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[02:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-11
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[05:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03tarks_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=tarks_chase
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[07:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[07:52] <pb0ahx> gm all
[07:52] <pb0ahx> !flights
[07:52] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03BARC 10(1cfa), 03CLEAPSS1 10(964c)
[07:52] <pb0ahx> !pauload BARC
[07:52] <pb0ahx> !payload BARC
[07:52] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03BARC 10(1cfa) 03$$BARC - 03PITS Test - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/910Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[08:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
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[08:52] <pb0ahx> BARC team GL
[08:58] <gonzo_> looks like they had a telem issye just after launch?
[08:58] <gonzo_> lost data.
[08:59] <gonzo_> So I eventually get to use the pun: Their BARC is worse than their BYTE !
[09:00] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: how long have you been waiting for that one?
[09:00] <gonzo_> hehe, months
[09:00] <AndyEsser> it's a good one :)
[09:06] <fsphil> no puns allowed at emf camp
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[09:06] <AndyEsser> o god... I'm not even sure my antenna will fit in my hire car...
[09:09] <gonzo_> !? Not sure I would survive the weekend
[09:09] <gonzo_> puns are like tourettes. They are not voluntary
[09:09] <gonzo_> feck, arse, girls......Drink
[09:14] <Ian_> Things like X50 are often better on the outside, but hire cars rarely have roof racks. I always lashed to a plank so that they didn't get damaged in transit. The plank was secured to the rack - yes, horizontally. :)
[09:15] <Ian_> I'm just going out, but AndyEsser what is the model of truck you are going to get?
[09:15] <pb0ahx> !dial BARC
[09:15] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(1cfa): 03434.451 MHz, 434.45064 MHz
[09:15] <AndyEsser> Ian_: probably a Mitsubishi Warrior Trojan
[09:16] <AndyEsser> aww the specific one I wanted has gone :(
[09:16] <fsphil> I kinda hope that runs Windows on something
[09:16] <fsphil> "Trojan catches Windows"
[09:16] <AndyEsser> lol
[09:17] <fsphil> "How do I remove Windows from my Trojan"
[09:17] <Ian_> Ta, I'll Google a pic and drool for you! Today I have to fit a lot of beekeeping stuff into a Picaso. Best the xyl doesn't see how it all fits
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[09:17] <AndyEsser> was going to send you a pic to the one I had eyes on but it's gone :(
[09:19] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/rdwu7AN.jpg
[09:19] <fsphil> why am I not surprised something like this exists
[09:19] <Ian_> Just had a look . . . The back will fill up with rain, leaves and snow and nothing is secure. Need 4x4 beefy people carrier - with seats folded down
[09:19] <whiteg6> !dial barc
[09:19] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(1cfa): 03434.451 MHz, 434.45064 MHz
[09:19] <AndyEsser> Ian_: that's what a cover or tarp is for
[09:19] <Ian_> fsphil :)
[09:20] <Ian_> tarps give no security
[09:20] <AndyEsser> I'm not looking for security for stuff in the back
[09:20] <pb0ahx> mmm same time as Funcube now both signaals koming up now trhan first
[09:20] <pb0ahx> funcube
[09:20] <fsphil> what?
[09:20] <fsphil> what's trhan?
[09:20] <Ian_> than
[09:21] <fsphil> ah
[09:21] <gonzo_> and in the rear view mirror you vget to see.... the back end of a horse
[09:21] <Ian_> maybe :)
[09:21] <fsphil> rear view </uh huhhuhhuh>
[09:22] <gonzo_> sounds like an html tag bevis and buthead
[09:24] <Ian_> I like the go anywhere chasis, but the accommodation of the warrior leaves a lot to be desired IMHO. I've seen the back of too many wet Landies; not fun.
[09:24] <Ian_> The best would be a 4x4 off road Mercedes white van. traction and capacity
[09:25] <Ian_> afk bees
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[09:30] <fsphil> lets hope for no bees at emf
[09:31] <pb0ahx> PA0RPA_, dial is 434.451
[09:32] <gonzo_> is that the BARC one?
[09:32] <craag> heh, stick a beekeeping village on the map and see how long before you get an email from the orga
[09:33] <craag> "Erm just checking, you're not actually bringing bees right?"
[09:33] <gonzo_> would be a good way to get village space
[09:33] <craag> haha
[09:34] <gonzo_> I have a big sign somewhere, 'Warning Non-ionising Radiation'. off an old radar site
[09:38] <pb0ahx> satelliete down now BARC
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[09:41] <PA0RPA_> Shift BARC + - 450 !
[09:41] <pb0ahx> 720
[09:41] <pb0ahx> 300/720 8n2
[09:43] <pb0ahx> lot off qsb here
[09:44] <pb0ahx> no preamp here now
[09:44] <Maxell> 434.451 300/720 8n2 tuning right now
[09:44] <pb0ahx> yep morning Maxell
[09:44] <Maxell> o/
[09:44] <PA0RPA_> Correction Shift : +- 600 no 720 !
[09:45] <pb0ahx> if i set 600 shift than lot more red lines
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[09:47] <Maxell> Partials, waiting for all things to warm up
[09:49] <PA0RPA_> Is very weak here behind wet Trees ! No detection yet , probably more than 600 shift indeed .
[09:50] <arjunnaha> Ian_: I can testify that of my experience (of one chase), big SUV's are very good for fitting big things inside :)
[09:53] <gonzo_> like a pre inflated balloon (see steve's pics)
[09:54] <gonzo_> hmmm, BARC payload doc error, again. Well I'm not powering up all my kit again.
[09:54] <daveake> And for driving around firing ranges
[09:55] <daveake> (I may have mentioned this before)
[09:55] <pb0ahx> BARC is fast
[09:55] <gonzo_> I've got some big sheets of 5mm steel. You need any fitting to your doors?
[09:56] <gonzo_> look like something from the old A team episodes
[09:56] <arjunnaha> Some kevlar might be useful for firing ranges ;)
[09:56] <pb0ahx> wat is expekt hight ??
[09:56] <daveake> The guns had gone :-)
[09:56] <gonzo_> they were planning an ambush
[09:57] <daveake> Ah well we outfoxed them then
[09:58] <gonzo_> luck they didn't set the dogs after you then
[09:58] <swaledale> the foxes had guns?
[09:58] <daveake> I wondered why the red flags were still up :-)
[09:58] <gonzo_> it's the new liberal telfties plan against the foxhunters
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[09:58] <gonzo_> that was probably just where the reacoats had snagged on the barbed wire
[09:59] <gonzo_> lefties
[10:02] <swaledale> anyone know what happened to the flight last week that plummeted into the earth at about 14km/s?
[10:02] <swaledale> was it recoverd?
[10:03] <gonzo_> well, it will have a bad headache
[10:03] <daveake> It was recovered
[10:03] <swaledale> hooray
[10:03] <gonzo_> still txing?
[10:04] <AndyEsser> daveake: in many small pieces?
[10:04] <daveake> They tweeted it. No comments about the condition of what had survived. The had game and spot as well as radio
[10:04] <daveake> Gsn
[10:04] <daveake> Stupid phone
[10:04] <daveake> Gsm
[10:04] <gonzo_> we knew what you menat
[10:04] <gonzo_> what was the chute situation?
[10:04] <daveake> I didn't
[10:05] <x-f> 14km/s?
[10:05] <daveake> Dunno
[10:05] <daveake> Yes 14 est
[10:05] <daveake> So the chute did very little
[10:06] <swaledale> well glad it was recovered, was hoping there would be a post mortem on the chute!
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[10:08] <daveake> Yeah
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[10:16] <Vaizki> 14km/s .. not much leff if a chute then
[10:16] <Vaizki> ;)
[10:16] <Vaizki> and stupid phone here too
[10:17] <Vaizki> it doesn't help to use 4 languages regularly on the same phone
[10:17] <Vaizki> the autocorrect learns sooo many words
[10:19] <daveake> The chute would need to be about the size of the payload to do 14m/s
[10:20] <daveake> Was supposedly 60"
[10:20] <Vaizki> I was just being an ass about the km...
[10:21] <daveake> I had 'help' on a flight a while back. As I started to let the balloon up, the chute came through my hands .... upside down :-/
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[10:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-16 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-16
[10:29] <pb0ahx> Team BARC tnx was a good flight for me for testing antenne
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[10:45] <swaledale> Well done to BARC for missing Scampton!
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[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[12:19] <Rebounder> Nice liftoff for S-16
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[12:43] <barc> Hi Guys, thanks to all those who listened in on our luanch today. Got nice and high at 35 km, images look great!
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[12:46] <gonzo_> barc, you may have got more if you had updated the flight docs. People were listing on the frong freqs
[12:46] <gonzo_> wrong
[12:47] <barc> hun, thats quite odd, will have to double check next time!
[12:48] <barc> huh*
[12:48] <AndyEsser> I call gonzo_ hun all the time :P
[12:48] <fsphil> it's ok sweetie
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[12:48] <gonzo_> I think it was 434.250 on the doc
[12:49] <gonzo_> we are all good friends here.
[12:49] <barc> hahaha
[12:49] <gonzo_> did you announce the flight on the google group?
[12:51] <barc> ahh i will double check that then,
[12:51] <barc> no it came together very last minute in the end
[12:51] <barc> will bear that in mind for next time
[12:52] <gonzo_> that would get you more receivers, as people may need to set remote stations up before going to work
[12:53] <fsphil> mmm. I need to get my remote setup again
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[13:02] <barc> understood, will look into it for next time, cheers
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[13:27] <jakeio> If I intend to use Lithium Energizers in my next payload, how should I configure this?
[13:38] <mfa298> I'd generally red wire to the +ve end
[13:43] <fsphil> make sure they're well secured into the battery holder
[13:43] <jakeio> Do I need a regulator or anything?
[13:43] <fsphil> well that depends
[13:44] <fsphil> what do you want to power with them?
[13:44] <jakeio> RasPi Zero (2 of them actually).
[13:45] <fsphil> then yes you will likely need some kind of regulation
[13:50] <jakeio> Would a 5V 1.5A regulator suffice? Pi Zero idles at about 65mA and stresses at about 350mA and the PiCam draws about 250mA so that should be fine?
[13:53] <fsphil> yeah that's loads. do ensure your battery voltage will be high enough
[13:53] <fsphil> remember the regulator will only work if the input voltage is above vout + vdrop
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[14:04] <mfa298> look for somethign that's switching rather than linear as well.
[14:04] <mfa298> linear Iin == Iout and the unused voltage just becomes heat
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[14:24] <fsphil> also remember the voltage of the battery will drop as they're used up (though not much for lithiums)
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[14:48] <craag> fyi I did a pi zero + cam flight recently, with 3x AA -> 5v on pi gpio header
[14:48] <craag> no regulator
[14:48] <craag> works well with lithiums
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[14:58] <richardeoin> craag: you mean you were using the pi's regulators
[14:59] <richardeoin> the 5v net just goes to usb, hdmi, the buck and a the soc buck
[14:59] <craag> yep, so it doesn't need a regulated 5v line
[15:00] <richardeoin> if you're not using usb or hdmi it's within spec to take it down to 3.5v
[15:00] <craag> I had the ntx2b on the 5v line too, and that had problems well before the pi did
[15:00] <richardeoin> ha yup
[15:01] <richardeoin> I'm powering mine from solar, works fine
[15:01] <gonzo_> what is the min V for the ntx2b?
[15:01] <gonzo_> the ntx2 worked down to 2.9V?
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[15:02] <craag> yep, pi worked to less than that
[15:02] <craag> although only really noticable when testing with alkalines
[15:03] <craag> as lithiums won't spend much time under 1v per cell
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[16:02] <daveake> Most USB things seem happy with 3v3
[16:02] <daveake> I'm sure there are exceptions but I've yet to find one
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[16:40] <adamgreig> has anyone written an stm32 bootloader?
[16:41] <adamgreig> Laurenceb: btw my smtstencils only shipped yesterday night and won't arrive til tomorrow, a week later :(
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[17:09] <Laurenceb> <adamgreig> that sucks, I've had better experiences with them
[17:09] <Laurenceb> stm32 bootloader - I've used the built in one
[17:10] <Laurenceb> together with bluetooth modules on sealed units
[17:10] <adamgreig> yea last time I got one from them (a long long time ago) it was quicker
[17:10] <adamgreig> this had an awful lot of cutting though
[17:10] <adamgreig> mm I've used the built in one and it's fine but I need something different for this
[17:11] <Laurenceb> check leaflabs maple for usb bootloader
[17:11] <adamgreig> will have a look, thanks
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[18:00] <Ian_> arjunnaha Yes, big cab space that is flexible, fold down or take out seats is better than a Ute with an open back. My Picasso was not quite full with 20 30lb honey buckets, 18 honey supers and a load of old other tat today. With a Warrior I may not have been able to carry it all and it would have been wet today.
[18:00] <SIbot> In real units: 30 lbs = 13.6 kg
[18:01] <Ian_> Shame I have no off road/rough track capability
[18:09] <arjunnaha> Quattro came in quite handy when we were navigating the country roads
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[18:13] <daveake> Mrs Dave had a Picasso. Quite a lot of space with the rear seats out.
[18:14] <Ian_> So what's your recommendation for a HAB chase vehicle daveake. Given that you don't drive a Warrior :) too much sense I suspect!
[18:15] <Ian_> Always good with fold down and removable seat options
[18:16] <Ian_> The problem with taking seats out - never done it - is that you suddenly realise how small the house is - nowhere to put them!
[18:18] <daveake> Yeah can't see the appeal of pickup trucks. No good for anything long as it's a separate load space. Then there's the lack of security.
[18:20] <daveake> 4x4 is handy sometimes when chasing. Ground clearance ditto. Anything from a Rav4 upward is fine.
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[19:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[19:52] <jakeio> Is the owner of Random Engineering on the channel?
[19:56] <Ian_> That would be RocketBoy
[19:56] <jakeio> Thanks Ian_!
[19:57] <Ian_> Look for a fine day and he's the guy holding the balloon
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[20:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[20:22] <Babs> Evening all - after the debacle of my aborted Stabilotron-II broken string balloon take off leaving the tracker behind thing a few weeks ago, I have licked my wounds and instead gone into full construction mode
[20:22] <Babs> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/28397249760/in/album-72157636929911016/
[20:22] <adamgreig> link is broken :(
[20:24] <Babs> any better https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/28397249760/in/album-72157636929911016/
[20:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> works
[20:25] <Babs> that gets mated to this at some point https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/27609169821/in/album-72157636929911016/
[20:25] <Babs> in a micro sized vehicle assembly building scenario
[20:27] <Babs> close ups https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/28603518501/in/album-72157636929911016/
[20:27] <Babs> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/28575573492/in/album-72157636929911016/
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[20:33] <Vaizki> Babs: are you just conformal coating the pcbs and flying them naked?
[20:33] <Vaizki> that's a pretty stack
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[20:37] <Babs> no, Vaizki, getting covered with blue polystyrene eventually
[20:38] <adamgreig> nice work Babs :)
[20:38] <adamgreig> looks cool
[20:38] <Babs> some of the gyros in particular need to be kept at a constant temperature and so need a lot of insulation
[20:39] <Babs> the last thing I am grappling with is that the camera battery doesn't have sufficient capacity to take all of the photos I want
[20:39] <Babs> so will be doing an external battery like Stabilotron-I
[20:39] <Babs> BUT
[20:40] <Babs> the external battery needs to be located in the top half, with the battery wires going to the camera going through 2 slip rings
[20:40] <Vaizki> you just need 1 good photo.. :)
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[20:40] <Babs> I need to make sure it has constant power in the case that the slip rings momentarily lose connection
[20:40] <Babs> I have the battery going through 4 separate wires, 2 positive, 2 negative
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[20:41] <Babs> but it probably needs some kind of capacitor in the actual bottom half to be doubly safe
[20:41] <Babs> can't risk it being depowered and shutting itself down mid flight
[20:41] <Vaizki> sounds iffy as hell .. pardon my french
[20:42] <Vaizki> can you keep the internal battery of the camera and use the external power as an in-flight charger?
[20:43] <Babs> the camera i have can't charge and run at the same time
[20:43] <Babs> and the external battery adaptor is a dummy battery shape that fits in the battery compartment
[20:44] <Babs> one thing i did consider was running two batteries in parallel
[20:44] <Babs> the big one in the top which would be connected at worst 99.9% of the time
[20:44] <Babs> and a smaller one in the camera housing
[20:44] <daveake> What camera is that? All mine will run happily on external power
[20:45] <Babs> Sony A6000
[20:45] <Babs> I decided not to run a DSLR this time because of weight
[20:45] <daveake> Yeah
[20:45] <Babs> but wanted something better than a compact
[20:46] <daveake> I was quite impressed with the Git2 thing. £116 including a zillion accessories.
[20:46] <Babs> so going for a mirrorless, but the canon eos-m gets a bad rap
[20:46] <daveake> That's for video though - wouldn't be great for stills
[20:46] <daveake> I have one
[20:46] <Babs> whereas the sony one gets a good review and is quite compact
[20:46] <daveake> It's not the quickest at focussing
[20:47] <daveake> But it's a nice little camera
[20:47] <Babs> I did consider running a video camera by the side of it
[20:47] <daveake> Not flowing it :)
[20:47] <daveake> er
[20:47] <daveake> Not flown it
[20:47] <Babs> but there is no room really
[20:47] <Babs> (big hope)
[20:47] <Babs> the thing is so stable and with photos every few seconds or so I can run a time lapse with it all
[20:48] <daveake> Got your tickets for the USA yet then? :)
[20:48] <Babs> In the words of CP3O, I put my chances of success at 3746
[20:48] <Babs> to 1
[20:48] <Babs> No, not yet
[20:48] <daveake> nor me
[20:48] <Babs> are you going?!?!
[20:48] <Babs> cool
[20:48] <daveake> Planning to yes indeedy
[20:48] <daveake> Current plan is Wyoming
[20:48] <daveake> as it's empty
[20:49] <Babs> thats exactly where we were thinking
[20:49] <daveake> :)
[20:49] <Babs> I say exactly, we could still be 200 miles apart
[20:49] <daveake> Don't want to be anywhere near any of the cities close to the path
[20:49] <daveake> lol
[20:49] <Babs> please don't knock up something with Upu the weekend before and do a better job than my 3-year effort
[20:50] <Babs> 2 months ago I put my chances of getting it ready at pretty much zero with another baby due in October
[20:50] <Babs> but its all come together pretty quickly
[20:50] <Babs> my friends consider my casting of expanded polystyrene rather than wrapping it in bubble wrap quite extreme behaviour
[20:51] <Babs> If I can get it ready ahead of the baby and then just have 7 months to balance and refine the thing it could happen
[20:51] <daveake> Grand Teton in particular
[20:51] <daveake> Happy to join forces
[20:52] <Babs> particularly with stuff like finding sources of helium, tracking etc. it would be good to join forces
[20:52] <Babs> Are there many tracking people over there?
[20:52] Action: jcoxon feels that something cool is occuring on the channel right now
[20:52] <daveake> Gotta be worth the trip HAB or no HAB
[20:53] <daveake> btw I'm on a ferry to Ireland so if I disappear it's due to lack of internets
[20:53] <daveake> arko was interested in coming too
[20:54] <Babs> cool. I have some pyrotechnic charges built and I needed someone to mail them to
[20:54] <daveake> Helium I have no idea but will probably need to get that in whatever city I fly into
[20:54] <Babs> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[20:54] <Vaizki> I'm also considering flying over but no definite plan yet
[20:54] <daveake> As for tracking, I'm comfortable we can do that with a small team
[20:55] <Vaizki> and it's a bit difficult with family.. they don't consider sleeping in a hammock tent "fun"
[20:55] <Babs> In all seriousness I have two trackers and a deconstructed and gimbalfied spot tracker as a back up, but I'd still like the ability to bring it down remotely
[20:55] <daveake> I'm thinking either a huuge 4x4 and tent, or an RV
[20:55] <daveake> Mrs will vote for the latter I have no doubt
[20:55] <Vaizki> I don't think there will be a spare RV in the continental US..
[20:55] <daveake> hah
[20:55] <Babs> You need to ship your mobile command and control centre over there
[20:56] <daveake> Oh and I want to get a local ham license when I'm over
[20:56] <Vaizki> I am so utterly fingers crossed it won't be thick black clouds and torrential rain that day
[20:57] <Babs> We will totally be above the clouds
[20:57] <Vaizki> I won't be
[20:57] <daveake> Well ... the plus side is that if it is, you drive somewhere that it isn't
[20:57] <daveake> 1000's of miles of track :)
[20:57] <Babs> in fact the other day I was thinking that I might prefer not seeing it directly to get better contrast of the shadow on clouds vs. land
[20:57] <Babs> (given the choice)
[20:58] <daveake> Fly many things
[20:58] <Vaizki> well the problem is that in the US you can't just camp somewhere..
[20:58] <daveake> Many balloons
[20:58] <daveake> yeah that's true
[20:58] <daveake> has to be an actual camp site
[20:58] <daveake> I've RV'd over there a few times
[20:58] <Vaizki> in Finland we have this "everyman's right of way" stuff where you can freely walk in any forests etc private or government owned
[20:59] <Vaizki> and to some extent camp there as well
[20:59] <Babs> I'm not around for the conference which I am really annoyed about as I wanted to bring Stabilotron-II along and get the Collective thinking about some of the potential things that I might need to adjust for
[20:59] <Vaizki> pick berries, mushrooms etc
[20:59] <Babs> e.g. magnometer readings at 30k vs. sea level etc.
[21:00] <Vaizki> you can even fish and use a boat on private lakes etc.. I think it's great
[21:00] <daveake> Tilt-compensated I assume?
[21:01] <Babs> Its the one (main thing I know) I am using off the shelf
[21:01] <Babs> one of the alexmos boards
[21:01] <daveake> ok
[21:01] <Babs> that will do all of the stable stuff
[21:01] <daveake> I have an i2c one that I flew
[21:01] <daveake> That was logging compass heading, yaw and the other one
[21:02] <Babs> then use the GPS to generate a bearing and apply a varying voltage to the yaw and pitch motors to do the camera pointy stuff
[21:02] <Babs> how did it get on daveake?
[21:02] <daveake> That was for my return-to-base thing, not camera-aiming
[21:02] <daveake> Not had time to check yet :/
[21:03] <daveake> It didn't fall over so that's something
[21:03] <daveake> RTLS1 - it's in habitat if you want to look
[21:03] <Babs> ok will do
[21:03] <daveake> I thought of doing two flights together, with one aiming its camera at the other
[21:04] <daveake> by picking up the lora messages and calculating the direction
[21:04] <daveake> then controlling 2 servos with a pi cam on the end
[21:04] <daveake> got more ideas thanm time at the mo
[21:05] <Babs> tell me about it
[21:06] <daveake> Once skycademy is out of the way I'll get back on it
[21:07] <Babs> I've actually got 12 laser cut gores making up a <2m superpressure balloon together with the double sided tape and a heat sealer in the spare room ready to be made
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[21:08] <Babs> theyve been sitting there for 6 months
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[21:57] <gurlavie> whats the weight of all of this ?
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[22:17] <adamgreig> any rpi users around?
[22:17] <richardeoin> I've been vaguely using one for a few weeks
[22:18] <adamgreig> I've never used one and I now have one and want it running ASAP
[22:18] <adamgreig> do I download raspbian or noobs
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[22:18] <richardeoin> raspbian imo
[22:18] <adamgreig> let's pretend I'm a competent linux user and I won't ever be plugging in a monitor anyway
[22:18] <adamgreig> is it easy to add some startup scripts to send me its ip address etc?
[22:18] <richardeoin> yup, raspbian lite for you
[22:18] <adamgreig> guess I can do that later
[22:19] <adamgreig> cool
[22:19] <adamgreig> hmm reckon lite will still do audio output?
[22:19] <richardeoin> raspbian lite prints its IP to the console on startup
[22:19] <mfa298> raspbian or raspbian lit, depending on whether you want gui or not
[22:20] <richardeoin> yeah daveake uses audio out on raspbian lite
[22:20] <richardeoin> for pits aprs
[22:20] <adamgreig> how do you get at the console?
[22:20] <adamgreig> does it have USB serial?
[22:20] <adamgreig> or is that a "connect a monitor" situation
[22:20] <mfa298> not sure if they still do, but raspbian used to use ahavi so you could often just ssh to raspberrypi.local
[22:20] <adamgreig> at home (now) I can just see what IP my router gave it
[22:21] <adamgreig> in a day or two (EMF) I want to know what IP it got from the stupid network
[22:21] <richardeoin> plug in usb keyboard and hdmi, or it's 115200 bd on pin 8
[22:21] <adamgreig> I mean we'll hopefully get a static IP from NOC for it but meh
[22:21] <adamgreig> richardeoin: ok
[22:21] <richardeoin> http://pinout.xyz
[22:21] <adamgreig> aww
[22:21] <adamgreig> I feel like usb serial is a missed opportunity
[22:21] <mfa298> theres serial on the headers, although I'm not sure how well it works on the pi3
[22:21] <adamgreig> the CHIPs run usb serial on their micro usb port, so you can just plug it in to your laptop to power and talk to it
[22:21] <adamgreig> serial on the headers needs a usb serial adapter and hdmi needs a monitor and I'd rather not use either really
[22:21] <adamgreig> but ok, enough whining
[22:21] <adamgreig> downloading raspbian lite, thanks
[22:22] <adamgreig> can i just ssh in?
[22:22] <adamgreig> or will it need ssh-server installed?
[22:22] <richardeoin> that's nice on the chip
[22:22] <mfa298> the microusb on the Pi is power only, it's only got a single usb peripheral on the Soc which goes to a hub chip for lan and USB ports on the B models
[22:22] <richardeoin> ssh is enabled by default pi/raspberry
[22:22] <adamgreig> the chip has a lot of well thought out things on it
[22:22] <adamgreig> but
[22:22] <adamgreig> it doesn't come with CDC-ACM drivers in its kernel image
[22:22] <adamgreig> and it was eeasier to buy an rpi than rebuild its kernel
[22:23] <mfa298> the 4.4 chip changed it's stuff on the microusb so broke serial for windows at least
[22:24] <adamgreig> guess everything is just terrible
[22:24] <mfa298> I also noticed my 4.3 chip seems to have a lot of things owned by the chip user that should normally be root
[22:28] <mfa298> CHIP seems to be great (although not so fast) hardware, just needs the OS to catch up.
[22:37] <adamgreig> should either of the ethernet lights on the rpi light up when I connect it?
[22:37] <adamgreig> like I would assume os
[22:38] <mfa298> they should do if the ethernet is connected
[22:38] <mfa298> which pi model do you have
[22:39] <adamgreig> 3
[22:39] <adamgreig> rebooted it and it seems to have picked up the cable this time
[22:39] <adamgreig> can't ssh in though lol
[22:41] <mfa298> On the board there should be a solid red led for power, and a blinking (~once/second) green led for activity
[22:42] <adamgreig> I have the solid red but no blinking
[22:42] <adamgreig> ethernet is connected and I can ping it, but connection refused if I try and ssh
[22:42] <adamgreig> ie it's done the dhcp thing and associated
[22:42] <Vaizki> it's real easy to set up a server process that sends out udp broadcasts with system info in plaintext.. then use ngrep to catch it with another machine on the same network
[22:42] <mfa298> that said the green led on my pi3 here isn't blinking that much
[22:43] <adamgreig> guess I'll reboot it again
[22:43] <mfa298> I think the latest raspbian does an expand filesystem and reboot the first boot after flashing the sd card.
[22:44] <adamgreig> haha I hope I didn't pull the power halfway through it doing that
[22:44] <mfa298> I was just wondering if you might have acheived that.
[22:44] <adamgreig> reflashing the sd card
[22:45] <mfa298> do you have any screen you can plug into it (the chip trrs cables match the pi if you want composite out)
[22:45] <adamgreig> score 1 for chip's onboard storage
[22:45] <adamgreig> oh handy
[22:45] <adamgreig> I'll find something yea
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[22:46] <mfa298> it's much easier flashing a new SD card though, flashing the CHIP seemed to be a bit of a pain.
[22:46] <adamgreig> the chrome thing worked very well for me but it is a shame they don't have a button rather than having to jumper fel
[22:47] <mfa298> although half my issue was tryign to do it on a small screen so half the google extensions window was cut off in a non obvious way
[22:47] <adamgreig> ah yea that sounds quite annoying
[22:47] <adamgreig> ok yes it resized root fs on boot
[22:47] <adamgreig> and now there's nothing out the hdmi after it rebooted
[22:47] <mfa298> it cut off just above the next button so I spent ages trying to persuade it to continue until I guessed there might be stuff I wasnt seeing
[22:48] <adamgreig> solid green activity light
[22:49] <adamgreig> yay
[22:49] <adamgreig> hard rebooted it again
[22:49] <adamgreig> and now it works and I can ssh in
[22:50] <adamgreig> thanks for the hand holding
[22:51] <mfa298> now you can stick dl-fldigi on it and start tracking flights ;)
[22:51] <mfa298> although that will need a gui installing as well
[22:51] <adamgreig> hah
[22:52] <mfa298> in my limited playing it looked like the pi3 could also do a bit of gnuradio, although it took a bit of hacking to get it working
[22:52] <mfa298> I think some of the boot settings needed fiddling
[22:53] <adamgreig> this baby's going to run the grid at emf
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EMFSUN - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EMFSUN
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