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[05:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[06:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IK2XKF-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK2XKF-7
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[07:28] <PE2BZ> Rharrison good morning. The problem you described yesterday about LoRa1 transmitting OK and LoRa0 stops after 10 TX packets happens to me and PB0AHX also. I supposed it was Pi3 related, but I hope Dave can solve the problem.
[07:33] <fsphil> morning all
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[07:44] <PE2BZ> Good morning.
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[08:06] <PE2BZ> fsphil any dutch coast images saved from the SD card ?
[08:07] <fsphil> that's one for craag ^
[08:08] <PE2BZ> It´s my age ;-)
[08:12] <gonzo_> we bring in cakes when it's our birthday. Someone went one better and brought in CAKES
[08:12] <gonzo_> quite impressive
[08:12] <AndyEsser> I want cake
[08:12] <fsphil> I like cake
[08:12] <gonzo_> I have a large piece of caramel slice with, what must be a whole bar of chockolate on top
[08:13] <fsphil> *drool*
[08:14] <Vaizki> no cake.. :( but there will be on sunday
[08:14] <gonzo_> really don't want to think about the cals in this
[08:14] <Vaizki> I never met a calorie I didn't like
[08:15] <gonzo_> but I'll not be visiting the butty van at lunch time
[08:15] <fsphil> kcals :)
[08:15] <gonzo_> these are killer ones
[08:15] <Vaizki> there is no butty van either :(
[08:15] <AndyEsser> meh, do I look like the kind of man that cares abot calories :P
[08:15] <Vaizki> I feel undernourished!
[08:16] <fsphil> we're wasting away
[08:19] <gonzo_> I feel sick
[08:19] <AndyEsser> I'll take the cake off your hands if you need :)
[08:19] <gonzo_> nope, I used a paper towle to do that
[08:19] <gonzo_> (the chocky got everywhere)
[08:20] <pjm> talking of food, i ate here on saturday night; http://pjm.uhf-satcom.com/twtr/grill.jpg
[08:20] <pjm> claimed my free meal too ;-)
[08:20] <fsphil> that's both amazing and terrible at the same time
[08:21] <gonzo_> do they aloow you to sit on the fatty trolley when you are weighed?
[08:21] <pjm> on the mobility scooter, probably
[08:21] <gonzo_> I suppose they could clain they are doing society a favour
[08:21] <pjm> although me and the wife got on it and weighed 215 lbs
[08:21] <SIbot2> In real units: 215 lbs = 97.5 kg
[08:22] <pjm> then some lump behind us got on and was about 240lbs for 1 person
[08:22] <SIbot2> In real units: 240 lbs = 108.9 kg
[08:23] <gonzo_> I feel like that now
[08:24] <pjm> http://www.heartattackgrill.com/menu.html this is hilarious! the first thing you see is a mobility scooter hire advert
[08:24] <pjm> anyway.. nothing to do with HAB's unless u could inflate one of these lumps with hydrogen
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[08:25] <fsphil> food is related. essential part of the chase process
[08:25] <fsphil> though I'm not sure chasing and that place should be combined
[08:27] <AndyEsser> that's ridiculous...
[08:27] <AndyEsser> surely it should be "Under 100lbs, eat free"
[08:27] <SIbot2> In real units: 100 lbs = 45.4 kg
[08:27] <AndyEsser> silly americans
[08:27] <BubUK> omg. just read this thread. now im scared.
[08:27] <AndyEsser> then you make them fat, they need more food, and gladly come back and pay :)
[08:28] <BubUK> on a completely different note - does anyone have any idea how to send commands back to the lora tracker from an rpi lora gateway ?
[08:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> BubUK, The code has the ability already built in, it does so to trigger missed blocks in the SSDV frams.
[08:35] <BubUK> i see. but how i, for example, send a piece of text to the tracker ? Specifically i want to be able to reboot it remotely.
[08:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You write your own code to do it.
[08:37] <BubUK> i can write something on the tracker to monitor for an incoming and act accordingly. cant see how to get the gateway to send it though
[08:40] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I really want to get the RTTY demod working soon :(
[08:41] <fsphil> yeah, didn't get a chance to look at that over emf
[08:41] <daveake> BubUK: You're going to need to modify the code int he gateway and the tracker
[08:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> BubUK, look at line 1839 od gateway.c "SendUplinkMessage" function
[08:42] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I'd have loved to use at EMF, but spent forever trying to get EMF-BREAD working
[08:42] <BubUK> thank you. ill have a look.
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[08:42] <daveake> There's code for specific uplink scenarios and if your requirement doesn't match one of those, then get coding
[08:43] <fsphil> AndyEsser: did you get your bug fixed? last I saw it was transmitting blank fields
[08:43] <AndyEsser> fsphil: not on the Sunday
[08:43] <AndyEsser> on Saturday it was sending either blank fields, or correct sentences
[08:43] <daveake> And remember that the tracker needs to be listening not transmitting, so you need to arrange a downlink/uplink cycle
[08:43] <AndyEsser> on Sunday, it never managed tos peak to the GPS
[08:43] <AndyEsser> so I just had it emitting the telemetry, it would hang infinitely trying to communicate over I2C
[08:43] <fsphil> weird
[08:44] <daveake> The closest existing match is the one that uplinks tweets
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[08:45] <BubUK> daveake: great, just having a look now
[08:45] <AndyEsser> without a scope or LA it was going to be next to impossible to debug
[08:46] Action: AndyEsser never trusts craag again when he said there'd be plenty of scopes/LA at EMF
[08:47] <gonzo_> didn't the hackspace people running the soldering thing, have one?
[08:48] <gonzo_> (I lost track of who was with which village there)
[08:49] <AndyEsser> they may have done, but I didn't see one when I was walking passed, and too anti-social to actually ask
[08:53] <fsphil> heh, yeah I didn't like interrupting people
[08:54] <fsphil> wonder if the badge could decode rtty...
[08:54] <gonzo_> you fancy writing a whole fft in python?
[08:55] <AndyEsser> who needs FFT :P
[08:55] <gonzo_> could dop the old zero cross detect i suppose
[08:55] <gonzo_> do
[08:55] <AndyEsser> zero cross detect?
[08:56] <gonzo_> basically just detect when the audio crosses the zero volts level and you count the crossings in time
[08:57] <gonzo_> you can sort of plot freq that way, you lose the aplitude info though
[08:57] <AndyEsser> both of those sound _WAY_ simpler than my current method
[08:57] <gonzo_> but for clean.strong sigs it can work
[08:57] <AndyEsser> but my method seems to be quite powerful, mayhaps
[08:57] <AndyEsser> especiall to go beyond 2FSK
[08:58] <gonzo_> because zero cross has no amplitude infoo, you start to get probs differentiating noise from sig
[08:59] <gonzo_> there were spme rtty [rogs for PCs using the serial port handshake lines for input
[08:59] <gonzo_> they did work, even though a bit rough
[08:59] <gonzo_> I had to buy a graphics card for my PC for that
[09:00] <gonzo_> (it was a text only card before that)
[09:00] <AndyEsser> once my code actually, err, works :P
[09:01] <AndyEsser> I should look at doing OpenCL/CUDA stuff to use video cards for demods
[09:06] <gonzo_> just googled the mda graphics card.... 1981! ok it was a few years after that before I got a PC, being a poor student
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[09:11] <fsphil> what I described to AndyEsser for demoding was to mix the rtty to zero, band pass filter out anything that isn't the rtty signal and then quadrature demod
[09:11] <fsphil> then do zero (well, average) crossing
[09:15] <AndyEsser> I'm currently failing at the mixing :P
[09:34] Nick change: Kryczek_ -> Kryczek
[09:44] <gonzo_> just seen some samples of the new plastic £5 note
[09:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JMHS after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JMHS
[09:44] <gonzo_> look pretty good
[09:46] <AndyEsser> How... Canadian...
[09:46] <BubUK> daveake: gateway is creating a directory images? which is images/r instead of using the defined ./images from the config file. is it me doing something wrong?
[09:46] <fsphil> one of the NI banks had plastic notes many years ago
[09:47] <fsphil> they where great, no idea why they stopped doing it
[09:47] <fsphil> other than english shops always thinking they where fake :)
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[09:50] <Rebounder> craag: congrats on the pics! released any yet? :)
[09:52] <Rharrison_> PE2BZ, I think the problem with the PITS tracker is that it still thinks CE0 should be texting SSDV as it's fine with CE1. daveake though it might be due to code changes that ignore the config file.
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[09:58] <daveake> Yeah I'm going to set that up today or tomorrow. Pretty sure it's an existing fix just needs pushing.
[09:59] <Rharrison_> daveake, was that MHz code ok?
[09:59] <Rharrison_> v minor change :) but I'm no coder
[09:59] <daveake> I got back from skycademy yesterday evening - way too tired to be coding already :)
[10:00] <daveake> Rules 1 and 2 - never code if drunk / knackered
[10:00] <daveake> Used to fail on #1 every Friday afternoon at my first job :p
[10:00] <daveake> (on-site bar)
[10:01] <Vaizki> it's better to do design meetings drunk
[10:01] <Vaizki> and on friday afternoons so that nobody remembers anything on monday
[10:02] <fsphil> late night coding makes great code, terrible comments
[10:02] <gonzo_> you have to revenge all your work and find bugs
[10:02] <AndyEsser> fsphil: in Star Trek they talk about VHF, and actually choose a frequency that is in the VHF range
[10:02] <AndyEsser> I was very impressed
[10:02] <AndyEsser> and then instantly hated myself for how geeky I am :(
[10:03] <gonzo_> was watching the die hard 4 last week and saw that when they cut to a shot of a radio in the cars, it was on a 2mtr freq
[10:03] <fsphil> yeah, though ships vulnerable to a simple VHF radio signal is a bit of a flaw :)
[10:04] <AndyEsser> Ah, you've seen it?
[10:04] <fsphil> yeah
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[10:04] <AndyEsser> spoilers for others!
[10:04] <gonzo_> not that AC are! (~speedbird 1, please divert to your alternate)
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[10:11] <craag> Rebounder: only the couple on my twitter of Gilwell Park on the ascent
[10:11] <craag> To be honest there aren't many good ones, I will put a selection on flickr probably later tonight though
[10:11] <gonzo____> excuse the spamming, just setting up znc
[10:12] <AndyEsser> gonzo____: used to it by now :P
[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :)
[10:13] <gonzo____> hehe, well hopefully that will end it!
[10:14] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:14] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03PICO-27 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(11ba)
[10:14] <AndyEsser> gonzo____: just have irssi on a linux box, and use screen
[10:14] <AndyEsser> then SSH into it from wherever you are
[10:17] <lz1dev> use tmux pls :(
[10:17] <lz1dev> also add mosh in the mix for roaming
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[10:18] <fsphil> mosh is lovely
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[10:21] <Vaizki> I used to do screen + irssi .. but such a pain to use irssi on a touch screen phone so went for ZNC + native clients long ago
[10:22] <AndyEsser> I very rarely use IRC on a mobile/tablet device
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03zafira_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=zafira_chase
[10:22] <Vaizki> and of course before mosh there was the whole ssh pain
[10:23] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, well I have been on IRC since '90 and loads of people who I know also.. so there's a lot of chat for me here and private messages
[10:25] <AndyEsser> o sure, I'm just basically always on it via laptop or PCs :)
[10:26] <AndyEsser> and if people mention me, I'll get a notification on my phone
[10:27] <miek> weechat is nice - same sort of setup as irssi, but it's got a native phone app too
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[10:33] <swaledale_steve> irccloud for me
[10:33] <lz1dev> Vaizki: have you tried juicessh ?
[10:33] <AndyEsser> eww
[10:34] <Vaizki> lz1dev, nope I'm an apple user.. err.. fanboy! GO TIM!
[10:34] <lz1dev> rip in pieces
[10:34] <Vaizki> anyway, I only use mosh from mobile any more
[10:34] <Vaizki> tim is not dead
[10:34] <lz1dev> hope dies last
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[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:06] <tweetBot> @daveake: That Way Is Essex - Clacton, Mersea, Osea, Northey, Foulness Islands down to Southend #skycademy #ukhas #raspberrypi https://t.co/MJteHd2bIX
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[11:09] Action: Ian_ becomes AndyEsser's reminder service - briefly bing bong - coming up lunch time!
[11:11] <fsphil> 49 minutes to go here
[11:11] <fsphil> I can make it
[11:22] <Vaizki> hashtag like a pro.. it should be That way is #essex - #clacton #mersea #osea #northey #foulnessislands #southend #flyinghigh #icanseeyourhouse
[11:25] <mfa298> #overload: #hashtag #all #the #things
[11:26] <daveake> #feckthat
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[11:38] <fsphil> #hashtag
[11:39] <Darkside> #hashtagabuse
[11:39] <fsphil> #highaltitude
[11:43] <gonzo_> reminds me if the 'me doctor, you Mr Birkenshaw' sketch
[11:43] Action: mfa298 realises he's probably doubled his use of hashtags now (if not more)
[11:44] <Vaizki> you went from 2 to 6 uses with one line?
[11:44] <Vaizki> oops 2 to 7 even :)
[11:44] <gonzo_> took me a while to realise that they were not irc chan names. I'd keep asking people which server they were on
[11:44] <Vaizki> hehe
[11:45] <Vaizki> it's like my friend's 12yo daughter wondering at a landline phone.. why does it have a hashtag key
[11:45] <mfa298> Vaizki: I don't make much use of twitface (not sure I've ever tweeted anything and facebook was mostly not that interesting last time I looked)
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[12:04] <AndyEsser> Ian_: reminder? of what?
[12:07] <Ian_> Lunchtime!
[12:07] <Ian_> fsphil will have started his five minutes ago
[12:08] <fsphil> om nom nom
[12:08] Action: fsphil wipes crumbs from the keyboard
[12:08] <AndyEsser> Ian_: I just got back from KFC :)
[12:09] <Ian_> You can not successfully wipe crumbs from the kbd, just into it. You have to turn it over and bang it on the desk to get half of them out . . .
[12:09] <Ian_> Just back from KFC, just in time for lunch then?
[12:10] <AndyEsser> he
[12:10] <AndyEsser> heh*
[12:10] <AndyEsser> Ian_: don't ever turn your keyboard over... that way madness lies
[12:10] <AndyEsser> *shudders*
[12:12] <Ian_> It has a lot of dust around the keys and an uptime of 337 days. Sadly needs a good clean box and kbd then more than a little upgrading OS wise.
[12:14] <Rebounder> Ian_: what OS? :)
[12:14] <AndyEsser> Rebounder: clearly not Windows
[12:18] <Ian_> OpenSUSE 12.2 well past it's sell by date
[12:19] <Ian_> I'm currently using the system box to manufacture belly button fluff :)
[12:19] <Rebounder> AndyEsser: well, if don't install/use/login it can survive.. :)
[12:19] Action: Rebounder updateing ubuntuboxes
[12:20] <Ian_> The packing department is currently the heatsink on top of the CPU
[12:20] <mfa298> Rebounder: harder on windows these days as they're making it harder to turn off updates (and so related updates)
[12:20] <AndyEsser> impossible on Win 10 now I believe
[12:20] <AndyEsser> (my biggest gripe)
[12:21] <mfa298> just need Pro
[12:21] <AndyEsser> I have Pro
[12:21] <AndyEsser> in the Windows Update settings I don't have a "disable" option
[12:21] <AndyEsser> mfa298: I think we've had this discussion before :)
[12:21] <Ian_> Try NEVER10 from GRC
[12:22] <Ian_> if you aren't on win10 already
[12:22] <AndyEsser> it's ok - I'll be switching things around so that all my PC's/hosts are Ubuntu, and then Win10 VMs instead
[12:22] <mfa298> AndyEsser: we have, when I pointed out you can tell win10 pro to delay install and reboot
[12:22] <AndyEsser> can delay, which is what I have
[12:22] <AndyEsser> but as it's largely unattended, it eventually restarts
[12:22] <mfa298> I'm not sure if you can delay indefinetly (although I imagine if you had AD and wsus in the mix as well you could)
[12:25] <mfa298> looks like you can just delay updates rather than stop them on Pro.
[12:26] <AndyEsser> and once again we've come full circle :P
[12:26] <AndyEsser> I have a vague recollection of sending you a screenshot showing Pro and my options :)
[12:26] <AndyEsser> I guess I could just take the PC off the internet...
[12:28] <mfa298> setup AD and wsus in some VM's and use that to control your updates
[12:29] <mfa298> although that might be a bit of overkill
[12:30] <AndyEsser> I used to run DC's and Exchange at home
[12:30] <AndyEsser> might do that again sometime
[12:30] <AndyEsser> but yea, in VMs this time, not tin
[12:32] <mfa298> I looked at exchange once, then saw it wants crazy amounts of ram.
[12:33] <AndyEsser> that's easy enough to fix
[12:33] <AndyEsser> but by default it loads the entire mailstore into memory up to MAX_RAM basically
[12:36] <fsphil> imap support (on the version we have at least) is pretty poor
[12:36] <mfa298> for my needs sendmail + dovecot works just as well and needs much less ram
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[12:38] <fsphil> yeah my personal setup is postfix+dovecot. can't use it in the office though, they like the calendar stuff
[12:40] <AndyEsser> fsphil: you just reminded me about postfix... gah
[12:40] <AndyEsser> I like Exchange because of awesome ActiveSync
[12:40] <AndyEsser> have never liked POP3/IMAP
[12:41] <Ian_> and the fact that it's proprietry . . .
[12:41] <Ian_> Exchange that is!
[12:42] <fsphil> postfix is quite nice
[12:42] <fsphil> just does its thing, no problems at all
[12:44] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I had a world of pain trying to use postfix to relay data to our exchange server at my last place
[12:44] <AndyEsser> wanted to have an instance on AWS that ran anti-spam/av stuff, and then forwarded down to exchange
[12:47] <fsphil> ah. we have that setup here
[12:47] <mfa298> I've just stuck with sendmail, which also just does it's thing. I did look at postfix once and it's config seemed to be getting as bad as sendmail
[12:47] <fsphil> normally just needs a line in /etc/postfix/transport
[12:47] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yes
[12:48] <AndyEsser> if I had lnux users on the box that matched all the email addresses
[12:48] <AndyEsser> otherwise by default it'll bomb out saying no mailbox matches address
[12:48] <fsphil> ah. ours forwards everything
[12:48] <AndyEsser> which is what I ended up with
[12:48] <AndyEsser> but took me about 2-3 days to get working
[12:48] <AndyEsser> and then the MD goes "can we add another email domain?"
[12:48] <AndyEsser> about 2 months later, when I'd forgotten everything :P
[12:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03dave_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=dave_chase
[12:50] <swaledale_steve> cant remember who was asking yesterday about LoRa gateway LEDs but the correct config in gateway.txt is NetworkLED=22, InternetLED=23, ActivityLED_0=24, ActivityLED_1=25
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[13:06] <AndyEsser> fsphil: don't suppose you're around much this weekend? :)
[13:14] <fsphil> yeah, finally have a weekend at home
[13:15] <daveake> Finally I have a day at home
[13:15] <fsphil> hah
[13:15] <fsphil> you do seem to be constantly travelling
[13:15] <daveake> Yeah, nothing planned now though
[13:16] <AndyEsser> HAB VAN clocking up the miles :)
[13:16] <AndyEsser> or is it HAB 1?
[13:16] <daveake> Yeah back in the garage for an oil leak
[13:16] <fsphil> my clio is in the garage atm, MOT test later today
[13:16] <fsphil> they phoned me earlier and basically said it wasn't worth fixing
[13:16] <daveake> lol
[13:16] <AndyEsser> :(
[13:16] <daveake> Yeah might get the same here
[13:17] <fsphil> I only left it in for new break pads :)
[13:17] <fsphil> apparently the back left of it is falling to pieces
[13:17] <daveake> oh
[13:17] <AndyEsser> not good
[13:17] <daveake> at least when the habmobile gets recycled, I'll get something for it (they pay by weight)
[13:18] <fsphil> I've been thinking about changing it anyway, so this might finally nudge me into doing that
[13:18] <daveake> and rust must weigh more than the original iron (O2 added)
[13:18] <fsphil> quite an attractive colour too
[13:18] <daveake> yeah it's easy to keep hold of an old car too long
[13:18] <fsphil> yeah. this was my first car
[13:19] <fsphil> I'm quite fond of it despite all the problems
[13:19] <daveake> yeah happens
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[13:35] <Ian_> It's too easy to get to the end without having given proper thought to a succession path.
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[13:42] <swaledale_steve> the habmobile is 20% coax cable isnt it? ;)
[13:44] <fsphil> 5% Pi
[13:44] <fsphil> should be À% really
[13:44] <daveake> 15% Lead-Acid battery
[13:44] <AndyEsser> 10% latex
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[16:19] <Laurenceb> has anyone here ever used RN41 or Rn42 bluetooth modules?
[16:20] <mattbrejza> BTLE? microchip?
[16:21] <Laurenceb> microchip bluetooth 2.1
[16:21] <mattbrejza> oh im thinking of RM4020
[16:21] <mattbrejza> so no
[16:21] <Laurenceb> I'm having bluetooth issues, wondering if the module is at fault
[16:21] <mattbrejza> *RN
[16:22] <Laurenceb> I get disconnection after a few seconds of data is exchanged
[16:23] <Laurenceb> just spent 2 days rewriting bluetooth code to use QBluetooth, problem is unchanged :(
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[18:43] <PE2BZ> Good evening/ night to all !
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[21:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CZ_HAB_OL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CZ_HAB_OL
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[23:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ERRNO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ERRNO
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