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[02:55] <arko> suggestions for things to do in London anyone?
[02:55] <arko> must dos
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[04:49] <DL7AD> good morning
[04:50] <DL7AD> fsphil: ping
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[06:46] <x-f> morgen
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[06:51] <x-f> SA6BSS-Mike, just an idea since you're into meteosonde hunting - you could ask or set up your own hourly predictor for the sonde launch site, then load the manifest.json file, filter the needed times (00z, 12z, etc) and check if the landing site is, for example, <10 km from you
[06:51] <x-f> like http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/cambridge/manifest.json
[06:51] <x-f> so you don't have to get up at night when it is not worth it
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[06:52] <x-f> or maybe you're already doing something like that.
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[07:16] <gonzo_> anyone looking for an EMF ticket???
[07:17] <gonzo_> someone mentioned having one thay want to sell on
[07:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> x-f: yes, David sm0(3)ulc have set it up for me.
[07:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> get mailnotification when a sonde is calculated to land within 30km in the next 3 days
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[07:30] <fsphil> DL7AD: more-sensible-hour-pong
[07:31] <x-f> SA6BSS-Mike, great :)
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[07:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[07:55] <pb0ahx> gm all
[07:55] <pb0ahx> !flights
[07:55] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03CLEAPSS1 10(964c)
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[08:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RPF-C1 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C1
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[08:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RPF-C2 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C2
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[08:27] <FatalFUUU> !flights
[08:27] <SpacenearUS> 03FatalFUUU: Current flights: 03CLEAPSS1 10(964c)
[08:28] <fsphil> beware the fuuu
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[08:49] <BubUK> Greetings
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[08:51] <FatalFUUU> g'day fsphil BubUK
[08:51] <fsphil> hey all
[08:52] <BubUK> Bit quiet in here. I was trying to get some help with pits
[08:53] <mfa298> BubUK: best to just ask, anyone who can help will likely appear (or be prodded)
[08:53] <fsphil> monday morning, don't think everyone's quite awake yet
[08:53] <Upu> ask away BubUK
[08:53] <mfa298> sometiems it's better asking when its quiet, your question doesnt get lost in the puns
[08:53] <fsphil> august already, yeesh
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[08:55] <BubUK> Well, I have a raspberry pi with pits hat and it's showing green led. Terminal is running tracker and rtty packets are showing on screen. All good so far...
[08:57] <BubUK> I have do-fldigi running and mvt-7100 connected plus tuned to correct frequency. Problem is, all I'm seeing is garbage and no decoded packets. I've spent hours on this and I can't get it to work so I'm stumped now.
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[08:58] <mfa298> screenshots of dl-fldigi might help, can you see the rtty signal in the waterfall ?
[08:59] <BubUK> I see plenty of lines in the waterfall
[09:01] <mfa298> do they look like what the PITS manual shows (I'm assuing the manual has some good screenshots)
[09:02] <BubUK> Similar. Yes.
[09:04] <mfa298> some screenshots will likely help showing waterfall and settings,
[09:04] <mfa298> also check the mvt is in usb mode rather than fm/am/lsb
[09:05] <BubUK> Yes, I'm just trying to workout how to get them. Mvt is in usb mode.
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[09:06] <daveake> Make sure you're tuned to the correct side of the signal. Easy to tune the wrong side when the transmitter is close and is overloading the receiver. If you tune the radio dial down a bit, the audio signal should go up in frequency; if it goes down then you're tuned incorrectly.
[09:07] <daveake> Beyond that, we need a screenshot
[09:07] <daveake> mfa298 Yes of course it has good screenshots :p
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[09:09] <BubUK> Yeah, I'm using irc on I
[09:10] <BubUK> iPad but laptop has screenshot. Just installing client.
[09:10] <Bub> right. how do i show you the screenshot ?
[09:13] <mfa298> heh, just grabbed my mvt to check what it showed, thought the batteries were dead so changed them, turns out its memory was just in a weird state
[09:13] <mfa298> most people paste images onto imgur
[09:16] <Bub> http://imgur.com/a/BP0eC
[09:16] <Bub> here goes nothing then ...
[09:16] <Bub> plus, my nick changed ;-(
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[09:22] <mfa298> that looks like either the mvt isn't on the right frequency or the audio input to fldifi is on the wrong device
[09:22] <mfa298> the data signal should be very obvious.
[09:23] <Bub> ah, ok, mvt certainly sounds like it's seeing a strong data signal - ill have a play with the laptop
[09:23] <mfa298> you may also find dl-fldigi in hab mode gives a better display, it gets rid of the blue transmit box
[09:23] <Bub> roger
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[09:25] <daveake> Yeah you should unplug the audio cable from the radio, and tune around until you can hear the signal. Obviously you won't know what to listen for, but it ought to be fairly obvious.
[09:25] <mfa298> for initial testing it might be worth setting the pits to run telemetry only and at 50 baud. the signal is fairly obvious then
[09:26] <mfa298> there's also a 50bd sample on the wiki somewhere so you know what to listen for
[09:27] <Bub> pits telemetry only - is that in pisky.txt ?
[09:27] <daveake> enable_camera=n, or something like that
[09:29] <fsphil> but pictures! :)
[09:29] <mfa298> if you want to listen to a 50bd sample theres some links in https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#background about 2/3 of the way through that section
[09:29] <Bub> ok, thats exactly what it sounds like.
[09:29] <Bub> http://imgur.com/a/BP0eC
[09:30] <mfa298> you might just need to tune down on the mvt by about 1khz (I think down is the right direction)
[09:31] <mfa298> looking at the screenshot again I think you might have part of the signal and then a load of signal images.
[09:35] <Bub> the pits is on 434.250 the mvt was on this
[09:42] <mfa298> you may need to be slighty off frquency on the mvt for a good signal
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[09:45] <Bub> im very confused now. whatever I change the mvt to I'm still seeing only lots of thin lines - unless I go further away and the strength drops then i see nothing but noise
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[09:46] <fsphil> check fldigi isn't recording from your laptops microphone
[09:47] <Bub> http://imgur.com/a/NIvs3
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[09:47] <fsphil> are you in FM mode on the radio?
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[09:47] <Bub> the headphone jack from mvt is plugged into mike jack socket on laptop
[09:47] <Bub> in usb mode on mvt
[09:48] <swaledale> is it definitely a mic port and not a combined mic/headphone port
[09:48] <fsphil> and without the cable in the mvt it sounds like that example rtty?
[09:48] <Bub> no, theyre seperate ports
[09:48] <swaledale> ok
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[09:50] <swaledale> check the correct device is selected in fldigi audio settings, to capture from the mic socket and not the mic in the laptop as fsphil suggested
[09:51] <mfa298> a simple test might be to see if the waterfal goes blank if you turn the mvt off
[09:51] <Bub> capture is set to microsoft sound mapper - input
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[09:52] <Bub> yes, waterfall goes blank with mvt off
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[09:53] <fsphil> interesting
[09:53] <Bub> shortly after turning mvt off :- http://imgur.com/a/K74iN
[09:53] <swaledale> ok, good to disable the mic in the laptop then. you can do that in recording devices in the windows audio settings. better still, if the laptop has a 'mute mic' button that's easier
[09:55] <Bub> ok, i disabled the internal mike now. same waterfall though.
[09:56] <fsphil> if you tune around on the radio, does the waterfall change at all?
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[09:57] <mfa298> that waterfall change would suggest the sound settings on the laptop were correct
[09:57] <Bub> yes, lines move left/right accordingly then, as signal drops, disappear
[09:57] <mfa298> you just need to tune into the right thing
[09:57] <mfa298> there should be two very obvious lines in the waterfall
[09:57] <Bub> and there arent
[09:57] <swaledale> and when you turn the volume up and down, the lines change then too i assume
[09:58] <mfa298> if you can't see the data lines that would suggest youre on the wrong frequency on the mvt
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[10:00] <mfa298> it should look like page 20 of http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/data/uploads/pits-manual.pdf
[10:00] <mfa298> two obvious yellow blocks of data
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[10:01] <mfa298> seperated to whatever the shift value is (I think 600Hz for the PITS by default)
[10:01] <Bub> yes, volume on mvt changes waterfall. not seeing 2 obvious bands. i agree, freq looks wrong so mvt must be out ?
[10:02] <mfa298> if you havn't already tune the mvt down by 1KHz, you should see the bands in dl-fldigi move up
[10:02] <mfa298> so from 434.250 to 434.249
[10:03] <Bub> yes. got something which looked more like it should when i went the other way up to about .254 though
[10:07] <Bub> @ 434.254.0 http://imgur.com/a/7VYs5
[10:07] <mfa298> that looks more like it
[10:08] <mfa298> you'll need to adjust the shift down in dl-fldigi to match the signal
[10:08] <fsphil> yes much better
[10:08] <mfa298> the two redlines you can move around with the screen need to go over the strong part of the signal
[10:09] <mfa298> I'd reckon the signal is around 600Hz wide, and you're set to around 900Hz
[10:10] <mfa298> if you've got an antenna on the mvt you mgiht find it helps to remove it so the signals a bit weaker
[10:10] <Bub> ok
[10:12] <Bub> width set yo 600Hz now, antenna removed. still getting garbage in dl-fldigi
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[10:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
[10:25] <mfa298> if you're on the wrong image of the signal you might need to press the rv button on dl-fldigi
[10:25] <Bub> MVT now set to 434.253.6 and image now looks like this :- http://imgur.com/a/uSdJY
[10:26] <Bub> what does rv do ?
[10:28] <Bub> at 37db this surely must be the right signal ?
[10:30] <mfa298> rv reverses which tone is seen as the mark and which is the space.
[10:31] <mfa298> you may also want to turn the volume down on the mvt a bit, the red diamond (botom right of the screensot) shoulf be green, red indicates too loud
[10:31] <Bub> ah. ok. will do that.
[10:33] <Bub> AH HA! Nearly there. I can see the telemetry with a few typos in it so none decoded yet (I rebooted the pi)
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[10:54] <fsphil> your volume is a little high
[10:55] <BubUK> It's turned back into garbage now
[10:56] <fsphil> it might be too strong, maybe worth removing one or both antennas
[10:56] <fsphil> though I think that radio can handle a strong signal
[10:57] <fsphil> should certainly better than the SDRs
[11:04] <BubUK> Very frustrating. Thought I'd got it nearly working with all the help I'd had but now seem to be back at square 1. Thank god it's not attached to a balloon !!
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[11:06] <fsphil> hah, yes
[11:06] <fsphil> testing x10000
[11:06] <fsphil> +1
[11:06] <fsphil> and again for luck
[11:07] <mfa298> lots of practice now should mean that if you do have issues during a fligt you know what knobs to twiddle for best effect.
[11:07] <fsphil> mmm
[11:07] <fsphil> builds experience
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[11:07] <fsphil> at this point it might be worth making a recording on your computer of the signal
[11:07] <fsphil> and let one of us try to decode it
[11:08] <fsphil> just to verify that part is working
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[11:20] <BubUK> Is there an easy way to do that?
[11:31] <swaledale> File, Audiom RX Capture
[11:31] <swaledale> File, Audio, RX Capture*
[11:32] <BubUK> Thnx. Will run it now.
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[11:35] <Bub> is there an easy way in which to share the sound capture ?
[11:36] <swaledale> Dropbox, OneDrive etc
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[11:42] <Bub> capture :- https://www.dropbox.com/s/plce6tyyy1ayj5e/capture.wav?dl=0
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[11:46] <fsphil> yes that's not quite decoding right
[11:46] <Bub> yes. any ideas ?
[11:47] <Bub> looks a bit like this :- "4mÚÍfæÍæ™aÍMMÍóóæfM2/:://,:3f10"4mÚÍf&¦æ™aMfMÍÍÍæf&Û://(233f1""MaÍf&¦æ™aMfM&ÍÍÍæf$Ú//,63f1""MaÍf&¶ìÚæ™aMM¦ÍÍÍææfr/f://,23"¦f12""MaÍf&æìÚö™aMM¦ÍÍÍææfM2::/.,23
[11:47] <Bub> f1""4M`Åb&ææ™amM¦ÍÍÍææfM3::/9fæf1fsÍæMaÍf&æ
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[11:47] <fsphil> well, I'm seeing better than that
[11:47] <fsphil> one sec
[11:47] <swaledale> that audio seems a little distorted to me, it could be too loud from the radio. i get partial decodes of that
[11:47] <swaledale> $$BWBNET,429,11:32;Í54.05665,-0.8021,0010¸¬00,10,20.9,0.,0.000*3839
[11:48] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[11:48] <swaledale> $$BUBNET,433,11:32:16,54.05667,-0.80249,0Ü5,0,0,10,20.8,0.0,0.0°ª7972
[11:48] <BubUK> I'm not even getting that. I was earlier but now it's broken. Should start $$BUBNET
[11:49] <swaledale> You need to be in RTTY with 300baud and 600 carrier shift, 8 bits, no parity and 2 stop bits
[11:49] <BubUK> Yes, I am
[11:50] <swaledale> ok then you need to click over the top of where you see two red 'lines' streaming down the waterfall, those are where your data is. I suspect they are deafening fldigi though
[11:50] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/i1XLviy.png
[11:51] <fsphil> the wav file looks rather odd in audacity
[11:52] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/XzgqvMz.png
[11:53] <fsphil> what would be generating the sawtooth wave I wonder
[11:54] <fsphil> bad dc offset too
[11:54] <fsphil> do you have a usb sound dongle?
[11:54] <fsphil> to try as an alternative to your laptop's mic in
[12:00] <Bub> The sawtooth does look wrong. I just changed a windoze setting for the external mike and it seems to have sorted the problem. Getting lots of good decodes now.
[12:01] <Bub> Thank you all so much for your assistance. This definately isn't for beginners ;-)
[12:01] <Bub> Take a looksie at this bad boy :- http://imgur.com/a/dOYEA
[12:04] <swaledale> yes, thats a strong signal with less noise
[12:04] <swaledale> what setting did you change
[12:04] <Bub> onto the LORA board now. haha. might have to go and do some work first as I've just lost 6 hours ;-0
[12:05] <Bub> Recording Devices / Levels - changed them all to zero
[12:09] <daveake> Sometimes the mic/line input will have "effects" enabled - those need turning off
[12:12] <Bub> yes, they must have been set by default as I'd not changed them. Looks like that was the problem in the end. The wave shape was a bit of a give away.
[12:14] <Ian_> Certainly at 50 Baud the MK-I ears are a reliable first line bit of test gear. It gets a lot more subjective at 300 Baud :)
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[12:17] <BubUK> I think the main problem was that this was the first attempt so it could have been all sorts of things - settings on RPi, settings in digi, laptop or even the Mvt. I had no idea where to start looking and it took most of the morning to pinpoint the issue with a lot of help from the kind folks on here!
[12:20] <Ian_> I suspect that fsphil's ears are well tuned and know just what's right. It's all pretty much down to experience, which is why it's good to get a lot of ground sector experience in before launching that elusive first HAB. Sort of like developing parenting skills
[12:21] <Ian_> Gosh, isn't that first step a bit steep . . . it gets easier though.
[12:21] <BubUK> Yes. I'm sure it is. No gain without pain etc.
[12:21] <Vaizki> It's a multi-discipline art
[12:22] <Ian_> Discipline, now there's a subject :)
[12:22] <Vaizki> lots of variables, fortunately almost all of them have well accepted "defaults" :)
[12:23] <Vaizki> my learning in doing my tracker (which hasn't flown yet) was made easier by having extensive programming background and an arsenal of test equipment
[12:24] <Vaizki> less shooting in the dark
[12:24] <Ian_> Yes, I appreciate coming from a no-radio, no-computing background makes it a very demanding learning curve
[12:25] <Ian_> I think we all come from a no-HAB place, but familiarity with the other skills certainly ease the transition.
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[12:31] <Vaizki> I think it just makes it more fun
[12:31] <Vaizki> You can get a complex system to work and then dive deeper into each bit
[12:32] <Vaizki> and there is a lot of depth to get into...
[12:36] <Ian_> I believe, from my own, limited, experience that the target is seen as the tracker, but slowly the enormity of the ground sector begins to emerge and it doesn't take many off-by-ones to slow down the process of being HAB ready. I'm working at it slowly.
[12:38] <BubUK> Yes, I think you're correct. My RPi knowledge is fine, completely new to radio though. Steep learning curve required!
[12:39] <Ian_> It's too easy for us to forget how long it took to gain those skills ourselves. Then we fail :)
[12:39] <Ian_> Humbling!
[12:40] Action: AndyEsser throws humble pie at Ian_
[12:41] <Ian_> Ha ha. Raspberry please!
[12:41] <Ian_> A big Raspberry?
[12:41] <mfa298> I think it's probably a lot easier to get started if you've got someone experienced there to help as well. Guides and remote help are all very well but it can take a while to find the right bit to help with.
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[12:46] <Vaizki> there's only one man who would dare to give Ian_ the raspberry
[12:46] <fsphil> hah
[12:47] <Vaizki> mfa298: it's also easier if you do it bit by bit starting from scratch and verifiying at each step instead on getting or slapping together the whole stack and then trying to find which part of it is off
[12:48] <mfa298> true
[12:53] <Vaizki> does take a bit of time though... :)
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[13:01] <Ian_> Bit by bit, r a s p b e r r y ! :) Sadly, Vaizki, probably not! Living on one of a million islands and moving all over the world does reduce the risk somewhat though eh?
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[13:02] <Ian_> Fortunately I'm willing to take as much stick, and more, than I give in the pursuit of humour.
[13:02] <AndyEsser> Ian_: that was byte by byte ;)
[13:03] <Ian_> It gets worse . . . or better!
[13:03] <Vaizki> let's compromise on nibble by nibble
[13:03] <AndyEsser> upper or lower nibble first?
[13:04] <fsphil> this must endian
[13:04] <AndyEsser> fsphil: :P
[13:04] <AndyEsser> better than fish puns
[13:04] <fsphil> yeah, they don't scale
[13:04] <Vaizki> hnngggh
[13:05] <gonzo_> can we fin-ish?
[13:05] <fsphil> sea what you've started AndyEsser
[13:05] <Vaizki> you have me hooked, I can't help but watch you play out the lines
[13:05] <gonzo_> hook, line and sinker
[13:05] <gonzo_> snap
[13:06] <Vaizki> crackle
[13:06] <gonzo_> just baiting you
[13:06] <Ian_> Big or Little EndIan_?
[13:06] <gonzo_> card board box
[13:07] <craag> Barclays - "We'd like to verify recent activity on your Card .."
[13:07] <craag> hmm wrong channel
[13:07] <AndyEsser> lol
[13:07] <AndyEsser> craag: provide me with the long card number, your address, and the last 3 digits on the back for me to validate
[13:07] <Ian_> What, no Pin number?
[13:07] <AndyEsser> Ian_: we will never ask for your PIN number
[13:07] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:08] <Vaizki> respond: I'd like you to stop pestering me with the card stuff, including the bills
[13:08] <Ian_> Ah, good so you must be genuine!
[13:08] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:08] <AndyEsser> And one final question, the expiry date?
[13:08] <craag> AndyEsser: You can have it after EMF - won't be anything left anyway ;)
[13:08] <AndyEsser> haha
[13:08] Action: AndyEsser is kind of grateful he hasn't been fully paid just before EMF
[13:08] <craag> I just have
[13:08] <craag> it's terrible
[13:09] <AndyEsser> first payday being self-employed today
[13:09] <AndyEsser> Yay!
[13:09] <craag> oh aweosme
[13:09] Action: AndyEsser raises glass of cheap wine
[13:09] <craag> congrats!
[13:09] <AndyEsser> however it was only for 1 week
[13:09] <AndyEsser> and not the 2-3 it should've been
[13:09] <AndyEsser> just means the September invoice will mahoosive
[13:09] <AndyEsser> in time for the UKHAS conference
[13:09] <Vaizki> you paid yourself then?
[13:10] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: indeed :P
[13:10] <AndyEsser> and just hired a car for the month at £500 :(
[13:10] <AndyEsser> *whimpers*
[13:14] <fsphil> you can buy a car for £500
[13:14] <mfa298> for that price you might do better finding someone selling an old banger with a few months mot
[13:14] <fsphil> won't be very good mind
[13:14] <fsphil> but will get you from a-y, and get pushed to z
[13:14] <Ian_> You won't need to bother about scraping the paint in country lanes
[13:14] <daveake> or on MOD firing ranges
[13:15] <AndyEsser> fsphil / mfa298 not worth it when you throw on cost of insurance
[13:15] <Ian_> :) use mud to cover bullet holes
[13:15] <AndyEsser> next month I get my truck :)
[13:15] <daveake> s/bullet/rust/
[13:18] <Ian_> Low velocity
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[13:29] <gonzo_> the car or bullets?
[13:30] <Ian_> Rust is exceptionally low velocity penetration. Not quite a silver bullet!
[13:30] <Ian_> but a guaranteed killer in the longer term.
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[13:34] <gonzo_> www.g0nzo.co.uk/misc/fish_car/20130524_151051.jpg
[13:35] <fsphil> bit of paint, it'll be fine
[13:36] <gonzo_> you would not beleive how slow my adsl went after posting that!
[13:36] <fsphil> I can, I saw how slow it took to load :)
[13:37] <fsphil> I give up hosting stuff at home, got a linode vm for it
[13:37] <gonzo_> friend had a new shotgun and we were looking for a target
[13:37] <mfa298> I've seen worse driving around locally.
[13:37] <fsphil> still have my email server at home though
[13:38] <AndyEsser> AWS FTW
[13:38] <fsphil> never amazon
[13:38] <gonzo_> the bigger holes were from when it was parked up the field a while before and .... he had a new rifle
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[13:40] <AndyEsser> fsphil: :O
[13:40] <AndyEsser> but
[13:40] <AndyEsser> but
[13:41] <fsphil> aws might be fine, I just don't like their sneaky tricks to try and get money out of me
[13:42] <fsphil> putting buttons to sign up for prime in place of where the old checkout button was
[13:42] <fsphil> they billed me for aws after the free trial that I didn't use
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[13:45] <AndyEsser> sounds more like a consumer problem :P
[13:46] <fsphil> the customer is always right :p
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[13:47] <AndyEsser> the customer is most certainly usually wrong
[13:47] <AndyEsser> ;)
[13:47] <fsphil> I avoid customers, apparently they don't like being told that
[13:47] <AndyEsser> heh
[13:47] <AndyEsser> customers and users
[13:47] <AndyEsser> life would be so much better without them
[13:52] <daey> its getting dark :>
[13:52] <daey> all hells going to break lose here any minute now
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[14:36] <DL7AD> fsphil: good morning ;)
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[14:45] <fsphil> zzz
[14:46] <DL7AD> fsphil: have a look to ssdv
[14:47] <fsphil> aah that's much better
[14:47] <fsphil> wide angle now?
[14:47] <DL7AD> yes :)
[14:47] <DL7AD> 120°
[14:47] <fsphil> so it was all a capacitor problem
[14:48] <DL7AD> fsphil: yes and no. and i found out, that the ripple is more, if no battery is attached
[14:49] <DL7AD> last time we flew supercap only
[14:49] <DL7AD> now we have more caps after the LDOs. +2x 22uF at the battery and the battery and supercap itself
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[14:53] <fsphil> caps are magic
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[14:56] <DL7AD> fsphil: im still not really satisfied. the quality of the rpi camera is still way better :/
[14:58] <fsphil> agreed
[14:58] <fsphil> I think they spent quite a lot of time tuning it
[14:58] <DL7AD> fsphil: have you done anything with the ov2640 so far?
[14:58] <fsphil> it's wired up but I haven't done any code yet
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[14:59] <fsphil> reminds me, I need to order more cable jumpers
[15:01] <DL7AD> fsphil: did you launch the pecanpico4 btw?
[15:02] <fsphil> didn't. hmmm, I wonder if i can get that working
[15:02] <DL7AD> sure....
[15:02] <fsphil> could be launched at emfcamp
[15:02] <fsphil> I don't remember, did you have a fix for the rtty killing the gps?
[15:03] <fsphil> other than just pausing the rtty for a while?
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[15:14] <samme> Hello. For payload antenna, is it a tolerance to the radiating element (the remaining braid)?
[15:15] <samme> 5mm tin part
[15:24] <samme> for the radial part (Step 8), 164mm is from centre or from the twisted part?
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[15:26] <mfa298> the measurements should be from where you break the driven element and radials away from each other. which would normally be the end of the coax
[15:26] <mfa298> a few mm out wont make much different to it
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[15:51] <samme> until what distance will I be able to receive the message properly, without using payload antenna..?
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[15:52] <mfa298> without an antenna probably a few meters at best.
[15:53] <mfa298> maybe up to 100m if your lucky
[15:54] <daveake> Which happens 20 seconds after launch and 5 seconds before you say "Oh sh*t"
[15:56] <samme> hahahah alryt (Y)
[15:56] <samme> so how can I test my antenna? cuz without antenna, I would be able to receive my message :/ -_-
[15:59] <mfa298> the same affect may also be observed if you ever thought rp-sma was a sensible thing to buy
[15:59] <fsphil> you just have to try it out over a distance
[16:00] <samme> I was just following the instructions :O xD
[16:00] <samme> fsphil: more than 100m?
[16:01] <fsphil> I'm thinking kilometres, if possible
[16:01] <fsphil> if you have a big hill or mountain some distance away that can be used
[16:02] <fsphil> get someone to take the payload up there, and you can try receiving it
[16:03] <fsphil> I did this with my third payload, after having a faulty antenna on the second
[16:04] <samme> can u define faulty antenna...what went wrong? will try to avoid doing that
[16:06] <mfa298> samme: if you can receive it on the ground from a couple of km away then that should rule out most issues.
[16:07] <mfa298> better still go to some woods or similar and get someone to take it a decent distance away (try for a km or more), then see if you can locate it based on signal and telemetry.
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[16:07] <samme> can this testing be done in distance wise(how far) instead of height?
[16:07] <mfa298> if you can do it based on the signal strength alone without looking at what the data says you're doing well
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[16:08] <mfa298> radio waves don't care much what diretion they go in. The anteanna will have some directionality though. For the payload GP antenna it's omni directional out all sides, but not out the top or bottom, so donut shaped.
[16:09] <mfa298> a yagi would stretch that donut out making it more directional.
[16:11] <samme> at the moment, I am using DVB-T stick antenna
[16:12] <mfa298> you'll probably want to find something better for chasing
[16:13] <mfa298> the dvb-t stick antennas are supposedly "designed" for tv frequencies, and not always that good for them either
[16:13] <fsphil> samme: I never got it back, so don't know what the fault was
[16:14] <samme> ya for chasing..will be using something better
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[16:14] <samme> but since I am testing stage....wanted to check the antenna using DVB-t antenna.....is it not possible?
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[16:18] <mfa298> you can try with the DVT-T antenna, but it will make any long distance tests much harder
[16:19] <mfa298> even making sometihng a bit like the payload antenna will likely work better (thats effectively what I use to track from home)
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[16:23] <samme> mfa298: understood! :D thanks, simple portable Yagi it is...one more antenna to build hahaha
[16:25] <mfa298> for a chase car a basic amateur radio 2/70 mag mount is generally best.
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[16:46] <samme> mfa298: any links for it?
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[16:56] <Ian_> samme did you recover your payload the other day?
[16:56] <Ian_> . . . gone :(
[17:01] <daveake> That was samir not samme
[17:01] <Ian_> Right, thanks for that. Dave
[17:03] <daveake> Looks like they did https://twitter.com/search?q=cleapss&src=typd
[17:03] <daveake> Also looks like the payload inverted as soon as it was launched
[17:04] <daveake> No word on what happened to the chute or WTF they launched with that prediction
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[17:07] <Ian_> So many things that were looking to go wrong - dramatically.
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[19:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-16 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-16
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[21:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TSTRTS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TSTRTS-11
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[23:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-12
[23:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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