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[06:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[09:08] <G4YHE> morning all, will there be a live stream from the conference?
[09:19] <Upu> most likely yes
[09:22] <SpeedEvil> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/12/22/3720793300000578-3737850-image-m-5_1471038756994.jpg - not high altitude
[09:23] <SpeedEvil> firefighting plane scraping over road barrier.
[09:23] <SpeedEvil> 1m?
[09:24] <SpeedEvil> ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3737850/Now-S-low-flying-aircraft-Amazing-picture-shows-pedestrians-dive-lives-water-bombing-plane-flies-refill-fight-against-French-forest-fires.html
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[09:28] <G4YHE> Ta
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[09:39] <PE2BZ> !flights
[09:39] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03PICO-27 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(11ba), 03CZ_HAB_OL_TEST_1 10(9b4f), 03elveden 10(f53d)
[09:40] <G4YHE> Just realised I have the wrong date for the conference.
[09:41] <fsphil> 10th september yeah?
[09:41] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Hopefully !
[09:41] <fsphil> phew
[09:41] <G4YHE> Yes, which is good cause I can probably make that date.
[09:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> You thought it wa today ?
[09:42] <G4YHE> Yes, it was the original tentative date.
[09:42] <fsphil> I think today was an early option
[09:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> All the anticipation to go thru again then ;-)
[09:44] <G4YHE> yes!
[10:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Finesse_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Finesse_chase
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[10:06] <AndyEsser> morning
[10:06] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: very nice received image!
[10:06] <AndyEsser> I really need to get around to making a QFH
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[10:07] <PE2BZ> Good morning... so much to do, so little time. Reminds me of a bear....
[10:08] <fsphil> I read that as beer
[10:08] <ryan_in> Is anyone launching a balloon near Herefordshire this month? I'm launching in september as a school project and it would be helpful to get some experience with filling and stuff
[10:10] <PE2BZ> fsphil little time for beer ? That´s a problem....
[10:11] <fsphil> ryan_in: launches are usually announced on the mailing list, it might be worth subscribing to it. http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[10:11] <fsphil> ryan_in: there are sometimes launches up that way
[10:12] <fsphil> not sure if any in the next month
[10:13] <daveake> Nothing planned yet.
[10:16] <ryan_in> fsphil: Thanks, I'll keep an eye out
[10:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9ELS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9ELS
[10:21] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[10:21] <AndyEsser> anyone know if there's a convenient way to bypass RFID door readers?
[10:22] <PE2BZ> 13.56 MHz ?
[10:23] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: oh dear... what's happened?
[10:23] <PE2BZ> A large lenght of RG58 makes them false triggering
[10:23] <AndyEsser> cm13g09: came to work today
[10:23] <AndyEsser> boss got a badge for the building
[10:23] <AndyEsser> but neglected to get me a fob to open barrier
[10:23] <AndyEsser> but that's ok, solved that issue
[10:23] <AndyEsser> but apparently my normal ID gets me into every room of the company... except my actual office
[10:23] <cm13g09> LOL
[10:24] <AndyEsser> I can see my desk through the glass wall... I'm like... 2 metres from it
[10:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6PNN-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PNN-1
[10:24] <AndyEsser> it's frustrating
[10:24] <cm13g09> That's impressive....
[10:24] <AndyEsser> I wonder how much damage I might do if I charge at the door..
[10:24] <AndyEsser> the maglocks aren't that powerful are they?
[10:24] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: ~350kg of force
[10:25] <daveake> Use a hammer </MOD>
[10:25] <cm13g09> (is how they're normally quoted)
[10:25] <fsphil> start doing work on the glass
[10:26] <cm13g09> It's not easy to get around maglocks
[10:26] <cm13g09> best way to "solve" the problem is likely to be cut the power AndyEsser
[10:27] <cm13g09> as that door, I assume, is the only door to your office
[10:27] <cm13g09> it *should* be on a fail-open lock
[10:27] <AndyEsser> cm13g09: even easier
[10:27] <AndyEsser> fire alarm :)
[10:28] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: Surely power is easier?
[10:28] <AndyEsser> yea, don't think our locks are fail-secure, most likely fail-safe
[10:28] <AndyEsser> other than comms rooms
[10:28] <AndyEsser> cm13g09: that requires me finding a DB
[10:28] <AndyEsser> fire alarm requires me to get my lighter out of my pocket
[10:28] <AndyEsser> :P
[10:28] <cm13g09> lol
[10:28] <cm13g09> it involves finding the *right* DB
[10:28] <cm13g09> however, it should all be clearly marked
[10:28] <AndyEsser> _any_ db would hopefully allow me to trace back to something shared with the room ;)
[10:28] <AndyEsser> although...
[10:28] <AndyEsser> suspended ceiling...
[10:29] <fsphil> hah
[10:29] <AndyEsser> please tell me it wouldn't be as easy as lifting a panel and disconnecting the maglock...
[10:29] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: that would work
[10:29] <cm13g09> IF you can find the connections
[10:29] <cm13g09> (often they're on 8P8C
[10:29] <AndyEsser> sods law security guard will come along just as I open the ceiling :P
[10:30] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: the likely situation is: Maglock is wired to local reader
[10:30] <cm13g09> So you will need to disconnect the reader
[10:30] <fsphil> work from home?
[10:30] <AndyEsser> but it'll be power fed down the wall - which will be accessible/visible from the ceiling
[10:31] <AndyEsser> fsphil: that's what I wanted to avoid
[10:31] <AndyEsser> going to be way more productive in the office
[10:31] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: It'll probably be a single 8P8C
[10:31] <AndyEsser> as my laptop is slow and crap
[10:31] <fsphil> yeah. I've too many distractions at home
[10:31] <AndyEsser> although as I'm now forced to use my laptop I might just head home
[10:31] <fsphil> at least you have office wifi
[10:31] <AndyEsser> although not sure the barrier on the way out doesn't also require a fob :(
[10:32] <fsphil> oh god, stuck at work
[10:32] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: I expect it'll be a single 8P8C which goes directly back to the comms room
[10:32] <AndyEsser> cm13g09: hmm
[10:32] <AndyEsser> it was hinted that my card to get into the building also might do the comms room
[10:32] Action: AndyEsser goes hunting for wabbits
[10:32] <cm13g09> Heh
[10:32] <AndyEsser> it really irks me when I don't know the infrastructure of a company I work for :(
[10:32] <AndyEsser> I need to get more friendly with the ops team
[10:33] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: let me know how you get on
[10:33] <cm13g09> It won't be easy...
[10:33] <AndyEsser> I'd love to attempt it
[10:34] <AndyEsser> but... also... want to keep my job/freedom
[10:34] <AndyEsser> :P
[10:34] <cm13g09> lol
[10:34] <cm13g09> How big an office is it?
[10:34] <mfa298> depending on how the stuff is wired up it might not be that easy to remove power from the locks unless you cut cables.
[10:34] <AndyEsser> mfa298: I have my toolkit in my car from EMF :)
[10:34] <AndyEsser> and plenty of LX
[10:35] <AndyEsser> to wire it back up again
[10:35] <cm13g09> mfa298: Exactly - normally it's a single 8P8C
[10:35] <AndyEsser> no-one will notice until they next go into the ceiling
[10:35] <mfa298> although I've seen maglocks where you can pull on the handle and kick the bottom of the door and it opens the lock
[10:35] <AndyEsser> Ha
[10:35] <AndyEsser> they've always felt a bit flimsy to me
[10:35] <AndyEsser> imagine the door will go before the lock does
[10:35] <AndyEsser> end up with a stable door type situation :P
[10:35] <cm13g09> yes
[10:36] <AndyEsser> anyway, time to try and find the guard
[10:36] <AndyEsser> since no-one answered the emergecy contact number...
[10:36] <AndyEsser> so hopefully I don't have an injury here...
[10:43] <fsphil> cue the mission impossible theme
[10:43] <cm13g09> fsphil: yes.
[10:45] <cm13g09> fsphil: actually.... http://thepianoguys.com/portfolio/mission-impossible-pianocelloviolin-ft-lindsey-stirling/
[10:45] <cm13g09> THAT
[10:47] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser any clue on the brand / type of readers or something /
[10:50] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03PICO-27 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(11ba), 03CZ_HAB_OL_TEST_1 10(9b4f), 03elveden 10(f53d)
[10:55] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: main building entry is Honeywell, the internal doors are unmarked :(
[10:57] <Ian_> Change priorities from truck to laptop capable of doing the intended job . . .
[10:57] <AndyEsser> Ian_: Surface Pro 4 is also on the purchase list :P
[10:57] <AndyEsser> and thankfully, can be a business expense
[10:58] <AndyEsser> woo, reduces both my VAT bill and my Corporation Tax liability :)
[10:58] <Ian_> :) Should have used a paper bag or something on the barrier sensor to stop it closing. A wet leaf has plausible deniability!
[10:58] <fsphil> yeah fight the system
[10:58] <AndyEsser> ha
[10:58] <AndyEsser> found people on the 1st floor
[10:59] <Ian_> Also locked in?
[10:59] <AndyEsser> apparently Engineering is like a "no go" space for "normal" people in the company so they definitely don't have access
[10:59] <fsphil> start of a horror movie this :)
[10:59] <AndyEsser> ha
[10:59] <AndyEsser> it is a nice country farm estate
[10:59] <fsphil> if the lights start flickering, get out
[10:59] <AndyEsser> I can hear the cows and the donkey from this meeting room
[10:59] <Ian_> They keep them in there?
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> They improve average IQ
[11:00] <daveake> meating room
[11:00] <AndyEsser> the office buildings are in the middle, surrounded by farmland
[11:00] <PE2BZ> meat in room
[11:00] <AndyEsser> it would be a great place to launch a balloon, if we weren't mere kilometers from Manchester airpor directly in line of the runway...
[11:01] <daveake> no problem at all
[11:01] <daveake> just launch at 5am
[11:01] <AndyEsser> https://goo.gl/8r0Bcl
[11:05] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser find one of these above the ceiling... https://www.black.honeywell.com/Pages/Product.aspx?category=IPAK2&cat=HSG-BLACK&pid=IPAK2
[11:06] <AndyEsser> daveake: it's alright, colleague of mine lives in a little village called Waverton nearby and has a garden more than large enough to launch in, so tempted to think of using that for my launches
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:06] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: the honeywell doors aren't the problem
[11:06] <AndyEsser> the internal ones are
[11:06] <AndyEsser> which are apparently TDSi
[11:07] <AndyEsser> also, my ceiling plan is foiled
[11:07] <AndyEsser> the corridor ceiling is plasterboard, not the liftable panels
[11:07] <AndyEsser> I'd have to go into marketing and climb across...
[11:07] <AndyEsser> that's entirely too much dedication to breaking into my own office
[11:07] <daveake> TDSi you say?
[11:08] <AndyEsser> yarp
[11:08] <daveake> I did a project linking to their system
[11:08] <AndyEsser> daveake: interesting...
[11:08] <AndyEsser> I can get onto the VPN
[11:08] <AndyEsser> and the controller _may_ be on the same network
[11:08] <AndyEsser> :)
[11:08] <AndyEsser> that sounds like way more fun than physical hackin :P
[11:08] <daveake> The locks are probably 485 back to a controller
[11:10] <daveake> which in turn networks to a server and an MS SQL database
[11:10] <fsphil> not an MDB, already better than some of our systems
[11:10] <daveake> :)
[11:11] <AndyEsser> daveake: yea, trying to find the controller IP :P
[11:11] <AndyEsser> and then hope they've stuck to default username/password
[11:11] <fsphil> our clock in/out system uses an mdb file :/
[11:11] <AndyEsser> *shudder*
[11:12] <daveake> The polling is all a bit slow ... I had to put a yay/nay into their database, for a particular card/door, and we had to arrange that employees had a decent walk between my system (test their ESD protection) and theirs (actual door), so that the data could get there before they did :/
[11:12] <AndyEsser> o wow
[11:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TT7F after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TT7F
[11:13] <daveake> Their system isn't really designed for frequent updates to the door controllers
[11:14] <daveake> It's more "this employee has left" rather than "this employee has compliant ESD protection"
[11:15] <SpeedEvil> The idea is so they only get through the door i they have valid ESD?
[11:19] <AndyEsser> gah, can't get virtual box to run now either on my laptop :(
[11:19] <AndyEsser> I'm just going to go home methinks
[11:20] <fsphil> imagine if it turns out you where just holding it wrong </not helping>
[11:20] <AndyEsser> lol
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[11:22] <Laurenceb__> the balloon is a social construct
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[11:23] <rharrison_> Hi all,
[11:23] <fsphil> o/
[11:23] <rharrison_> Quick question on ublox UBX
[11:23] Action: fsphil starts the timer
[11:24] <rharrison_> Should i use Height above ellipsoid
[11:24] <rharrison_> or Height above sea level. I'm oting for the latter
[11:24] <rharrison_> opting
[11:24] <Laurenceb__> altitude is not real
[11:25] <Laurenceb__> its just a ritual used to establish power structures of highaltitude
[11:25] <rharrison_> and the less clear question Heading of motion (2-D)
[11:25] <rharrison_> or Heading of vehicle (2-D)
[11:25] <rharrison_> Laurenceb__, :-)
[11:25] <fsphil> just looking at my own code, *alt = I4(_buf, 16);
[11:25] <fsphil> I should comment things better
[11:26] <fsphil> no idea which field that is
[11:26] <rharrison_> hum which message are you using?
[11:26] <rharrison_> I'll lok it up
[11:26] <rharrison_> I'll look it up
[11:26] <fsphil> just checking
[11:26] <fsphil> been a while
[11:26] <rharrison_> :-)
[11:26] <rharrison_> |Not as long as it's been for me
[11:27] <fsphil> NAV-POSLLH (0x01 0x02)
[11:27] <rharrison_> Things are looking up though have GPS and tempsensors working can now can have arbitary <128 temp sensrors connected to payload :-)
[11:28] <fsphil> I'm using Height above mean sea level
[11:29] <rharrison_> Interesting I used NAV-PVT as this seemed to have everyinthing in one request including the date and time
[11:29] <rharrison_> Cheers fsphil
[11:30] <fsphil> hmm I don't see NAV-PVT
[11:30] <rharrison_> Ublox Max8
[11:30] <fsphil> ah. must be new. this was for the ublox6
[11:30] <rharrison_> 30.18.12 UBX-NAV-PVT (0x01 0x07)
[11:30] <rharrison_> 30.18.12.1 Navigation Position Velocity Time Solution
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[11:31] <Darkside> so binary GPRMC?
[11:31] <fsphil> yeah that's not defined in the -6 spec
[11:31] <fsphil> that could be handy
[11:31] <rharrison_> That explaines that then :-)
[11:32] <rharrison_> fsphil, https://www.u-blox.com/sites/default/files/products/documents/u-blox8-M8_ReceiverDescrProtSpec_(UBX-13003221)_Public.pdf
[11:33] <fsphil> 434
[11:33] <fsphil> 404*
[11:33] <fsphil> got it
[11:33] <rharrison_> weird works 4 me
[11:33] <AndyEsser> and me
[11:33] <AndyEsser> fsphil: silly phil
[11:34] <fsphil> I'm on weechat, I have to manually reconstruct URLs that go across multiple lines :p
[11:34] <rharrison_> Page 282
[11:34] <rharrison_> ahh
[11:34] <fsphil> neat. it's a binary version of the gpgga line
[11:34] <rharrison_> Nice one message with everything in
[11:35] <rharrison_> Yep and decimal lat and long :-)
[11:35] <rharrison_> well stored as uint32
[11:36] <rharrison_> Its also go the satelite info and GPS fix stuff inthere too
[11:36] <AndyEsser> NEMA GPGGA is what I use, so imagine the UBX version is just as useful :)
[11:36] <fsphil> easier to parse
[11:36] <Darkside> i used to use the ublox PUBX ascii string..
[11:36] <rharrison_> AndyEsser, this just makes it easire than passing the nema sentance
[11:37] <rharrison_> ahh fsphil beat m to it
[11:37] <AndyEsser> O yea, I'll eventually move to the UBX binary stuff
[11:37] <AndyEsser> but parsing NMEA was the quickest way to get up and running
[11:37] <rharrison_> AndyEsser, it's even nice on i2c as this leaves your uart free for debugging
[11:38] <AndyEsser> which is what I do atm :)
[11:38] <AndyEsser> my UART is for my CLI :)
[11:38] <Darkside> except when you use the wrong i2c library and your commands are cut short silently
[11:38] <AndyEsser> library? what is one of these? :P
[11:38] <Darkside> and the gps doesnt go into flight mode :P
[11:38] <Darkside> oh shush
[11:38] <AndyEsser> That's where books are kept, right? :P
[11:38] <rharrison_> nice so you are really nearly there ubx is quite easy.
[11:39] <AndyEsser> rharrison_: Yep, I just never got around to writing the stuff to talk to the Ublox, to put it into binary mode etc (and flight mode)
[11:39] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: I had to write NMEA parser for $work
[11:40] <AndyEsser> parse a string on commas is childs play
[11:40] <cm13g09> I'm trying to persuade them that they should be using uBX units
[11:41] <cm13g09> It's not going down too well
[11:41] <AndyEsser> :(
[11:41] <cm13g09> I'll get there
[11:42] <cm13g09> Somebody remind me, do Farnell dispatch on Saturdays?
[11:42] <AndyEsser> aww, loaded up my VM, opened sublime, and the last code I was working on was my RTTY demod
[11:42] <fsphil> mmm
[11:42] <cm13g09> fsphil: who was that aimed at?
[11:43] <rharrison_> cm13g09, nema is more portable if you are likely to change GPS modules
[11:43] <fsphil> demod. I'm going to try a spread spectrum thing on my next flight, need to write the demodulator
[11:44] <fsphil> DSSS
[11:44] <rharrison_> do we have lora flights planned in the near future?
[11:44] <cm13g09> rharrison_: yes, quite
[11:44] <rharrison_> I have my lora gateway working now :-)
[11:44] <daveake> SpeedEvil - yes - get through if allowed into that area according to their card ID *and* they have a recent valid ESD test
[11:44] <cm13g09> awww: "Orders submitted on Saturday or Sunday will be shipped out the next business day."
[11:45] <rharrison_> Thats the advantage of living in Leeds I can nip to the trade counter and collect :-)
[11:45] <cm13g09> not worth placing that Farnell order until 6-7PM Monday then
[11:45] <cm13g09> rharrison_: All right for some :P
[11:45] <cm13g09> (In fairness I have an RS trade counter 15 mins down the road)
[11:45] <rharrison_> In lanzarote ATM on holiday
[11:45] <fsphil> git :)
[11:46] <rharrison_> hub
[11:46] <fsphil> on IRC in lanzarote. sounds like something I'd do
[11:46] <rharrison_> Its too hot to be outside atme
[11:46] <rharrison_> I'll go surfin this evening
[11:47] <rharrison_> Did you see my antenna on the tracking map :-)
[11:47] <daveake> rharrison_: Might have a flight on Wednesday with LoRa
[11:48] <rharrison_> daveake, cool I'll try and decode from huddersfiled
[11:48] <rharrison_> Huddersfield even
[11:48] <rharrison_> I've set up repote access so I can do it from here
[11:48] <daveake> cool
[11:48] <rharrison_> doh s/repote/remote
[11:49] <daveake> It's a re-run of the Morph flight
[11:49] <rharrison_> Cool
[11:49] <rharrison_> SSDV
[11:49] <fsphil> SFDV. slightly faster digital video-ish
[11:49] <daveake> on 868 yes
[11:50] <daveake> 434 might be telem only
[11:50] <rharrison_> Are you TX lora on 434?
[11:50] <daveake> yes
[11:50] <rharrison_> Cool lora telem?
[11:51] <rharrison_> I'm loving these radio modules atm
[11:51] <PE2BZ> daveake if you fly, would that be after lunchtime ? I have a preparation to make to the LoRa RX at work and I start next wednesday ;-) Have to add a Helical bandpass filter....
[11:51] <rharrison_> Well the datasheet anyway
[11:51] <fsphil> I'm not a fan of RFM
[11:51] <rharrison_> fsphil, is that because it's closed?
[11:52] <fsphil> nah, just badly written datasheets
[11:52] <daveake> Last time it was 434 rtty, 434 lora, 868 lora
[11:52] <rharrison_> They don't have a good rep on quality but price is great for throw away hab missions
[11:52] <daveake> more likely to be morning PE2BZ
[11:52] <fsphil> I use lora, I just don't encourage it. and I seem to be having range problems with the RFM in FSK mode
[11:52] <rharrison_> fsphil, is that rtty to me ?
[11:53] <fsphil> rtty is an FSK mode yeah
[11:53] <PE2BZ> daveake then I change the plans and start working tuesday afternoon :-)
[11:53] <daveake> :-) Well wait for confirmation Monday
[11:54] <rharrison_> fsphil, OOK is morse code as I understand it?
[11:54] <fsphil> yeah. well, morse is a form of OOK
[11:54] <fsphil> you could send simple binary using OOK too
[11:55] <rharrison_> I gess you could creat your own protocol for OOK but basically thats either on or off as I understand it
[11:55] <PE2BZ> daveake the LoRa at work is at 27 m height, surrounded with 392 MHz Tetra, 428 MHz Tetra all within 500 meter range. RSSI is at -90 with no LoRa in air
[11:55] <daveake> ouch
[11:56] <fsphil> I'm hoping to something lora-like, but with the DSSS rather than the chip modulation they have
[11:56] <fsphil> chirp*
[11:57] <fsphil> I'm still newbie at this so if it works I'll be quite amazed :)
[11:57] <rharrison_> fsphil, well if anyone can do it, you'll be the one
[11:58] <rharrison_> fsphil, didn't you help decode the GPS signals with CUSF one time to make your own GPS reciver with no restritinos?
[11:58] <fsphil> well if it doesn't work, I'll certainly learn a lot in the process
[11:58] <fsphil> rharrison_: that was probably edmoore
[11:59] <rharrison_> I thought you all hit it as a team ;
[11:59] <rharrison_> Laurenceb__, was involved in that too IIRC
[12:00] <Laurenceb__> sorry not reading
[12:00] <Laurenceb__> involved in what?
[12:00] <Laurenceb__> also wb to the channel :D
[12:00] <rharrison_> GPS signal decode to make own GPS reviever CUSF days
[12:01] <Laurenceb__> oh
[12:01] <Laurenceb__> nah, I'd like too but only so much time to work on stuff
[12:01] <Laurenceb__> so I spend my time shouting and swearing at broken bluetooth stacks in my day job
[12:04] <fsphil> are they not all broken?
[12:05] <fsphil> maybe just me. I've had nothing but problems every time I try to use bluetooth
[12:14] <Laurenceb__> heh we too
[12:14] <Laurenceb__> trying to get a gui to talk to dataloggers using an rn42 module
[12:14] <Laurenceb__> this usually resulted in the bluetooth stack on the pc failing in undefined states
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP3MCY_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3MCY_chase
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[12:26] <Laurenceb__> I managed ot get device discovery working well with Qt
[12:42] <Laurenceb__> but any throughput greater than 10k bytes/s killsit
[12:43] <Laurenceb__> how is it even possible to screw it up so badly
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> anyways, this part seems to work well if anyone wants to do bluetooth with Qt :D
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Display_gui/blob/master/bluetooth.cpp
[12:55] Action: SpeedEvil idly wonders of HABby uses for a 6W LASER diode.
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> (blue)
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Cutting the string I guess.
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> Is it illegal to operate an unlit plane at night?
[13:01] <Laurenceb__> depends on the size of said plane
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[13:09] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning a piloted one.
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> From the perpective of carefully shining LASERs into the sky.
[13:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA2RMG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> I should read the ANO.
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> But I opened it and lost the will to live.
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[13:22] <PE2BZ> SpeedEvil should we call someone ?
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:23] <PE2BZ> ;-)
[13:24] <PE2BZ> Skip the index
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[13:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K8SCH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K8SCH-11
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[14:29] <craag> Prediction for pico launch tomorrow http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=da23e4ca1ba7f94e47de652a1d4c725b5bee43fb
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Looks good
[14:31] <craag> another into the sea...
[14:31] <fsphil> no chase then?
[14:32] <craag> probably not
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh not a floater then ?
[14:33] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE-M: A bit too close to bournemouth airport to do that I think Geoff-G8DHE-M
[14:33] <craag> I'd rather it went up quick
[14:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd4bfp-car - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd4bfp-car
[14:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kj4cqq-car - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kj4cqq-car
[14:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd4bfp-chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd4bfp-chase
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[15:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NM5SS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NM5SS-11
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CRAAG8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CRAAG8
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[15:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NM5SS-12 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NM5SS-12
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[16:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB1SAR-11 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB1SAR-11
[16:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD7ICN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD7ICN-11
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[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS17 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS17
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[18:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[18:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[18:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[18:26] <PE2BZ> did someone ever had to delete 757 thousand jpg´s from a mounted network share in Linux ?
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[18:31] <DoYouKnow> hi. (Can you help me) - looking for help on using RTKLib to plot carrier phase and satellite visibility. For some reason when I click "Plot" in RTKNavi, and browse to the satellite visibility, it's greyed out. I do see the PRNs and SNR for the PRN in the RTKNavi plot display, and after letting it run I do see my Lat/Lon
[18:31] <DoYouKnow> maybe I'm using the wrong program??
[18:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You might even be in the wrong channel as well ?
[18:33] <PE2BZ> I would also guess so. Over here, I never heard about the RTKLib something to do with GRC perhaps ?
[18:33] <DoYouKnow> no, it's a GPS program
[18:33] <DoYouKnow> I'm using it with a Ublox GPS
[18:35] <DoYouKnow> I've created the RINEX, but every satellite isn't updated at every interval, so I think it causes teqc to fail to plot the slips and IOD
[18:35] <DoYouKnow> I'm trying to get the ZTD (Tropospheric delay)
[18:35] <DoYouKnow> that's my end goal
[18:35] <DoYouKnow> for weather obs
[18:35] <PE2BZ> Sorry, I have no clue...
[18:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You might be better off in a channel that's about GPS then!
[18:36] <DoYouKnow> ok
[18:36] <DoYouKnow> I thought I'd ask here since this is #highaltitude, and it's very high altitude related...
[18:36] <PE2BZ> How low can we go ;-)
[18:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Most GPS's are used at sea level!
[18:37] <DoYouKnow> well, I am interested in weather obs with it
[18:37] <DoYouKnow> so mid/upper troposphere
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[18:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Try these resoucres http://www.rtklib.com/rtklib_support.htm
[18:44] <DoYouKnow> thanks, I just subscribed to FOSS-GPS
[18:44] <DoYouKnow> hopefully it's helpful
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[18:48] <PE2BZ> Good luck ! I am off for the day...
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[19:36] <rharrison_> Is there any software out there for uploading packets to the tracker ?
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[19:39] <rharrison_> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE-M
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[19:42] <rharrison_> Geoff-G8DHE-M, that looks great
[19:42] <rharrison_> can we curl data into habitat?
[19:42] <daveake> yes
[19:43] <daveake> Take a look at my gateway source
[19:43] <daveake> or, if you're feeling brave, dl-fldigu
[19:44] <daveake> and ofc the docs http://habitat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
[19:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sam_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sam_chase
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[20:08] <rharrison_> daveake, cheers
[20:09] <rharrison_> daveake, I'm going to programm a swap keys function for the gateway as I prefer to work lower case on on a module. But leave the inverse working for the other module
[20:11] <daveake> ok
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[20:12] <rharrison_> The best of both worlds then :-)
[20:12] <daveake> btw I pushed the lora fix last night
[20:12] <daveake> It was indeed the thing I'd fixed recently, but hadn't pushed yet
[20:12] <rharrison_> cool i'll pull that
[20:13] <rharrison_> So I can get it working on module CE0
[20:13] <daveake> Next up is serial GPS so you can make a tracker with lora + serial gps
[20:13] <rharrison_> I might have a go ate calculating the azimuth and elivation too
[20:13] <daveake> It's working just needs some tests done for serial port missing etc
[20:14] <rharrison_> chect in /proc?
[20:14] <rharrison_> check?
[20:14] <daveake> ?
[20:15] <rharrison_> In the pi cant you just check in /proc/ for he serial device
[20:15] <daveake> /dev/ttysomething
[20:18] <rharrison_> Opps yeah :-) doh
[20:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM4AOZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM4AOZ_chase
[20:38] <rharrison_> daveake, did you say you pushed the changes to git for the gw?
[20:38] <daveake> No it's a pits change
[20:38] <daveake> Stopped txing after 8 or so lora transmissions if configured for no images
[20:38] <daveake> 'cos it decided to wait for an image packet :/
[20:53] <Ian_> Nice to know :)
[20:54] <Ian_> have 868MHz antenna now, with 8dBi gain and 9m RG58 with N-type plug going spare.
[20:54] <Ian_> Will fit BNC and use an adaptor from there - spot the chicken!
[21:04] <daveake> 868 - yagi or collinear ?
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[21:19] <Ian_> Yagi
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[21:20] <Ian_> Will look for something like 11ele as well, but a minority start. I have a small 7ele ZL-Special for 434MHz too
[21:25] <daveake> I have a couple of Chinese Yagis with the usual multiplier on the claimed gain figures, plus an LPRS one that outperforms both
[21:26] <Ian_> 8dBi (5.8dBd) seems about right for a 5 ele yagi
[21:27] <Ian_> I guess that 9 to 11dBd is probably where I want to be, initially!
[21:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-7 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-7
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[22:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
[22:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALLOONOLO-CHASE_CAR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLOONOLO-CHASE_CAR
[22:26] Action: mfa298 wonders if BLACKOPS_chase is really where it says it is
[22:26] <mfa298> surley that one's failing if it's uploading an accurate position :p
[22:28] <daveake> hah
[22:28] <daveake> It's in a black case
[22:29] <daveake> This thing http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1905
[22:30] <daveake> I've swapped the lora/gps board for a dual lora (so it can do 868) and usb gps
[22:31] <daveake> Next job is to integrate dl-fldigi
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