highaltitude.log.20160817

[00:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OM3BC-13 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-13
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[04:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL1NBR-12 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1NBR-12
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[06:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
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[07:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS18 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
[07:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> UBSEDS18 is up
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[07:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS18_20160817/
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[07:32] <AndyEsser> anyone driven/owned a Mercedes C-Class Estate?
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[07:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> ubseds comming in nicley on suws web sdr
[07:37] <AndyEsser> I haven't tracked anything for ages :(
[07:38] <AndyEsser> although predicted flightpath will take it directly over my house :)
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[07:44] <Vaizki> I will have to pitch in for POKE tomorrow
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[07:46] <AndyEsser> does that replace the standard Teddy on a stick to be a Pokemon on a Stick with a Pokemon Go logo?
[07:48] <Vaizki> you need coffee even more than I do
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[08:02] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: yes, but why specifically?
[08:02] <AndyEsser> For the Awfsome idea? :P
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[08:03] <daveake> It's been done :p
[08:03] <thasti>
[08:03] <daveake> albeit the "stick" was software :)
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[08:04] <AndyEsser> daveake: with pokemon?
[08:05] <daveake> Yers did you miss it? :)
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[08:05] <AndyEsser> apparently...
[08:05] <AndyEsser> whilst looking for a magmount antenna for my car, I came across a photo of your office daveake
[08:05] <AndyEsser> remember it from one of your blogs
[08:05] <daveake> nice
[08:05] <AndyEsser> I imagine it's never been that clean since
[08:06] <daveake> It's periodically clean
[08:06] <AndyEsser> https://bitbucket.org/leopardsoftware/candidates/pull-requests/142/feature-fixthebrokenetl/diff
[08:06] <AndyEsser> err...
[08:06] <AndyEsser> wrong URL
[08:06] <AndyEsser> http://www.chestercarsupermarket.com/used-cars/mercedes-benz-c-class-2-1-c220-cdi-sport-5dr-chester-201607195980082
[08:06] <AndyEsser> current car plan
[08:07] <Vaizki> damn cars are cheap there :(
[08:09] <AndyEsser> twice the price of the pickups I've been looking at
[08:09] <AndyEsser> but better fuel economy wise
[08:10] <Vaizki> you'd pay 50% more here and still get a car with twice the miles.. :P
[08:10] <AndyEsser> but still wouldn't look too bad with an antenna on the roof :)
[08:11] <AndyEsser> need to work out how to run the cable from outside to inside
[08:13] <Vaizki> the basic magmount whip cable rg316 or so will go through the door jamb ok?
[08:15] <AndyEsser> cool
[08:15] <AndyEsser> will probably feed it via the boot hinge jamb
[08:17] <Vaizki> if you want to drill holes in your car, maybe a ready-made FME-FME RG-58 cable, the FME female connector on the end of the cable is very small in diameter so doesn't need a big hole :)
[08:17] <Vaizki> I used one for my boat VHF, I think the hole is 6mm
[08:18] <gonzo_> buy a cheap car and just drill holes. Then run it till it is scrap
[08:18] <gonzo_> put an sma on the end, just as small and more universal
[08:19] <AndyEsser> sma on the end of a car?!
[08:19] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: I have no issue with drilling holes, I'd likely want to run the cabling from the back of the car up into the dashboard, so will likely have to drill some holes anyway
[08:19] <gonzo_> why not
[08:19] <AndyEsser> rather than a tow hook?
[08:20] <gonzo_> may not be type approved
[08:20] <gonzo_> tell them it's an rf charging port
[08:20] <Vaizki> gonzo_, I have nothing against SMA but FME is much more robust if an adapter is needed and it's weatherproof out of the box
[08:22] <gonzo_> if you are mounting radios up front, then you may be able to fetch the interior light out and drill your hole through there. Then route the cablle doen the A pillar
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[08:31] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: hmm, possibly, not a fan of the antenna being that far forward
[08:32] <Darkside> ho hum
[08:32] <gonzo_> you can always sweep it back when not in use and ot will look like a broadcast any
[08:32] <gonzo_> ant
[08:32] <Darkside> working on new conditions of balloon release with CASA
[08:32] <fsphil> that sounds fun
[08:32] <Darkside> tracker.habhub.org being online is a condition of our launches :P
[08:32] <Darkside> ATC watch it
[08:32] <Darkside> >_>
[08:35] <gonzo_> it's official then now!
[08:35] <fsphil> that sounds unfun
[08:35] <AndyEsser> Darkside: have you checked this with Upu and lz1dev
[08:35] <AndyEsser> ?
[08:35] <AndyEsser> :)
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[08:35] <Darkside> >_>
[08:35] <Upu> I just checked its online you may proceed
[08:35] <Darkside> :P
[08:35] Action: fsphil moves his simulated flights to over .au :)
[08:35] <Upu> sudo killall nginx
[08:36] <Upu> sorry wrong box
[08:36] <Darkside> CASA were watching for our last launch
[08:36] <Darkside> they thought it was cool
[08:36] <Darkside> and it also sets the bar for other flights in australia
[08:36] <Darkside> which is funny :P
[08:36] <gonzo_> no process found
[08:36] <fsphil> hah, good point
[08:37] <fsphil> for such a big country there are not too many launches
[08:37] <lz1dev> Upu: lol
[08:37] <mfa298> wow, atc managing to keep up with modern times that's impressive
[08:37] <gonzo_> supprised they are so interested in au. It's a big place with not much traffic
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[08:37] <gonzo_> snap fsphil
[08:38] <Darkside> gonzo_: well we launch nearish an airport i guess
[08:38] <Darkside> ok, 30km away
[08:38] <gonzo_> suppose here we just hget told it can't float anywhere in the X direwction. Or a silly o'clock permission
[08:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> richardeoin, Have you reduced the gap between RSID and start of Contestia data ? Having problems with this flight in AFC still locking on
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[08:52] <M0VPN> !dial UBSEDS18
[08:52] <SpacenearUS> 03M0VPN: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS18 10(64a5): 03434.6115 MHz, 434.611 MHz, 434.611138 MHz
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[09:23] <AndyEsser> UBSED isn't in a hurry to gain altitude is it...
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[09:28] <NickSF> Hi. Are there many launches in/near to Sheffield? Just seen that BARC was released not too far from me a couple of weeks ago
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NAILBRUSH after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAILBRUSH
[09:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not sure anyone counts the number of launches, bring them all up on GE and look at the dates!
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[09:33] <michemto> @Vaizki, where are you from?
[09:33] <Vaizki> Espoo, Finland
[09:33] <michemto> That's great! :)
[09:33] <Vaizki> where are you launching from?
[09:34] <NickSF> on GE?
[09:35] <michemto> Viljandi, Estonia
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[09:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Google Earth use the KML file link http://spacenear.us/tracker/datanew.php?format=kml
[09:35] <NickSF> ah. ok, thanks
[09:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its available on the info page on the Tracker
[09:36] <michemto> AndyEsser - We're going to drop 3 Pokemons from approx 500m to the ground - going to use servo and 2,4GHz for that... And one will be tripping up and down sitting on the stick. That's true though.
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[09:38] <Vaizki> michemto, I probably can't reach that far.. my antenna is not very good southward
[09:38] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:38] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03MORPH 10(1e0c)
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[09:39] <michemto_> at least you can try though
[09:40] <michemto_> I meant that globaltuners websdr in Espoo, is that yours?
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[09:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MORPH after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MORPH
[09:52] <fsphil> isn't morph always silent?
[09:53] <daveake> good point
[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHAS after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHAS
[09:53] <AndyEsser> CHAS and DAVE?
[09:53] <daveake> :)
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[09:55] <gonzo_> saw them last year
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[10:09] <daveake> filling soon
[10:09] Action: Geoff-G8DHE grabs a coffee
[10:09] <PE2BZ> Good morning. Good flight !
[10:10] <PE2BZ> No live stream ?
[10:10] <PE2BZ> !flights
[10:11] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03MORPH 10(1e0c)
[10:13] <fsphil> someone taking a quick nap in the latest pic
[10:15] <M0RJX> hehe are we about to have a flight?
[10:15] <M0RJX> !dial UBSEDS18
[10:15] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS18 10(64a5): 03434.6115 MHz, 434.6111 MHz, 434.6 MHz, 434.611499 MHz, 434.61147 MHz
[10:16] <fsphil> dave's about to launch a morph
[10:22] <M0RJX> fsphil, :-)
[10:22] <M0RJX> I've even read the mailing list :-)
[10:23] <M0RJX> Nailbrush is the one for me
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[10:27] <fsphil> I might manage this one too, if I remembered to leave the Pi on...
[10:28] <M0RJX> Ive mounted mine on the study wall connected to the whip antenna on the roof. Just put two nails in the wall and hung it on its screw holes
[10:30] <M0RJX> Next on the list is a yagi for 434 and 869 mounted to an alt azimith rotator controlled by the pi. Next to collect alt az data from habitat to auto lign up antenna
[10:31] <M0RJX> No point calculating from the data as I cant get the data till decode
[10:31] <fsphil> hmm.. this Pi has two radios and I don't remember which RFM is 434 and 869
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://github.com/philcrump/habrotate/blob/master/cli/habrotate-cli.py
[10:31] <M0RJX> BTW anyone know what should go in the metadata for an upload to habitat?
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[10:32] <M0RJX> fsphil, read the gateway.txt file
[10:32] <fsphil> I mean I don't know physically which way around they are
[10:32] <fsphil> wait I have a photo of the board somewhere, if I can find it
[10:32] <AndyEsser> see which one is deaf?
[10:33] <g8fjg> on mine 0=869 1 =434 0 at top looking at front 0=left
[10:33] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, that looks cool I asume thats python
[10:33] <M0RJX> Not sure how to run it :-)
[10:33] <M0RJX> its !c :-)
[10:33] <M0RJX> python and the name of it I guess
[10:33] <fsphil> currently the one configured as 434 has the lowest noise floor, -112
[10:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup, craag wote it a while ago, i use it to feed PstRotator which then drives my rotaters
[10:33] <fsphil> suppose I can swap and see
[10:34] <daveake> up
[10:35] <fsphil> hmm both -120 reversed, so I guess it was already right
[10:35] <M0RJX> fsphil, wont the gateway.txt file have the config for 434 and 869 I'm assuming you don't have 2 434's on there
[10:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> ohh, hopefully that was just a temporarly gps error in the last ubseds telemetry....
[10:35] <pb0ahx> daveake, GL
[10:35] <WillDWork> anyone know who the JMHS receiver is on here (if at all)
[10:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> yay. closing in on 13000m, thats cool
[10:35] <fsphil> M0RJX: I lost my gateway.txt when i did a git reset
[10:36] <fsphil> having to configure from scratch
[10:36] <M0RJX> :-)
[10:36] <M0RJX> Hum new addition for the lora-gw to check git to see if there is a new realse on load :-)
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> M0RJX, http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/Capture3.JPG
[10:37] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, IWOOT
[10:38] <M0RJX> Is that a combined rotator ?
[10:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Az/El using K3NG arduino based driver
[10:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> for the rotators themselves
[10:38] <M0RJX> I'm in the market for a good antenna system. Thinking 9 element yagi for 434 as anything larger is going to look mostorous
[10:39] <M0RJX> k3ng is that the rotator?
[10:40] <pb0ahx> i using here also habrotated working great here
[10:40] <gonzo_> if it's for roof/mast mounting, look at the tv ants around you
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> No the arduino software I have a mix of rotators Yaseu G-400RC for Az and an older thing for El
[10:40] <fsphil> pesky tv ants
[10:40] <gonzo_> they look suprisingly small when in tah air
[10:40] <gonzo_> they get everywhere
[10:41] <gonzo_> and mostly they are pretty inefficient
[10:41] <fsphil> ah found my pic
[10:42] <M0RJX> humm Im thinking of getting the combined Yaesu one and mounting the yagis on a fiber glass rod so they are ballanced rather than at one end?
[10:42] <M0RJX> Hopefully that will work without afecting the radiation
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/pictures/2016/08/20160807/c360_2016-08-07-17-35-50-738.jpg
[10:42] <gonzo_> if it's only vertical, then no need for fibreglass
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup similar to mine http://www.g8dhe.com/amateurradio/g8dhe/beams.jpg
[10:43] <gonzo_> though nice to be able to switch
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> suggest putting fibreglass"bullets" down the tube so that when you do up the clamps the mast doesn't deform
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> I have always had problems with the aerials loosening up over time on the El mast
[10:44] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, is that a 2m antenna on there too?
[10:44] <gonzo_> a bit of wooden dowel works dor that too
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> there marked up on the second image
[10:44] <M0RJX> gonzo_, good shout
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> wooden dowel does but it also softens/rots over time
[10:45] <gonzo_> if you have switchable H and V on the mast, then you need fibreglass
[10:45] <gonzo_> thinking of wood as the plug
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes used wood in the past, only lasts a few years
[10:46] <gonzo_> I have used a steel cross boom with wooden ends where it goes through the antenna field. Yes they do soften and rot
[10:46] <gonzo_> but takes years if treated
[10:47] <M0RJX> gonzo_, do you mean if you have both rotations you need fiberglas?
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> just as easy to create fibreglass bullets using old toilet rolls roll up glass maytting then pour in resin with a straw down the middle to handle it with and release air out
[10:47] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, very creative
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> for the Elevation mast other wise the hoizontal aerial has a metal boom thru the middle!
[10:47] <fsphil> right that should be me up and running. http://i.imgur.com/nUZ3qeK.jpg?1 -- for my own future reference, lora board setup
[10:47] <gonzo_> or just cast it directly in the boom
[10:48] <gonzo_> I acciudentally powered my lora box down
[10:48] <richardeoin> Geoff-G8DHE: the RSID timing shouldn't have changed, I've noted to check it for the next flight
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> 6 casts down a 6 foot boom too difficult!
[10:48] <gonzo_> so will miss the flights
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> also I can move the bullets around with a long rod
[10:48] <gonzo_> 6?
[10:49] <gonzo_> ah, the rotator
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> richardeoin, No its OK it was interference making the decode very slow and hence missing the gap
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4 aerial clamps and two rotator clamps
[10:50] <richardeoin> ah okay, thanks
[10:50] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, I gues the next hing is to auto read habitat workout viable payloads and auto decode :-)
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Itys about 300mS isn;t it ?
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> there is quite a bit you can do on automation!
[10:53] <richardeoin> I've set the gap to be 5 RSID bit time either side, which is ~460ms
[10:54] <gonzo_> you use sepatare antennas for H and V?
[10:54] <richardeoin> M0RJX: a nice python library for doing that would be awesome
[10:55] <richardeoin> oops no it's 2.5 RSID bit times, so ~230ms
[10:55] <gonzo_> nice and python, in the same breath?!
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> sry chair roller fell off!
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> wheel came off my wagon
[10:57] <gonzo_> you are off your trolley
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes crossed aerials for 2m ans 70cms
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> combined at the lower end for circular or individual
[10:58] <gonzo_> looked back and found your pic
[10:58] <Bencls> has anyone managed to build dl-fldigi for 16.04 xenial ubuntu?
[10:58] <gonzo_> mine is similar, but lower down, as it is only for satellite
[10:58] <gonzo_> (live in a valley, so little point doing anything else)
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> :) I'm surrounded by the south down to E, N and NW
[10:59] <mfa298> Bencls: I think some have tried, but I don't know if they managed it or not.
[10:59] <M0RJX> Geoff-G8DHE, combined at the end? Can you choose polarisation or do you just get both ?
[10:59] <mfa298> if someone does manage to compile it on 16.04 the should add to the instructions on the wiki
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-17 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
[11:00] <Bencls> mfa298 I'm struggling
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> I phase the two aerials for circular, or just switch between for V/H
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> I usually end up circular like now even as the aerials are swinging anyway!
[11:01] <Bencls> I think there is an error in new insatll.o
[11:01] <Bencls> dlfldigi-newinstall.o
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[11:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:03] <mfa298> Bencls: the .o files are intermediate files generated as it starts to compile things.
[11:03] <mfa298> so any error would be with the compiler or the original .c
[11:04] <Bencls> ik
[11:04] <Bencls> I'm having a look now
[11:05] <Bencls> something to do with the set_active() function not needing arguments and being called with two args
[11:05] <PE2BZ> !flights
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03UBSEDS18 434.612.5 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(64a5), 03MORPH 10(1e0c)
[11:05] <PE2BZ> !payload 1e0c
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03CHAS 10(1e0c) 03$$CHAS - 03PITS Test - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/740Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03NAILBRUSH 10(1e0c) 03$$NAILBRUSH - no transmissions
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03MORPH 10(1e0c) 03$$MORPH - no transmissions
[11:06] <PE2BZ> !dial 1e0c
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03CHAS 10(1e0c): none
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03NAILBRUSH 10(1e0c): none
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03MORPH 10(1e0c): none
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not seeing Morph or Chas, Nailbrush is fine
[11:09] <fsphil> there we go, first line from nailbrush
[11:09] <pjm> is the SSDV balloon up? nailbrush is a great copy via LoRA here
[11:10] <fsphil> it's the MORPH one
[11:10] <fsphil> on 869
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes MORPH is there just missed a few
[11:10] <Rebounder> richardeoin:
[11:11] <pjm> fsphil, thanks i'm monitoring both freqs
[11:13] <fsphil> yeah nailbrush decoding rather well here
[11:13] <Bencls> mfa298 oh well, I'll just have to roll back my os to Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) (which is the last official build)
[11:13] <Darkside> heh, nice high res images
[11:13] <fsphil> the 2x yagi's definitly helps
[11:13] <Bencls> is a yagi necessary
[11:13] <Bencls> for tracking a balloon
[11:14] <fsphil> not necessary, but can help in certain situations
[11:14] <fsphil> for me it helps as I'm quite far away
[11:14] <Bencls> but I can get away with my mag-mounted vertical?
[11:14] <fsphil> and it can help if you need to direction find a signal when it's on the ground
[11:14] <fsphil> oh yes
[11:17] <mfa298> Bencls: there are instructions on the wiki for trusty if you want to build from source
[11:19] <pjm> is the 434.250 tty tx on air?
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm not seeing it
[11:20] <pjm> ditto here
[11:20] <PE2BZ> me neither
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[11:25] <AndyEsser> !dial UBSEDS18
[11:25] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS18 10(64a5): 03434.6115 MHz, 434.611202 MHz, 434.6112 MHz, 434.6 MHz, 434.611499 MHz, 434.61128 MHz, 434.61002 MHz
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[11:32] <fsphil> I should've left the 869 yagi on too
[11:32] <pjm> i cannot see anything at all on 869 here
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[11:32] <pjm> the 434 lora is booming in tho
[11:33] <AndyEsser> doh forgot I can't use dl-fldigi + SDR over RDP :(
[11:33] <fsphil> tell rdp to leave audio on remote side
[11:34] <AndyEsser> faff
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[11:40] <pb0ahx> !dial 1e0c
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03CHAS 10(1e0c): none
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03NAILBRUSH 10(1e0c): none
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03MORPH 10(1e0c): none
[11:41] <pjm> is it possible to set your gndstation location in the habhub tracker to get az/el to balloon ?
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[11:42] <gonzo_> I think FLdigi will do that for you
[11:42] <gonzo_> there is some extra util to do rotator control
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah right that would explain why i'm getting lots of CRC errors on869.85 http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/MORPH_20160817/Screenshot-2016-08-17-124127.png
[11:43] <gonzo_> somenioe will probably jusm in here.....
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> See here how to set it http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/dl-fldigi/Capture6.JPG
[11:45] <pjm> ah yeah thanks i have fldigi set for that
[11:45] <pjm> just wondered if the habhub tracker could do the same
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you got upload ON it does do it, just select the flight and then look top right corner
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/index.php?ind=7
[11:48] <pjm> yeah thats what I need
[11:48] <pjm> how do I set my home location?
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thta's your own browser, need to enable send it
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I use an addon with FF to control location info
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> chrome://geolocater/content/geolocater.xul
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[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 0322 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03X1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X1
[12:01] <pjm> ah SSDV MI3Y9C: Image 152, Packet 35010
[12:02] <fsphil> that's no moon
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah aliens at 1 oclock!
[12:03] <Rebounder> :)
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[12:14] <pjm> lots of ssdv now on 869
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[12:16] <M0RJX> !flight nailbrush
[12:16] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Flight 10(1e0c): 03MORPH 10(3 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 08:00 from 10(51.95055,-2.54445)
[12:16] <fsphil> ah its has burst
[12:17] <M0RJX> humm how do you get the url for the flight?
[12:17] <M0RJX> Typical :-)
[12:17] <fsphil> !tracl NAILBRUSH
[12:17] <fsphil> !track evne
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=evne
[12:17] <fsphil> arg
[12:17] <fsphil> typing.. failing ...
[12:17] <M0RJX> !track nailbrush
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=nailbrush
[12:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just put the callsign in the searchbox
[12:18] <fsphil> or that
[12:18] <fsphil> no decodes here in a few minutes
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> then you can use ; to seperate more callsigns
[12:19] <pb0ahx> NAILBRUSH team mni tnx for flight was a good receiving on lora hier nice and good test for me tnx
[12:22] <M0RJX> Still good and I havent touched anything today appart from the initial setup :-)
[12:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8LXL-5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8LXL-5
[12:23] <fsphil> oh burst of good decodes down at 14km
[12:23] <M0RJX> 909 packets so far :-)
[12:24] <fsphil> 518 here
[12:24] <g8fjg> 15000packets sefar ..but losing it now
[12:26] <fsphil> packet every 6 seconds, probably about 90bit/s
[12:27] <fsphil> still decoding right on the horizon
[12:27] <M0RJX> morph image 46 is amazing !!!
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[12:28] <AndyEsser> errr
[12:28] <fsphil> hah
[12:29] <fsphil> looks like that's it for me
[12:30] <fsphil> 10561m was my last decode
[12:36] <fsphil> started decoding at 12km. wonder what the difference was
[12:36] <PE2BZ> !dial ubsed17
[12:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:36] <PE2BZ> !dial ubseds18
[12:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS18 10(64a5): 03434.6115 MHz, 434.6112 MHz, 434.61002 MHz, 434.6 MHz, 434.611499 MHz, 434.61128 MHz, 434.61229 MHz
[12:36] <fsphil> it was slightly closer on descent, maybe that
[12:37] <AndyEsser> fsphil: feel good to be back tracking again?
[12:37] <fsphil> good. though lora :)
[12:37] <daey> i still find it amazing how many balloons are being launched by hobbyists
[12:39] <fsphil> this is with the antennas in the attic, so could probably do better with something up on the roof
[12:41] <M0RJX> I'm still in at 5k on a whip :-)
[12:42] <M0RJX> 151Km apprently
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[12:42] <daey> one mighty whip
[12:43] <fsphil> the indiana jones of radio
[12:43] <M0RJX> lol
[12:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[12:44] <M0RJX> $$icarusIV,1,07:19:55,0.0000000,0.0000000,1,11,0.0,3,11,28.3*BB84
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[12:44] <M0RJX> I'm trying to manually post this but it's not working other thatn saying OK any thoughts on where to look?
[12:44] <daey> AndyEsser: have you finally managed to launched one? :>
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[12:45] <M0RJX> http://habitat.habhub.org/manual_upload/
[12:45] <daey> did*
[12:45] <daey> manage*
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[12:45] <daey> nvm...too many errors to correct ^_^
[12:46] <M0RJX> It's got a bloody big chute on it !
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
[12:48] <g8fjg> thats me done image 44 wallace and gromit?
[12:49] <fsphil> these images are too big for my monitor
[12:51] <g8fjg> 46 sorry
[12:54] <AndyEsser> daey: I helped launch one at EMF with the assistance of craag
[12:55] <AndyEsser> but not a tracker of my own
[12:55] <AndyEsser> he just ran me through filling etc
[12:55] <fsphil> soon(tm)
[12:55] <daey> AndyEsser: nice
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[12:57] <M0RJX> Near Haydons Bent :-)
[12:57] <AndyEsser> daey: hopefully can get around to launching my own
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[12:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03icarusIV - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
[12:59] <M0RJX> lol the tracker no like lat long 0,0
[13:00] <fsphil> where all good payloads go to die
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[13:02] <AndyEsser> Habuda Triangle
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[13:03] <daey> gigantic helium bubbles sink boats there
[13:04] <daveake> Chase team out on foot
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[13:12] <fsphil> hmm, looks like trees
[13:13] <daveake> it does
[13:14] <daveake> So close to landing on land
[13:15] <M0RJX> Humm cant postdata using curl obv have an IP check on the manual uploader
[13:15] <M0RJX> Any one know how to fix this or change it ?
[13:15] <daveake> It might be OK ... the main payload was at the bottom, and had no radio
[13:15] <M0RJX> :-)
[13:16] <daveake> So that one will be to the right of the others
[13:17] <fsphil> the IP of the browser posting shouldn't be any different to a script, if they're on the same machine at least
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[13:20] <M0RJX> fsphil, good point
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[13:21] <M0RJX> Humm I wonder why it only works from the manual parser.
[13:21] <fsphil> what response are you getting back?
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[13:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-11
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[13:27] <daveake> re image 46 ... yeah that was preset for 25km - same script as the pokemon one last flight
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[13:27] <daveake> no this will not be a habit :)
[13:31] <gonzo_> we'll have nun of that
[13:31] <fsphil> I have faith he won't do it again
[13:32] <Vaizki> at least he confessed
[13:33] <gonzo_> I asked hymn about that
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[14:29] <PE2BZ> I like the preset image at 25 km much better then the Lego dolls in front of the camera all flight long.
[14:30] <PE2BZ> received 633 LoRa packets at 434.450 Mhz today (about 14 km to burst and down to 14 km) but only 37 got registered on habitat´s Pie
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[14:51] <daveake> morph recovered
[14:51] <AndyEsser> was someone on the recovery team wearing a morph suit?
[14:52] <daveake> no but I'm wearing a morph shirt :)
[14:52] <AndyEsser> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0e/95/40/0e95403536d627764474729a0e2197f2.jpg
[14:52] <daveake> And I had the surreal experience of Peter Lord making a fresh Morph in the passenger seat as I drove :)
[14:52] <daveake> anyway off for a drink, laterz
[14:53] <AndyEsser> cia
[14:53] <AndyEsser> ciao*
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[15:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MYM after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MYM
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[17:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> sdr-console v3 preview 3 is out http://sdr-radio.com/v3_preview_downloads
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[17:06] <PE2BZ> Nice ! Thanks Mike
[17:17] <Maxell> gqrx also finishing up
[17:19] <Vaizki> How stable is v3 now?
[17:21] <PE2BZ> The previous preview ran without problems for me.
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[17:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-6 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-6
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[18:26] <M0RJX> Is there anyone on here intemently connected to the CouchDB payload_telmetary schema?
[18:27] <M0RJX> intimately even
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[18:41] Action: M0RJX thinks everyone has fallen silent
[18:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Zew Przestworzy_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Zew%20Przestworzy_chase
[18:44] <craag> heh
[18:45] <craag> only the unicorns you're looking for
[18:45] <craag> I know a little of the couch interface - what do you want to know?
[18:59] <M0RJX> well the raw data sould that include the receiver too
[19:01] <M0RJX> and then put the payload only data in _sentance?
[19:02] <Vaizki> http://habitat.habhub.org/jse/#schemas/payload_telemetry.json
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[19:02] <Vaizki> that help?
[19:02] <M0RJX> You might find this a little different https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=12&qm=All&mc=-0.00258,-0.01765&f=icarusIV&q=icarusIV
[19:04] <M0RJX> Vaizki, sort of I've read this
[19:05] <M0RJX> New speed record of 2218 m/s :-)
[19:05] <craag> M0RJX: AN example I currently have open: http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_view/flight_payload_time?startkey=[%22b013dc2b7604d5a568d29650332297b8%22,%22dac346e8693709a23cc6ceb218cf544b%22,[]]&endkey=[%22b013dc2b7604d5a568d29650332297b8%22,%22dac346e8693709a23cc6ceb218cf544b%22]&include_docs=True&descending=True&limit=1
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[19:07] <M0RJX> craag, you're the man
[19:07] <M0RJX> Do you like my test flight
[19:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Zew _chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Zew%20_chase
[19:08] <M0RJX> It also shows how shit my connection is here on holiday?
[19:08] <craag> hah
[19:09] <craag> that's great
[19:09] <M0RJX> Lost packets show as lines on the payload path
[19:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MIKEL-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-3
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[19:20] <fsphil> !hysplit UBSEDS18
[19:20] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: HYSPLIT for 03UBSEDS18 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/160817-16_112175_UBSEDS18.gif
[19:20] <fsphil> aww, not getting any closer
[19:21] <richardeoin> :(
[19:21] <richardeoin> thanks to everyone who has tracker ubseds today
[19:21] <richardeoin> so much tracking
[19:22] <richardeoin> it'll run out of power when the 'battery' voltage gets to 1.9V or so
[19:22] <richardeoin> won't be too long now
[19:22] <richardeoin> and hopefully come back on an hour or two after dawn
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[19:28] <richardeoin> oop, or rather 2.2V is where it runs out of power
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[19:32] <udat> wondered what happened there
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[20:10] <fsphil> rtl_tcp running over wifi. probably too late for ubseds18 anyway
[20:11] <fsphil> yeah last heard 48m ago
[20:29] <richardeoin> mm solar only payloads suck :(
[20:29] <richardeoin> just put up the page about it http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/08/17/ubseds18.html
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[20:40] <Upu> uh sorry missed that one
[20:41] <Upu> ping me next time :)
[20:44] <udat> richardeoin: first time listened for one, nice to see pics of it :)
[20:45] <richardeoin> Upu: you'll probably be able to receive it when it re-starts in the morning
[20:45] <richardeoin> somewhere to the north-east of you probably
[20:46] <fsphil> li-ion capacitor?
[20:46] <fsphil> isn't that just a battery
[20:51] <Upu> suspect it will be too far north
[20:52] <Upu> that said depends if it goes east
[20:53] <Upu> !dial UBSEDS18
[20:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS18 10(64a5): 03434.610916 MHz, 434.61254 MHz, 434.61138 MHz, 434.611 MHz, 434.6116 MHz, 434.6115 MHz, 434.611499 MHz, 434.61128 MHz
[20:56] <Upu> ok I've pointed the antenna in the general direction and will leave the radio on
[20:56] <Upu> Sunrise @ 5:52am
[21:00] <richardeoin> okay, that's great
[21:01] <richardeoin> might take an hour or two to get going
[21:03] <richardeoin> fsphil: yeah, kinda
[21:04] <richardeoin> it's rated to 10,000 cycles though (item 5 on the reliability table)
[21:06] <Ian_> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/17/worlds-largest-aircraft-the-airlander-takes-first-flight/ What, no flightdoc?
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[21:22] <M0RJX> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=10&qm=All&mc=-0.01202,-0.00151&f=icarusIV&q=icarusIV I think i'm going to be fine over the gps boundries
[21:24] <M0RJX> now moving at 7418 m/s SPeed of sound ?
[21:26] <Upu> impressive Rob :)
[21:27] <M0RJX> Upu, :-)
[21:27] <Upu> hey this is a bit old school
[21:27] <Upu> testing payloads
[21:27] <M0RJX> It's an archimedies spiral
[21:27] <Upu> with a missing packet or 2 :)
[21:27] <M0RJX> Hey I'm old schoold
[21:28] <M0RJX> Yep that's a graphical representation of how crap the internet is on the island
[21:28] <Upu> lol
[21:28] <Upu> is that transmitting now ?
[21:28] <M0RJX> It stops at 1 degree latitude
[21:28] <M0RJX> alt 10053m
[21:29] <M0RJX> Thought it would be a good test of the dp.s between 0 and 1
[21:29] <M0RJX> THen chuckin a few other large ones to do final chaecks
[21:29] <M0RJX> Yep
[21:30] <M0RJX> All passing through the 328p and then fired up with my uploader to habhub
[21:30] <Upu> frequency ?
[21:30] <Upu> and mode ?
[21:32] <M0RJX> No radio atm
[21:32] <Upu> ah ok
[21:32] <M0RJX> This is testing reading the ubx protocol all held in integers
[21:32] <Upu> would be surprised if I couldn't RX you here
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[21:32] <Upu> so when you're ready to radio :)
[21:33] <M0RJX> That is next
[21:33] <M0RJX> I've also worked out the problem with the lora-gw not passsing in packets propery and I will release a fix for it tomorrow
[21:33] <M0RJX> So everyone who receives is recognised
[21:34] <M0RJX> I'm going to hit 10km a second soon.
[21:35] <M0RJX> i'm just off the coast of africa. Acording to my telem string 1500km
[21:35] <Laurenceb__> looks like lithium ion supercaps dont like the cold
[21:35] <Laurenceb__> pity
[21:36] <M0RJX> 6050km actually
[21:36] <Upu> ah thats interesting M0RJX
[21:37] <Upu> I wasn't appearing earlier on
[21:38] <M0RJX> Yeah basically everyone sends in exactly the same document. So I'm modding it to change the document id slightly for every user by putting their call sign in the raw data that gets hashed to couchdb
[21:39] <M0RJX> Then every document is unique
[21:39] <richardeoin> Laurenceb__: not sure if it was the cold, or the tracker just used up all the energy
[21:39] <M0RJX> and everyone gets logged properly
[21:39] <M0RJX> at them omnet the fastest one to couchdb wins
[21:39] <M0RJX> at the moment
[21:39] <Laurenceb__> richardeoin: huh? Surely you know expected power draw?
[21:40] <richardeoin> Laurenceb__: okay - it probably used up all the energy
[21:40] <Laurenceb__> heh I see
[21:40] <richardeoin> 40F * (3.8-2.2) / 0.02 A = 3200s
[21:40] <Laurenceb__> 20mA is high
[21:41] <richardeoin> meh, it's a ublox
[21:41] <Laurenceb__> fair enough
[21:41] <Laurenceb__> you could reach -20C in a freezer
[21:41] <Laurenceb__> would be interesting to test at low temp
[21:42] <Laurenceb__> for B series LeoBodnar ran a load of different lipos in a chest freezer
[21:42] <richardeoin> 30mA from the radio at ~20% duty cycle is 6mA also
[21:42] <Laurenceb__> ah its in "UK" mode?
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> Most freezers with a 'boost' button will go rather lower than -20C.
[21:43] <Laurenceb__> sending RTTY
[21:43] <richardeoin> this one just does contestia once per minute everywhere
[21:43] <Laurenceb__> ok
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> Mine will hit -45C after a couple of days.
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> this can be really useful for testing
[21:43] <richardeoin> I can get -65 in a freezer if I can be bothered to organise a time with the lab tech :p
[21:44] <richardeoin> (everywhere - ie. not China, NK, Yemen...)
[21:47] <richardeoin> M0RJX: that's a solution, but it means that when you go to http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/ you'll get a line for each receiver, rather than just one per packet
[21:47] <richardeoin> if they're position packets, it also means the map will have to load a point for each receiver
[21:48] <richardeoin> so if there's 5 receivers, thats 5x more data the map has to download, and 5x more data it has to render
[21:48] <richardeoin> which isn't great
[21:57] <Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/a/C9TuJ
[21:58] <Laurenceb__> looks like some fairly significant changes made to ablatives and stuff
[21:58] <Laurenceb__> seems they replaced cork with some ceramic fibre panels in places, looks like it held up much better
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[22:10] <richardeoin> M0RJX: This problem with not all documents being accepted is documented deep within habitat https://github.com/ukhas/habitat/blob/develop/habitat/views/payload_telemetry.py#L258
[22:10] <richardeoin> because of how the database works, you might sometimes get save conflicts
[22:11] <richardeoin> if that happens you should retry
[22:14] <Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37112292
[22:16] <M0RJX> richardeoin, should the telemetry for payload have the same hash from everyone who recieves it?
[22:16] <M0RJX> or should the hash be unique for each listener?
[22:17] <richardeoin> that hash should be the same from everyone who recieves it
[22:18] <richardeoin> then all the uploads with the same hash can be combined to get a single datapoint on the map
[22:21] <richardeoin> that's how lora gateway currently does it, which is correct :)
[22:23] <M0RJX> cool but if I try to add the listener again it throws an error
[22:24] <M0RJX> richardeoin, so should we keep sending the data till it's accepted ?
[22:24] <M0RJX> I'll do some more testing tomorrow and see if the packet does go up
[22:25] <M0RJX> encoded data=JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK
[22:25] <M0RJX> {"data": {"_raw": "JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK"},"receivers": {"M0RJX-LGW": {"time_created": "2016-08-17T18:58:31Z","time_uploaded": "2016-08-17T18:58:31Z"}}}
[22:25] <M0RJX> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_update/add_listener/7f8fb88a863c0ba8cfc721acf4f0962cd8cdea0d359d522f400e88cc45541768
[22:25] <M0RJX> 7f8fb88a863c0ba8cfc721acf4f0962cd8cdea0d359d522f400e88cc45541768
[22:25] <M0RJX> {"error":"forbidden","reason":"May not edit or remove receivers."}
[22:26] <M0RJX> OKsh.exe"-3.1$
[22:26] <M0RJX> RIght it looks like the packet is accepted but the listerner is not added again
[22:27] <richardeoin> yup - if the response is 409 Conflict you should send it again
[22:28] <richardeoin> here's how dl-fldigi does it https://github.com/ukhas/habitat-cpp-connector/blob/master/src/Uploader.cxx#L148
[22:30] <M0RJX> Is this why we don't get added as payload decoders as we all receive the data at the same time and post at the same time and this over whelms habhub?
[22:30] <richardeoin> the problem you're having in the line pasted at 23:25:56 is different
[22:31] <richardeoin> there's already a listener on that document called "M0RJX-LGW"
[22:31] <M0RJX> and this happens in the gateway as everyone will try to add a listener
[22:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MIKEL-1 after 0321 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-1
[22:31] <M0RJX> there is no check to see if the listener exists before creating one
[22:33] <richardeoin> but usually everyone picks different listener names
[22:34] <M0RJX> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway/blob/master/habitat.c
[22:34] <M0RJX> richardeoin, see line 92 and 107
[22:35] <richardeoin> yup
[22:35] <M0RJX> This is wrong then we should have our own listeners ?
[22:35] <M0RJX> one per uploader or one per telemetry data?
[22:37] <richardeoin> that code is correct
[22:37] <richardeoin> you submit {"data": {"_raw": "JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK"},"receivers": {"M0RJX-LGW": {"time_created": "2016-08-17T18:58:31Z","time_uploaded":"2016-08-17T18:58:31Z"}}}
[22:37] <richardeoin> I submit {"data": {"_raw": "JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK"},"receivers": {"M0SBU": {"time_created": "2016-08-17T18:58:33Z","time_uploaded":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z"}}}
[22:38] <M0RJX> and the listener is
[22:38] <richardeoin> and habitat merges them fine
[22:38] <richardeoin> in your case the listener is "M0RJX-LGW" and in mine "M0SBU"
[22:38] <M0RJX> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_update/add_listener/7f8fb88a863c0ba8cfc721acf4f0962cd8cdea0d359d522f400e88cc45541768
[22:39] <M0RJX> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_update/add_listener/7f8fb88a863c0ba8cfc721acf4f0962cd8cdea0d359d522f400e88cc45541768 for both of us?
[22:39] <M0RJX> opps screen stopped scrollig?
[22:40] <M0RJX> ahh I see what your saying but the url we post to also called a listener is the same?
[22:42] <richardeoin> yes, we both post to that url
[22:42] <M0RJX> So the first person creates the listener
[22:42] <M0RJX> the second person will get {"error":"forbidden","reason":"May not edit or remove receivers."}
[22:42] <richardeoin> the naming is really bad
[22:43] <M0RJX> but will get an OK for the telemetery upload
[22:44] <richardeoin> the second person will only get that error if they try to add listeners that have already been added
[22:44] <richardeoin> so you post {"data": {"_raw": "JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK"},"receivers": {"M0RJX-LGW": {"time_created":"2016-08-17T18:58:31Z","time_uploaded":"2016-08-17T18:58:31Z"}}} to http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_update/add_listener/7f8fb88a863c0ba8cfc721acf4f0962cd8cdea0d359d522f400e88cc45541768
[22:44] <richardeoin> that works
[22:44] <richardeoin> I post {"data": {"_raw": "JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK"},"receivers": {"M0SBU": {"time_created":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z","time_uploaded":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z"}}} to http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_telemetry/_update/add_listener/7f8fb88a863c0ba8cfc721acf4f0962cd8cdea0d359d522f400e88cc45541768
[22:44] <richardeoin> also works
[22:45] <richardeoin> if joe blogs then tries {"data": {"_raw": "JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK"},"receivers": {"M0RJX-LGW":{"time_created":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z","time_uploaded":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z"}}} to the same
[22:46] <richardeoin> he'll get a Forbidden error
[22:46] <richardeoin> because "M0RJX-LGW" is taken
[22:46] <M0RJX> ahh ok is the error {"error":"forbidden","reason":"May not edit or remove receivers."} due to me being the same receiver
[22:46] <richardeoin> yes
[22:46] <M0RJX> Right I'm with you thanks for taking the time to explain this
[22:46] <richardeoin> you're trying to 'edit' a receiver
[22:47] <M0RJX> So I need to check for http fails and retry if we don't succeed
[22:47] <richardeoin> yeah, that problem is more subtle
[22:48] <richardeoin> so joe tries again {"data": {"_raw": "JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK"},"receivers":{"JOE"::{"time_created":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z","time_uploaded":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z"}}}
[22:48] <richardeoin> that works
[22:48] <M0RJX> 409's as you say. As many of us today uploaded hundereds of lora packets but only got recognied for about 1 in 20
[22:49] <richardeoin> now sarah blogs is also uploading {"data": {"_raw": "JCRpY2FydXNJViwxNDk1LDA3OjQ0OjQ5LDAuMDQwNTAzMCwtMC4xNDM5MDksMTQ5NSwxNjYyLDcxLjgsMywxMSwyOC4zKjExQkQK"},"receivers":"SARAH":{"time_created":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z","time_uploaded":"2016-08-17T18:58:33Z"}}}
[22:49] <richardeoin> if her upload hits the database *while it's still merging Joe's with ours*
[22:50] <richardeoin> then she gets a 409
[22:50] <richardeoin> and her upload doesn't get recorded
[22:50] <richardeoin> Sarah is sad :(
[22:50] <M0RJX> cool curl will return this and we can deal with it by retrying
[22:51] <M0RJX> I think this is in a thread so we could wait for a random short period and retry
[22:51] <M0RJX> Try three times and bail out
[22:51] <richardeoin> yeah, that sounds great
[22:52] <M0RJX> I assume the server isn't likely to reject it too many times
[22:54] <M0RJX> I guess with lora we are all hitting the server at the same time and it balks at the load. Does this show in the logs?
[22:55] <M0RJX> /var/log/httpd/http.errors something like that?
[22:56] <richardeoin> three would be a reasonable number of re-tries
[22:56] <richardeoin> it's possibly overloading the database a bit
[22:56] <M0RJX> with random millisecond wait or are we talking seconds
[22:56] <richardeoin> I don't think I have access to those logs
[22:57] <richardeoin> The #habhub channel is the place to ask
[22:58] <richardeoin> we're talking milliseconds
[22:58] <M0RJX> Probably where I should have been tonight
[22:58] <richardeoin> dl-fldigi doesn't wait at all, just re-tries as fast as it can
[22:59] <adamgreig> put the retry limit at 50x or something and falloff between retries
[22:59] <adamgreig> a bit of random waiting would help ease the db load
[22:59] <M0RJX> Ok I'll have a go at putting this in place looking at the dl-fldigi code and test it on the next lora flight
[22:59] <adamgreig> but yea if you can just copy what fldigi does that'd be good
[23:00] <M0RJX> I can do that fail out with increaing delays up to 50 times quite easily
[23:00] <M0RJX> It has a name like a backing off algorytm
[23:01] <M0RJX> I think we're done on this otherwise i'd move it to #habhub
[23:02] <adamgreig> yep
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[23:40] <Ian_> PE2BZ Ben, I think that you can safely say that someone is now working on the problem of LoRa packets not being credited
[23:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NAILBRUSH after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAILBRUSH
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