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[02:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI7CUX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7CUX_chase
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[06:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[07:13] <AndyEsser> morning
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[07:29] <Rebounder> morrn
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[07:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=default_chase
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[08:01] <hyde00001> Morning.. Are Team CLEAPSS1 in the house? Are you really launching from Wheatley Services on the M40???
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[08:17] <daveake> That's an ... unusual ... launch site
[08:20] <daveake> hope it's a regular sort of burst altitude - a high (39km) one could land near Stansted
[08:26] <mfa298> wow, checking on notaminfo it really does look like they're launching from there.
[08:27] <mfa298> that could be "interesting" if they got the fill wrong. (where interesting isn't a good thing)
[08:28] <cm13g09> mfa298: hmm....
[08:28] <daveake> yeah that's where I looked
[08:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The fligfht doc says Oxford ?
[08:30] <mfa298> the flightdoc got changed yesterday
[08:31] <daveake> from Oxford Uni to the services ?
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[08:32] <mfa298> was Brunel Science Park, Uxbridge, UK (51.53181,-0.46798), now Oxford, United Kingdom (51.7375,-1.09391)
[08:32] <mfa298> I stuck those coordinates into google first and it matched the notam listing
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[08:35] <daveake> They need to be careful with predictions too
[08:35] <daveake> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=450a638da5cbebbe2cf81434039225c7417f0b56
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[08:36] <daveake> Hopefully it's a nice big heavy payload
[08:36] <daveake> (that won't get so high)
[08:38] <mfa298> I hope they're not trying to find as many ways to get in the press as possible
[08:43] <cm13g09> mfa298, daveake: YIKES
[08:43] <daveake> obv I selected the burst alt and launch time carefully, but even so
[08:44] <cm13g09> daveake: I just ran a few more around that time
[08:44] <cm13g09> to account for ISH
[08:44] <cm13g09> the burst alt has a huge factor, seemingly
[08:44] <daveake> yeah time doesn't make a lot of difference
[08:44] <cm13g09> yeah...
[08:44] <daveake> burst alt needs to be rather earlier
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[08:50] <cm13g09> daveake: indeed,
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[09:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CLEAPSS after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLEAPSS
[09:04] <samir_> Hi - launching soon!
[09:05] <samir_> CLEAPSS
[09:05] <mfa298> do you know your expected burst altitude ?
[09:06] <samir_> 30km
[09:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> How do you ask for landing rights at Stanstead ?
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[09:09] <gonzo__> just pay your landing fees
[09:10] <gonzo__> doing circults could be a challenge thogh
[09:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> First Vertical landing perhaps ;-)
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[09:12] <gonzo__> those have been done. though usually in flame
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[09:16] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:16] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03CLEAPSS1 10(964c)
[09:16] <pb0ahx> !payload 964c
[09:16] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03CLEAPSS 10(964c) 03$$CLEAPSS - 03434.15 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:17] <pb0ahx> GM all
[09:18] <bertrik> good morning pb0ahx
[09:19] <bertrik> I'll start the RevSpace tracker in a few minutes
[09:21] <pb0ahx> mogge bertrik
[09:27] <bertrik> ok, ready to track
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[09:38] <swaledale> mornin all
[09:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> SSDV from cleaps looks a bit over exposed ?
[09:42] <fsphil> it's bright outside
[09:43] <AndyEsser> fsphil: rubbish, it's England
[09:43] <pb0ahx> bertrik, on wat time going a hab up ??
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[09:47] <bertrik> pb0ahx: I think the official launch time was 47 minutes ago
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[09:48] <pb0ahx> ok
[09:50] <swaledale> yikes that is a bright picture
[09:50] <swaledale> guess the cam is just waling up *rubs eyes*
[09:50] <swaledale> waking*
[09:50] <fsphil> needs sun glasses
[09:51] <bertrik> or maybe an IR filter? :P
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[09:58] <bertrik> I hope everything's OK
[10:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ISH time
[10:00] <fsphil> well the sun hasn't gone nova, so that's good
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[10:13] <bertrik> just wondering, while we're waiting, is anyone using here using the 'decimation' setting in gqrx?
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[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Should get the attention of everyone on the M40 when they launch at least!
[10:27] <gonzo__> it's up?
[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Crash
[10:28] <bertrik> ah, I see the altitude increasing now
[10:29] <gonzo__> cleared it, but they seem to have walked back towards the road to launch!
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Quite! They were in a nice dip!
[10:29] <cm13g09> that's gonna be an interesting chase halfway across the country
[10:30] <cm13g09> And if live predict is right - they've missed Stansted....
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> M40-M25 -M11
[10:30] <cm13g09> which is probably just as well...
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[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not that far depends when they burst only 5-10K off at the moment!
[10:31] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE-M: agreed
[10:32] <cm13g09> also, they seem to lack tracking themselves....
[10:32] <cm13g09> or if they are, they're not uploading
[10:32] <bertrik> !dial CLEAPSS
[10:32] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Latest dials for 03CLEAPSS 10(964c): 03434.149 MHz
[10:33] <cm13g09> is it just me, is 4.1m/s a little on the slow side for vertical lift?
[10:34] <daveake> No SSDV now ?
[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> They over exposed trhemselves ?
[10:36] <samir_> Hi - no idea why the camera is overexposed - it was a webcam
[10:37] <daveake> was
[10:37] <daveake> no ssdv data now
[10:38] <daveake> definitely automatic exposure?
[10:38] <samir_> any reason for this? we tested out just fine during the week
[10:38] <samir_> still have strong radio link
[10:39] <daveake> every single hab tracker fault tested ok before
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[10:40] <daveake> Are you uploading to habitat? Don't see you there.
[10:42] <bertrik> the purplish colour reminds me a bit of overexposure by infrared light
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[10:45] <daveake> Seems to have dropped back to telemetry only anyway
[10:49] <bertrik> !dial CLEAPSS
[10:49] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Latest dials for 03CLEAPSS 10(964c): 03434.15078 MHz, 434.150275 MHz, 434.151126 MHz
[10:49] <fsphil> bertrik: decimation divides the bandwidth of the sdr. it can help reduce noise too.
[10:51] <bertrik> pb0ahx: are you seeing any CLEAPSS signal yet?
[10:52] <pb0ahx> not yet
[10:53] <pb0ahx> yep now he is koming
[10:54] <pb0ahx> $$CEPSS,234510:gqv-0.?<928,0716,0,8w12.201,3n4$>345*4
[10:54] <pb0ahx> red
[10:54] <bertrik> nice, not seeing anything here yet in the waterfall
[10:54] <pb0ahx> 720 shift here
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[10:55] <pb0ahx> dial here is 434.151.1
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[11:00] <samir_> disappointed about the SSDV - no idea why it's not working, sorry about that...
[11:00] <samir_> hopefully we get some stored images on the sd card
[11:01] <bertrik> pb0ahx: just now I'm starting to see the signal in teh waterfall
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[11:02] <Laurenceb__> nice https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FSpaceX%2Fvideos%2F10157742916435131%2F&show_text=0&width=560
[11:03] <Laurenceb__> GTO returned stage full firing
[11:04] <mattbrejza> looks like its been rachet strapped onto the pad
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[11:14] <SpeedEvil> Well, if you don't strap it down, you tend to have a star kids moment
[11:14] <SpeedEvil> ^space camp
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[11:18] <bertrik> pb0ahx: what shift are you using now?
[11:18] <pb0ahx> 720
[11:19] <pb0ahx> 300/720
[11:19] <bertrik> getting my first green decodes
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[11:24] <SpeedEvil> https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/29/spacex-test-fire-relanded-rocket/ - shin
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> y
[11:24] <AndyEsser> !ial CLEAPPS
[11:24] <AndyEsser> !dial CLEAPPS
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:24] <AndyEsser> !dial CLEAPPSS
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:24] <AndyEsser> !dial CLEAPSS
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Latest dials for 03CLEAPSS 10(964c): 03434.151017 MHz, 434.151 MHz, 434.14966 MHz, 434.15046 MHz, 434.151035 MHz, 434.15078 MHz, 434.150275 MHz
[11:24] <AndyEsser> ffs
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[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10RS-11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10RS-11
[11:29] <swaledale> no ssdv then, all i see is PE2BZ stuff
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03test after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=test
[11:38] <samir_> yep - sorry, no idea why it didn't come through, my first flight...
[11:39] <samir_> was fine in testing...
[11:41] <samir_> any ideas what has happened?
[11:43] <Upu> something in the air ?
[11:43] <bertrik> at least the balloon didn't fly into the nearest tree, didn't burst prematurely, basic telemetry is working ...
[11:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> and recovered = successful first flight
[11:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> *if
[11:46] <Ian_> Upu, yes CLEAPSS
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[11:48] <Upu> !dial CLEAPSS
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03CLEAPSS 10(964c): 03434.151 MHz, 434.15046 MHz, 434.151035 MHz, 434.14966 MHz, 434.151017 MHz, 434.150632 MHz
[11:48] <Upu> !track CLEAPSS
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLEAPSS
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[12:12] <bertrik> so, it's already at burst altitude and still rising :)
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[12:15] <AndyEsser> is CLEAPSS just RTTY on that freq?
[12:16] <bertrik> yes, I think so
[12:16] <AndyEsser> then something has started up on just that freq
[12:16] <AndyEsser> QRM
[12:18] <G4YHE> yes, strong qrm here too.
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[12:28] <daveake> Hopefully about to pop
[12:28] <daveake> Ascent slowed down a bit
[12:29] <swaledale> anyone know which balloon this is with
[12:30] <samir_> it was the pawal? 2000g
[12:30] <samir_> I hope it pops!
[12:30] <swaledale> ooh another pawan
[12:30] <daveake> what payload weight ?
[12:30] <samir_> 1kg
[12:31] <daveake> helium ?
[12:31] <samir_> yes
[12:31] <daveake> 4.5m/s says 36km
[12:31] <daveake> 5m/s says 35.6km
[12:31] <daveake> Where did you get 30km from ??
[12:32] <adamgreig> Laurenceb__: you've ordered from smtstencil before, right? roughly how long did it take?
[12:32] <daveake> I ran a prediction earlier for ~36km and got this http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=450a638da5cbebbe2cf81434039225c7417f0b56
[12:32] <Laurenceb__> adamgreig: about 3 days
[12:32] <adamgreig> ok, thanks
[12:32] <adamgreig> did you get an email when it shipped?
[12:32] <samir_> sorry it was 35km - we did different runs to avoid stansted
[12:33] <Laurenceb__> adamgreig: no
[12:33] <Laurenceb__> iirc email when payment is processed and thats it
[12:33] <adamgreig> cool
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[12:33] <adamgreig> fingers crossed it's here today then lol
[12:33] <daveake> Well, 35km is pretty damn close to Stansted from the prediction or reality
[12:33] <swaledale> yikes, that prediction is a bit scary
[12:34] <daveake> What size parachute?
[12:34] <Laurenceb__> adamgreig: if you have any issues the guy who runs the company hangs on ##electronics
[12:34] <swaledale> especially as its becoming true
[12:34] <Laurenceb__> I forget his name but you could ask
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[12:34] <adamgreig> I'll see if it's been delivered already first, I guess it's RM so even if it posts today I'll get it tomorrow
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[12:34] <adamgreig> about to cycle for an hour to collect the PCBs so would be nice if I could solder them this weekend
[12:35] <swaledale> !dial CLEAPSS
[12:35] <SpacenearUS> 03swaledale: Latest dials for 03CLEAPSS 10(964c): 03434.151017 MHz, 434.151 MHz, 434.15046 MHz, 434.151042 MHz, 434.14966 MHz, 434.150275 MHz
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[12:38] Action: Laurenceb__ is getting mad at bluetooth
[12:38] <daveake> 1.9m/s
[12:38] <daveake> It's like it wants to float
[12:39] <Laurenceb__> looks like my problems are unfixable
[12:39] <Laurenceb__> https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/85414
[12:39] <adamgreig> :(
[12:39] <Laurenceb__> time to use spirit1 modules
[12:39] <bertrik> oh, burst
[12:40] <Laurenceb__> luckily I have made a usb spirit1 dongle for another project, so its a software job
[12:40] <Laurenceb__> bluetooth is a bit of a disaster zone, dunno if BLE is any better
[12:41] <bertrik> -104.8 m/s wow
[12:41] <Laurenceb__> nice
[12:41] <Laurenceb__> what altitude?
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[12:42] <richardeoin> BLE was designed by dictat rather than committee, so it's not so bad
[12:42] <bertrik> max altitude was 36435
[12:43] <bertrik> now down to -57 m/s at 20km altitude
[12:43] <swaledale> samir_ what chute did you stick on this?
[12:43] <daveake> samir_: The good news is it's falling short of Stansted
[12:43] <daveake> Bad news is it's hitting something at 14m/s
[12:43] <samir_> 5m/s chute
[12:44] <daveake> reality <> prediction
[12:44] <daveake> what size chute?
[12:44] <samir_> believe it was 60"
[12:44] <daveake> which is 2.98m/s
[12:44] <daveake> (well depends on make/model)
[12:44] <daveake> but slow anyway
[12:45] <daveake> Anyway main thing is not landing at a major airport
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[12:47] <samir_> yes
[12:48] <bertrik> now -26 m/s at approximately 10km altitude
[12:52] <daveake> even an 18" spherachute (smallest on Steve's calculator) would land 1kg at < 10m/s. There could well be a big lump of latex but even if all the balloon came down, a 60" chute would keep it down to 5m/s landing
[12:52] <daveake> so if the chute is that large, it's wrapped up inside a ball of latex
[12:53] <daveake> samir_: if you recover this, have a good look at the chute to see what happened to it
[12:53] <swaledale> seems pawan's are good for a bit of excitement lately!
[12:53] <daveake> hmmmm ....
[12:53] <daveake> hate them
[12:53] <bertrik> still -16 m/s at 2.8 km ...
[12:54] <swaledale> definition of excitement... undecided
[12:54] <daveake> yeah that fits with my 14m/s landing
[12:54] <mattbrejza> be sure to take a picture of it after landing/cratering
[12:54] <daveake> A1(M)
[12:54] <swaledale> thats if this doesnt plough through a car windscreen on the A1 at this rate!
[12:55] <daveake> samir_: Was that chute the right way up?
[12:55] <mattbrejza> how far off are you?
[12:57] <samir_> yes... tested with box/masses
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[13:01] <swaledale> current prediction is landing atop a steep hill, which could be good for reception
[13:01] <adamgreig> and just missing the A1(M) which could be good too ;)
[13:01] <adamgreig> though given that rate who knows
[13:02] <mattbrejza> well, habs do always tend to land short..
[13:02] <swaledale> yeah, id actually hope it doesnt slow down too much, that way you miss the A1(M), albeit your payload might be in bits
[13:02] <swaledale> does*
[13:02] <bertrik> latest telemetry is 8 min ago, I guess it already landed
[13:03] <daveake> certainly
[13:05] <Laurenceb__> yay
[13:05] Action: Laurenceb__ just got a paper published
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[13:06] <adamgreig> congrats
[13:06] <Laurenceb__> no suggested changes from reviewers O_o
[13:06] <adamgreig> wow, rare
[13:06] <Laurenceb__> yeah
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[13:06] <Laurenceb__> took 2 years tho :(
[13:07] <Laurenceb__> and it was rejected by 6 other journals
[13:07] <samir_> waiting for SPOT to update - GSM GPS not connecting
[13:07] <daveake> hah, perseverance wins. Nice one.
[13:07] <adamgreig> might have suffered a mischief
[13:07] <Laurenceb__> looks like politics :-/ I had some controversial co-authors
[13:08] <Upu> no parachute samir_ ?
[13:08] <daveake> Free SPOT for any radio trackers in the area :)
[13:08] <Laurenceb__> there was some inevitable cross over with the whole shaken baby controversy
[13:10] <swaledale> shame, that part of the A1(M) isnt on the Highways CCTV
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[13:15] <gonzo__> samir_, are you sending a chase team?
[13:15] <samir_> there are 2 lots going for it...
[13:15] <gonzo__> they should use the chase app on a phone
[13:16] <daveake> It would help if they did that ^^ and also if they can upload telemetry
[13:16] <samir_> yeh - will be making a large list of things to check/do for next time!
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[13:23] <cm13g09> hopefully that's missed the A1(M)
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[13:28] <swaledale> samir_ what equipment do the chase team have available to them?
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[13:35] <daveake> shovels
[13:40] <cm13g09> daveake: they'll need it if it came down that fast.....
[13:47] <gonzo__> was it real sopt, or a gsm version?
[13:47] <gonzo__> spot
[13:48] <daveake> said he had both
[13:50] <Upu> lol
[13:50] <gonzo__> when he comes back, we can see if there are any new ntems for the dave list
[13:50] <gonzo__> items
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[14:04] <Darkside> oh ear
[14:04] <Darkside> dear*
[14:04] <Darkside> so whats happened this week?
[14:05] <daveake> what hasn't happened? :P
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPUT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPUT
[14:05] <Darkside> crash landing?
[14:05] <daveake> yup, next to* a busy road
[14:05] <daveake> * unsure as yet
[14:05] <Darkside> we've done that, though it was a result of a swivel failure
[14:06] <daveake> But this is good, because if it had a properly working chute, it was headed for a major airport
[14:06] <Darkside> parachute went away with the balloon and cutdown payload (which was later recovered), payloads crashed down
[14:06] <Darkside> oh wow
[14:06] <daveake> yeah but you land in deserts
[14:06] <Darkside> pff
[14:06] <Darkside> farmland more like
[14:06] <Darkside> wheat fields
[14:06] <daveake> ok
[14:07] <daveake> yeah I'm wondering if the chute was upside down or not tied properly
[14:07] <edmoore> just saw the descent rate
[14:07] <edmoore> wow
[14:07] <daveake> as it appears to have had little if any effect
[14:07] <daveake> I can't get that fast even with the smallest chute Steve sells
[14:10] <Darkside> is this cleapss?
[14:10] <daveake> yes
[14:10] <Upu> yeah
[14:10] <Darkside> mm that does look pretty fast!
[14:10] <Upu> the failure of the parachute was a good thing
[14:10] <Upu> if it had come down @ 5m/s it would have landed at Stanstead without a permit
[14:10] <Darkside> its saying 0m/s now, but what was the actual last reported descent rate?
[14:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> -15.6 @ 2Km
[14:11] <Darkside> heh ok
[14:11] <daveake> thing is, 2 of us in this channel ran predictions and said that a 36km burst would land pretty close to Stansted
[14:11] <daveake> Reply was "our burst is 30km"
[14:12] <daveake> later he said "our burst calc said 35km"
[14:12] <daveake> If he'd said that earlier I'd have done my "DON'T LAUNCH" thing :p
[14:17] <edmoore> are they on irc?
[14:18] <mfa298> he was earlier but not for an hour
[14:18] Nick change: uwe__ -> uwe_
[14:18] <gonzo__> even with a bit of +-, luck puts them in fields
[14:20] <gonzo__> should you add 'releasing 100mtrs from a motorway, when the wind is taking you towards it' to the list?
[14:23] <mattbrejza> was there a notam?
[14:23] <swaledale> im sure the notam was fine *ducks*
[14:23] <cm13g09> that's the interesting thing, I think there was a NOTAM
[14:24] <cm13g09> from what daveake said earlier?
[14:24] <daveake> yeah that was fine
[14:24] <mattbrejza> persumably there was otherwise comments would have been made
[14:25] <gonzo__> fine ducks?
[14:26] <gonzo__> ass opposed to course ducks?
[14:28] <swaledale> ive only just checked the map, i missed the launch time, did this thing launch from Wheatley services then, on the M40?!! Looks that way to me
[14:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OM3BC-13 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-13
[14:28] <daveake> yes
[14:29] <swaledale> i guess logically it's... accessible
[14:32] <Ian_> Arguably it might be private property, so could be a factor if there was any form of incident?
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[14:33] <Ian_> With a lack of permission from the landowner.
[14:34] <gonzo__> I did think that, big red gas bottles and things with wires, in a public space, next to a mororway. Is sort of asking to be face down with an MP5 in your ear'ole
[14:34] <Ian_> :)
[14:35] <Vaizki> german engineering in your ear
[14:35] <Ian_> Big boot on your Arse.
[14:36] <Vaizki> so .. backscroll quick review.. someone had a payload come down real fast then?
[14:36] <daveake> yeah near 50kph
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[14:37] <Vaizki> thats going to leave a mark
[14:38] <bertrik> when we did our last launch in the netherlands, a few 100m from a major road, police came by, the guys said something like "it's for science" and police went away :)
[14:41] <gonzo__> saw a posting last year, on the visible light comms group. Where someone was on a frosty hillside trying a link and plod turned up
[14:41] <gonzo__> someopne saw a suspicious person with flashing liughts, and assumes it must be some terrorist thing
[14:42] <Ian_> Hello, hello, what have we here then, a laser designator?
[14:43] <gonzo__> having a big flask of tea is probably the key thing for defusing (bad choice of phrase) that situation
[15:01] <richardeoin> hey daveake: did you get a solution for the pi cam firmware bug from last week?
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[15:01] <daveake> Internal temperature was 9.8C. I wonder how internal that actually was.
[15:01] <daveake> richardeoin No, trying to figure out what's causing it
[15:01] <daveake> Part way through running some tests
[15:04] <richardeoin> :(
[15:04] <richardeoin> I've not seen the bug myself, but let me know if I can be of any help
[15:05] <daveake> Well, the Pi people have a good idea what's failing, but none of us know what's triggering that
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[15:05] <daveake> As usual, intermittent issues are a pain to nail down
[15:06] <richardeoin> hmm yes
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[15:12] <jarod> Can you guys help me? http://x264.nl/dump/excellent.mp3 'which escapes the rationality of' .... what word does he say here?
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> things
[15:13] <jarod> i hear an M
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Themes ?
[15:13] <jarod> some say Themes?
[15:13] <jarod> yes? does that make sense?
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> might just be accent
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> "rationality of things" is a philosophy term
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> '
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> To be truly and fully human the soul must be open, not only to the rationality of things but also to the humanity of man which according to Bergson is possible
[15:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Things makes better sense, but in the context it could just be themes
[15:16] <jarod> and Fames?
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No
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[15:17] <jarod> So things then :P
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup
[15:18] <jarod> but others, from UK, say they hear Themes as well, hehe
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> It's not determinable from the audio quality which word it is.
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[15:21] <SpeedEvil> It sounds like something a philosophy major may have written, and "themes" has 3 hits on google, vs 300000 for things
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[15:27] <Ian_> logic says 'things'. Themes would have been a slightly longer sound. Absolutely no doubts.
[15:28] <Ian_> jarod infecting us with subliminal messages :)
[15:29] <jarod> TEXT mode:
[15:29] <jarod> It's in the air, but you can't touch it. It surrounds you.
[15:29] <jarod> What makes it different, it touches you, perhaps in a way that escapes the rationality of [things/themes/fames/other]
[15:29] <jarod> Yes, it's a feeling captured by several club jocks and brought to you via an illegal radio station, which has got a story to tell:
[15:29] <jarod> its all so formal etc.. why things? :)
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> Because the person is probably not a native english speaker, and diddn't put in much effort into writing it
[15:31] <jarod> seems he kinda did
[15:31] <Ian_> The rationality of things is a 'concept', which is something you can't touch. Concepts are all around us, all the time.
[15:32] <jarod> ah, if you read it like that, it makes sense :)
[15:33] <Ian_> I'm gonna buy some from China via ebay tomorrow . . . maybe a bunch of 100
[15:33] <Ian_> Concepts!
[15:33] <jarod> the problem is, you cleary hear an 'M' :P
[15:34] <jarod> but that could be because of the sound mix
[15:34] <Ian_> Clearly not or you wouldn't be asking in the first place. It was made to sound etherial
[15:35] <Ian_> slightly etherial
[15:36] <Ian_> It sounds like a Dutch guy doing the speaking. Possibly it's from a bit of advertising.
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[15:39] <swaledale> whats the pi cam firmware bug daveake? another one?
[15:40] <daveake> No just the same one that's been there for years
[15:44] <swaledale> oh that one, the one where it just turns off after a while
[15:45] <daveake> no that was the new one
[15:45] <daveake> that was on the sony only and was fixed
[15:45] <daveake> this is corrupted images
[15:46] <swaledale> oh right, wasnt aware of that one, just thought there was the sony one.
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[15:48] <swaledale> did you find out why pisky5 stopped transmitting the other day?
[15:51] <daveake> not looked at that yet
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[17:09] <Rharrison_> ?
[17:09] <Vostok> ?
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[17:18] <Upu> hey Rob
[17:19] <Upu> sorry couldn't hear you noisy road and raining
[17:19] <Upu> https://github.com/daveake/FlexTrack
[17:19] <Upu> as discussed
[17:21] <Upu> afk cooking
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[17:43] <craag> ping fsphil
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[18:19] <gb73d> https://www.periscope.tv/w/1mrGmbNwQQqJy
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[18:34] <gb73d> Pokemon go ....
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[19:47] <___BEN___> Best batteries? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Energizer-635236-Lithium-Battery-Silver/dp/B003XM9YUO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1469821624&sr=8-2&keywords=9v+lithium+battery
[19:51] <jcoxon> ___BEN___, find the AA version of that battery the best
[19:52] <jcoxon> do you really need 9V?
[19:52] <jcoxon> could you get away with 6V?
[19:52] <jcoxon> and then just use 4* AA
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[20:08] <Vaizki> aye. 9V batteries are great if you need 9V .. other than that, mostly not worth it
[20:09] <Vaizki> Not too many devices even around that use 9V batteries, smoke detectors and DMMS come to minä
[20:09] <Vaizki> mind... thank you autocorrect
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[20:12] <___BEN___> The arduino accepts a 9v input.
[20:13] <jcoxon> indeed it does but it doesn't actually need 9V
[20:13] <___BEN___> no
[20:15] <Upu> Arduino can run from 2 x AA with a step up
[20:16] <Upu> Just inject 5V directly into the board bypass the on board regulator
[20:16] <Upu> and those 9V PP3's don't have much capacity
[20:17] <Upu> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10255
[20:17] <fsphil> pong craag
[20:18] <Upu> 2 x AA is 3000mAh and will run Arduino + bits for 20 hours
[20:18] <Upu> PP3 you'll be lucky to get 6 hours run time
[20:19] <fsphil> Rharrison_: ahoy!
[20:19] <Upu> he's back
[20:19] <Upu> with lora :)
[20:19] <Vaizki> arduino has linear reg right?
[20:19] <fsphil> yay! aww!
[20:20] <Vaizki> so those extra 4V are basically turned into heat
[20:20] <fsphil> brb, foooood
[20:23] <jcoxon> fsphil, are you coming to the ukhas conference?
[20:25] <___BEN___> what is the ukhas conference?
[20:27] <Vaizki> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2016
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[20:30] <Upu> come its fun
[20:33] <Ian_> The link needs to be put into the masthead on this page . . .
[20:33] <___BEN___> "Price includes reception coffee/tea,"... tempting
[20:36] <___BEN___> /
[20:40] <Vaizki> cheap as chips
[20:40] <Ian_> Tempting, where else will you get a day out and fed at that price?
[20:41] <Vaizki> Well for me its am extra 300 for the plane tickets :)
[20:42] <Ian_> You need to get some business travel . . .
[20:42] <Ian_> tax deductable
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[20:49] <___BEN___> On the subject of antennas for my NTX2B, atm I have made a ground plane, what do/would you use?
[20:54] <Upu> 1/4 wave gp antenna
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[20:54] <Upu> !wiki payload antenna
[20:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03payload_antenna (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
[20:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasi?s[]=payload&amp;s[]=antenna
[20:58] <fsphil> jcoxon: hope so! will sort it out after emfcamp
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[21:36] <Ian_> No word of CLEAPSS recovery?
[21:37] <___BEN___> What is wrong with NMEA data streams from my GPS module? every guide on the wiki recommends turning them off, but why?
[21:37] <jcoxon> its bulky
[21:37] <jcoxon> the binary ublox protocol is smarter
[21:38] <___BEN___> Also, is it necessary to put the GPS into airborne mode?
[21:39] <Ian_> Only if you want to be able to track it beyond 12km altitude . . . so that would be a YES
[21:39] <___BEN___> Ok, ok
[21:40] <___BEN___> thanks
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[21:57] <___BEN___> Is there a reason to use the hardware serial capabilities of the Arduino over the software serial library to talk to the GPS?
[21:57] <edmoore> it describes airborne mode in the receiver description protocol
[21:57] <edmoore> which you should definitely read first
[21:57] <edmoore> and defer to in preference to anything you read here
[21:59] <mfa298> The software serial libraries on arduino are known to cause issues, I think someone found they do a lot of delay in ISR routines which ends up breaking various other things
[22:01] <___BEN___> is NewSoftSerial any better?
[22:02] <mfa298> I don't know, but the hardware serial is likely best of all
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[22:13] <Upu> no don't use it, it will screw up your RTTY transmissions
[22:13] <Upu> it interferes with the timing
[22:14] <___BEN___> My RTTY transmissions are on an timer1 interrupt
[22:14] <___BEN___> software serial appears to be timer2
[22:15] <fsphil> I might be remembering it wrong, but I think it spends some of the time with interrupt disabled
[22:16] <fsphil> that might only be when tx'ing
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[22:18] <___BEN___> how am I suppose to programme the arduino if it is using the hardware serial ports?
[22:20] <Vaizki> the programming is done in the bootloader after a reset, before your code loads ...
[22:21] <___BEN___> Will the GPS need to be disconnected when I am programming the Arduino?
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[22:24] <Ian_> If you are using a GPS breakout that has 5v/3.3V translators, then the enable pin will allow you to effectively disconnect the GPS when in programming mode.
[22:24] <Ian_> If you buy smartly of course.
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[22:41] <Vaizki> I just went I2C for the GPS, left the serial free for debugging and programming..
[22:41] <Vaizki> but now sleep, it's closing in on 2am&
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[22:54] <Rharrison_> omg I got i2c to work on the ublox
[22:54] <Rharrison_> on my own :-)
[22:55] <Rharrison_> sorry a shout of success
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[23:09] <___BEN___> Well done Rharrison_ :)
[23:12] <Rharrison_> Cheers ben
[23:21] <fsphil> I2C is pretty awful, so good to get that out of the way
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[23:47] <edmoore> kids old enough now for late night i2c Rharrison_ ?
[23:49] <Rharrison_> Hi edmoore
[23:49] <Rharrison_> Yep fayes 16
[23:49] <edmoore> scary
[23:50] <Rharrison_> Been debuggin I2c on my TDS2024B
[23:50] <Rharrison_> Challenging need a logic analyser
[23:51] <edmoore> salae logic
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