highaltitude.log.20160722

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[05:05] <SM0ULC-Reb> morning!
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[05:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM3BC-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-13
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[06:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-15 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-15
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[07:06] <AndyEsser> morning
[07:07] <swaledale> mornin'
[07:08] <gonzo_> morni
[07:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MIKEL-1 after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-1
[07:09] <swaledale> just about to do the coffee run, sorry i mean nursery run
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[07:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ForestHAB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ForestHAB
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[07:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-14
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[07:38] <arjunnaha> We're now en route to Cirencester for launch
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[07:39] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: good luck
[07:39] <AndyEsser> hoping I'll catch it up here
[07:40] <arjunnaha> AndyEsser: Thanks
[07:44] <swaledale> Good luck arjunna
[07:44] <swaledale> Good luck arjunnaaha
[07:45] <swaledale> omg serious lack of coffee alert
[07:45] <AndyEsser> tab complete is your friend :P
[07:45] <swaledale> Good luck arjunnaha
[07:45] <swaledale> I know I eve hit caps lock!!
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[07:46] <swaledale> Any LoRa on ForestHAB today?
[07:47] <AndyEsser> no
[07:47] <AndyEsser> RTTY only
[07:48] <pb0ahx> GM all
[07:48] <swaledale> GM
[07:48] <pb0ahx> !flights
[07:48] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03SP3OSJ/437.7MHz/RTTY/100bd/7n2 10(13b4), 03M4 10(fd3c), 03ForestHAB 1 10(b1c5), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[07:49] <pb0ahx> !payload b1c5
[07:49] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5) 03$$ForestHAB - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/880Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[07:52] <pb0ahx> on wat time ForestHab going flying ??
[07:52] <arjunnaha> 12ish
[07:53] <pb0ahx> tnx info than i have planty time for koffie
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[08:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> !hysplitt S-15
[08:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> !hysplit S-15
[08:58] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: HYSPLIT for 03S-15 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/160722-04_110047_S15.gif
[09:01] <pb0ahx> SA6BSS-Mike, gm Mike M4 is very slow
[09:02] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: still looking good for a 12 ISH launch?
[09:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> pb0ahx: Very slow indeed! Could stil track it when I got up 7.30 this morning
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[09:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> last green at about 8.30
[09:11] <pb0ahx> SA6BSS-Mike, yes i waiting for him hihihihih
[09:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
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[09:19] <arjunnaha> AndyEsser: atm yes
[09:24] <AndyEsser> yy
[09:24] <AndyEsser> yay*
[09:28] <fsphil> if it's delayed enough I might be able to track it :)
[09:28] <fsphil> so no rush :)
[09:29] <arjunnaha> Well, it's ISH ;)
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[09:49] <arjunnaha> Has anyone got a copy of Virtual Audio Cable? VB-Cable doesn't seem to be working.
[09:52] <craag> arjunnaha: see PM
[09:52] <swaledale> http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htm
[09:57] <SM0ULC-Reb> admin pse rerun hysplit for s-15
[09:58] <arjunnaha> swaledale: Thanks, but got a version from craag
[10:00] <swaledale> np
[10:00] <swaledale> plenty of cotswold hills for you to land in later :) 14:30 launch prediction clears south of the wolds
[10:02] <arjunnaha> yeh, no crowded urban areas ;)
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[10:15] <esculca> morning guys
[10:15] <esculca> still strugling with the http post on habitat server
[10:16] <esculca> using the ESP8266 module
[10:16] <esculca> and arduino
[10:17] <esculca> this is my http post
[10:17] <esculca> POST /payload_telemetry HTTP/1.0
[10:17] <esculca> Host: http://habitat.habhub.org/transition
[10:17] <esculca> Accept: */*
[10:17] <esculca> Content-Length: 24
[10:17] <esculca> Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
[10:17] <esculca> $$callsign,5,6*45F0
[10:18] <esculca> and I am sending this to the IP 77.75.187.10
[10:18] <esculca> I am getting the following feedback from the server:
[10:19] <esculca> +IPD,311:HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
[10:19] <esculca> Server: nginx
[10:19] <esculca> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:02:17 GMT
[10:19] <esculca> Content-Type: text/html
[10:19] <esculca> Content-Length: 166
[10:19] <esculca> Connection: close
[10:19] <esculca> <html>
[10:19] <esculca> <head><title>400 Bad Request</title></head>
[10:19] <esculca> <body bgcolor="white">
[10:19] <esculca> <center><h1>400 Bad Request</h1></center>
[10:20] <esculca> <hr><center>nginx</center>
[10:20] <esculca> </body>
[10:20] <esculca> </html>
[10:20] <esculca> CLOSED
[10:20] <esculca> any ideas of what I am doing wrong?
[10:20] <russss> esculca: a Host header is not valid in a HTTP/1.0 request, that isn't a valid Host header, and you're not sending x-www-form-urlencoded data
[10:21] <cm13g09> esculca: Your "Host:" line is invalid, so it your content-type line.
[10:21] <cm13g09> Host: should contain just a hostname
[10:21] <cm13g09> Content-type, I guess, should be text/plain for this
[10:22] <cm13g09> So I'd expect it to be Host: habitat.habhub.org
[10:22] <russss> what cm13g09 said, and I'd change HTTP/1.0 to HTTP/1.1 and add a "Connection: close" header
[10:22] <cm13g09> russss: agreed
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[10:24] <fsphil> this will continue to cause you grief
[10:25] <russss> I don't actually know the habitat protocol, is it just posting the telemetry line? how does it know what the receiving callsign is
[10:25] <cm13g09> russss: me neither, but there's clearly stuff wrong with the HTTP-i-ness
[10:25] <esculca> Russ, where is the habitat protocl defined?
[10:26] <esculca> I have been trying to google for that, uncessfully
[10:26] <esculca> why do you say that fsphil?
[10:27] <fsphil> I'm all doom and gloom today, ignore me
[10:28] <esculca> nothing a good cup of coffee won't solve
[10:28] <AndyEsser> if you're posting direct to Habitat CouchDB - I suspect it'll be a JSON payload
[10:28] <daveake> I don't think there is any documentation for the /transition method
[10:28] <x-f> POST to /payload_telemetry fields "callsign" and "string" ("callsign=esculca&string=yoururlencodedtelemetrystring")
[10:29] <daveake> It's old and replaced and you'll probably get asked "wtf are you still using that?", like I did :-)
[10:29] <x-f> you can see that in the HTML source code - http://habitat.habhub.org/transition/
[10:30] <x-f> for resource-limited things it is still "good enough" :)
[10:30] <daveake> The json stuff is documented, and that's what dl-fldigi and my lora gateway use, if you want samples
[10:30] <daveake> x-f sure but it might get pulled. Best to ask in #habhub
[10:31] <daveake> I doubt it'll be present whenever the next habitat gets released
[10:31] <fsphil> yeah stick with the json method if you can
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[10:32] <fsphil> more string manipulation on a microcontroller, yay :)
[10:32] <daveake> hah
[10:32] <daveake> in C
[10:32] <daveake> double yay
[10:32] <esculca> I will try the json, I just have to figure out the way to do it with arduino + esp8266 + AT commands
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[10:32] <fsphil> ideally you'd want to handle a response from the habitat server when the document already exists
[10:32] <gonzo_> char arrays, do-while loops and pointers
[10:33] <fsphil> doom I tell you. doom.
[10:33] <gonzo_> string types are the devils work
[10:33] <esculca> I stayed awake till 2 in the morning dealing with this damm http post
[10:34] <daveake> I shall keep my mouth shut and not mention the pi at all
[10:34] <daveake> oops
[10:34] <AndyEsser> esculca: what's the use case? You have a microcontroller pushing direct to habitat?
[10:34] <esculca> AndyEsser: correct
[10:35] <esculca> I have a arduino mega receiving my telemetry from lora
[10:35] <AndyEsser> Ah lora stuff
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[10:35] <esculca> and then I have a esp8266 module connected to the arduino
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[10:35] <daveake> The problem as sqrt(-1) to do with lora
[10:35] <daveake> is
[10:35] <esculca> what I simply want is upload the telemetry to habitat server
[10:35] <daveake> The problem is http and network on an Arduino
[10:35] <fsdoom> I really want to play Quake 3 Arena now
[10:36] <esculca> fsdoom, you should stick to the coffee
[10:36] <fsdoom> never touch the stuff
[10:37] <x-f> somebody needs to post that Dave Grohl video
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[10:39] <AndyEsser> fsphil: how do you survive without coffee?
[10:39] <AndyEsser> Pretty sure it's one of the major food groups
[10:39] <AndyEsser> along with nicotine and alcohol
[10:40] <esculca> and chicks
[10:40] <esculca> anyhow
[10:41] <esculca> wht is the method used in http://habitat.habhub.org/manual_upload/
[10:45] <daveake> The /transition method
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[10:49] <esculca> Where can I see that defined?
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[10:56] <daveake> I opened the page source
[10:57] <daveake> You already have sample code that uses it; what you need to is to fix your use of http
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[11:00] <AndyEsser> really wish tracker.habhub.org would stop defaulting to snapping to M10RS-11 when I load it :(
[11:00] <swaledale> AndyEsser me too. Save the URL to your location on the tracker as a favourite, helps
[11:01] <AndyEsser> also need to see if I can actually catch anything with SDR console this time
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[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:10] <AndyEsser> esculca: my recommendation: get Apache JMeter or Google Postman and use that to post your requests until you get the Header/Payload right, and take that into code
[11:11] <esculca> ok AndyEsser
[11:11] <esculca> let me tyr with the postman
[11:11] <AndyEsser> is there any documentation you're working from? Or just posting randomly until you get it working?
[11:13] <swaledale> arjunnaha are you txing?
[11:14] <arjunnaha> Yeah turning it on now
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[11:17] <michal_f> hi
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[11:28] <arjunnaha> We seem to be having issues decoding it
[11:28] <daveake> What issues?
[11:28] <arjunnaha> It was working a few minutes ago, but no dl-fldigi is spitting out nonsense
[11:28] <daveake> what changed?
[11:28] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: it's not reverted back to defaults?
[11:28] <arjunnaha> We didn't change anything
[11:29] <fsphil> I thought you where using lora?
[11:29] <daveake> Something changed
[11:29] <arjunnaha> AndyEsser: I don't think so
[11:29] <daveake> SDR or physical radio?
[11:29] <AndyEsser> fsphil: no Lora only RTTY
[11:29] <AndyEsser> (according to launch announcement)
[11:30] <arjunnaha> AirSpy
[11:30] <daveake> ok
[11:30] <daveake> Which Pi are you using ?
[11:30] <arjunnaha> A+
[11:30] <daveake> ok
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[11:30] <daveake> What virtual audio cable s/w ?
[11:31] <arjunnaha> Virtual Audio Cable
[11:31] <daveake> paid for or free ?
[11:31] <arjunnaha> Paid by craag
[11:31] <daveake> I don't care who by :)
[11:31] <daveake> demo version talks over the audio periodically, which is why I asked
[11:32] <daveake> Anything decoding or complete jibberish ?
[11:32] <arjunnaha> It was decoding at times
[11:32] <daveake> so not worked properly at all ?
[11:33] <arjunnaha> It did when we arrived but I don't know whats happened
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[11:38] <arjunnaha> Could someone remote in?
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[11:43] <swaledale2> are you making any progress arjunnaha
[11:47] <arjunnaha> Not as of yet
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[11:55] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: receiving the signal, but just not decoding correctly?
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[11:56] <arjunnaha> yes
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Can you post a screengrab ?
[11:57] <swaledale2> arjunnaha: whats the situation there? have you got a bus load of kids waiting with you or anything?
[11:57] <arjunnaha> No, just a few friends
[11:58] <swaledale2> ok just gauging the urgency
[11:59] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: what does the waterfall look like in fldigi? and yes, can you post a screenshot
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Check that you haven't clicked the Rv setting, and that both SDR# and dl-fldigi are on USB
[11:59] <swaledale2> ^^screenshot please
[11:59] <swaledale2> and confirm the settings for rtty being tx'd. i.e baud, frequency etc
[12:01] <arjunnaha> One sec
[12:03] <daveake> erm, your notam has expired
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[12:04] <DL7AD_> launched!
[12:04] <DL7AD_> DL7AD-14
[12:04] <AndyEsser> daveake: :O
[12:05] <daveake> FROM: 22 Jul 2016 07:00 GMT (08:00 BST) TO: 22 Jul 2016 12:00 GMT (13:00 BST)
[12:05] <swaledale2> sigh
[12:05] <DL7AD_> ssdv included
[12:05] <DL7AD_> transmitting images at 9k6 aprs and 1k2 aprs
[12:05] <daveake> I checked to see how much of a hurry he was in, and if I should consider going out to help
[12:05] <DL7AD_> one image every ~30sec
[12:06] <swaledale2> daveake I was considering the same, hence me asking if bus load of kids was involved. Evesham to Ciren isnt too far
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[12:06] <daveake> yeah that's quicker. 1 hour for me
[12:07] <daveake> If nothing else I could just take some working kit to lend
[12:07] <AndyEsser> shame about the notam
[12:07] <AndyEsser> did seem to get on site quite late
[12:08] <swaledale2> guess the notam issue is a bit of a bigger problem
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[12:13] <DL7AD_> fsphil: ping
[12:13] <swaledale> arjunnaha have you given up now?
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[12:15] <arjunnaha> swaledale: Nope, we're still launching.
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[12:17] <Ian_> I can see now why some of you specify a 0001 to 2359 period.
[12:17] <daveake> arjunnaha: Check your permission certificate NOW
[12:17] <daveake> If it says what the notam says DO NOT launch
[12:19] <fsphil> DL7AD_: hello
[12:19] <daveake> In case you missed it above, according to the notam (via notaminfo) your permission expired at 1pm
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[12:21] <arjunnaha> I'm talking with ATC about it.
[12:21] <daveake> They have nothing to do with the decision
[12:21] <AndyEsser> AFAIK ATC aren't responsible for letting you launch
[12:22] <daveake> You do not have permission. The end.
[12:22] <daveake> ATC can just ask (tell) you to delay; they can't give you permission.
[12:24] <arjunnaha> Alright, permission cleared if we launch right now.
[12:24] <daveake> sigh
[12:25] <daveake> you do not have permission
[12:25] <daveake> this can get quite serious for you if things go wrong
[12:25] <swaledale> Who told you this? You're about to fly a route over the top of RAF FAirford, I seriously wouldnt do this.
[12:26] <adamgreig> assuming your actual permission certificate doesn't just say "today" or whatever, of course
[12:26] <daveake> yes I asked that no answer
[12:26] <adamgreig> no answer is not the same as "you don't have permission!!!! STOP!!!!111"
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> There still hasn't been any update either of its position
[12:26] <daveake> adamgreig *I* asked *arjunnaha* what his permission said, and didn't get an answer from him
[12:27] <adamgreig> yea, I saw
[12:27] <daveake> ok thought you misunderstood
[12:27] <daveake> instead I did :)
[12:27] <Ian_> arjunnaha request you acknowledge daveake NOW . . . !!!! STOP !!!!!
[12:27] <adamgreig> I wonder what local ATC can and can't give permission for
[12:27] <daveake> well, check permission, as requested
[12:28] <daveake> if it's outside that, then stop
[12:28] <swaledale> And also check for restrictions e.g. direction
[12:28] <arjunnaha> They had given the go ahead for flight
[12:28] <daveake> what time range does your permission say?
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[12:29] <arjunnaha> 0800-1400
[12:29] <daveake> at last
[12:29] <daveake> fire away
[12:29] <swaledale> thank you
[12:29] <swaledale> so you've got it working now then?
[12:29] <adamgreig> weird that the NOTAM is 0800-1300 BST
[12:29] <arjunnaha> Yep
[12:29] <daveake> yes indeed
[12:29] <arjunnaha> It's up
[12:30] <daveake> shame there's no way of seeing those publically (general comment not just this flight)
[12:30] <adamgreig> probably for the best
[12:30] <daveake> hah
[12:30] <AndyEsser> last received message is >1h ago?
[12:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That's what I said its not been rx since there problem
[12:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> so no launch site tracking, it might not be working even ....
[12:31] <daveake> yup
[12:31] <adamgreig> or the launch site internet's not up
[12:31] <swaledale> I was about to drive over there with a working tracker to tag on, ah well
[12:31] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: they've been having decode issues
[12:31] <daveake> well he's online now :)
[12:32] <daveake> and that ^
[12:32] <adamgreig> and apparently it's working now :P
[12:32] <daveake> ofc
[12:32] <swaledale> working in the sense that it's flying through the air or working in the sense that you'll ever see it again? :)
[12:33] <arjunnaha> I'm sure we'll see it again ;)
[12:33] <daveake> tracking after landing is going to be interesting for you
[12:33] <daveake> Now you have 2.5 hours to fix it
[12:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> dowe know balloon type and weight etc.
[12:35] <arjunnaha> Hywoye 1200
[12:36] <arjunnaha> 862g payload
[12:36] <DL7AD_> fsphil: launed one ssdv balloon DL7AD-14
[12:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> So about 5m/s ascent rate ?
[12:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> if so http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=2b6964ebdfb2e78af8edc113e4b112e7338285b1
[12:36] <arjunnaha> Yes
[12:38] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/DL7AD
[12:38] <fsphil> any idea what's causing those lines?
[12:38] <AndyEsser> daveake: presume you're looking to see if you can RX it?
[12:39] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-07-22--11-10-26-DL7AD-7ACA.jpeg
[12:39] <fsphil> shadow looks like the ISS :)
[12:40] <Ian_> Wonder what Sibot makes of a picture of 2 feet
[12:40] <SIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[12:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial ForestHAB
[12:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5): 03434.251163 MHz
[12:40] <fsphil> SIbot: you so silly
[12:41] Action: Ian_ too
[12:41] <Ian_> Ah. Sibot spoofing!
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[12:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> can see it on the w/f here but to weak to decode yet
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm its weak
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[12:47] <AndyEsser> o0o packet received 23 s ago
[12:47] <AndyEsser> O/
[12:48] <dbrooke> It's weak here too, I did get a few partials a few minutes ago but now it's hardly detectable.
[12:48] <adamgreig> oh ye of little faith
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> spinning a lot as well
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting the odd partial
[12:49] <arjunnaha> Well it was then or never launch so ;)
[12:49] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLH8F2xDU90
[12:49] <adamgreig> as the zen of python has it
[12:49] <adamgreig> Now is better than never.
[12:49] <adamgreig> Although never is often better than *right* now.
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[12:52] <mfa298> but was it really "now or never" or "not or not today", sometimes not today and reschedule is better. Although cost of petrol vs cost of payload might suggest launch and pray in some cases
[12:52] <arjunnaha> Screens at team,"LAUNCH LAUNCH LAUNCH" "NOW"
[12:52] <arjunnaha> *SCREAMS
[12:52] <g8fjg> it looks to be at least 15db down , and its in the .250 qrm :-(
[12:52] <fsphil> never be afraid to call off a launch
[12:54] <daveake> Unless, perhaps, if it's an eclipse :)
[12:54] <adamgreig> it's so hard though
[12:54] <adamgreig> much easier when it's not _your_ launch
[12:54] <daveake> yup
[12:54] <adamgreig> the perspective makes it a lot easier to see that now's a bad time to launch
[12:55] <adamgreig> had a launch recently where they clearly should not launch
[12:55] <adamgreig> tracking wasn't working, data logging wasn't working, they had no sensors, not enough gas, and their fill line exploded
[12:56] <adamgreig> no cameras
[12:56] <adamgreig> no backup tracker
[12:56] <adamgreig> they were still like "can we launch it?"
[12:56] <adamgreig> "but we've been working on it for ages!"
[12:56] <adamgreig> and I suspect come august I'll be doing exactly the same thing
[12:56] <swaledale> Drops Mic and leaves!
[12:56] <adamgreig> "I know I've only written half the firmware but we can flash it on the pad, let's go ahead with the launch!!!"
[12:57] <AndyEsser> think my SDR has died since I tested it this morning :(
[12:57] Action: AndyEsser gets soldering iron out
[12:57] <fsphil> stop dropping mics, they're expensive
[12:57] <swaledale> was the one of my boys karaoke machine, it *needed* dropping
[12:57] <fsphil> lol
[12:58] <swaledale> "daddy, the batteries have run out" - yes son, and they are very hard to get hold of *cough*
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[12:59] <arjunnaha> Got a strong signal, RXing!
[12:59] <AndyEsser> yep, SDR is kaput :(
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[13:03] <daveake> That is a weak signal
[13:03] <daveake> Payload doc ahs the wrong shift - it's more like 600Hz
[13:04] <daveake> hah $$orac,95/,43:04:....
[13:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[13:05] <arjunnaha> Thanks to everyone who's tracking it, we're receiving good data!
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[13:07] <daveake> I'm not. Considering the distance and altitude it's very weak.
[13:08] <daveake> Not the best direction from here, but even so I'd expect better
[13:10] <PA0RPA> Indeed Dave, very weak modulated and probably thumbling like hell, no detection possible here in Holland !
[13:10] <mattbrejza> what would be the fun with a strong stable signal? it takes all the fun away...
[13:11] <AndyEsser> woo I _think_ I've managed to resolder and get my SDR working
[13:11] <daveake> Not seen green at all yet, and I'm 30 miles away
[13:12] <daveake> Even my lora backup worked sometimes on Tuesday, and that had no aerial :-)
[13:12] <PA0RPA> It means for us that they have not the skills to build a good antenna and to set a good modulation index, they are learning from this project we hope.....
[13:12] <daveake> (ripped off at 11km)
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[13:13] <bertrik> pb0ahx: are you getting something already from FORESTHAB?
[13:13] <pb0ahx> bertrik, yes but only red lins
[13:14] <bertrik> when I get to the hackerspace (in 20 minutes or so), I'll start up the RevSpace tracker
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wondering if we are getting refraction as F5APQ is doing very well, but oly just seeing it here
[13:14] <g8fjg> daveake: dont be too hard on yourself,,i thought my LoRa set up had died that day
[13:14] <daveake> I did get worried as we were chasing, and the screen was showing 11km for ages
[13:15] <pb0ahx> bertrik, yes if u dare than he is mor up and stronger i hope
[13:15] <daveake> We got 2 packets after that, before landing
[13:15] <daveake> One at 368m
[13:15] <daveake> Got it on the ground too, with a yagi from 250m away :)
[13:15] <arjunnaha> Is F5APQ on this channel? He's doing really well
[13:16] <daveake> All it had for an aerial was an SMA plug and ground plane
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> He has a LOVELY take off totally flat to the coast!
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[13:19] <g8fjg> the signal has a 25db qsb but the qrm on .250 is a killer here,
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[13:21] <g8fjg> I'm using an az-el yagi at 10' , so as not to see the qrm from that direction...try not to see!
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[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> F5APQ location https://www.google.com/maps/@50.855482,1.9465172,3a,75y,236.87h,98.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4t5APa9L4L1QPR93bz3XIQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D4t5APa9L4L1QPR93bz3XIQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D318.99854%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656
[13:22] <arjunnaha> !dial ForestHAB
[13:22] <SpacenearUS> 03arjunnaha: Latest dials for 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5): 03434.2508 MHz
[13:23] <g8fjg> that seems nice and rural = quiet
[13:23] <AndyEsser> I have an SDR back!
[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Great site
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[13:29] <AndyEsser> getting partials here
[13:30] <AndyEsser> (and sadly, had to go back to SDR# )
[13:30] <arjunnaha> !dial ForestHAB
[13:30] <SpacenearUS> 03arjunnaha: Latest dials for 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5): 03434.2508 MHz, 434.251 MHz
[13:30] <pb0ahx> here now 418.6km
[13:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03687_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=687_chase
[13:36] <swaledale> SDR is picking this up intermittently, not great considering I can nearly see it from here
[13:36] <daveake> I think I managed 1 sentence
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> I wonder if the aerial is on top, rather than hanging down ?
[13:37] <AndyEsser> I managed a partial
[13:38] <AndyEsser> ForestHA..dlkjfasdhfasdhfsdf
[13:38] <AndyEsser> heh
[13:38] <AndyEsser> and now nothing
[13:38] <swaledale> thats an achievement AndyEsser
[13:38] <arjunnaha> It's not. The aerial is coming out from the bottom.
[13:38] <AndyEsser> swaledale: I've had better tracking days ;)
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Seems like the more distant the statio better decoding ?
[13:39] <AndyEsser> it's in a bit of a hurry to get up there, isn't it
[13:40] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE: I can imagine that tying in with the aerial being on top
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> But appraently not
[13:41] <daveake> arjunnaha: Do you have an idea what is wrong with the antenna or antenna connection to the tracker?
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[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any pictures taken at the launch ?
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[13:42] <bertrik> !frequency foresthab
[13:42] <arjunnaha> !dials ForestHAB
[13:42] <arjunnaha> !dial ForestHAB
[13:42] <AndyEsser> !dial ForestHAB
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> 03arjunnaha: Latest dials for 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5): 03434.250032 MHz, 434.251043 MHz, 434.2508 MHz, 434.24942 MHz
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Latest dials for 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5): 03434.250032 MHz, 434.251043 MHz, 434.2508 MHz, 434.24942 MHz
[13:43] <bertrik> thanks
[13:43] <arjunnaha> daveake: I have a vague idea. The radials might not have spread out properly 😬
[13:44] <daveake> so they're hanging down ?
[13:44] <pb0ahx> bertrik, hier bij mij 434.250.9
[13:44] <arjunnaha> yes
[13:44] <daveake> So you made a partial faraday cage
[13:45] <daveake> ok well that would explain it
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Makes sense http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/ForestHAB1_20160722/index.php?ind=1
[13:47] <AndyEsser> more partials here
[13:47] <arjunnaha> !dial ForestHAB
[13:47] <SpacenearUS> 03arjunnaha: Latest dials for 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5): 03434.250032 MHz, 434.251043 MHz, 434.24942 MHz, 434.2508 MHz
[13:51] <pb0ahx> on this moment 427 km nice
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[13:51] <pb0ahx> but a lot of bad decodes
[13:51] <bertrik> I just received a GozestHAB message, but now lot of QRM on that frequency
[13:52] <swaledale> Shift is about 600, not 800
[13:52] <pb0ahx> shift here is 700
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[13:55] <bertrik> 300 baud?
[13:55] <swaledale> yes
[13:57] <swaledale> is anyone chasing this thing?
[13:59] <arjunnaha> We are.
[14:00] <bertrik> I can clearly see the signal now, but only occassionally do I see something resembling $ForestHAB
[14:01] <daveake> Yeah it's a very poor signal
[14:02] <daveake> Hopefully it lands somewhere convenient so it can be received from the road
[14:02] <daveake> A tree might be a good option this time :p
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[14:03] <arjunnaha> lol
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[14:06] <bertrik> got a fragment of packet 2388
[14:06] <swaledale> just wondering... is a height record valid if you didnt have permission to launch? *ducks*
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[14:07] <AndyEsser> swaledale: who didn't have permission?
[14:08] <swaledale> lol nobody, just wondering that's all! :)
[14:08] <AndyEsser> lol
[14:10] <arjunnaha> We're getting pretty good packets from the car.
[14:11] <swaledale> incidentally arjunnaha Do you have a copy of the permission and NOTAM PDF they sent you? I'm launching in a very similar location soon and would like to see what they said on it? Thx
[14:13] <arjunnaha> We're chasing the balloon right now, I'll send it to you once I get home :)
[14:17] <swaledale> Fab, thanks arjunnaha :)
[14:17] <pb0ahx> 447km now nice
[14:19] <Ian_> hiccoughs notwithstanding, I'm more than suitably impressed with your ground sector arrangements. Tracker radio, IRC and presumably Tracker map connectivity. Better than some Uni Student teams who have eschewed a lot of the advice given here.
[14:19] <Ian_> and often reflected in their results.
[14:20] <Ian_> That's very much a compliment to you and your team.
[14:20] <AndyEsser> my planned launch site has zero internet/phone access :P
[14:20] <Ian_> Excuses :)
[14:20] <daveake> you need a better plan :)
[14:20] <AndyEsser> daveake: indeed
[14:20] <Ian_> Definitely a better launch site
[14:20] <AndyEsser> Did think the racecourse here in chester would be perfect
[14:20] <AndyEsser> but...
[14:20] <AndyEsser> f'ing airports
[14:21] <swaledale> horselaunch
[14:22] <swaledale> AndyEsser, I have a previous launch permission from Denbigh if it helps for you to see
[14:22] <arjunnaha> Yes
[14:22] <AndyEsser> o0o0 swaledale that may well do :P
[14:23] <AndyEsser> swaledale: that'd be perfect, if there's good phone reception
[14:23] <swaledale> well the site itself was private, but the permission is a good indication of the restrictions. i.e. must go west or south.
[14:23] <AndyEsser> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=4ed990f10e06b751e2b2fdada3f79904d5c1b948
[14:23] <swaledale> pm me your email
[14:24] <Ian_> AndyEsser, how will you manage to phone the local ATC if required, from your planned launch location . . .
[14:25] <pb0ahx> TEAM ForestHAB tnx for the flight was nice for me
[14:25] <arjunnaha> -25m/s
[14:25] <arjunnaha> Rip
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[14:26] <bertrik> lost the signal here (the hague)
[14:26] <pb0ahx> here very weakly now
[14:27] <bertrik> also seeing a lot of QRM on the frequency now
[14:27] <AndyEsser> Ian_: there is voice phone reception - just no data ;)
[14:28] <daveake> MiFi on a mast might do it for you
[14:28] <AndyEsser> maybe, but not going to fanny around with that
[14:28] <AndyEsser> going to find somewhere else
[14:29] <AndyEsser> swaledale's Denbigh-ish area looked good
[14:29] <arjunnaha> We've still got a very strong signal, but it is landing FAST.
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No its still in thin air, wait till below 10Km
[14:30] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: I think the "rule of thumb" is, whatever speed it was descening at 20km, divide by 4
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[14:30] <AndyEsser> who's the muppet that pressed the wrong button!
[14:30] <swaledale> at least you didnt have to travel far
[14:31] <daveake> AndyEsser yeah, @20km/4, or @10km/2
[14:32] <AndyEsser> wtf... where did this rain come from?!
[14:32] <AndyEsser> it was glorious sunshine 20 mins ago...
[14:33] <swaledale> fading fast
[14:34] <Ian_> I notice from Steve's launch videos from Elsworth the pole on the car, presumably a mifi at almost 20ft
[14:34] <SIbot> In real units: 20 ft = 6.10 m
[14:35] <daveake> Yeah. I used an EE 4G in the car and that was fine
[14:36] <arjunnaha> We need like a thing of Slbot, where if you put the ft value in *'s, it won't convert it
[14:36] <Ian_> Showers today . . . Andy. Mixed blessings I guess.
[14:36] <Ian_> Sibot feature request!
[14:38] <AndyEsser> SIbot: Add request to not convert values surrouned by *
[14:39] <adamgreig> i mean you can just cheat right
[14:39] <adamgreig> 12 *ft
[14:39] <adamgreig> whatever
[14:39] <adamgreig> 12'
[14:39] <arjunnaha> Let's hope it doesn't land on the A417
[14:39] <Ian_> On target for a 5 - 5.5m/s touchdown - Fingers crossed
[14:40] <mfa298> the code for sibot is on github so I'm sure craag will be happy with pull requests
[14:42] <Ian_> Might be educational just to have a look at it.
[14:42] <swaledale> interesting change in gps sats in the telemetry
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[14:56] <swaledale> I've lost signal now
[14:57] <arjunnaha> !dial ForestHAB
[14:57] <SpacenearUS> 03arjunnaha: Latest dials for 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5): 03434.250948 MHz
[14:57] <swaledale> arjunnaha did you manage to fix your decoding so you can get a signal nearby?
[14:58] <arjunnaha> Getting gibberish, but still a signal. We're on it, but with bad coverage.
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[15:00] <daveake> Did you decode any positions during flight ?
[15:01] <arjunnaha> Yes, it's been working pretty well.
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[15:01] <arjunnaha> Lots of green checksums ;)
[15:01] <daveake> good
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[15:03] <swaledale> hopefully it landed on the East side of the A417 where there are farms, and not the West where there is a Quarry
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[15:07] <arjunnaha> Can someone send me the coordinates of the payload? Terrible coverage here.
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[15:12] <Ian_> Do you have a yagi with you? I'm thinking that Highgate Farm is on relatively high ground and may afford you a radio view for D/F
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[15:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Predicicted landing spot is 51.812515, -2.065213 Highgate Farm
[15:19] <daveake> Your best bet is to go to that
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[15:22] <Ian_> Last fix at 2,142m was 51.80723, -2.07757 to the SW of Highate Farm, so hopefully on a vague line between them and nearer the farm.
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[16:20] <AndyEsser> O I shouldn't be watching a TV show about heavy towing on a Canadian highway
[16:20] Action: AndyEsser is planning new toys for his truck for ultimate HAB recovery :P
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[16:26] <swaledale> Will it have an antenna mounted on a Moose?
[16:28] <fsphil> monster truck?
[16:28] <fsphil> HAB stuck in a field. no problem, just drive over the hedge
[16:29] <daveake> 2 new tyres going on mine tomorrow
[16:29] <daveake> Thus doubling its value
[16:29] <daveake> Spent the same on getting an oil leak fixed today, but that's about the only repair work for over a year
[16:31] <AndyEsser> swaledale: Moose?
[16:31] <AndyEsser> I'm planning 2 antennas for it
[16:31] <daveake> Only 2 ? :)
[16:31] <swaledale> just a lil canadian joke!
[16:31] <AndyEsser> daveake: HF (havedn't decided flavour yet), plus a Diamond for 70cm/2m
[16:31] <swaledale> you at least need a telescopic mast surely
[16:32] <adamgreig> for all those HF HAB flights?
[16:32] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: RF isn't just for HAB
[16:32] <adamgreig> you... you can use it for other things? like what?
[16:32] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: Televsion
[16:32] <swaledale> High Altitude Rockets?
[16:32] <AndyEsser> television*
[16:32] <adamgreig> don't have one of those
[16:32] <AndyEsser> swaledale: :)
[16:32] <adamgreig> swaledale: aha ;)
[16:33] <AndyEsser> receiving satellite transmissions?
[16:33] <fsphil> HF television
[16:33] <swaledale> ..from rockets
[16:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANU - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANU
[16:33] <adamgreig> almost finished this 35 page report on this "high altitude rocket"
[16:33] <adamgreig> sneak peak at the rocket: https://agg.io/u/m3report.png
[16:33] <AndyEsser> fsphil: my plan is that I shouldn't be hampered by a bad vehicle to recover a HAB
[16:33] <AndyEsser> just me being unfit/unwilling
[16:34] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: erm...
[16:34] <AndyEsser> Proposed Launch Date?
[16:34] <AndyEsser> o wait... it's July
[16:34] <AndyEsser> oops
[16:34] <swaledale> adamgreig V Nice
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[16:34] <adamgreig> a beaut alright
[16:34] <swaledale> when's international hab week then?
[16:34] <adamgreig> might use some RF too
[16:35] <AndyEsser> Saturday 10th September swaledale
[16:35] <AndyEsser> :P
[16:35] <adamgreig> we're so efficient we pack it all into a single day
[16:35] <AndyEsser> ^
[16:35] <adamgreig> I'll be talking about this rocket at ukhas this year actually
[16:35] <swaledale> hmm, this sounds interesting
[16:35] <AndyEsser> :)
[16:35] <AndyEsser> I'm looking forward to the ukhas conference
[16:35] <AndyEsser> will also be good to be back in Cambridge
[16:36] <DL7AD> fsphil: i have no idea. i never had those blue and yellow lines before. it might have something to do with the SPV1040. im charging to a higher voltage since im using a super cap. i could also have something to do with the clocking. im not running the STM32 at 180mhz anymore but 26mhz.
[16:36] <swaledale> I'm assuming this is bigger than your usual Estes rockets then :)
[16:36] <adamgreig> swaledale: oh yea, there's no scale on that
[16:36] <adamgreig> it's 3.7m tall
[16:36] <swaledale> sheesh
[16:36] <adamgreig> so a little bigger than your typical estes rocket yes
[16:36] <DL7AD> fsphil: you're right. it almost looks like the iss. but it only has 3 solar panels in series on each side.
[16:36] <swaledale> That's big. I fondly remember the Top Gear episode where they strapped some to a Mini on a ski slope
[16:37] <swaledale> then 'launched' a reliant robin into (nowherenear)space
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[16:45] <fsphil> nearground
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[16:49] <daveake> under
[16:49] <AndyEsser> src/modem.cpp:11:18: error: non-const lvalue reference to type 'Orbital::Queuing::QueueHandler' (aka 'void (*)(const Orbital::Queuing::Message)') cannot bind to a value of unrelated type 'void (const Orbital::Queuing::Message)'
[16:49] <AndyEsser> queue.Subscribe(messageQueue);
[16:49] <AndyEsser> le sigh
[16:49] <AndyEsser> as helpful as clang can be
[16:49] <AndyEsser> sometimes it's unhelpful
[16:50] <adamgreig> that's what you get for writing c++ tbh
[16:50] <adamgreig> use a real language
[16:50] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: like pythong
[16:50] <AndyEsser> ha!
[16:50] <AndyEsser> unintential typo is amusing :)
[16:50] <daveake> edited with brief
[16:50] <AndyEsser> fixed it now... was being a muppet
[16:50] <AndyEsser> daveake: +1
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[16:58] <AndyEsser> C0axialW4rp
[16:58] <AndyEsser> well shit...
[16:58] <AndyEsser> time to change VM password
[16:58] <adamgreig> it's ok, we just see *******
[16:59] <adamgreig> "VM" password, sure, sure
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[17:05] <Laurenceb> adamgreig: looks nice, boosted dart?
[17:05] <adamgreig> yea
[17:05] <Laurenceb> whats the max speed and predicted apogee?
[17:06] <adamgreig> for this launch, in scotland, this year, where the ceiling is 15kft, the numbers are small
[17:06] <adamgreig> 300m/s and 15kft respectively, no surprises there
[17:06] <adamgreig> for the real launch, the year after, the numbers are still secret I think ;)
[17:07] <adamgreig> but "faster" and "higher"
[17:07] <adamgreig> the emblem in the document there has a clue as well
[17:07] <Laurenceb> ok
[17:07] <adamgreig> suffice to say we need an FAA class 3 waiver
[17:09] <Laurenceb> wow
[17:09] <Laurenceb> so >41kNs
[17:10] <adamgreig> lol oh yea
[17:10] <Laurenceb> yet you can get >120km with an ~18Ns D motor...
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[17:10] <adamgreig> from a balloon!
[17:10] <adamgreig> doing it from the ground is a touch harder
[17:10] <Laurenceb> if you can come up with a way to guide it lol
[17:11] <adamgreig> lol
[17:11] <Laurenceb> well...
[17:11] <adamgreig> so how is your launch going
[17:11] <adamgreig> I was hoping you'd have results for this year's ukhas conference :P
[17:11] <Laurenceb> havent done anytrhing on it :-/
[17:11] <adamgreig> :(
[17:11] <Laurenceb> not really
[17:11] <adamgreig> brb
[17:11] <Laurenceb> maybe I could throw something together
[17:11] <Laurenceb> spending my time shouting at Qt
[17:11] <JonnyAlpha> Sitting in a tent just outside of Ipswich ANU on the map 29m ago, is it launching shortly?
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[17:31] <daveake> unlikely
[17:35] <number10> tomorrow JonnyAlpha
[17:36] <swaledale> anyone heard from arjunnaha on the ForestHAB recovery progress?
[17:36] <AndyEsser> number10: what time?
[17:36] <daveake> no. no update here on the map
[17:36] <number10> about 1300
[17:37] <AndyEsser> number10: cool - hopefully can catch it
[17:37] <AndyEsser> have yet to track anything since moving to SDR Console
[17:37] <swaledale> lost deep in the wolds
[17:37] <swaledale> AndyEsser what do you think of SDR Console compared to SDR#? (other than not tracking)
[17:42] <AndyEsser> swaledale: *waves hand in motion to suggest 'meh'*
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[17:43] <swaledale> i think thats all i need to know
[17:43] <AndyEsser> it obviously has far more functionality, but at the same time, think that's getting in the way of me tracking
[17:43] <AndyEsser> and I don't like the FFT displays
[17:43] <AndyEsser> but that's probably a setting I need to fiddle
[17:43] <AndyEsser> s/FFT/waterfalls
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[17:47] <swaledale> if it aint broke
[17:49] <AndyEsser> My issue is the resolution of them - they look like stretched JPGs
[17:49] <AndyEsser> again, as I said, suspect it's a setting I need to tweak
[17:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MIKEL-5 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-5
[17:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If they look like stretched jpg;'s perhaps you need to increase the resolution, unless you don't have the processing power ?
[17:50] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/a/WHqAQ
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/ForestHAB1_20160722/Screenshot-2016-07-22-144430.png
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> My layout is different from yurs it works downwrds!
[17:53] <AndyEsser> Intersting
[17:53] <AndyEsser> something just.... popped in my toolbox...
[17:54] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-M: my FFT resolution is set to "Highest"
[17:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I'm on default resolution 10lines/persecond
[17:54] <AndyEsser> what resolution do you run your monitor at?
[17:55] <AndyEsser> I'm at 20
[17:55] <AndyEsser> lines*
[17:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 1920x1200 vertical format
[17:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 20lines/as well depends how much I want on screen
[17:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I wonder if its the choice of colours makes the eye see it differently ?
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[18:37] <arjunnaha> Right, we got a final location
[18:37] <arjunnaha> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51%C2%B048'43.2%22N+2%C2%B004'12.4%22W/@51.8113194,-2.070969,602m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.81199!4d-2.07011?hl=en
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[18:37] <arjunnaha> The situation is that we can't seem to find any access to this place anywhere
[18:41] <DL7AD> could anybody run a hysplit forecast for DL7AD-14 ?
[18:43] <Miles> 10907816
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[18:55] <Ian_> arhunnaha, on your map, think about going to the east Ekstone, follow the road west which goes into a tunnel under A417. Follow track NW until you have to think about walking. You might wish to ask advice at Highate Farm first.
[19:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> !hysplit DL7AD-14
[19:01] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[19:01] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: Here you go: 12https://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
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[19:11] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike: yep
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[19:25] <Ian_> arjunnaha, an alternative approach is from the west via Brimpsfield Park and the track that travels clockwise to close to your target.
[19:26] <Ian_> The Ord Survey option on the Habitat tracker gives clues when correlated with map and satellite imagery.
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[19:28] <arjunnaha> So we went to Brimpsfield Park and found that it wasn't a park but an estate. We found the owners who denied us access to the land but said he would have a look tomorrow. He also said that it was a crop field and would be difficult to find. I'm not going to get my hopes up but let's see what happens.
[19:31] <Ian_> Seems a reasonable first response. I didn't think that it was a public park at all, but if you were to return with a 'gift' then I'm sure that it would be gratefully received.
[19:33] <Ian_> it's been a long hot week and the farmer was probably a little brusque as is their way (defensive with strangers). Normally they have a heart of gold beneath the rough exterior. If you had a yagi with you, you might be able to assist him look, just keep off his crops!
[19:33] <Ian_> who are you travelling with?
[19:34] <Ian_> friends or relations etc?
[19:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> That last position is still 2km high it will be further East likely the other side of the road.
[19:35] <Ian_> I hope that you asked for a contact number, you could have someone ring and ask if the preference is beer, red or white wine?
[19:36] <Ian_> Geoff-G8DHE ^^ 19:37
[19:36] <Ian_> Final fix obtained.
[19:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> DL7AD: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/167322_trj001.gif 4days trajectory
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[19:40] <swaledale> arjunnaha: did you obtain that GPS location by decoding the payload after it landed?
[19:40] <arjunnaha> Yes
[19:40] <Ian_> Did you get a contact numeber for the farmer?
[19:41] <swaledale> Ok excellent. Then you can be fairly certain that it is where you think it is
[19:41] <Ian_> I presume that you also described the parachute to him, colours etc?
[19:41] <arjunnaha> We got the number for the estate but not for the farmer himself
[19:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Ah right it's not been uploaded!
[19:41] <Ian_> As good as.
[19:42] <Ian_> Geoff 1937 ^^ for the Google Map link.
[19:42] <arjunnaha> He seemed quite busy, but told them roughly what size and colour
[19:42] <arjunnaha> The final packets didn't get uploaded
[19:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> michal_f: saw your post in the forum, good to know its reasonable stable, its going right over your head in a couple of hours :)
[19:42] <swaledale> He'll go and look. Farmers are curious.
[19:42] <Ian_> You can imagine in today's sun that he was probably not at his best in the social stakes.
[19:43] <Ian_> Them? did you speak direct to the farmer or a contact?
[19:43] <swaledale> The payload is in that disused Quarry I mentioned earlier, thankfully disused a long time ago and turned into a crop field by the sounds of it.
[19:43] <michal_f> Radio is on all night :)
[19:44] <arjunnaha> I spoke to a young person who said he owned the area on the map
[19:45] <Ian_> Rgr, that's fine.
[19:45] <swaledale> They do pheasant shoots at Brimpsfield.
[19:45] <arjunnaha> It wouldn't surprise me, I saw lots of lakes and pits around
[19:46] <arjunnaha> Swaledale: Yes, I saw lots of signs for pheasant shooting
[19:46] <swaledale> From their website they say they are over 1000ft ASL, which is why it hit the deck early of the predicted landing spot.
[19:46] <SIbot> In real units: 1000 ft = 305 m
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[19:47] <swaledale> From the website: The farm is fully operational, its grassland grazed by herds of cattle, sheep and pigs while the arable land grows a variety of cereal crops. All of this is managed from the farm office located in the old stable block
[19:47] <arjunnaha> The telemetry said 250m
[19:48] <swaledale> Yeah, give or take 50m across the estate I expect
[19:48] <Ian_> It looks from the GMap link that it is in what was a grass field with some trees. May be crops now or may just be bounded by the areas that are obviously crops. If its on that open field, grazing, then it may be quite easy for him to find.
[19:48] <Ian_> Were you travelling with a parent?
[19:48] <swaledale> You will be able to see from the road what the field is
[19:48] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike: thx
[19:49] <swaledale> In fact probably easier for the farmer to get to it from the road
[19:49] <Ian_> Hanging out for a cold six pack reward
[19:49] <arjunnaha> He said from the looks of the map, it was in the middle of a crop field
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[19:50] <Ian_> Combine harvesters and large trees tend not to mix well
[19:50] <Ian_> Hay is a crop
[19:51] <swaledale> Estate office tel no is 01452863163 FYI arjunnaha
[19:51] <arjunnaha> Swaledale: Thanks for that, I might bugger them on Monday
[19:52] <arjunnaha> BTW, starsky135 was part of the team :)
[19:52] <starsky135> Hi everyone :)
[19:52] <swaledale> Bugger? I suspect that might be a sure way of getting shot ;)
[19:57] <Ian_> Where were you when you managed to get the final fix arjunnaha?
[19:58] <arjunnaha> Driving along the A417
[19:58] <Ian_> I keep bees and work with a busy beefarmer, so have a little insight into farmers.
[19:58] <Ian_> Good.
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[19:59] <Ian_> Because they run businesses, they are usually as sharp as tacks despite rarely showing it.#
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[20:01] <arjunnaha> This guy seemed very well educated
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[20:02] <Ian_> You have to be to run a big farm these days.
[20:03] <Ian_> Land isn't cheap . . . I'm told that they don't make it anymore :)
[20:04] <daveake> More electronics and computing in his tractor than your payload and chase car combined :-)
[20:04] <daveake> Gps guidance probably
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[20:05] <Ian_> Have you seen the price of a CLAAS combine even before the GPS navigation.
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[20:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[20:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> michal_f: perfect :)
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[20:25] <ik1hgi> help
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[20:27] <Ian_> Are you drowning?
[20:30] <Ian_> What's your problem, there are no mind readers here today?
[20:30] <Ian_> Well that was short and sweet
[20:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> Ian_: hes left allready
[20:31] <Ian_> I noticed
[20:31] <Ian_> belatedly
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[20:56] <starsky135> !dial ForestHAB
[20:56] <SpacenearUS> 03starsky135: Latest dials for 03ForestHAB 10(b1c5): 03434.250948 MHz
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[21:34] <Upu> long down
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[22:44] <fsphil> was it found?
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[22:45] <starsky135> fsphil We've got ForestHAB's coordinates, but it's on private land. Owner is going to check tomorrow.
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[22:47] <fsphil> ah. not so bad. it was still transmitting then?
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[22:49] <starsky135> Yep.
[22:49] <fsphil> good to head
[22:49] <fsphil> hear too
[22:49] <starsky135> Checksummed packets, they weren't uploaded to the tracker due to internet issues though.
[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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