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[01:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S13 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S13
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[01:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA
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[02:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WHS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WHS
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[03:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S11
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[03:59] <mick> what frequency is the HORUSLORA using?
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[04:00] <Guest32934> what frequency is HORUSLORA using?
[04:02] <Darkside> horuslora is on 431.650MHz
[04:02] <Darkside> its not decodable without the right hardware though
[04:02] <Darkside> WHS Is on 434.650
[04:03] <Guest32934> copy 434.650 thanks
[04:03] <Darkside> so who's this?
[04:03] <Darkside> its VK5QI here
[04:04] <Guest32934> sri VK3XN here
[04:05] <Darkside> ok
[04:05] <Darkside> yeah you may have issues hearing this one
[04:05] <Darkside> its only going to get up to 20km or so
[04:05] <Darkside> maybe not even that high, if i cut it down early
[04:07] <Guest32934> Copy that quiet here
[04:32] <Darkside> burst!
[04:33] <Guest32934> losing height?
[04:33] <Guest32934> :)
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[04:47] <Darkside> vk5hs: hey!
[04:47] <Darkside> thanks for tracking!
[04:48] <vk5hs> hi Mark wish I had known earlier I would have had the ABC here
[04:48] <vk5hs> they have been waiting for an oportunity to see what we do
[04:49] <vk5hs> only seen the info on web site today
[04:51] <Darkside> heh
[04:51] <Darkside> yeah sorry about that
[04:51] <Darkside> have been away all the last week
[04:51] <Darkside> now we see if it ends up in an easy to access area..
[04:52] <vk5hs> you mikght be in for a long walk
[04:52] <Darkside> yeah...
[04:53] <vk5hs> this will be interesting how low you & i track it
[04:53] <Darkside> yup
[04:53] <Darkside> i'm also interested in the performance between the two payloads
[04:53] <Darkside> both the LoRa and RTTY receivers are using the same antenna type
[04:53] <vk5hs> are the students at school tracking it
[04:54] <Darkside> they'll be watching on the website
[04:54] <vk5hs> great hope the sky was ok for some footage
[04:54] <Darkside> no radio receiver there
[04:54] <Darkside> yeah
[04:54] <Darkside> theres definiely been some nice breaks in cloud
[04:54] <Darkside> so hopefully theres something useful
[04:55] <vk5hs> good to see your on the correct side of the river
[04:57] <Darkside> heh
[04:57] <Guest32934> will it make New Well Centre Road?
[04:57] <Darkside> yes
[04:57] <Darkside> dunno
[04:58] <vk5hs> this transmitter is resonable stable
[04:59] <vk5hs> i am rapidly loosing signals
[05:00] <Darkside> yeah
[05:00] <Darkside> its going below your horizon
[05:02] <adhoc[]> i lost it as it dropped below 4500 meters altitude
[05:02] Nick change: adhoc[] -> vk5fj
[05:02] <Darkside> ok
[05:02] <Darkside> we still have both
[05:04] <vk5fj> QSL
[05:04] <vk5fj> good hunting =)
[05:04] <vk5hs> lost it at 1270m
[05:05] <vk5fj> Darkside: are you really only at Swanreach ?
[05:06] <Darkside> yes
[05:06] <Darkside> it took that long!
[05:07] Nick change: andyvk5_ -> andyvk5
[05:09] <vk5hs> hi andy
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[05:19] <vk5fj> so long as you are still making decodes =)
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[05:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Harbour Science_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Harbour%20Science_chase
[05:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EEU3PTY_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EEU3PTY_chase
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[06:03] <Darkside> recovered!
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[06:07] <vk5hs> great news hope you did not have to walk to far
[06:08] <vk5hs> do you have to take the camera back to the school
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[06:21] <vk5fj> Darkside: excellent news !
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[06:39] <vk5hs> hey mark you ok? you appear to be stopped ??
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[07:11] <AndyEsser> sorry adamgreig - ended up having an early night so wasn't around when you said you were back
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[07:24] <AndyEsser> Any of the Python types in here used PyCharm?
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[08:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03E29AJP-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E29AJP-11
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[09:11] <daveake> For those not on the mailing list (why not?!), write-up of yesterday's flight - http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soujvc
[09:12] <AndyEsser> All the words!
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[09:16] <craag> quite the adventure
[09:17] <AndyEsser> indeed
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[09:19] <daveake> No burst tyres on the way home; no AA callout .... seemed pretty straightforward this time :p
[09:20] <craag> yikes didn't hear about that, last time?
[09:22] <daveake> yeah. M6. "rumble rumble flap flap"
[09:22] <daveake> Made the mistake of trying to lift the car on the (piddly little) jack
[09:22] <daveake> Too much articulation on the axle for that
[09:22] <daveake> You have (I now know) to jack the suspension arm instead
[09:23] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Willunga High 2016 10(31c5)
[09:23] <daveake> Still, that flight did go to plan. See the results here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc-6HZTK2rk
[09:25] <swaledale> haha excellent
[09:25] <swaledale> did you get paid footballer wages?
[09:25] <gonzo__> a small trolley jack and a plank is a good carry. Quick to use and the plank to spread the load when you are the obligatory soft ground at the side of the road
[09:26] <gonzo__> (have had to dig piddling little bottle jacks oput of the ground before)
[09:26] <daveake> hah
[09:26] <daveake> yeah both on the list for my "great 4x4 refit" :)
[09:26] <swaledale> and how clear is that sky and shoreline
[09:26] <daveake> Building some storage into the boot with a bunch of ply
[09:27] <adhoc[]> daveake: what vehicle were you jacking ?
[09:27] <gonzo__> ply = plank then
[09:27] <daveake> mitsi shogun mk2
[09:27] <adhoc[]> daveake: solid axle ?
[09:27] <daveake> I dunno. Tyre was solidly on the ground with the jack afully extended
[09:28] <daveake> AA man jacked the suspension
[09:28] <daveake> with, has to be said, a properly large trolley jack
[09:29] <gonzo__> male sure you store the jack the correct way up. Mine got put on it's side. And I had a puddle of oil
[09:29] <gonzo__> and a lack of jackage
[09:29] <adhoc[]> ok, tyhe shogun is the pajero here. later models were all indendent suspension and softer coils =) probably a lot more droop. so jacking would be pointless =)
[09:30] <daveake> it seemed pretty pointless, yes :/
[09:31] <adhoc[]> learn something new every day huh ;)
[09:31] <daveake> yes indeed
[09:31] <swaledale> daveake - those shirts must have been stuck down well to their hangers!
[09:31] <daveake> tbh, it was getting dark and I was quite glad to make it somebody else's problem :)
[09:31] <daveake> oh the shirts ... yeah
[09:32] <daveake> they arrived 1pm the day before
[09:32] <swaledale> much super glueing!
[09:32] <daveake> Didn't give me a lot of time to figure out how to mount them, get the cameras in the right place, etc
[09:33] <daveake> I had a balsa frame underneath the payload, with each shirt stapled to it
[09:33] <daveake> to stop them flapping around
[09:33] <daveake> ofc once the balloon bursts, all bets are off, and generally anything balsa gets snapped
[09:33] <swaledale> i was going to ask how you got then to look taught
[09:34] <daveake> hence everything has its own line so you don't get things falling
[09:34] <daveake> something that a certain commercial launcher is yet to learn
[09:34] <daveake> </rant>
[09:34] <swaledale> lol. but the footage is just about the best I've watched I think
[09:35] <daveake> Nice clear day
[09:35] <daveake> I had 4 cameras - one per shirt, one for a clear view, and one for that silly can of drink (almost literally a last-minute "oh can we add this please?" addition
[09:35] <swaledale> not sure about some of the creative editing :/
[09:36] <daveake> I just supply the raw footage :)
[09:36] <swaledale> yeah i guessed as much
[09:36] <swaledale> lol can we add a can of energy drink please
[09:36] <swaledale> certainly, that's an extra £££ please
[09:36] <daveake> I happened to have a battery drill with me
[09:37] <daveake> 2 holes in the bottom of the can, cable tie and glue to fix to the balsa
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[09:37] <daveake> If I'd know before I could have used a strip of acrylic, which would have looked 10x better
[09:38] <swaledale> quite a lot of weight in that payload IIRC
[09:38] <daveake> 1.5kg
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[09:39] <daveake> Which tbh isn't that much
[09:39] <swaledale> those puma hangers probably weight more than the shirts themselves
[09:39] <daveake> When I started 1kg was the norm
[09:39] <daveake> yeah those were heavy
[09:40] <daveake> I thought about making something, but in the end figured I might as well use something designed for the job
[09:40] <daveake> also, branded ofc
[09:40] <swaledale> ofc
[09:41] <swaledale> were they kids sizes or anything
[09:41] <daveake> yes, smallest they do
[09:42] <swaledale> makes a change from potatoes and robots anyway :)
[09:43] <swaledale> they didnt even use any shots of the can of drink by the looks of it!
[09:45] <daveake> Yeah, shows how important that was.
[09:47] <swaledale> So yesterday, "Hello, my balloon is in your firing range, do you mind if me and my few cylinders of hydrogen come onto this MOD site to get it please?" is that how it went? :D
[09:48] <daveake> close
[09:49] <daveake> It was outside the firing range, but still MOD property, and the only way to get there was through the range
[09:49] <swaledale> MOD security range in quality somewhat
[09:49] <daveake> You can see the range on the satellite view
[09:50] <swaledale> Yes spotted that yesterday, looks a standard range with butts etc at one end
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[10:05] <daveake> Part of the drive - https://youtu.be/W-HT9xeI0fk
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[10:13] <gonzo__> there is quite a large danger area behind those sorts of ranges and it's all owned or some form of lease/arrnagement with MoD
[10:13] <gonzo__> signs and flags. And if you go past go, you may not get to collect £200
[10:14] <gonzo__> people still ignore them. We once had a family come down onto a live range, during a detail change and start setting up a picnic
[10:15] <AndyEsser> wtf...
[10:15] <daveake> lol
[10:16] <daveake> Much of the drive was along the perimeter track, marked with signs and flags all along
[10:17] <gonzo__> at the local range, there is a path through the woods that has flags and signs. But we still get faces appear about 15ft above the targets, looking to see what the noise is
[10:17] <SIbot> In real units: 15 ft = 4.57 m
[10:18] <gonzo__> one day I'm going to give sibot such a slap
[10:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
[10:21] <mfa298> hit it with a yardstick :p
[10:23] <gonzo__> I have the meter of you there
[10:23] <gonzo__> inching towards anothe pun thread?
[10:24] <fsphil> sorry, I was miles away. did someone mention puns?
[10:24] <gonzo__> I knew one was a-foot
[10:24] <mfa298> it might not last fur-long though
[10:25] <gonzo__> you were miles away, well I'll tell your girlfriend and you will be .... all together...
[10:25] <gonzo__> sent t' meet her
[10:26] <fsphil> lol. oh dear
[10:26] <gonzo__> (I'll get my coat)
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[10:33] Action: cm13g09 sense mfa298, gonzo__, fsphil and SIbot coats.....
[10:34] <cm13g09> *sends#
[10:34] <cm13g09> (and waits for somebody to send me an English dictionary!)
[10:36] <gonzo__> sits in corner in shame
[10:37] <cm13g09> At least I managed to fix my mess before somebody started punning
[10:38] Action: cm13g09 also ponders how many robot wars fans we have in the channel.....
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[14:10] <swaledale> have to say, work is more boring without people landing stuff in rifle ranges!
[14:11] <gonzo__> we should pressure dave into more, just to keep us entertained
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[14:26] <swaledale> new competition - danger money
[14:45] <nick_> Rifle ranges are considerably less dangerous than other ranges (and indeed than just a road)
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[15:05] <cm13g09> nick_: So, I nearly had a run-in with a tank out Salisbury way
[15:05] <cm13g09> on a road
[15:07] <AndyEsser> cm13g09: there are signs around there :P
[15:09] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: yes.... a tank in a red triangle....
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[20:29] <AndyEsser> have just noticed one of the chimneys on the roof has an unused antenna mount on it... wonder if I can get a tall ladder and get up there to mount the X50 and a yagi...
[20:29] <adamgreig> I'm around if you wanted to ask Qs AndyEsser
[20:30] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: It's ok - going to keep plugging away and do some more studying for now (and I'm knackered having spent most of the evening sorting the garden)
[20:30] <AndyEsser> but thank you
[20:30] <adamgreig> cool np
[20:30] <AndyEsser> have a bandpass filter implemented, and something to generate coefficients on the fly, but it's not giving me the output I expect, so time to dig into the maths
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[20:31] <adamgreig> heh, nice
[20:31] <adamgreig> good luck
[20:31] <AndyEsser> thanks
[20:32] <AndyEsser> I'm very much a learn by doing/being shown - rather than spending days in books learning the theory - but I don't want to just copy/paste some solution
[20:32] <AndyEsser> so off to the poorly scanned version of the book you recommended :P
[20:32] <mattbrejza> what you making?
[20:32] <adamgreig> yea I agree, no substitute for implementing something yourself imo
[20:32] <AndyEsser> mattbrejza: RTTY demod
[20:33] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: as much as this filter stuff isn't the key to what I'm working on - I have zero desire to just grab a C++ DSP library and use a ready made solution
[20:33] <adamgreig> your distaste for using libraries I am less convinced by
[20:33] <adamgreig> implementing something yourself to learn it is great
[20:33] <mattbrejza> ah right
[20:33] <adamgreig> never using a library seems unproductive and a waste of time :P
[20:34] <adamgreig> but it's a measure of degrees I suppose
[20:34] <adamgreig> I also don't wanna grab someone else's DSP library because I find doing that myself fun
[20:34] <adamgreig> likewise stuff like the ARM CMSIS libraries
[20:34] <adamgreig> or indeed STcube etc
[20:34] <adamgreig> but I'd rather use ChibiOS than write my own RTOS+HAL
[20:35] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: I don't avoid them all the time - especially at work, or the end goal is to get a product out
[20:35] <AndyEsser> but for something like this, where there's no real rush, it's worth taking the time to understand
[20:37] <adamgreig> yea, sure
[20:39] <AndyEsser> and there's a certain amount of pride of actually creating something from scratch yourself - rather than just bolting libraries together
[20:41] <adamgreig> that I can totally get behind
[20:46] <Ian_> AndyEsser, beware new wine in old bottles. You might be better/safer putting up a new antenna mount. Take care.
[20:47] <AndyEsser> Ian_: yea - tbh the mount is likely the easiest bit, getting up there, and running the cabling is the complicated bit
[20:48] <kc2pit> I don't suppose any of the SI446x fans around here have used direct mode GFSK reception?
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[20:49] <kc2pit> Because that's tonight's project (making it listen to 9600 baud AX.25), and I'm wondering what odd little quirks are waiting to be discovered.
[20:49] <kc2pit> And how much profanity will be expended in their discovery.
[20:50] <adamgreig> I haven't used that particular mode, but I anticipate "a lot"
[20:50] <kc2pit> On the transmit side, I already managed to find out that the API guide's description of the bit rate fields is a damned lie.
[20:50] <kc2pit> But it's vaguely described somewhere else, and I had pretty much figured it out by the time I found where.
[20:50] <adamgreig> heh
[20:51] <kc2pit> "Hm, to get 9600 baud out, I have to set it to 384000. I wonder if they've got a 40-sample-long table for the Gaussian filtered bits..."
[20:54] <kc2pit> And yeah. Documented nowhere but inside WDS, there's even a couple bits for setting whether it uses 10x, 20x, or 40x oversampling to synthesize those waveforms. Thanks for putting that in the datasheet, guys.
[20:54] <kc2pit> Not that I'm bitter or anything.
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[23:26] <Laurenceb__> the joy of serial prots
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> https://ibin.co/2pWb17j8DhRe.png
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> bottom trace should be regular (300ms spacing between packets)
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> I haven't the first clue what is going on :(
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[23:35] <SpeedEvil> What sotrt of serial port
[23:38] <Laurenceb__> rfcomm
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> Bluetooth has lots and lots of aggregation and shit
[23:39] <Laurenceb__> yeah but with pyserial it doesnt have this issue
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> wifi/bluetooth compatibility or interference can also worsen it enormosly
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> oh
[23:39] <Laurenceb__> using QSerialPort here
[23:39] <Laurenceb__> due to Qt integration
[23:40] <Laurenceb__> I could theoretically use pyserial I guess
[23:40] <Laurenceb__> but a lot of work
[23:40] <Laurenceb__> the weirdest thing is that it works correctly when first connected
[23:42] Action: SpeedEvil sighs at stacks of crap.
[23:43] <Laurenceb__> yup libraries of nonsense upon nonsense
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