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[00:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AFB_STN - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AFB_STN
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[05:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-12
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[05:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
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[07:23] <AndyEsser> morning
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[07:40] <fsphil> g'mo
[07:43] <number10> anyone know of any launches from cambridge over the week?
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[07:58] <pb0ahx> GM all
[07:58] <pb0ahx> !flights
[07:58] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
[07:59] <fsphil> sounds like easyjet
[07:59] Nick change: pb0ahx -> PB0AHX-BRB
[07:59] <AndyEsser> ha
[08:01] <mfa298> maybe they're taking lessons from southern rail
[08:02] <fsphil> I've been lucky with the english rail system. only had a replacement bus service once
[08:02] <daveake> The one time that happened to me, they put me on the wrong bus
[08:03] <daveake> Ended up in Brum instead of Rugby
[08:03] <daveake> Then the bus back (to Coventry) broke down
[08:03] <daveake> That was a fun trip
[08:03] <fsphil> ooch
[08:04] <daveake> One other passenger was in the same boat
[08:04] <daveake> (no not quite literally)
[08:04] <number10> I was going to say
[08:04] <daveake> and was going nuts as he had a plane to catch
[08:04] <daveake> boat might have been quicker
[08:05] <number10> are you doing anymore launches this way soon daveake ?
[08:08] <daveake> Not planned, no
[08:08] <fsphil> I've a thing to test, need to set a launch date or I'll never get it done
[08:08] <number10> have to take a bottle back with over 2 m3 of helium
[08:08] <PE2BZ> I vote for Thursdays :-)
[08:09] <fsphil> hah, it'll be a weekend
[08:09] <PE2BZ> Weekends are also allright ;-)
[08:13] <gonzo_> I hate giving gas back. Last time I decanted it inbto any other bottles I could find
[08:14] <gonzo_> assume not poss for a bottle with built in reg
[08:14] <gonzo_> unles syou fill your loft
[08:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NAILBRUSH - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAILBRUSH
[08:14] <number10> loft is a little leaky
[08:14] <gonzo_> line it with a huge polly bag
[08:15] <fsphil> I've a BOC bottle in the garage, no idea if there's enough in it
[08:15] <gonzo_> getting it back out could be interesting
[08:15] <fsphil> will find out on launch day
[08:15] <daveake> best time
[08:16] <AndyEsser> I need to just order some Picos and a bottle of case
[08:16] <AndyEsser> s/case/gas
[08:16] <gonzo_> I started refilling the disposable he cylinders and also used an emptu propane bottle
[08:16] <fsphil> might enquire about the genie bottles for next time
[08:16] <fsphil> seen the one craag brought to emf, it looks very neat
[08:16] <AndyEsser> because it has an LCD screen on it?
[08:16] <AndyEsser> :P
[08:16] <fsphil> YES
[08:16] <gonzo_> they do look to be a more manageable option
[08:16] <fsphil> all things should have an LCD/LED screen
[08:17] <number10> aparently genie bottle hire is a little more expensive than the std botttles
[08:18] <gonzo_> prob compensated by the ease of getting them returned, so you do it quicker
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[08:21] <Whiteg6> !flights
[08:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Whiteg6: There are no flights currently :(
[08:22] <fsphil> I was going to do a pico, but now tempted to do another 1.6kg floater
[08:24] <fsphil> ok maybe not, http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=4f0a0476c8f8b2314a5b67efd64daaab97c27cb7
[08:25] <AndyEsser> I want to do a floater,
[08:26] <AndyEsser> but that's down the line
[08:26] <AndyEsser> I might just do a couple pico's a month for a while
[08:26] <fsphil> up in the air, so to speak
[08:26] <AndyEsser> build up some experience
[08:27] <fsphil> I like the floaters, it's a strange combo of large balloon and tiny payload
[08:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SnkMtn_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SnkMtn_chase
[08:28] <number10> you should go for that fsphil.. do reverse transatlantic crossing
[08:28] <number10> I think someone attempted it before
[08:30] <fsphil> it would take too long, the latex wouldn't last
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[08:31] <daveake> The Genies are nice. You don't get the LCD on H2 (wonder why ...) but they are half the weight of the steel cylinders, half the height, and have handles
[08:32] <daveake> No more trying to shift 70kg H2 cylinders. Yippee.
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[08:37] <number10> I suppose I could do a pico with some of the gas
[08:38] <PE2BZ> H2 cylinders should be carried with a rope, self flying, like a balloon
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[08:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MORPH - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MORPH
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[08:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHAS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHAS
[08:58] <craag> I still have a third of that genie bottle left :)
[08:58] <craag> got it through balloonhelium btw
[08:58] <craag> http://balloonhelium.co.uk/main/pricing
[08:59] <craag> It's the 5.21m3 (note it's lighter than the 3.6m3..)
[08:59] <AndyEsser> shame I wasn't able to launch :(
[08:59] Action: AndyEsser weeps
[08:59] <AndyEsser> actually the price of a Jumbo Cylinder isn't as bad as I'd have thought
[09:00] <craag> It's pretty much ~£55 for cylinder hire, and then paying for helium on top of that
[09:00] <craag> (inc vat)
[09:01] <craag> the 5.21 genie was only £10 more than the 5kg heavier 3.6
[09:01] <number10> thats no bad
[09:01] <number10> not
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[09:02] <craag> so really I only needed 3.6, but it was worth the extra £10 to have more, and easier to carry :)
[09:03] <AndyEsser> craag: I notice we didn't put parachutes on the emf balloons, when the payload is that small, are they not needed?
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[09:04] <craag> errm, with the polystyrene/foam and small payload mass I was happy without a parachute
[09:04] <AndyEsser> fair enough
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[09:04] <craag> I think the first one descended at ~6-7m/s
[09:05] <gonzo_> I have put a rough carrier bag chute on my latex pico's, as that can be scrunched up enough to not break the notam limits
[09:06] <AndyEsser> Yea, think I won't bother with anything too big for a while, just do a bunch of picos
[09:06] <gonzo_> and assume that the initial decent will be enough to unravel it
[09:06] <AndyEsser> with some rapid iteration
[09:06] <gonzo_> though my payloads have been a ball of bubble wrap. For safety and insulation
[09:07] <AndyEsser> my copper mate that's staying with atm is convinced I'm trying to spy on my neighbours with my antenna
[09:08] <gonzo_> I put a nanobridge wlan dish on a pole at the front of the hosue. The neigbours have skylights in their roof into the bedroom
[09:09] <gonzo_> the guy wound his missus us for months that I was spying through at her
[09:09] <AndyEsser> haha
[09:10] <gonzo_> with the number of cams I have around the house, it was not an issue to coinvince her
[09:17] <AndyEsser> perv
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[09:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AFB_STN after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AFB_STN
[09:40] <gonzo_> hehe, around MY house !
[09:41] Action: AndyEsser gets more concerned...
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[10:00] <WillDWork> quick question to the community: which is the 'better' arduino site to be using these days? and is anyone using that cloud editor?
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[10:29] <PB0AHX-BRB> !flights
[10:29] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX-BRB: There are no flights currently :(
[10:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> new rtl-sdr blog dongle out http://www.rtl-sdr.com/new-rtl-sdr-blog-units-now-available-in-store-hf-via-direct-sampling-software-switchable-bias-tee-less-noisespurs/
[10:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> looks interesing, orded one to accompany my rtl-sdr v2 dongle :)
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[10:44] <fsphil> neat
[10:54] <PB0AHX-BRB> NAILBRUSH going flying today ????
[10:54] <AndyEsser> tomorrow I believe
[10:55] <PB0AHX-BRB> ok tnx info
[10:55] <AndyEsser> as per launch announcement on the mailing list
[10:55] <PB0AHX-BRB> i must refresh my mailbox
[10:55] <AndyEsser> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
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[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sam_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sam_chase
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[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OM3BC-13 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-13
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[12:16] <samme> Hi. http://i.imgur.com/XDQq4IA.png, I m not able to my payload in flight
[12:17] <samme> find* my payload in flight dropdown box
[12:17] <AndyEsser> Payloads and Flights are separate
[12:17] <AndyEsser> You create a Payload document on habhub, and this explains how to decode a message
[12:17] <AndyEsser> Once that's all tested, you then create a Flight document, which lists payloads and flight times etc
[12:18] <AndyEsser> once that gets confirmed in #habhub it'll appear in dl-fldigi
[12:19] <samme> understood. How should I create a document on habhub?
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[12:20] <samme> thanks :D
[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Also check the domain itself for all the other facilities available
[12:22] <AndyEsser> samme: remember that only a flight doc will make something appear in dl-fldigi
[12:22] <AndyEsser> for testing, you'll need to manually configure fldigi
[12:22] <AndyEsser> don't request a flight doc until you've tested a payload, otherwise you will fear the wrath of the #habhub admins
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Flight docs are only needed for rel flights they have a time window associated with them as well.
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> real*
[12:23] <samme> how long do they take to fill it out and get approved?
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> To fll out as long as it takes you to type
[12:24] <samme> and approval? :D
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> to approve a few hours at worst, but can be done in advance so as to get everyone more warning
[12:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> you get approval in channel #habhub take a look back and you will see aprrovals
[12:25] <AndyEsser> samme: when are you planning your flight?
[12:25] <samme> August end probably
[12:25] <samme> not confirmed
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> a few days in advance if your reasonably certain of flight and winds then.
[12:26] <AndyEsser> Yea, create the flight doc in the week leading up to the flight
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> but can be done much closer if your not certain
[12:26] <AndyEsser> when you've done that, paste the flight doc id into #habhub and a kind person should be along to approve, as long as info is correct
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> but trackers won't see it in the calendar until neary the time!
[12:27] <AndyEsser> samme: also, if memory serves, you're quite close to me, need an extra pair of hands?
[12:27] <samme> actually I m focusing on my dissertation (writing part)
[12:28] <samme> which on HAB project
[12:28] <samme> is on*
[12:28] <AndyEsser> nice
[12:29] <samme> I have assembled everything. Just few days back had issues with GPS, else everythng is working smoothly
[12:30] <samme> I will definitely knock for help once I m done with report :D
[12:31] <samme> just one last thing, I cant possible display a payload on habhub tracker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofxy9Z6Rsqk) like this person did? was able to get my car chase on there
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> When you send data up from dl-fldigi the payload will appear
[12:32] <fsphil> that's the old spacenear.us map
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> you can do it now
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> you have a payload document I think you said ?
[12:33] <samme> I was checking on habhub tracker
[12:33] <samme> payload document?
[12:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> To tell tI gave you earlierhe tracker how to decode your payload telemetry on the link
[12:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> oops!
[12:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> you need a payload document to tell habitat how to decode your payload telemetry
[12:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> then it will appear on the map when you send telemetry in from dl-fldigi
[12:34] <AndyEsser> samme: a payload document is what you generate using the link Geoff-G8DHE-Lap gave you earlier
[12:35] <samme> ohhhh. I can do that now?
[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes
[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> you later create the Flight document when you know when and where the flight will be
[12:35] <samme> flight document is a different thing in that case?
[12:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes go read the page I gave you a link to its tells you what each thing does!
[12:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[12:37] <samme> okay. thanks :D
[12:40] <AndyEsser> o0o decent number of people coming to the conference :)
[12:41] <AndyEsser> Emma Leedham listed twice?
[12:41] <AndyEsser> also, no edmoore ? :(
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Just hoping Southern Rail will be running, otherwise will have to try coaches out!
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> Clones.
[12:41] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: coming from where?
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Worthing Sussex, there might be a few people coming along the Coast so ight be lucky ;-)
[12:43] <AndyEsser> Sorry, senior moment, was still thinking conference was in london
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Plannin gon coming up Friday and back Sunday at present
[12:44] <edmoore> AndyEsser: i think i am busy during the day
[12:44] <edmoore> i might try and come for the evening
[12:45] <AndyEsser> Ah ok
[12:46] <AndyEsser> Well I'll be heading down Friday and back home on the Sunday so if there are social wotsits bookending the conference, then great
[12:46] <AndyEsser> if not, I'll work my way around remaining friends in Cambridge
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I think lots of people are coming for the 3 days
[12:47] Action: AndyEsser needs to check hotel has parking
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[13:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MYM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MYM
[13:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-16 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-16
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[14:13] <Ian_> Arundel House Hotel has parking AndyEsser
[14:14] <AndyEsser> I'm at the Hilton
[14:16] <AndyEsser> apparently does have parking, good
[14:21] <fsphil> I keep typing Arduino Hotel
[14:22] <AndyEsser> lol
[14:22] <AndyEsser> bad fsphil
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[14:24] <daveake> sleep(8);
[14:24] <daveake> serial.eat();
[14:24] <daveake> exit;
[14:25] <daveake> Proper breakfast is a) extra b) worth it
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[14:27] <AndyEsser> daveake: cereal.eat();
[14:27] <AndyEsser> :P
[14:29] <daveake> unknown object cereal
[14:30] <daveake> permission thru for tomorrow so the flight will go ahead now
[14:30] <mfa298> if you put too much milk on your serial so it becomes soft does it muck up all your timings ?
[14:30] <daveake> ho ho ho :)
[14:30] <mfa298> sorry
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[14:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AFB_STN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AFB_STN_chase
[14:36] <number10> I guess someone may get a free parachute in their shredded wheat soon, as I didnt manage to find it with the payload last week
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[14:37] <number10> maybe they get a shredded parachute
[14:37] <daveake> Habbies
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[14:55] <fsphil> the reviews arundel on tripadvisor suggest it's quite an old "quirky" building
[14:56] <fsphil> reviews of*
[14:56] <daveake> yeah it is a bit
[14:57] <fsphil> "A severe rain and hailstorm resulted in a flood in our room as water poured through the ceiling and onto the carpet"
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[15:00] <gonzo_> I would have thought that most people would be staying in bhe uni accom next door?
[15:00] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: what kind of man do you take me for...
[15:03] <fsphil> I thought about it, but the shared facilities would be annoying
[15:04] <AndyEsser> yea...
[15:04] <AndyEsser> I'm not 18 anymore
[15:04] <AndyEsser> don't want to feel like I'm backpacking in Thailand
[15:04] <AndyEsser> :P
[15:05] <mattbrejza> there arnt any uni rooms with ensuite?
[15:05] <Vaizki> yes that would be definitely too much fun for anyone to handle :)
[15:05] <gonzo_> I must be more tight, than proud!
[15:05] <gonzo_> mattbrejza, there are
[15:06] <PE2BZ> daveake good afternoon. For upcoming flights in the future, could you consider frequencies 12.5 kc up or down from the rounded 434.250 and or 434.450 ? Those frequencies are (at least on working days) crowded in the west part of Holland.
[15:06] <Ian_> I certainly had a weekend a few decades ago at Nottingham Uni where the facilities were private
[15:06] <gonzo_> if you have to share facilities with your own kids, anything in a halls block will be in improvement
[15:07] <Ian_> :)
[15:07] <fsphil> hmm, I didn't see any on the website
[15:07] <gonzo_> when the amsat bash was in the surrey uni accom, it was all fine
[15:08] <fsphil> ah well, booked in to the arundel now. (seriously, I keep typing arduino)
[15:08] <Ian_> I think that the last two years were 64 and 69 attendees, or thereabouts. A bit of a rush towards the due date.
[15:09] <Ian_> just to keep the organisers on their toes as to catering numbers. So book up now folks.
[15:10] <Ian_> We need the https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2016 link at the top of this page
[15:12] Topic changed on #highaltitude by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.: Welcome to #highaltitude - UKHAS 2016 Conference Tickets now available https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2016 Please read the wiki - http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk
[15:13] <Ian_> Thank you, who did that for us please?
[15:14] <AndyEsser> magical HABby pixies
[15:14] <Ian_> A bit more substantial than that, i'm sure.
[15:19] <fsphil> the bacon fairies
[15:23] <mfa298> the times I've been to other conferences held at a Uni I've had a halls cupboard with en-suite. The size of some of them I'm not sure you'de call it a room :p
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[15:32] <Ian_> Ticks a few boxes though, en-suite, cheap, as long as the bed is big enough to sleep in without feet hanging over the end.
[15:44] <fsphil> comfie bed, en-suite and good breakfast. air-conditioning would be nice too but unlikely for cheap hotels
[15:45] <AndyEsser> "King Deluxe Room" :)
[15:45] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PIckHrZ0o
[15:45] <AndyEsser> I genuinely have no idea if I get breakfast included...
[15:46] <fsphil> I have the continental breakfast, which I presume is a lump of bread and orange juice.
[15:47] <daveake> Nah it's not bad, but man up and go for the bacon fry up :)
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[15:47] <fsphil> yeah probably will
[15:48] Action: AndyEsser gourges himself on sausages and hash browns and coffee
[15:50] <daveake> You need a proper breakfast otherwise you'll be asleep before my talk
[15:50] <daveake> instead of during
[15:51] <AndyEsser> looking forward to the conference
[15:51] <AndyEsser> although going to miss a bunch of stuff due to license exam :(
[15:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03S-17 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-17
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[17:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03POKE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=POKE
[17:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-8
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[18:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS18 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS18
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[18:51] <michemto> Note: One flight waiting for it's approval @ #habhub
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[18:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> We have a spare slot for launch @ 09:00 UTC tomorrow could someone please fill it to make getting up @ 07:00 sensible :-;
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[19:03] <richardeoin> Laurenceb: launch tomorrow has one of those supercaps you found http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/396/taiyoyuden_capacitor03_e-890446.pdf
[19:03] <richardeoin> thanks for that
[19:04] <richardeoin> hopefully it'll float and we'll get to find out how well it works in the cold
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[19:12] <Vaizki> oops test equipment overload, bought a 13GHz anritsu spectrum analyzer & transmitter test unit
[19:13] <Vaizki> now I need to unload a bunch of lesser boat anchors...
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[20:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AFB_STN after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AFB_STN
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[22:42] <Laurenceb__> didnt see this one coming https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/4y0z6e/toray_carbon_fiber_to_carry_spacexs_mars/?st=iry208fm&sh=c1ab1cbf
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[23:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:08] <michemto> Another flight from Estonia will be launched on Thursday, 18.08.16. High altitude balloon with callsign POKE is scheduled to be launched at 13:00 EEST (10:00 UTC) from Viljandi city. The exact time of launch may change depending on the wind direction, the estimated time window for this will be around 13:00-14:00 local time). The duration of the flight will be around 2-3 hours. More info in Estonian: https://www.faceboo
[23:08] <fsphil> the end of your message got chopped off
[23:08] <michemto> Yup
[23:10] <michemto> Anyway I'll say it again... Flight from Estonia will be launched on 18.08.2016 at 13.00 EEST (10.00 UTC) and I'll be looking forward to see all the Latvian/Lithuanian/Finnish/Russian amateurs on the map :) Flight name: POKE, 434.450 MHz; RTTY, 50 baud rate, 600Hz shift, 7 bits per symbol (7-ASCII), without parity, one stop-bit.
[23:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03gilera_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=gilera_chase
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