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[05:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-6
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[06:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[07:22] <BubUK> good morning
[07:23] <PE2BZ> Good morning. Nice weather for indoor hobbies....
[07:25] <BubUK> yes. not too good. guess ill just have to spend some time getting my raspberry pi lora tracker working correctly !
[07:31] <PE2BZ> Running into problems with it ?
[07:34] <BubUK> yeah and no .... I'm using Dave A's excellent gateway/tracker on 2 rpis. All works fine. But, I want to be able to uplink back to the tracker from the ground as well as transmit from the tracker. I see that Dave had a modified version of his tracker but I don't think he released it for others to use.
[07:35] <PE2BZ> Ok. Indeed Dave has a version where 2 way communication was possible. #askdave ;-)
[07:35] <BubUK> yes. hoping he might help ;-)
[07:36] <BubUK> i made a 1/4 wave out of wire for the tracker. is there a better antenna for this ? surely 1/4 wave is a bit bulky ...
[07:37] <PE2BZ> Are you radio amateur or ¨just¨ a Habbyist ?
[07:38] <PE2BZ> I dont want to make a response more technical than necessary
[07:38] <BubUK> just a hobbyist. at the moment.
[07:38] <BubUK> hoping to join local ham club in York sop might change in the future!
[07:40] <PE2BZ> Ok. at the moment, gives promises ;-) 1/4 wave is good enough to send and receive. 1/4 wave with correct groundplane is better.
[07:41] <PE2BZ> Every change of antenna type also changes radiation pattern. Antennas with 12 dB gain (2 S points on a radio receiver) have about 45 degrees of radiation pattern. Omnidirectional have 0 dB gain, but don´t have to be pointed to a signal.
[07:41] <PE2BZ> afk for moment
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[08:07] <BubUK> just need something light and robust - 1/4 wave seems a bit fragile
[08:07] <PE2BZ> Are you planning to fly or at first RX at home ?
[08:09] <BubUK> rx at home first. need to know what i'm doing before i risk losing a balloon with a load of kit attached ;-(
[08:11] <PE2BZ> http://vk6ysf.com/435MHz_Ground_Plane_Antenna.htm is easy and stabile. But for RX there are a lot of options. Handy with cupper water pipes ? Make a J pole. Handy with electric installation wire ? Make a groundplane. 1 wire to the center of a N type chassis and 4 wires to the mounting screws. Can be done in 30 minutes ;-)
[08:12] <PE2BZ> And find some RG-213 or high grade satelliete coax and get the antenna up as high as possible, last week good results where achieved (arjunnah I thought) with a lora GP in the attic
[08:12] <PE2BZ> Lots of examples on the www http://jeroen.steeman.org/ADSB/J-Pole-vs-Quater-Wave
[08:15] <BubUK> brilliant, thnx
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[08:22] <BubUK> whats the best antenna to put on the balloon tracker ?
[08:26] <Darkside> usually a quarter wave monopole with ground radials
[08:26] <Darkside> certainly the easiest
[08:28] <number10> I also use 1/4 wave for listening in the garden most of the time and it works fine, as I putting up the collinear on a pole is a bit of a pain
[08:28] <BubUK> the images ive seen of balloon payloads don't seem to show 1/4 waves ? Unless I'm looking at the wrong ones
[08:28] <number10> most of them do
[08:29] <BubUK> i have 1/4 wave at both ends and seems to work fine in testing (on the ground)
[08:30] <number10> ther is a pic of one of rocketboys https://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/24028300279/in/dateposted/
[08:32] <BubUK> yes, i see, nice straw coverage ;-)
[08:35] <PE2BZ> BubUK 2 meter coax between the antenna and the PI, and the PI with SSH and network connection is also an option
[08:36] <BubUK> does anyone in the UK launch HABs in the North ? All the action is around Cambs !
[08:38] <BubUK> OMG. I was actually about to say 'what if it's more than 2 meters away' - I know ABSOLUTELY nothing !
[08:38] <mfa298> BubUK: I think the north get's harder as the airports get in the way but there have been a few
[08:39] <PE2BZ> BubUK but you are not afraid to ask :-)
[08:39] <BubUK> ill keep an eye out. I was more worried about the country being thinner and therefore the probability of it ending up in the North Sea was vastly increased!
[08:40] <BubUK> #keeplearning
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[08:41] <PE2BZ> But to add more input ;-) Antenna signal gets some loss in the cable. The higher the frequency, the bigger the signal loss for the same cable type. So, shorter cable = less loss. For 10 meter coax between the LoRa and the antenna RG-213 is recommended. with adapter to the tiny SMA connector on the LoRa tracker board.
[08:42] <mfa298> BubUK: that can also be an issue
[08:43] <BubUK> would RG6 work ?
[08:45] <PE2BZ> Loss at 100 ft at 400 MHZ 4.3 dB / for RX I would say, all ok
[08:45] <SIbot> In real units: 100 ft = 30 m
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[08:48] <BubUK> excellent. I've got a reel somewhere
[08:49] <PE2BZ> You can make a groundplane from the last 16 cm of the coax also. Remove the isolation for 16 cm. Split the shield over 16 cm in 4 (equal) parts and solder those 4 parts into 4 groundplanes. The core (about 16 cm) is your radiator.
[08:49] <PE2BZ> And now I am called for coffee :-) CU later
[08:50] <BubUK> culater.thanks.
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[08:57] <BubUK> could someone tell me which adaptor I need to connect my RG6 coax to a female sma socket. Obviously sma male on 1 end but I cant see the correct thing on ebay for the other.
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[09:02] <Darkside> RG6 is 75 ohm, so generally you're going to see F-type connectors
[09:03] <Darkside> so you will probably need to go from F-Type to BNC to SMA
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[09:16] <PE2BZ> Or if you want to invest in a crimp tool, http://www.ebay.com/itm/RP-SMA-Crimp-Plug-male-female-pin-connector-for-RG6-Coax-Cable-RF-Connector-/160556319729
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[09:20] <mfa298> I don't like the look of /RP-SMA in that url
[09:22] <PE2BZ> mfa298 good catch ! Me bad :=(
[09:23] <PE2BZ> BubUK not the right type in the link !
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[09:31] <gonzo__> put your habamp up near the antenns, you can get away with lossy cables/adaptors etc
[09:31] <gonzo__> but cannot tx with the lora of course
[09:31] <AndyEsser> BubUK / mfa298 silly airports :(
[09:31] <M0RJX> Upu, I have found another tille bug in the tracker and its to do with the ptheads overwiting the data. I'm going to make a doubly linked list or fifo buffer to handle the packets and then I think we should be there
[09:32] <AndyEsser> BubUK: I'm planning launches up here soon... but soon is relative and schedule to change
[09:32] <M0RJX> little
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[09:40] <PE2BZ> M0JRX any updates on the ¨receiving site¨ as far as you know ? Got some Curl errors on the screen some minutes ago.
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[09:42] <PE2BZ> However, windows ctrl-c for copy does not work all to good in a Linux SSH session....
[09:43] <AndyEsser> yea, don't do that...
[09:43] <PE2BZ> To late :-)
[09:43] <PE2BZ> All the evidence is gone now :-)
[09:43] <AndyEsser> heh
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[09:45] <BubUK> sorry, was afk. just catching up now
[09:46] <PE2BZ> My remote PITS is slow. After entering my login it takes 1 minute before my passwd is asked....
[09:46] <AndyEsser> if you ping it, what's the ping time?
[09:47] <PE2BZ> < 1ms
[09:48] <BubUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F-Type-Female-to-SMA-Male-Plug-Coaxial-Adapter-Connector-Silver-Tone-PK-/222138047879?hash=item33b8759d87:g:MakAAOSwnNBXT0AE
[09:48] <AndyEsser> when you finally manage to get onto it, run top and see what the CPU/RAM usage is
[09:48] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: when you say remote... <1ms is on an internal network, right?
[09:48] <PE2BZ> It´s running the tracker now, and with screen I had the filecopy running, but I want to grab a larger file
[09:48] <BubUK> and http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161901650824 would do the trick wouldnt it ?
[09:49] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser I am TeamViewer connected to my Windows at Work, there I use Putty so indeed the <1ms is internal
[09:50] <AndyEsser> ah
[09:50] <PE2BZ> And still no passwd asked....
[09:50] <AndyEsser> you really need to use SSH keys ;)
[09:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Why would you want to use F-type connectors ?
[09:52] <PE2BZ> BubUK that indeed would be the idea
[09:52] <BubUK> only because i dont know how to attach my coax to a male sma. is there a better way ?
[09:52] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser PI says I am wrong. I entered my passwd but it ¨waits¨ after the Last Login message....
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I may have missed something but can't see in the scrollback what, you can get SMA inline male as well as female connectors
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[09:54] <AndyEsser> You get the last login, but nothing after?
[09:54] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser I did stop the tracker on the other SSH window but then even TOP takes ages and (still) shows nothing.
[09:55] <AndyEsser> :(
[09:55] <AndyEsser> sudo reboot now :P
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[09:55] Action: PE2BZ is wondering why AndyEsser reboots highaltidude :-)
[09:56] <AndyEsser> I did have to check I was in the right window when I said that ;)
[09:56] <BubUK> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap yes, but that won't help me connect the end of a length of coax to an sma female
[09:56] <AndyEsser> use N-type connectors, then get single piece inline N-type <> SMA adapters
[09:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> hang-on back to the original question why use F-type they deigned for cheapest possible. What exactly are you trying to connect anyway ?
[09:58] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser it´s only up since last friday. I moved the PI and the Beaglebone to a standalone PSU. Had them powered from the Win machine, but after updates and reboots I had to restart the PI and beaglebone. However, the PI takes more then 4 minutes to appear online on the network after a reboot. And my PowerPI at home (for domoticz) goes offline and online when it likes (all network leds off) all after the latests update and
[09:58] <PE2BZ> upgrade....
[09:58] <AndyEsser> hmm
[09:58] <BubUK> an antenna via a length of coax to my rpi lora gateway
[09:58] <AndyEsser> 4 mins is excessive
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[09:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Then just a SMA Male at the rpi end is needed, what aerial and type of conenction does it have at the other end ?
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[10:00] <BubUK> nothing at the other end yet as i havent made it yet
[10:01] <AndyEsser> hmm, I should order some Pi's and have them up right with my antenna... run power over ethernet...
[10:01] <AndyEsser> but that means making my RTTY demod talk direct to the SDR dongle
[10:01] <BubUK> but i cant attach sma male to coax can i ?
[10:01] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser both top and the new session are still in deeeeeep sleep.
[10:01] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser and now I can no longer have him rebooted by rebooting the windows machine....
[10:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> of course you can attach an SMA Male (or female) direct to co-ax just a solderable or crimp type inline is needed
[10:01] <AndyEsser> BubUK: why not?
[10:02] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: :(
[10:02] <PE2BZ> We wait ....
[10:02] <BubUK> didn't think it was possible ...
[10:03] <PE2BZ> There are SMA crimp connectors for RG6 but my Ebay link named them RP (reversed polarity) and that is the Wifi antenna type, does not work on LoRa or SDR with SMA
[10:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I keep a stock of SMA's solderable inline all the time along with N-Types as they are my preffered connectors!
[10:03] <AndyEsser> I need to buy a bunch of N-types and a crimp tool
[10:03] <AndyEsser> my current antenna n-types were a bitch to solder
[10:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If its a thick cable always use N-type and then convert down to SMA after the N
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[10:04] <AndyEsser> RG6 is the really tiny thing stuff isn't it?
[10:05] <PE2BZ> Satellite Coax, double shielded
[10:05] <PE2BZ> 75 ohm but for RX no problem
[10:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> CATV cable not that thin
[10:06] <jarod> https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH430/abe47ad squawk 7700 and returning
[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=sma++rg6+connector&num=100&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK9cekodLOAhUqD8AKHe59DPAQsAQIPA&biw=1184&bih=795
[10:07] <mfa298> PE2BZ: long times to ssh in could be an issue with dns, ssh tends to do a reverse lookup that can take ages to timeout if dns isn't working. Also on the pi always chech the psu is good enough, some have been known to cause issues if not enough current
[10:08] <PE2BZ> mfa298 tnx for info. PSU has been replaced last friday to check. No difference. However the DNS settings could be the problem, however with DHCP at this momente I have the same problem.
[10:08] <AndyEsser> mfa298: DNS spec says that the longest a DNS query can take is 13 seconds
[10:08] Action: AndyEsser hates that he knows this...
[10:10] <mfa298> AndyEsser: I've often seen SSH hang for ~60 seconds due to dns.
[10:10] Action: PE2BZ is happy with all the collected knowledge in this place
[10:10] <mfa298> I'd imagine it's doing several attempts which all fail
[10:10] <PE2BZ> I am waiting for 20 minutes now !
[10:11] <AndyEsser> mayhaps lets all disabled the rDNS lookup in our sshd :)
[10:11] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: open a new terminal and see how it behaves?
[10:11] <PE2BZ> df -h
[10:11] <mfa298> there is an sshd option to stop that lookup.
[10:11] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: also, check disk space when you get onto it
[10:11] <AndyEsser> err..
[10:11] <AndyEsser> nvm
[10:11] <AndyEsser> :)
[10:11] <mfa298> 20 minutes to log in sounds like something else (I'd guess either load or bad psu)
[10:12] <PE2BZ> Even df -h does not respond
[10:12] <PE2BZ> Only to ctrl c
[10:12] <AndyEsser> if ctrl+c is working
[10:12] <AndyEsser> but df isn't
[10:12] <AndyEsser> I think you may have an issue in your file system
[10:14] Action: PE2BZ is not happy
[10:17] Action: PE2BZ is looking for a HDMI to DVI cable to take to work tomorrow. USB keyboard is available
[10:50] <AndyEsser> anyone got an FT817?
[10:57] <mfa298> there's a few of us with them
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[11:05] <AndyEsser> mfa298: do you have rough dimensions for it? the yaesu website doesn't seem to have them :(
[11:06] <AndyEsser> Despite its incredibly small size (5.3" x 1.5" x 6.5")
[11:06] <AndyEsser> err... nvm
[11:06] <AndyEsser> :)
[11:06] <arjunnaha> PE2BZ: Wasn't quite with LoRa, I was receiving RTTY from the attic
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[11:08] <mfa298> AndyEsser: I think that 6.5 is probably only the main body so add some for connectors
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[11:09] Action: mfa298 tries to do inches to mm in his head
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[11:10] <AndyEsser> mfa298: heh, I did it here using a calculator
[11:10] <AndyEsser> http://cpc.farnell.com/unbranded/max300s-079/waterproof-case-336x300x148-black/dp/SG33338
[11:10] <mfa298> the full depth including knobs and connector is more like 200mm (then add more to actually plug things in)
[11:10] <AndyEsser> going to grab one of these, I think
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[11:12] <mfa298> I've got an old camera bag that works quite well for the 817 and bits, although needs some unpacking to use.
[11:13] <AndyEsser> Yea, this isn't so much a place to use it from, more for transport with a bit of wiggle room for cables
[11:13] <AndyEsser> I'm looking at mounting it in within the center console of my car when I get it
[11:13] <AndyEsser> but 'easy' enough to remove if I want (like 4 screws or something)
[11:14] <mfa298> the camera bag seems to be a perfect fit for the 817, an sla and some cables
[11:16] <AndyEsser> need to work out where to mount a magmount antenna...
[11:16] <AndyEsser> :P
[11:16] <AndyEsser> http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=66c6c5dcfab3461d98b4f95287abf3c4
[11:16] <AndyEsser> back centre of the cab I'm thinking
[11:17] Action: udat wants your wheels
[11:17] <mfa298> might end up depending on how many antennas you end up wanting to mount
[11:17] <AndyEsser> udat: haven't bought it yet
[11:17] <AndyEsser> although it looks suspiciously like the owner lives on the same estate as my brother, which makes life easier
[11:17] <AndyEsser> mfa298: thinking HF/UHF/VHF...
[11:17] <AndyEsser> ha
[11:18] <udat> i drive about once a fortnight so cant really justify upgrading my 15 year old rusting mundaneo :|
[11:18] <AndyEsser> 2m/70cms definitely
[11:18] <mfa298> 3G 868 ...
[11:18] <AndyEsser> I suspect I should look at an 868 as well
[11:18] <AndyEsser> if I want to do more lora
[11:18] <AndyEsser> s/more/any
[11:19] <AndyEsser> my car is going to look like a mobile surveillance van...
[11:19] <mfa298> you could also do ukhasnet although less success with balloons there
[11:19] <AndyEsser> mfa298: had thought about a Diamond Colinear which I could deploy from the back :P
[11:19] <AndyEsser> mfa298: yea, a ukhasnet node would be useful as well
[11:19] <AndyEsser> (Ticks box to say car has Tracker when getting insurance)
[11:19] <AndyEsser> :P
[11:19] <udat> lol
[11:19] <mfa298> lol
[11:20] <AndyEsser> not sure that's quite what they have in mind :P
[11:21] <udat> back when i had a nice car needed a tracker in it, wasn't a great design though, figured out how to monitor every other tracker owner in the country
[11:22] <udat> not great for a security device on expensive motors :)
[11:23] <AndyEsser> ouch
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[11:23] <AndyEsser> yea, my last company used a company called Crystal Ball for tracking
[11:23] <AndyEsser> never spent any time, but imagine it just POSTs to a web api, not sure how secure reading it back is
[11:24] <udat> was 12 or so years ago, they tracked/controlled via sms messages
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[11:25] <udat> figured out what my trackers number was and talked engineer fixing it out of some codes for tracking/controll
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[11:25] <AndyEsser> lol
[11:25] <udat> but their telephone number allocation left a lot to be desired....
[11:25] <udat> :)
[11:26] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser hwo about a HD camera on the roof for the live launch streams ?
[11:27] <PE2BZ> I would add an hydraulic mast at the back of the car ;-)
[11:27] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: don't - I was thinking of truss along one side the back tray, with an antenna that extended, which winched up...
[11:28] <AndyEsser> and a temporary camera can be sorted for launches
[11:28] <AndyEsser> but the new place I'm planning on launching from, is a mates house + garden... so good wifi and network access for livestreams
[11:28] <PE2BZ> And not allowed to park your car in his backyard ;-)
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[11:29] <AndyEsser> lol, he's absolutely fine with that - given it has 2 buggered land rovers already in there ;)
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0SBU-12 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-12
[11:29] <PE2BZ> My PI@work is still asleep
[11:29] <PE2BZ> Terribly busy doing nothing.
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[11:29] <PE2BZ> What´s my escape....
[11:29] <AndyEsser> move to windows
[11:29] <AndyEsser> much more stable
[11:29] <AndyEsser> :P
[11:29] <PE2BZ> :-(
[11:30] <PE2BZ> My house has Windows :-)
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[11:30] <PE2BZ> Wait....
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[11:32] <PE2BZ> Once upon a while I had Webmin installed :-)
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[11:32] <PE2BZ> System uptime 1 days, 22 hours, 01 minutes
[11:32] <PE2BZ> Running processes 145
[11:32] <PE2BZ> CPU load averages 0.00 (1 min) 0.00 (5 mins) 0.00 (15 mins)
[11:32] <PE2BZ> CPU usage 0% user, 0% kernel, 0% IO, 99% idle
[11:32] <PE2BZ> Real memory 217.95 MB used, 862.10 MB total
[11:32] <PE2BZ> Virtual memory 0 bytes used, 100 MB total
[11:33] <PE2BZ> Local disk space 5.30 GB used, 14.58 GB total
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[11:33] <PE2BZ> Package updates 4 package updates are available
[11:33] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser so, it´s busy doing nothing.... Looks like a normal working day :-)
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[11:36] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: ha
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[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL6JOS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL6JOS-11
[11:44] <jakeio> These are the correct Lithium Energizer batteries aren't they? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Energizer-Ultimate-639155-Lithium-Batteries-Grey/dp/B000IWW1G6 I know it's a silly question but there are several versions with differing product codes, however, they all seem to link the same datasheet!
[11:45] <craag> those are the ones jakeio
[11:46] <jakeio> Thank you! And excuse my silliness!
[11:47] <craag> no silliness at all, always good to check :)
[11:49] <jakeio> Oh, also, craag, I wanted to clarify, in this log http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20160802.html you said you could rely on the pi's regulators to not use a regulated line? I just wanted to query this before I buy a buck converter.
[11:52] <jakeio> I'll probably still get a buck converter because it'll help prevent other problems I could create by using an unregulated line :D
[11:58] <craag> The pi a+,b+ can take 3x AA on the 5v gpio line
[11:59] <craag> all the important bits on the Pi use 3.3V, which is internally regulated from the 5v line
[12:00] <craag> lithium batteries maintain ~1.4V per cell for nearly all of their life, which gives the 3.3V regulator enough to maintain regulation
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[12:06] <PE2BZ> PuTTY is not smart.... sudo reboot. Plong.... the server disconnected unexpectedly.
[12:06] <fsphil> the older Pi's used a pretty horrible vreg to get 3.3v from the 5v line. for those the regulator was often removed and the 3.3v fed in directly
[12:07] <jakeio> Does the zero still use that regulator?
[12:07] <jakeio> I assume not.
[12:07] <craag> zero uses the + regulator
[12:07] <fsphil> I don't think it's been used since the original versions
[12:07] <mfa298> PE2BZ: as far as putty is concerned the server did disconnect unexpectedly
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[12:08] <craag> I've done a couple of flights now with 3x lithium -> pi zero
[12:09] <craag> Will have to get a new one for next time however: https://twitter.com/philcrump2/status/763447805600038913
[12:09] <PE2BZ> mfa298 ;-) but Putty told it to reboot .... Now find the log of the fsck results....
[12:09] <fsphil> a bit of flux, some scrubbing, that'll be good as new :)
[12:09] <PE2BZ> craag did you find time to add the images to an album allready ?
[12:10] <jakeio> craag, what happened there!?
[12:10] <mfa298> PE2BZ: putty didn't your session over putty did. Or do you like your programs interpreting (or as some would call it snooping) on what your typing
[12:10] <PE2BZ> fsphil he could complain about the quality of the sea water :-)
[12:11] <craag> PE2BZ: https://www.flickr.com/photos/philcrump2/albums/72157672449875836
[12:11] <mfa298> PE2BZ: I regularly have putty sessions where I ssh onwards and might do a shutdown / reboot on something else. in that case the session doesn't close
[12:11] <craag> jakeio: Landed in the sea, recovered on a dutch beach 4 days later
[12:11] <PE2BZ> mfa298 I do understand. Was trying to joke :-
[12:11] <jakeio> Wow, that's fantastic.
[12:12] <craag> Dutch family on holiday found it and posted it back to me :D
[12:12] <PE2BZ> craag great !!
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[12:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah yes the one that came close to the boat! https://www.flickr.com/photos/philcrump2/28408066884/in/album-72157672449875836/
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[12:17] <craag> :)
[12:18] <craag> There were a fair few boats pictured - but being ~8pm in the evening most came out very blurred
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[12:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030528780207_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0528780207_chase
[12:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03027042570911_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=027042570911_chase
[12:51] <Upu> HEY M0RJX sure will be tommorrow at the earliest
[12:52] <AndyEsser> any bash experts here?
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> I have bashed.
[12:56] <AndyEsser> I'm running git ls-remote <url>
[12:56] <AndyEsser> and it outputs a line per branch
[12:56] <AndyEsser> with <commit> <name>
[12:56] <AndyEsser> I basically just want the <name> bit
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> Is it whitespace seperated?
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> with no internal whitespaces?
[12:57] <AndyEsser> looks to be a tab
[12:57] <AndyEsser> and yes, neither column should have spaces in
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> Look at man bash - search for ## and %%
[12:58] <AndyEsser> ta
[12:58] <AndyEsser> heheh.. man bash
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> Remove matching prefix pattern.
[12:59] <zyp> | awk '{ print $2 }'
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> Or just 'read' - into the appropriate variables.
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> And yes, awk '$0=$2' will work too.
[13:00] <AndyEsser> zyp: worked perfectly, ta
[13:00] <lz1dev> just do | cut -f2
[13:00] <lz1dev> ?
[13:00] <AndyEsser> o god... too many ways! :P
[13:00] <AndyEsser> and now to write to a file
[13:00] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[13:00] <AndyEsser> I guess this sort of stuff is why people like scripting languages
[13:01] <lz1dev> git ls-remote <url> | cut -f2
[13:04] <AndyEsser> thanks all
[13:04] <AndyEsser> all sorted :)
[13:04] <lz1dev> all | sort
[13:05] <AndyEsser> lol
[13:05] <AndyEsser> geek
[13:05] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:06] <AndyEsser> hmm, gah... the next step wants the file in a different format
[13:06] <AndyEsser> yippee
[13:08] <AndyEsser> lz1dev: if I want to not have it on each line, but comma delimited - is there a magical one-liner for that? :)
[13:08] <lz1dev> cut -d',' -f2
[13:09] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser MFA298 the Domoticz Pi is up and running again. After connecting the keyboard the PI rebooted. This one indeed sufferered from a CE power supply
[13:09] <AndyEsser> lz1dev: ta
[13:10] <AndyEsser> lz1dev: o no, sorry, the delimiter isn't the ,
[13:10] <mfa298> AndyEsser: if it's running one command with lots of lines of input xargs might do it
[13:10] <lz1dev> cat homework.txt | google > answers.txt
[13:11] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:11] <AndyEsser> lz1dev: sorry for the n00b questions
[13:12] <AndyEsser> my google fu always fails me with ash
[13:12] <AndyEsser> bash*
[13:12] <AndyEsser> http://pastebin.com/c0y9pgKB
[13:12] <AndyEsser> this is basically what I want to achieve
[13:12] <mfa298> dog < homework > excuse
[13:12] <AndyEsser> haha
[13:12] <AndyEsser> I wish I'd ever had homework for bash
[13:13] <PE2BZ> those CP/m days :-)
[13:14] <lz1dev> AndyEsser: append | tr '\n' ','
[13:16] <AndyEsser> lz1dev: ta
[13:17] <mfa298> I didn't think of tr, I got close with xargs but couldn't see how to specify output seperator
[13:17] <AndyEsser> http://pastebin.com/JJMhZbV8
[13:17] <AndyEsser> so close
[13:17] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[13:18] <mfa298> you might be able to do more in the awk line
[13:19] <lz1dev> what is branch=... for ?
[13:19] <AndyEsser> lz1dev: makes it a key/value pair
[13:19] <AndyEsser> which is what I need it as
[13:19] <AndyEsser> key=value1,value2,value3 etc
[13:21] <mfa298> awk '{printf "%s,", $2}' gives HEAD,refs/heads/development,
[13:21] <AndyEsser> mfa298: could I potentially do
[13:21] <AndyEsser> printf "branch=%s,", $2 then?
[13:22] <mfa298> I'm sure you can do more of the processing in awk but you might need more of an awk script using BEGIN and END clauses
[13:22] <lz1dev> echo "branch=`git ls-remote ... | cut -f2 | tr '\n' ','`"
[13:22] <mfa298> that will give branch=HEAD,branch=refs....
[13:23] <mfa298> the printf is done per line in awk like that (it just means you can get rid of the newline at the end
[13:26] <AndyEsser> cheers
[13:26] <mfa298> AndyEsser: there looks to be a few options in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8714355/bash-turning-multi-line-string-into-single-comma-separated
[13:26] <AndyEsser> perfect :)
[13:26] <AndyEsser> echo "branch=`git ls-remote git@bitbucket.org:ompio-dev/authentication-server.git | cut -f2 | tr '\n' ','`" > /data/branch_auth-server
[13:26] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:27] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/a/lG7xQ
[13:27] <AndyEsser> gives me that :)
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[13:28] <mfa298> single awk: awk ' { if($2 != "") { if(NR==1) { printf "branch=%s", $2 } else { printf "," $2 } } } END { printf "\n"}'
[13:30] <mfa298> and you don't need the END bit if you don't need the newline
[13:30] <AndyEsser> cheers :)
[13:31] <mfa298> as with all such things there are probably at least people*2 solutions for the problem
[13:31] <AndyEsser> heh
[13:31] <AndyEsser> yea
[13:31] <mfa298> awk can be quite useful when you get to know it
[13:32] <AndyEsser> is there a way to also add it that it removes the refs/heads bit?
[13:32] <AndyEsser> yea, awk seems amazingly powerful
[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1YIP-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1YIP-11
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[13:37] <AndyEsser> woo! :)
[13:37] <AndyEsser> can now run jenkins jobs against any service, for any branch available :)
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[15:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KV7VGJ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KV7VGJ
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[15:56] <jakeio> 868MHz antenna radials and radiating elements should be about 86mm shouldn't they?
[15:57] <Vaizki> no :)
[15:58] <craag> speed of light in a wire is 4% slower, so 1/4 wave comes out as 82mm
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[16:00] <jakeio> Oh. OK. I was just using the full speed... Thanks.
[16:02] <N2NXZ> Anyone know about a large HAB over NY?Spotted the large Project Loon like balloon by eye and using my telescope it looked very much like the balloons used by Google.
[16:03] <N2NXZ> It looked like a panet above my house during daytime.
[16:03] <N2NXZ> planet
[16:04] <N2NXZ> https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/balloon#ab60620 nothing seen here over my location in New York
[16:05] <N2NXZ> If anyone knows anything,drop me a note - wtfbsyt@gmail.com,I have a photo.
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[16:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI7CUX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7CUX_chase
[16:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AE0SS-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AE0SS-12
[16:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0BMV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0BMV-11
[16:47] <PE2BZ> N2NXZ Can you share the photo perhaps ?
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[17:09] <jakeio> Will it matter if one of my radiating elements is about 80-81mm long and not 82?
[17:09] <PE2BZ> No. Not that you will notice.
[17:09] <jakeio> OK, didn't think such a small error would matter. Thanks again PE2BZ.
[17:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-7
[17:10] <PE2BZ> To be more complete: I assume you are making a groundplane, with 1 radiator and some reflectors ?
[17:11] <jakeio> Yup.
[17:11] <PE2BZ> And now one of the reflectors is a little shorter ?
[17:11] <jakeio> Yeah, just about 1-2mm too short.
[17:11] <PE2BZ> That´s no problem
[17:12] <jakeio> Thanks!
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[17:28] <mfa298> jakeio: beign out by a few mm probably wont make that much difference
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[17:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N7SEC-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N7SEC-1
[17:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-8
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[19:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AFB_STN after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AFB_STN
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[19:52] <edmoore> anyone with opinions of best compact waterpprof binoculars for <£100?
[19:53] <edmoore> for sailing and hiking
[19:54] <Vaizki> <100 is a bit difficult as you'd probably want roof prism etc
[19:55] <Vaizki> I have Nikon 8x42s myself
[19:57] <Vaizki> monarch ... Seem to be £220 or so sorry
[19:59] <Vaizki> Maybe TS-Optics 8x42 from Germany .. they usually have good binos, I have some 10x50 marine porros from them
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[20:03] <edmoore> thanks Vaizki
[20:04] <Vaizki> http://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/product_info.php/language/en/info/p1870_Adventure-8x42---WW-Dachkant---wasserdicht---phasenkorrigiert.html
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[20:09] <Vaizki> I might order a pair myself...
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[20:19] <edmoore> they are moderately large for my
[20:19] <edmoore> i'm thinking more 300g
[20:19] <edmoore> hand luggage etc
[20:19] <Rebounder> i have a nice pair.. cehking...
[20:20] <edmoore> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-Travelite-EX-8x25-Binoculars/dp/B000FFP14K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471810800&sr=8-1&keywords=nikon+travelite+ex
[20:20] <edmoore> these seem well reviewed
[20:20] <edmoore> and just, just inside the budget
[20:23] <Rebounder> https://www.amazon.com/Konica-Minolta-Water-Resistant-Binoculars/product-reviews/B00008X2GG
[20:28] <edmoore> can't find it for sale
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[22:10] <bertrik> can someone give me some advice on building a HAB LoRa receiver?
[22:12] <Rebounder> dave have som docs maybe?
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