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[05:45] <Upu> getting pips on 434.612
[05:45] <Upu> 3 short one long
[05:45] <Upu> 2 short 1 long
[05:45] <Upu> 1 short 1 long
[05:48] <Upu> loads of pips no data though
[05:51] <Upu> http://imgur.com/HgjzDxp
[05:52] <PE2BZ> Good morning. Nice on frequency that would be. any clue on the location ?
[05:53] <PE2BZ> M0RJX adamgreig both thanks for your effort and energy for the LoRa upload packets !
[05:53] <Upu> none but within range of me
[05:53] <Upu> and it looks strong so over the North Sea
[05:54] <PE2BZ> no pips on my waterfall yet...
[05:58] <Upu> 10 short with 1 long
[05:58] <Vaizki> hmm what flight is that? or you don't know?
[05:59] <Upu> UBSEDS18 I think possibly powering up
[05:59] <Upu> richardeoin should be able to confirm may tx's pops before engaging the GPS
[05:59] <Upu> letting battery charge?
[05:59] <Upu> anyway need to walk dog back soon
[06:00] <PE2BZ> We have major conditions between NL and UK on 70 cm at the moment
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[06:20] <Upu> still pips heading to work
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[06:49] <Upu> $$UBSEDS18,00:00:01,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,1.82,-36.1
[06:50] <Upu> its awake
[06:50] <Upu> $$UBSEDS18,00:00:01,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,1.83,-37.7,128.0,0,0*C5F5
[06:50] <richardeoin> morning
[06:50] <Upu> morning
[06:50] <richardeoin> yh it's having a bad time waking up
[06:50] <richardeoin> bit like me
[06:50] <Upu> lol
[06:51] <richardeoin> shame we lost the decent tracker on Sunday, this one is a bodge in comparison
[06:51] <PE2BZ> O what a beautiful morning, o what a beauttiful day ;-)
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[06:55] <Upu> $$UBSEDS18,00:00:01,000000,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,1.84,-33.6,128.0,0,0*6ABF
[06:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS18 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[06:59] <PE2BZ> Nice one ! It´s alive again.
[07:03] <Upu> flight doc needs extending
[07:04] <richardeoin> okay, looks like it needs 18 degrees of solar elevation to get started
[07:04] <richardeoin> no too bad
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[07:26] <fsphil> ooh still in range
[07:31] <fsphil> !dial UBSEDS18
[07:31] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS18 10(64a5): 03434.6116 MHz, 434.61128 MHz, 434.611518 MHz, 434.6105 MHz, 434.611 MHz, 434.6115 MHz
[07:33] <Upu> in no hurry
[07:34] <fsphil> my yagi is pointing the wrong way, unlikely I'll hear it
[07:35] <AndyEsser> morning
[07:35] <AndyEsser> fsphil: manual rotation required :P
[07:36] <fsphil> indeed, but it's 1km away :)
[07:38] <AndyEsser> nice morning jog
[07:39] <fsphil> or stop making excuses and get the colinear up
[07:39] <AndyEsser> Sounds like a job for this morning :)
[07:40] <fsphil> raining and windy here :p
[07:40] <fsphil> must get it done before winter
[07:40] <fsphil> winter is coming
[07:40] <AndyEsser> more excuses....
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[07:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-17 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
[07:57] <M0RJX> I think I have found the problem with the lora-gw not sending packets to habhub properly
[07:58] <M0RJX> Its to do with threading and using the curl_easy_init(); function in the thread.
[07:58] <fsphil> couchdb is a bit naff?
[07:58] <M0RJX> If you did not already call curl_global_init, curl_easy_init does it automatically. This may be lethal in multi-threaded cases, since curl_global_init is not thread-safe, and it may result in resource problems because there is no corresponding cleanup.
[07:59] <AndyEsser> fsphil: it's fine
[08:01] <M0RJX> The basic rule for constructing a program that uses libcurl is this: Call curl_global_init, with a CURL_GLOBAL_ALL argument, immediately after the program starts, while it is still only one thread and before it uses libcurl at all. Call curl_global_cleanup immediately before the program exits, when the program is again only one thread and after its last use of libcurl.
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[08:02] <M0RJX> I'm no expert on threads but I'm pretty sure we're not doing this in the code.
[08:02] <fsphil> M0RJX: not that you mention it, I see several calls to curl_global_init() in the code. there should only be one in main()
[08:02] <fsphil> now that*
[08:03] <M0RJX> fsphil, I dont thinks so I sent 10000 packets of data spaced by 10ms and everyone was dealt with by chouch just fine
[08:03] <M0RJX> chouchDB
[08:04] <M0RJX> humm CouchDB !!!
[08:04] <fsphil> yeah that one :)
[08:05] <M0RJX> When I looked at the code it should log failures to upload and that wasn't happening. So then I wondered if the thread was a problem. Buy the pi handle threads well so I looked at curl and threading and I think this is the problem
[08:05] <M0RJX> Buy = but
[08:06] <M0RJX> next is to try to do the init before the threads are created :-)
[08:07] <mfa298> from memory I think the threads in lora-gw were added fairly recently to cope with the faster packet rate from the balloons.
[08:07] <M0RJX> That explains the code too. It seemed to have replication in there
[08:07] <mfa298> could be interesting to know if the issue existed before that change
[08:07] <M0RJX> A thread and non thread versions
[08:08] <M0RJX> Does anyone rememeber not getting packets uploaded to habhub before then
[08:09] <M0RJX> I uploaded the rest of my packets for NAILBRUSH last night from the lora-gw logfile and every one was accepted with 10ms between packets but no threads.
[08:10] <mfa298> some people did have issues uploading before, but that was more that the http request took longer to submit than it took for the next packet to arrive
[08:11] <mfa298> although I wonder if that was also masking this issue
[08:11] <fsphil> the other threads calling curl_global_init() could possibly be killing other active requests
[08:11] <M0RJX> Yep in a bad way as they are not reported
[08:11] <fsphil> I'd increase the curl timeout too, 5 seconds is too quick
[08:12] <M0RJX> The code is there to catch errors but its not been executed
[08:12] <AndyEsser> lol
[08:12] <AndyEsser> "We have too much process"
[08:12] <AndyEsser> "Just throw some threads at it"
[08:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0SBU-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0SBU-12
[08:13] <M0RJX> We never get time out errors. I'm going to create a random backoff timer that will try a few times to post the data before failing too
[08:13] <fsphil> threads everything solve
[08:13] <AndyEsser> :)
[08:13] <M0RJX> very good fsphil
[08:13] <mfa298> at least it's C so it's real threads. ruby (and I think python) do their own locking internally so threads don't always speed things up.
[08:14] <AndyEsser> mfa298: threads will never "just speed things up", you know this
[08:14] <AndyEsser> tsk tsk
[08:16] <mfa298> well for ruby (and I think python) there more for convenience (I want to do these thigns in parallel) rather than making use of all the hardware.
[08:17] <mfa298> which is annoying when you want to use them to make use of the hardware
[08:17] Action: AndyEsser sits smugly in his C/C++ world
[08:17] <fsphil> handy for waiting on things that block
[08:17] <AndyEsser> then remembers he's currently paid to write Go and weeps
[08:18] <daey> you are writing a Go engine?
[08:18] <fsphil> that bad huh?
[08:19] <mfa298> the times that I write ruby code I feel that I don't add features any faster than using C/C++ but my lines of code/hour drops substantually.
[08:19] <M0RJX> So should I hack the code to post a load of sentances and see whats happing or do I make the curl stuff global and call curl init at the beginning ?
[08:19] <mfa298> probably as I have to read the manual more for ruby.
[08:20] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I hate it
[08:20] <daey> you should be significantly faster o0
[08:20] <fsphil> M0RJX: as a first step anyway I'd get rid of all the curl_global_init()'s, and just have the one at the top of main()
[08:21] <M0RJX> !last daveache
[08:21] <M0RJX> RIght I'm on with it
[08:21] <gonzo_> is that what Julie gets?
[08:21] <M0RJX> Hopefully this solves the problems :-)
[08:22] <fsphil> gonzo_: hah
[08:22] <AndyEsser> fsphil: C or C++ this code is?
[08:22] <fsphil> AndyEsser: the gateway is C
[08:22] <AndyEsser> ah... nvm then
[08:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03POKE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=POKE
[08:26] <fsphil> POKE 53280,0
[08:28] <PE2BZ> That´s C64 code
[08:28] <AndyEsser> I really need to try and find an old Atari or C64 or something
[08:28] <AndyEsser> I missed out on programming those :(
[08:29] <PE2BZ> With a tape recorder :-)
[08:30] <fsphil> and the loading music
[08:31] <fsphil> I love that there are still people making and selling c64/amiga games
[08:33] <Vaizki> Hnbghhh win10 autorebooted at home it seems
[08:34] <fsphil> for your own protection
[08:34] <Vaizki> it's the only thing that pisses me off about win10 atm
[08:34] <PE2BZ> In my early years (that would be about 35 years ago) we wrote software and build a hardware decoder for the Deutsche Presse Agentur images send at the longwave. The software did run on the Atari ST. The colour images where sent 3 times (C, M Y if I am right) and we even managed to get those 3 combined to a nice colour image. Those where the days :-)
[08:34] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I Was working on a SNES emulator in Javascript the other year
[08:35] <Vaizki> I love the i386 simulator done in JS
[08:35] <fsphil> I thinkered with a 6510 + VIC chip emulator. got the c64 boot screen but didn't go further with it
[08:35] <fsphil> the world has enough c64 emulators already :)
[08:36] <AndyEsser> I should go back to it sometime
[08:36] <Vaizki> http://bellard.org/jslinux/
[08:36] <AndyEsser> https://github.com/AndyEsser/nesjs
[08:36] <Vaizki> doesn't boot on my iPhone :(
[08:36] <AndyEsser> o god... 2 years ago
[08:37] <AndyEsser> *shudder*
[08:37] <AndyEsser> not going to look at the code...
[08:37] <AndyEsser> it'll probably upset me
[08:40] <mfa298> Vaizki: pro or home for your win10 (pro you can tell it to ask you before reboot)
[08:42] <mfa298> failing that I've got an unused xp pro cd+license
[08:42] Action: mfa298 ponders whether he should take it to a ham rally and auction it off. Probably lots of interested buyers there!
[08:44] Action: gonzo_ hides face
[08:44] <fsphil> I found some Win3.11 floppies a few days ago...
[08:47] <gonzo_> they would be quite vfloppy by now
[08:49] <M0RJX> fsphil, thing on a spring :-)
[08:50] <Vaizki> mfa298, win10home on that machine unfortunately :(
[08:52] <arjunnaha> How well would I be able to track Steve's flights with an X50 in a new build attic, from the Reading area?
[08:54] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: should be doable
[08:54] <AndyEsser> might have to wait until it reaches a decent altitude
[08:55] <AndyEsser> I've tracked Cambridge flights from Chester with an X50 on the back of my house
[08:55] <arjunnaha> I'm excited lol, tried but never successful in trying to track flights.
[08:56] <AndyEsser> the roof gets in the way for a bit, but at about 10km altitude I start to pick them up
[08:56] <AndyEsser> and from Dave's launches I get them from about 5km but noisey
[08:57] <arjunnaha> I'll have to see in a few hours!
[08:57] <AndyEsser> good luck :)
[08:57] <AndyEsser> is the antenna already installed?
[08:58] <arjunnaha> Not yet, will do in 10 minutes
[08:58] <AndyEsser> make sure you test trying to receive something first, whilst not designed for it - should be able to pick up some FM radio stations
[08:58] <AndyEsser> or a 434 repeater if there's one not too far away
[08:59] <arjunnaha> I need to look for some 434 repeaters in my area
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[08:59] <arjunnaha> I think there's one not too far away
[08:59] <Vaizki> or APRS bursts on 144.800
[09:00] <arjunnaha> I'll try an FM first, because you can see how strong it is, by listening to it :)
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[09:03] <mfa298> arjunnaha: https://www.ukrepeater.net/ has the list of all repeaters and details
[09:03] <mfa298> although you might have to wait ~15 mins for a short ident
[09:03] <arjunnaha> Ah great, thanks
[09:03] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: just bear in mind that the X50 is good for 137~
[09:03] <AndyEsser> not for 88-100
[09:03] <AndyEsser> so whilst it should work, you might not get the strongest signals
[09:04] <mfa298> aprs can be quite a good test, especially if you've got something setup to decode it (although it takes some reading of the packets to see who you received from directly)
[09:04] <Vaizki> you can get broadcast fm with almost anything...
[09:04] <arjunnaha> When it was mounted at school, I could pick up London stations pretty well
[09:04] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: it was merely an addendum ;)
[09:04] <mfa298> depending on gardent
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[09:05] <mfa298> depending on garden putting the x50 outside on some poles might be a bit better than in the loft
[09:05] <mfa298> although if loft works it can be a bit more permanent
[09:06] <AndyEsser> yea, my X50 is on a 3m length of 40x40mm wood, cable tied to a pipe from the boiler on the side of the house
[09:06] <AndyEsser> then a 2m pvc pipe
[09:06] <AndyEsser> and mounted on that
[09:06] <AndyEsser> :)
[09:06] <arjunnaha> Only pole I have a 5m flexible one, I have tried to use the X50 with it before, but it's really unsteady
[09:06] <Vaizki> my x50 is at the end of a telescopic tree cutting tool pole right now :)
[09:07] <Vaizki> on my upstairs balcony so it goes well above the roofline
[09:07] <arjunnaha> #WhereDoYouMountYourX50
[09:08] <AndyEsser> I want to get a bit of 2m triangular ally truss
[09:08] <AndyEsser> have the x50 on one part
[09:08] <AndyEsser> QFH on another
[09:08] <AndyEsser> and a 434 and 868 yagi on the other pointing SE
[09:08] <AndyEsser> then mount that to the chimney
[09:09] <Vaizki> http://www.fiskars.co.uk/Products/gardening/Multi-head-Tool-System/Shafts.-Handles-Adapters/fiskars-telescopic-graphite-shaft-1000665
[09:09] <Vaizki> one of these
[09:09] <gonzo_> how well do you trust (pun?) the mortar on the chimney?
[09:09] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: been there a while
[09:09] <AndyEsser> doesn't seem to be going anywhere ;)
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[09:09] <gonzo_> at vthe mo
[09:09] <Vaizki> I would put a band around..
[09:10] <AndyEsser> failing that, I'll most likely stick the truss on top of some scaff
[09:10] <Vaizki> the chimney that is.. and mount to band.. but just me
[09:10] <AndyEsser> bolted to the side of th house
[09:10] <mfa298> just don't follow the guidance from the site posted last time this was discussed
[09:10] <AndyEsser> before doing that though, should check with my landlord :(
[09:12] <arjunnaha> mfa298: What was that guidance saying lol
[09:12] <mfa298> arjunnaha: was a site showing many bodged tv antenna installs
[09:12] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser before checking check your insurance. If it covers damage to people and goods for damage from your antenna installation it will be much easier to convince him.
[09:12] <gonzo_> may be worth checking what roof tiles you have, they may be rf tranmsparent-ish
[09:13] <gonzo_> (and test in rain)
[09:13] <mfa298> arjunnaha: http://www.aerialsandtv.com/cowboyslocker.html
[09:14] <arjunnaha> haha, I think I've seen that before
[09:14] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: me or arjunnaha ?
[09:14] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: wish insurance?
[09:14] <AndyEsser> as I'm not a home owner, I only have contents insurance
[09:15] <arjunnaha> What's a sub £100 mast suitable for mounting to a wall?
[09:15] <PE2BZ> For damage to others property ? How do they call that in UK ?
[09:15] <gonzo_> AndyEsser, anyone actually.
[09:15] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: I don't have insurance for damaging someone elses propetty
[09:15] <AndyEsser> property*
[09:15] <AndyEsser> my company has public liability insurance, so as long as I wangle it as a business thing, at least I'm covered if it kills someone...
[09:16] <AndyEsser> up to £10 million
[09:16] <gonzo_> occupiers liability would cover breaking the hosue
[09:16] <gonzo_> 3rd party liability would cover dropping a mast on a passer by
[09:16] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: but that's going to home insurance, not contents insurance
[09:16] <AndyEsser> to be*
[09:17] <PE2BZ> Ok. legal liability insurance over here has a separate part for damage to others (and property) for something that comes of your house
[09:17] <AndyEsser> if it was part of the house falling and damaging/hurting someone
[09:17] <AndyEsser> I would expect that would come until home insurance
[09:17] <gonzo_> if the building gets flooded, that would be the landlords ins. But if you break the house, that would be your ins
[09:17] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: but tenants typically only have contents insurance, ie against theft/fire etc
[09:18] <AndyEsser> anyway
[09:18] <AndyEsser> will have convo with landlord before drilling big holes int he walles ;)
[09:18] <AndyEsser> omg
[09:18] <AndyEsser> typing...
[09:18] <gonzo_> hmmm, your mast, on their house... Expect a big argument from the companies
[09:19] <AndyEsser> The mast and the property count as business - so I'd throw it under one of the... like 5 insurances the company has
[09:19] <AndyEsser> ha
[09:19] <AndyEsser> anyway...
[09:19] <AndyEsser> shall we discuss something happier?
[09:19] <PE2BZ> Sure !
[09:19] <gonzo_> yep, ok
[09:20] <gonzo_> what mode lora is steve's flight today
[09:20] <PE2BZ> 27 degrees and sunny over here
[09:20] <gonzo_> just setting up the pi gateway
[09:20] <PE2BZ> Is Steve carryin lora ?
[09:20] <gonzo_> I'd nee dan inclinometer to see what degs the sun is here
[09:21] <gonzo_> looks like it. A 2ndary payload with lora/rtty
[09:21] <daveake> That's mode 0 gonzo_
[09:21] <gonzo_> cheers dave
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[09:30] <M0RJX> hey daveake did you see my post with the problem with the lora-gw?
[09:30] <daveake> the ID thing for ssdv upload?
[09:30] <M0RJX> no curl_global_init is not thread safe
[09:30] <daveake> no didn't see that
[09:31] <M0RJX> nor is curl_global_cleanup
[09:31] <daveake> ok
[09:31] <daveake> Add it to the growing list of requests please :)
[09:31] <M0RJX> So I have moved these calls into main() in gateway.c
[09:31] <daveake> ah right you did it for me? :)
[09:32] <M0RJX> and hopefully we won't lose any more logged packets
[09:32] <M0RJX> :-)
[09:32] <daveake> That curl stuff was a pita
[09:32] <fsphil> open source innit
[09:32] <daveake> indeed
[09:32] <M0RJX> I just need to test a few posts is htere any way to load the buffer or shall I hack the code?
[09:33] <daveake> Next time I'll just do main(){}, stick on github, and wait
[09:33] <daveake> Well if you have a Tx transmitter then just get that to send some packets
[09:33] <M0RJX> I'm also going to add a backout algorithm to deal with 409 errors when habhub is too busy and it wil wait a random number of milli seconds and try to post again three times before giving up
[09:34] <M0RJX> daveake, not that easy as my gateway is in england and i'm in lanzarote :-)
[09:34] <fsphil> you should do the same for ssdv packets too, though it shouldn't have as many problems as habitat
[09:34] <daveake> I see ...
[09:35] <M0RJX> the wonders of putty
[09:35] <daveake> "you" being Rob :-)
[09:35] <M0RJX> Yep :-)
[09:35] <daveake> hey you're on a roll :)
[09:35] <fsphil> hey I'm getting the hang of this :)
[09:35] <M0RJX> Did you see my testing telem
[09:37] <PE2BZ> Is the APRS frequency for UBSEDS18 144.800 ?
[09:37] <M0RJX> daveake, check this test around 0,0 https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=11&qm=All&mc=-0.06369,0.00663&q=icarusIV
[09:37] <daveake> lol nice
[09:37] <daveake> I did a UFO over London once
[09:38] <daveake> (flying saucer).
[09:38] <daveake> That was back when I started, after having 2 separate meridian issues
[09:38] <M0RJX> Yeah nobody seams to test anymore aparently
[09:39] <fsphil> yeah these off-the-shelf trackers eh :)
[09:39] <edmoore> M0RJX: i don't know if you were around a few years ago when on april fool's day the predictor had all the paths spiraling in to the nearest airport
[09:39] <daveake> hah
[09:39] <M0RJX> I'v created a ubx over uart code which takes a kml file and makes ubx-nav-pvt messages from it
[09:39] <M0RJX> edmoore, I think that was in my down time :-)
[09:40] <edmoore> yeah probs
[09:40] <WillDWork> cool - M0RJX - can you share?
[09:41] <M0RJX> sure it's in the same vain as steves gpsGen and gpsEmulate I've only tested on windows and it's dirty :-)
[09:41] <M0RJX> Yu have to set the com port in the code. It's woring under mingw
[09:44] <M0RJX> kml to ubx should work anywhere
[09:45] <M0RJX> sending the ubx to the payload on windows I hade to write some code which waited for a # to be sent and it would respond with the next ubx message
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[10:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F1TUV-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F1TUV-9
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[10:22] <gonzo_> I assume UBESEDS has some PV on it? As it came back online
[10:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> and a SuperCap 40F one
[10:24] <Ron_g8fjg> Well done the UBSEDS18 team for choosing a frequency thats in the clear ..I can use the LNAs full performance.
[10:25] <PE2BZ> gonzo_ tracker with images over here: http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/08/17/ubseds18.html
[10:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Luck of the location ;-) had a great carrier 300Hz wide sat on it yesterday! for me :-(
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing heard from BARC yet then ?
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> winder if 434.250 is the right frequency ?
[10:31] <Ron_g8fjg> yes but maybe not today ..certain qrgs have permanent transmissions on,,,big signals , best avoided.I dont know how the freqs are loaded, but probably not rocket science.
[10:33] <fsphil> barc are rarely where you expect them :)
[10:33] <M0RJX> WillDWork, https://github.com/rharrison/hab-testing
[10:36] <WillDWork> thanks for that - another tool to help with testing :)
[10:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
[10:37] <Rebounder> "Casserole 92", isn't casserole a kind of stew? :)
[10:37] <Rebounder> in comment on F1TUV-9
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> In English nit sure about French!
[10:41] <edmoore> it's a french word
[10:41] <edmoore> it's a saucepan in french
[10:51] <Upu> .dial barc
[10:51] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(8cb8): none
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> There up BARC
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anybody found the freq ?
[10:58] <Upu> 434.250
[10:58] <Upu> its so close I got it on the ground with my antenna pointing in the opposite direction
[10:58] <Upu> I might go steal that one later
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh good won't have to retune then!
[10:59] <Upu> dat landing prediction
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes just seen
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[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial barc
[11:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(8cb8): none
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial barc
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(8cb8): 03434.2508 MHz
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[11:09] <fsphil> Upu: brace for impact? :)
[11:10] <fsphil> looks like they might manage what I failed at
[11:10] <udat> :)
[11:12] <mattbrejza> talking of impacts, did we ever hear what happened to crater-hab a few weeks back?
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope!
[11:13] <daveake> They tweeted a pic of a recovered payload
[11:13] <daveake> No news on parachutes
[11:13] <mattbrejza> it survived then...
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Pancake shaped ?
[11:13] <daveake> didn't look too bad, but it was huge
[11:15] <amell> any news from elsworth. not getting any packets.
[11:16] <mattbrejza> BARC hasnt chosen the best landing area
[11:27] <gonzo_> I expect steve will start up-loading first
[11:29] <AndyEsser> is barc frequency actually correct?
[11:30] <daveake> on the balance of probabilities ....
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial barc
[11:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(8cb8): 03434.2514 MHz, 434.2508 MHz, 434.24964 MHz, 434.250399 MHz, 434.25064 MHz
[11:34] <AndyEsser> wow
[11:35] <fsphil> nothing here yet, but again my antenna is not quite aimed right
[11:35] <fsphil> should be better for steve's later
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> BARC's getting better Freq right shift 620Hz however not 900!
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[11:39] <amell> can someone clean x0 off the map?
[11:40] <amell> and what is 15:00 Scheduled Talk Subject to Official Approval ? :)
[11:43] <fsphil> ok hint of a signal now
[11:43] <arjunnaha> Stupid question, but what is actually on a repeater like this? http://www.tvrg.org.uk/repeaters/gb3rd/gb3rd.htm
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[11:44] <pjm> arjunnaha, a) nothing for 99% of time, and in the remaining 1% it'll be ham's moaning about road traffic congestion
[11:45] <arjunnaha> haha ok, I'm not missing the trick then :)
[11:47] <amell> ha. loud and clear on the ground.
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OM3BC-13 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-13
[11:48] <amell> 434.4063 on the dial
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03X1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X1
[11:48] <amell> shame its only every 2 minutes
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[11:51] <mfa298> arjunnaha: there should be an ident around every 15 minutes, but often there won't be much else on the repeater most od the time.
[11:51] <arjunnaha> I thought I had completely screwed something up lol
[11:52] <amell> 11:39:59 Ch1: $$X0,1,00:00:04,0.00000,0.00000,0,0,0,3.23,00*02D4
[11:52] <amell> hes turned it off again.
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[12:00] <PA0RPA> Does anyone knows an e-mail adress ir something where we can contact this BARC group ? Despite the hight of more than 20 km. it's here in Holland very weak and the previous BARC's had the same disadvantage.......
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[12:09] <fsphil> just getting partial decodes
[12:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5KMP-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-3
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[12:19] <fsphil> oh gone entirely here
[12:19] <fsphil> ah, burst. that'll be why
[12:22] <fsphil> going to land in your back garden M0RJX
[12:22] <M0RJX> fsphil,
[12:22] <M0RJX> shit did this have lora on
[12:22] <fsphil> nope
[12:22] <M0RJX> Phew
[12:22] <M0RJX> !flights
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Current flights: 03Stratomonidé PokéDrop 2016 10(d9f5), 03XABEN-105 10(b9e2), 03Barc 10(8cb8), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[12:22] <M0RJX> !dial barc
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(8cb8): 03434.250399 MHz, 434.25064 MHz
[12:23] <M0RJX> whats the bloody command for the url
[12:23] <M0RJX> !url :-)
[12:23] <fsphil> !track barc
[12:23] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=barc
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[12:24] <M0RJX> hum thats going to be kniced if it lands there
[12:24] <M0RJX> Hope there are no cameras on board :-)
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[12:24] <M0RJX> nicked
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[12:24] <Rebounder> impressive 175.0A drawing on the BARC :)
[12:24] <Upu> get a picture as it goes over Rob
[12:24] <whiteg6> !flights
[12:24] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Current flights: 03Stratomonidé PokéDrop 2016 10(d9f5), 03XABEN-105 10(b9e2), 03Barc 10(8cb8), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
[12:25] <whiteg6> !dial barc
[12:25] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(8cb8): 03434.250399 MHz
[12:30] <PE2BZ> !dial UBSEDS18
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS18 10(64a5): 03434.6116 MHz, 434.611518 MHz, 434.6105 MHz, 434.6115 MHz
[12:32] <Upu> there are good places to land then there is Huddersfield town center
[12:33] <mattbrejza> currently predicted to land on power lines
[12:33] <mattbrejza> (big ones too)
[12:34] <mattbrejza> that circle of houses in the middle of hte little forest is weird
[12:35] <fsphil> stealth estate
[12:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NAILBRUSH after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAILBRUSH
[12:36] <gonzo_> are they expecting an indian attack?
[12:38] <fsphil> Upu might get to track this one all the way down
[12:38] <Upu> I've just swung the antenna round from UBSEDS18 duty
[12:38] <Upu> as I've tracked this from the ground with the yagi pointing 180' in the wrong direction
[12:38] <fsphil> can track the youth you steal it
[12:38] <fsphil> who*
[12:39] <mattbrejza> perhaps the tracker needs a crime statistics overlay
[12:40] <Upu> lol
[12:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5KMP-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-4
[12:41] <daveake> Some places probably have more guns than that firing range
[12:42] <fsphil> landing soon
[12:43] <udat> got work to do but this is too good a distraction
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[12:44] <Upu> lol
[12:46] <mattbrejza> all the hills in the area are perhaps gonna screw the prediction
[12:47] <Upu> its not flat round here
[12:47] <Upu> they must be close
[12:47] <mattbrejza> might land in the only open area, not sure if thats better or worse though
[12:48] <mattbrejza> oh hadnt noticed tehy were still picking it up
[12:49] <Upu> gone
[12:49] <Upu> actually
[12:49] <Rebounder> hopefully not gping to be run over
[12:49] <Upu> still on waterfall
[12:49] <Upu> but signal too weak to decode
[12:49] <Upu> but can still see it
[12:49] <fsphil> hopefully not on that roof :)
[12:49] <Rebounder> they are chasing?
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Going to be a back garden job for BARC ;-)
[12:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5KMP-5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-5
[12:50] <Upu> yeah still clearly on waterfall so on a roof I think
[12:51] <mattbrejza> or tree
[12:51] <gonzo_> hope they have laddrs
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> In the tree in the front garden O reckon
[12:52] <mattbrejza> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.6469786,-1.7515348,3a,60y,278.39h,99.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slyJWzMi4x3NBG7oJe6Y_kQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
[12:52] <amell> I see Steve is still pushing ISH
[12:53] <gonzo_> osm says about 10mtrs agl
[12:53] <fsphil> yeah tree I think
[12:53] <amell> Im getting telem here, shows its still on the ground.
[12:53] <Upu> still on waterfall but very faint
[12:53] <Upu> going to swing antenna back to UBSEDS
[12:53] <Upu> actually
[12:53] <Upu> just went
[12:53] <arjunnaha> Upu: have you got a rotator?
[12:53] <Upu> Yep
[12:54] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[12:54] <AndyEsser> fancy pants
[12:54] <amell> So BARC seems to be dangling from a tree.
[12:54] <Upu> well possibly
[12:54] <Upu> or a roof
[12:55] <gonzo_> looks like steve is up
[12:55] <arjunnaha> If you don't mind me asking, which one?
[12:55] <Upu> G-5500
[12:55] <Upu> Yaesu
[12:55] <amell> Good to see theres a wheelie bin ready for BARC when its recovered.
[12:55] <amell> yes X0 is up
[12:55] <arjunnaha> what sw can you use to control it?
[12:56] <Upu> PST Rotate with craag's hab rotate
[12:56] <Upu> with one of my K3NG interface boards
[12:56] <arjunnaha> ah thanks
[12:57] <AndyEsser> all a bit incestuous this community...
[12:58] <Vaizki> what makes you think that, cousin Andy?
[12:58] <AndyEsser> ha
[12:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[12:59] Action: AndyEsser doesn't distribute his RTTY demod in the hopes of exiting the cycle
[12:59] <AndyEsser> ;)
[13:00] <arjunnaha> got another question lol, what are the bits that the arrow are pointing to, the bottom one looks like the rotator but who am I to guess https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gfXEaHjk/IMG_0796.JPG
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Azimuth rotater at the bottom on the bracket
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Elevation rotator at the top with what looks like a counterbalance weight
[13:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> better to stick up a 868MHz as a counterbalance ;-)
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[13:03] <AndyEsser> ha
[13:04] <ryan_in> PITS board boots then shuts down and and then restarts?
[13:06] <arjunnaha> Have I got an issue with my settings or is the signal just not strong enough yet? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fmj1Dl1R/
[13:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Doesn't look like the audio is reaching dl-fldigi
[13:07] <arjunnaha> They are both on Line1 of VAC
[13:07] <fsphil> your bandwidth is only 900 hz
[13:07] <fsphil> you'll need that at about 3000
[13:08] <arjunnaha> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tK2i26bz/
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[13:08] <fsphil> that's better
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup
[13:08] <fsphil> your fldigi settings are wrong too
[13:08] <arjunnaha> which bits?
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[13:09] <fsphil> the shift at least
[13:09] <fsphil> the two red lines should match the yellow lines on the waterfall
[13:09] <daveake> 75 baud probably too
[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> you have se;lected X0 not X1
[13:09] <amell> this balloon is going right over my head. if i was at home i'd get the telescope out...
[13:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> You will have to manually congure X0 as its also LoRa and payload doesn't understand it
[13:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> right click rtty in left corner and then set up for 50 baud 700 Hz shift
[13:10] <Upu> I have an 868 here Geoff-G8DHE :)
[13:10] <arjunnaha> That's weird, when I select X1 the auto-configure greys out
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MYM after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MYM
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Time to get it up them Upu ?
[13:11] <Upu> yup
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes its LoRa and RTTY and payloadID doesn't understand LoRa
[13:11] <arjunnaha> Oh sorry, just read back
[13:12] <arjunnaha> yey, it works
[13:13] <arjunnaha> first ever rx that's not testing yippee
[13:13] <fsphil> congrats :)
[13:13] <arjunnaha> attic antenna works well then
[13:13] <fsphil> it's neat getting data from distant signals
[13:14] <PE2BZ> !dial X0
[13:14] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03X0 10(b9e2): 03434.402 MHz, 434.40255 MHz, 434.402302 MHz, 434.402064 MHz, 440.716564 MHz
[13:14] <fsphil> !track X0
[13:14] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[13:15] <fsphil> should hopefully have better luck with this one
[13:15] <fsphil> what a messy map
[13:16] <PE2BZ> 50 bd for X0 is not ok. It´s 75
[13:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> X0 is 75Baud 488Hz shift
[13:19] <PE2BZ> That´s working better :-)
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[13:29] <PE2BZ> Is it possible to set the frequency tracking in fldigi to a more gentle mode ? Now it hops about 500 Hz down in the middle of a packet.
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> on the dl config page you can set it how you like I do +-20Hz
[13:33] <PE2BZ> On Frequency Tracking I can set minimum and maximum, as it reaches maximum it hops 500 hz down instead of slowly tuning. I can not see a setting where I can adjust the steps ?
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> its from a centre freqency I use a centre of 1500Hz then have it set for 1480 and 1520
[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/Capture1.JPG
[13:36] <PE2BZ> Thanks ! Much better then my 1000 Hz and 2000 Hz setting !
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some of the MFSK modes need either a much larger or much smaller setting shfiting whilst in a frame does nasty things
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh lovely QRM smack on the middle http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/XABEN-105_20160818/Screenshot-2016-08-18-144017.png
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[13:57] <udat> Geoff-G8DHE: knew there were a lot of things around 433.9 but didn't appreciate how spread out and nasty they were until now
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup it can vary by the minute as well, one moment fine then whack
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> also highly directional for me if using the beams I can pinpoint the industrial sites around me with no problem!
[14:01] <udat> live in centre of town backing on to a shopping centre car park, stuff everywhere :|
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> very frustrating at times ....:-|
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[14:05] <amell> ive not missed a LoRa packet from x0 since it was switched on.
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[14:06] <amell> one day i hope a payload lands in my back garden
[14:07] <amell> i spoke too soon. CRC failure :( :(
[14:08] <gonzo_> I'm getting a few lora decodes, about the same success rate as the rtty
[14:09] <amell> did you get sentence 815 via lora?
[14:09] <amell> hmm.. something is up.
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> 14:07:12 Ch0: $$X0,815,14:07:16,52.28991,0.12308,21593,9,3,3.19,00*4D18
[14:09] <fsphil> the signal at 434.500, 50 or 75 baud?
[14:10] <amell> not had any lora for 2 packets now.
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.5 is 50baud 434.405 is 75baud
[14:10] <fsphil> tw
[14:10] <fsphil> ta
[14:10] <fsphil> now I wait for it to get stronger
[14:11] <fsphil> shift is about 650hz?
[14:11] <amell> 434.4117MHz
[14:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> 75/488 and 50/700
[14:12] <fsphil> whatever it was has gone here
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh it has here as well just stopped on 434.405 X0
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh no my freq jumped
[14:13] <pjm> amell, i had a vaisala radiosonde land in my garden a few years back, it was launched from salisbury plain
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> I clicked in thw wrong window :-(
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[14:17] <fsphil> 660hz shift, getting partial text
[14:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> X1 on 434.5 is 50/700 while X0 on 434.405 is 75/488
[14:17] <PA0RPA> Does anyone knows an adress or e-mail adress of the BARC group ? Here in Holland we can not find anything in the neigbourhood of there launching site.
[14:18] <fsphil> weird. definitly 660hz shift
[14:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is it X0 ?
[14:19] <fsphil> also at 434.525mhz, but that's just my rtlsdr
[14:19] <fsphil> yeah pretty sure it's X0
[14:19] <fsphil> not strong enough to get the ID part yet
[14:20] <gonzo_> does every X0 frame go via lora? Or only every Nth one?
[14:21] <Ian_> PA0RPA Your earlier question seemed not to be answered.
[14:21] <gonzo_> looks like every 11th?
[14:21] <AndyEsser> PA0RPA: if you're wanting to contact them for some reason - use the mailing list
[14:21] <AndyEsser> if they don't publish a public contact address
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Isn't BARC Chris Hillcox ?
[14:21] <gonzo_> see if it's on their notam?
[14:21] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: nope
[14:21] <mattbrejza> no, sent into space
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes
[14:22] <Ian_> BARC is Chris Rose and Alex B. . . sentintospace.com chris_rose31@hotmail.com
[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Address on the web site
[14:23] <Ian_> CH is someone else with Trade Mark issues
[14:23] <AndyEsser> can we email them asking them to finally for once, file a correct flight doc? :P
[14:24] <Ian_> That and use the mailing list regularly of course
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Maybe to much flack if they used here or the list ;-)
[14:24] <PA0RPA> Thanks ! I will contact them. We have here in Holland some questions about there constant weak signal we receve her from all BARC'S
[14:25] <fsphil> they're probably not too bothered about distant RX
[14:25] <Ian_> No one expected the Netherlands (Spanish) Inquisition :)
[14:25] <fsphil> they do commercial launches, mostly concerned with payload recovery
[14:27] <PA0RPA> Ian, we live in the 21 century here ! You probably not ! We defeated the Spanish some centuries ago !
[14:27] <fsphil> no monty python though :)
[14:27] <gonzo_> but that is our chief weapon
[14:28] <PA0RPA> Oh, fspil, i thought that was "deads Army "!.....
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[14:29] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJXHY2OXGE
[14:29] <fsphil> trouble at t'mill
[14:30] <Ian_> :)
[14:30] Action: Ian_ admits to being Monty Python fan
[14:30] <gonzo_> cross beam 's gone out of skew on the treddle
[14:32] <AndyEsser> Ian_: who isn't?
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[14:35] <gonzo_> whenever two or three are gathered together, then they shalt perform The Parrot Sketch
[14:35] <gonzo_> is's one of the commandments
[14:36] <Ian_> Not many!
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[14:42] <fsphil> ah bursty
[14:43] <fsphil> never got strong enough to decode. rtlsdr not good enough for the job
[14:44] <AndyEsser> RTL SDR is fine
[14:44] <AndyEsser> get a decent antenna and LNA ;)
[14:44] <fsphil> amazing antenna, no LNA
[14:45] <AndyEsser> what you got?
[14:45] <AndyEsser> I need to buy an airpsy + habamp next month
[14:45] <fsphil> 2x 11 element yagis
[14:45] <AndyEsser> s/get a decent antenna/point your antenna in the right direction
[14:45] <AndyEsser> :P
[14:46] <fsphil> it is :) it was pointed towards the south english coast
[14:46] <fsphil> all the flights this-morning where east of me
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[14:47] <AndyEsser> aim it better ;)
[14:47] <fsphil> ideally I'd have the yagis up on the roof on a motor, but I think that would stand out a bit :)
[14:47] <AndyEsser> put some tree leaves over them
[14:47] <AndyEsser> ;)
[14:47] <fsphil> hah
[14:48] <Ian_> 2x fsphil, bayed or stacked?
[14:48] <whiteg6> !flights
[14:48] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Current flights: 03Stratomonidé PokéDrop 2016 10(d9f5), 03XABEN-105 10(b9e2), 03Barc 10(8cb8), 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5)
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[14:52] <fsphil> Ian_: http://i.imgur.com/q8PRr.jpg
[14:54] <Ian_> That would be bayed then. Nice!
[14:56] <PE2BZ> I guess X0 is constantly transmitting LoRa and have the antenna switched ? The packet counter goes up by eleven packets
[14:56] <fsphil> Ian_: can you spot the error in that photo? :)
[14:58] <Ian_> Nope! RG213 in phasing loops and then RG58 . . . wise me up?
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[14:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM3BC-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-10
[14:59] <fsphil> the yagi on the right is upside down. I think they where cancelling eachother out
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Nah must be the one of the left ;-)
[14:59] <fsphil> hah
[15:00] <Ian_> I was just thinking about that, but have to admit that I was very uncertain. You could have got over that with different length on one of the phasing loops, just for asthetics .. . Something else learned
[15:00] <fsphil> I got a strong signal either side of the direction of the payload
[15:00] <dbrooke> they also appear to have 10 elements, not 11
[15:00] <AndyEsser> off by one error
[15:01] <fsphil> ah man
[15:01] <dbrooke> what make are they fsphil ?
[15:01] <fsphil> diamond
[15:02] <gonzo_> yep it becomes a broadside array-ish
[15:02] <Ian_> I guess that small errors in the phasing would give it a squint. Lots of £
[15:02] <fsphil> no idea where I got 11 from
[15:02] <Ian_> 18dBd at best?
[15:02] <gonzo_> on our club antennas I have used clamp cable glands to secure the elements to the feed box. And used red and black ones so we can get the phasing right
[15:02] <fsphil> spec says 13.1 dBi each
[15:03] <gonzo_> (have failed at that a few times!)
[15:03] <gonzo_> probably a real gain then
[15:05] <Ian_> So around 16.2dBi as a very well matched pair, which is around 14dBd. I think that as you approach 12dBd you enter a region of diminishing returns
[15:05] <PE2BZ> X) is getting below horizon. Please send UBSEDS18 back ;-)
[15:05] <PE2BZ> X0 I mean
[15:06] <amell> X0 is fine here.
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[15:08] <PE2BZ> That´s nice ! What´s your distance ?
[15:08] <gonzo_> 70cm is the region where a mesh dish starts to become practical
[15:08] <arjunnaha> Can the airspy handle two freqs at the same time?
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[15:09] <PE1ANS> many thanks to the crew of XABEN-105 for the nice flight ... 73's Jan
[15:09] <craag> gonzo_: I joked to julian(?) about adding a 70cm feed to his eme dish..
[15:09] <PE2BZ> arjunnaha within the sample range it can. If you have it in 5 Ms mode and the frequencies are less than 4.8 MHz apart
[15:10] <arjunnaha> How can you do that?
[15:10] <gonzo_> craag, it has to be in the 20dB range
[15:10] <gonzo_> on a 3.7mtr
[15:11] <PE2BZ> arjunnaha which OS / software are you used to ?
[15:11] <mfa298> arjunnaha: that's down to your software, sdr-radio has support for several vfos
[15:11] <arjunnaha> Windows
[15:11] <arjunnaha> I'm using sdr# atm
[15:11] <gonzo_> craag, and it was Julian. G3YGF
[15:11] <mfa298> arjunnaha: you can also do it with most other dongles, just as long as the frequencies your want are all in the sample space
[15:11] <PE2BZ> Then SDR-radio V2 or V3 will be a good choice. Up to 6 (v2) or 30 (V3) vfo´s within the sample rate range
[15:12] <arjunnaha> too late, just gone below my horizon
[15:13] <PE2BZ> and you need virtual audio cables to route different vfo´s to different decoders
[15:14] <amell> this is fun
[15:14] <amell> lets see if i get this on the ground. it is possible.
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[15:15] <amell> nope. lost it on the ground :(
[15:15] <amell> I know this area well. it is very possible it had a wet landing...
[15:16] <PE2BZ> arjunnaha are you ARJUN as uploader ? 438 packets decoded, well done !
[15:16] <arjunnaha> I am
[15:16] <arjunnaha> Pretty suprised tbh, I didn't think the antenna in the attic would do very well
[15:17] <arjunnaha> Where are you seeing the the packets decoded PE2BZ?
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Probably http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
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[15:19] <PE2BZ> indeed, choose the XABEN 105 flight and there you are
[15:20] <arjunnaha> Ah very nice :)
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[15:23] <M0RJX> is ther a good imagebin?
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[15:29] <PE2BZ> M0RJX you mean to share images >
[15:30] <M0RJX> Yeah
[15:30] <fsphil> imgur is probably the handiest
[15:30] <M0RJX> What does every one use on here
[15:30] <PE2BZ> indeed imgur.com
[15:30] <M0RJX> yep thats it
[15:34] <amell> oh a nice field landing for X0. no problem
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[15:36] <Ian_> I would imagine that the field has probably been harvested by now as well, so should be easy to spot
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[15:39] <jakeio> What's going on with this image? http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-08-17--11-59-33-MORPH-8A30.jpeg?u=532
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[15:40] <dbrooke> harvesting is still under way up here, they've just started on the field over the road
[15:40] <Ian_> That would be a spot of magick, of the Image kind from Dave
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[15:42] <jakeio> Is that the Wallace and Gromit spaceship?
[15:42] <Ian_> More to the point, how did he select the candidate base picture - checked for suitable dark monotone area . . . magic indeed!
[15:43] <M0RJX> http://i.imgur.com/1UvxcW9.jpg?1 and http://i.imgur.com/18mCuwK.jpg?1 arrived today
[15:44] <daveake> No the image was built in advance; only the telemetry overlay was added during flight
[15:44] <Upu> looks good Rob
[15:44] <M0RJX> Upu, thanks for the pointers
[15:44] <M0RJX> BTW how small can we make vias?
[15:45] <Upu> 0.3mm
[15:45] <craag> off-board voltage regulator M0RJX ?
[15:45] <M0RJX> You seemed to have some very small filled in ones on the gps board
[15:45] <Upu> yeah without paying extra 0.3mm
[15:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03zafira_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=zafira_chase
[15:45] <M0RJX> Is ther an option on eagle to fill them?
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[15:46] <M0RJX> My vias all have holes in them
[15:46] <Upu> not tented
[15:46] <Upu> sorry they are
[15:46] <Upu> 0.5mm
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[15:47] <M0RJX> craag, is a dev board with gps and radio on board will all pins broken out for adding other sensors / devices
[15:47] <RocketBoy> XABEN-105 recovered oK
[15:47] <craag> :)
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[15:47] <M0RJX> Upu so I need to lok up tented vias
[15:47] <M0RJX> look
[15:48] <Upu> no your vias are tented
[15:48] <M0RJX> are the as small as you can get?
[15:48] <M0RJX> are they even
[15:48] <Ian_> Good flight RocketBoy, well done. Logos OK?
[15:48] <Upu> 0.3m ? You can go smaller but at extra ££
[15:48] <M0RJX> It might be that the board is so small the vias look huge :-)
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[15:52] <fsphil> the pcb I made recently looked huge and spacious on the screen. I needed optics to solder it :)
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[15:55] <M0RJX> craag, that board will replace all this stuff and fits on the bread board nicely http://i.imgur.com/dOge8ao.jpg?1
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[15:56] <arjunnaha> Is 0x17 on this channel?
[15:59] <craag> Ah good plan M0RJX
[15:59] <M0RJX> Thats why the radio jacks are upright for easy screwing in antennas
[16:00] <M0RJX> One for gps and the other for rfmxx
[16:00] <craag> I see :)
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[17:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[18:16] <M0RJX> daveake, thode updates ok?
[18:16] <M0RJX> those
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[18:28] <Upu> hey M0RJX sorry just saw your texts
[18:28] <Upu> 0.3mm :)
[18:32] <M0RJX> Upu, yeah you answered earlier on here :-)
[18:32] <M0RJX> is that 12mills
[18:32] <M0RJX> or 0.12 mills
[18:33] <Upu> metric or busy baby
[18:34] <PE2BZ> condx on 70 are going up. UBSEDS18 449 km at -0.3 elevation on the V-2000 diamond colineair
[18:35] <Upu> bust
[18:35] <Upu> tbh no idea what a mil is
[18:35] <Upu> is it 1000th of an inch ?
[18:36] <PE2BZ> mil is. but mills is common millimeters (says wikipedia)
[18:37] <M0RJX> Humm any how I think they just look big in the picture whan I scale it to size they look tiny :-)
[18:39] <Upu> you should be able to get away with 0.3mm ones
[18:39] <M0RJX> Upu, I fixed the lora-gw today moving the none thread safe calls into the main program
[18:39] <Upu> is that the fix for uploaders or is that different ?
[18:39] <M0RJX> fix is for uploaders
[18:39] <Upu> ok
[18:39] <M0RJX> I've pushed this to daveake
[18:39] <Upu> sure daveake will implement that he's doing some things to it anyway
[18:39] <Upu> on the fly mode changes etc
[18:40] <M0RJX> I uploaded a few hundered sentances today for nailbrush
[18:41] <M0RJX> Not one failed to be added
[18:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> But desn't the problem only appear when there is more than one station uploading ?
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[18:46] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap, when I loked at the code last night and this morning it looks like the problem was with curl_global functions been executed in the threads which is a big nono according to curls docs
[18:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> SO not the 409 response of locked records on the CouchDB ?
[18:48] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap, these are captued and reported by the lora-gw if they occure
[18:48] <M0RJX> The basic rule for constructing a program that uses libcurl is this: Call curl_global_init, with a CURL_GLOBAL_ALL argument, immediately after the program starts, while it is still only one thread and before it uses libcurl at all. Call curl_global_cleanup immediately before the program exits, when the program is again only one thread and after its last use of libcurl.
[18:49] <M0RJX> if you grep the source for curl_global you wil see it's called all over the place
[18:49] <M0RJX> well in four places
[18:49] <M0RJX> all after threads have started
[18:50] <PE2BZ> M0RJX if I understand right the LoRa gateway should mention if uploads failed because of the 409 error ? Indeed I have seen no errors on my screen.
[18:50] <M0RJX> I have pushed a fix to daveake from my fork
[18:50] <M0RJX> PE2BZ, correct
[18:51] <M0RJX> Thats what lead me to think that the problem was else where and I looked into curl and threads when I read the bit about parts which arn't thread safe
[18:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> It only sends a fail message if it times out rather than a bad response, but I haven't dug into the code at all deeply.
[18:51] <PE2BZ> I have received over 600 packages and have seen no error like 409 at all. So I go for the Curl fix ;-)
[18:52] <PE2BZ> Only 37 got registered so if it was because of error 409 I certainly would have noticed.
[18:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> But it doesn't report failed responses, only timed out requests ..
[18:53] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap, after culling in the data the code does the following
[18:53] <M0RJX> // Perform the request, res will get the return code
[18:53] <M0RJX> res = curl_easy_perform(curl);
[18:53] <M0RJX> // Check for errors
[18:53] <M0RJX> if (res == CURLE_OK)
[18:53] <M0RJX> {
[18:53] <M0RJX> LogMessage("OK\n");
[18:53] <M0RJX> }
[18:53] <M0RJX> else
[18:53] <M0RJX> {
[18:53] <M0RJX> LogMessage("curl_easy_perform() failed: %s\n", curl_easy_strerror(res));
[18:53] <M0RJX> }
[18:53] <M0RJX> Now I'm not sure if a 409 is a curl ok response
[18:55] <PE2BZ> I am leaving for the night. Cu tomorrow !
[18:56] <M0RJX> This is returned if CURLOPT_FAILONERROR is set TRUE and the HTTP server returns an error code that is >= 400.
[18:56] <PE2BZ> UBSEDS18 is almost going to sleep...
[18:56] <M0RJX> PE2BZ, bye
[18:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ok, well wait for dave to merge it.
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[19:15] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap, CURLOPT_FAILONERROR is now set to 1 so all http erros >= 400 will be reported to the bottom of the window on the gateway
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[19:30] <Upu> sleep well UBSEDS18
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[19:43] <pb0ahx> UBSEDS18 need sleep hhihi
[19:49] <Maxell> Upu: "meh", coming into range for us dutchies
[19:50] <Upu> yep handing over the baton
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[19:57] <M0RJX> daveake, tidied up my repositry and its ready for a merge
[19:57] <M0RJX> Any lora flights planned?
[20:09] <michal_f> has any body build dl-fldigi for odroid or raspi ?
[20:09] <Upu> yes
[20:09] <Upu> not me ]
[20:09] <Upu> :]
[20:12] <michal_f> are there any binaries to download ? :)
[20:12] <michal_f> (and does raspi and odroid binaries are cthe same / compatible ? )
[20:14] <Upu> no idea to both
[20:14] <Upu> I tried once and decided to just use Windows
[20:14] <Upu> as life is too short
[20:14] <michal_f> haha :) yeah
[20:14] <michal_f> you convinced me to get me a beer ...
[20:15] <michal_f> btw upu, I just plugged in NTX2b you fixed for me and it switched to lower freq. so it seems to work :)
[20:15] <michal_f> I'll try to reprogramm it now
[20:15] <Upu> super
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[20:56] <dbrooke> michal_f: I use an Odroid C1 with Debian 8.5 for dl-fldigi. Apart from installing the necessary dev packages I just needed a one line change to Makefile.am
[20:56] <dbrooke> -TESTS = $(srcdir)/../scripts/tests/config-h.sh $(srcdir)/../scripts/tests/cr.sh
[20:56] <dbrooke> +TESTS = ../scripts/tests/config-h.sh ../scripts/tests/cr.sh
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[21:00] <michal_f> thanks dbrooke
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[21:02] <michal_f> dbrooke, what type of radio you have with your odroid ? Some SDR ?
[21:03] <dbrooke> Using a USB audio device and an IC-R7000 (with USB serial for hamlib control)
[21:04] <michal_f> ok
[21:07] <dbrooke> I have a GPIO controlled relay for the rig power and x11vnc server so it's remotely accessible
[21:08] <mfa298> michal_f: someone at the Pi foundation has been trying to run dl-fldigi + sdr on a Pi3 but i think there are some issues still
[21:08] <mfa298> dl-fldigi should be fairly easy to compile though, similar to any other linux machine
[21:09] <michal_f> thats what I try to do. rtty decode on odroid (has more power that PI3)
[21:09] <michal_f> I successfully decoded USB signal with csdr. now is rtty part
[21:09] <michal_f> I'm moving really slow, but forward :)
[21:10] <mfa298> I think csdr + dl-fldigi was the setup the person at Pi Towers was doing but having issues with.
[21:10] <mfa298> I'm guessing the issue is piping the audio around as that's been an issue on most linuxes
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[21:11] <michal_f> the fact I'm a linus noob doesn;t help here either :)
[21:11] <michal_f> linux*
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[21:11] <michal_f> I piped csdr output to mplay and then used minimodem --rx -8 300 but was not able to properly decode. parts of string were coming ok, rest was garbage
[21:12] <michal_f> minimodem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwuyMJfyNmY
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[21:14] <N2NXZ> Hi all,juat happened to be outside and spotted what appears to be a large high altitude balloon over my house.
[21:15] <N2NXZ> Anyone klnow of any possible flights in the Rochester,NY area?Moving West to East very slowly and very high.
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[21:41] <fsphil> could be a weather sonde
[21:41] <fsphil> though they're not usually that big
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