highaltitude.log.20160718

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[01:20] <jcoxon> Boo from Florida
[01:25] <Upu> morning jcoxon
[01:26] <jcoxon> Hey
[01:26] <jcoxon> Going to head out to spacex launch
[01:26] <jcoxon> In about an hour
[01:27] <Upu> lucky sod :)
[01:28] <Upu> going back to bed shorty just doing a feed
[01:28] <jcoxon> Might have had to reorganise the holiday
[01:28] <jcoxon> So using up all my credits, will take years to earn them back from Helen
[01:28] <jcoxon> Fatherhood :)
[01:28] <Upu> haha
[01:30] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: woo
[01:31] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: good luck
[01:31] <SpeedEvil> Especially awesome with RTLS
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[01:32] <Laurenceb__> jcoxon: good luck
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[01:37] <jcoxon> Yeah should be good, hopefully will get a good spot
[01:38] <jcoxon> But don't want to get there too early
[01:38] <jcoxon> As it'll be a long wait
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[05:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHAS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHAS
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZORG - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZORG
[06:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
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[07:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
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[07:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BUZZ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BUZZ
[08:01] <swaledale> Morning, any launches today?
[08:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nothing on the calendar
[08:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZURG - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZURG
[08:21] <fsphil> oh jcoxon got to see the spacex launch/landing. the git :)
[08:23] <swaledale> jammy
[08:31] <daveake> hah yes I saw
[08:31] <daveake> not jealous
[08:32] <daveake> (lie)
[08:52] <edmoore> i've never seen something launch into orbit
[08:52] <edmoore> would really like to
[09:04] <daveake> Saw a shuttle launch in 2009
[09:05] <daveake> Well worth getting up early and waiting 5 hours :)
[09:05] <AndyEsser> was supposed to watch a shuttle launch when I went to florida with my brother, but bad weather delayed it :(
[09:05] <daveake> https://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157628426877853/
[09:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hi_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hi_chase
[09:07] <AndyEsser> question to those who know about such things
[09:08] <AndyEsser> given we can get the NTX2 type modules to easily be received over 40km
[09:08] <AndyEsser> would it be easy enough to receive from 100km with them? with a sensitive enough antenna?
[09:08] <edmoore> ?
[09:09] <AndyEsser> that was terrible English...
[09:09] <AndyEsser> let me rephrase
[09:09] <edmoore> NTX@s work hundred of km with a modest receiving setup
[09:09] <edmoore> NTX2s
[09:09] <edmoore> that's what almost all habs have always flown
[09:09] <edmoore> so long as you have line of sight
[09:09] <edmoore> the record is something like 700km and that's just because LoS
[09:09] <AndyEsser> good lord...
[09:09] Action: AndyEsser needs more coffee
[09:09] <AndyEsser> apologies
[09:18] <swaledale> I watched SpaceX launch from a distance in Florida back in April, just looked like a long firework! Was in a cab from airport to hotel thinking I'd missed it and a sign at side of road indicated it was delayed til... 5 mins time. Not enough time to grab the camera :(
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[09:41] <fsphil> I don't think I'd bother taking photos. just enjoy it
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[09:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM3BC-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-12
[09:46] <swaledale> Yeah, I know what you mean, from a distance it was just a nice curvy line. Still nice to see mind
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[09:48] <daveake> Nice to feel it in your chest too, for big launches
[09:48] <daveake> We were 12 miles away so that bit happened what seemed a long time after launch
[09:50] <swaledale> 12 miles would be nice
[09:51] <swaledale> Was at Fairford last weekend for RIAT, the chest rumble from the new F35 was impressive :)
[09:52] <daveake> I tried to get tickets for the causeway, which is closer, but the NASA ticket site said "sold out" as soon as I managed to get on it, moments after the sale started
[09:52] <daveake> Turned out it was a website bug :/
[09:53] <daveake> Found that out from the couple sat next to us, byt the water, in "Space View Park"
[09:53] <gonzo__> did you point out that the park was 'near space' ?
[09:53] <daveake> hah
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[09:59] <fsphil> reminds me of seeing the Typhoon at a local airshow. you feel it as much as watch it
[09:59] <fsphil> always manages to set off a load of car alarms
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[10:02] <gonzo__> we used to have someone who drove dowd the road abot 2am every morninbg, with a loud exhaust. Setting off car alarms
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[10:02] <gonzo__> so regular that I put a spare keyfob tx on the bedside table
[10:04] <gonzo__> the tornado used to do similar tricks at airshows
[10:05] <gonzo__> the usual one was to have one do a very low slow pass of the crowd, then the commentator would ask if you were wondering where the other one had gone, which would then pass the same run at silly speed and almost knock you over
[10:06] <fsphil> yeah. the pilots like to aim the engines at the town and hit full power
[10:07] <swaledale> at RIAT last week the controllers were taking bets on whether each take off would set off the manager's alarm. Pretty sure most of em did
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[10:11] <craag> typhoon did that yesterday at farnborough :)
[10:11] <craag> enjoyably loud
[10:11] <cm13g09> craag: lol
[10:12] <swaledale> we work with BAE quite a lot, got to watch an engine test at Warton once. That was loud. Shouty loud!
[10:18] <swaledale> speaking of farnborough, BAE have a 'shuttle' between a few of their sites to farnborough. it's basically a 'repaired' Bae146 aircraft. Someone looked up its engineering history once, that was a mistake.
[10:18] <cm13g09> swaledale: lol
[10:19] <cm13g09> I assume it's one of those bodge-jobs
[10:19] <craag> I remember a tactical demonstration of the GR4 a while ago, did a low run at 'silly speed' dropping duds but with petrol-packed pyros going off for each one.
[10:19] <gonzo__> on RAf stations they used to post the accident reports for each type of AC being used in the briefing room
[10:19] <swaledale> I think it was a cut n shut
[10:19] <cm13g09> craag: Ah yes, they are well known for "faking" the explosions on those
[10:20] <craag> Heat + bangs + noise was incredible
[10:20] <craag> combined with the suddenness of it all
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[10:21] <gonzo__> Best I read was one from a prop engine trainer. The report was for an engine being unloaded from a crate
[10:22] <gonzo__> the mags shorting link was missing and as it slipped on the chains, it caught the prop and turned it over. With a bit of fuel in the carb
[10:22] <gonzo__> you can probably imagine the rest
[10:23] <swaledale> ouch
[10:25] <swaledale> daveake: how did your skycademy planning session with James go?
[10:25] <daveake> Pretty good
[10:25] <daveake> Aside from the traffic home :/
[10:26] <swaledale> Yeah, Friday traffic :/
[10:26] <swaledale> has he still got 30 going and did he say if he wants a hand?
[10:27] <daveake> Yes still 30 going, and yes he's going to ask for help ... there's a section where the payloads get set up and tested, and we'll need more hands for that
[10:27] <daveake> We had nearly 100 applicants I believe
[10:27] <swaledale> blimey
[10:28] <craag> :)
[10:28] <craag> when is it?
[10:28] <daveake> There was a vetting sheet with 86 oon it, and I believe some late applicants turned up after
[10:28] <daveake> 8th-10th August
[10:29] <swaledale> and yes IIRC last year testing the payloads was a bit hectic, the lora gateway building part too I think
[10:29] <daveake> yeah that's the main change
[10:30] <daveake> That was the part I wasn't happy about
[10:30] <craag> all lora this year instead of rtty?
[10:30] <daveake> No, both
[10:30] <craag> ok
[10:30] <craag> are you putting anything on the antenna at pi towers?
[10:31] <daveake> Sadly they moved to somewhere where they have no roof access
[10:31] <swaledale> yeah, the gateway part was also a bit of a logistical distraction, shifting people across the two rooms etc.
[10:31] <craag> aww
[10:31] <daveake> and surrounded by buildings
[10:31] <swaledale> oh yeah they moved now havent they
[10:31] <daveake> So we'll set up a portable mast somewhere near the landing area
[10:31] <craag> why would anyone do that? :P
[10:32] <craag> (move away from good roof access)
[10:33] <daveake> The intro parts are being shortened, and we may move a couple of bits to day 3, to free up more time on day 1 for building/testing
[10:33] <AndyEsser> sounds like a good few days fun :)
[10:34] <daveake> Funny when I arrived ... walked past the storeroom, which had an open door, and I asked "Have you got balloons in there? I can smell them"
[10:34] <daveake> I was right
[10:34] <swaledale> lol
[10:34] <gonzo__> did they start whispering in to the phone and looking at you sideways?
[10:35] <daveake> Only James heard :)
[10:35] <swaledale> having a heightened sense of smell towards latex is entirely normal I believe
[10:35] <daveake> It is
[10:35] <gonzo__> and often misunderstood by the general publiuc
[10:36] <daveake> Though it's not such a good thing in the chase car if you haven't got a bag for the balloon remains
[10:36] <swaledale> another thought, they could perhaps also consider dishing out some of the intro slides as pre-reading?
[10:36] <gonzo__> an good remionder that you have left the balloon a home thoiugh
[10:37] <daveake> Yeah I did send out some literature last time, but dunno how many read it
[10:37] <daveake> Basically, 2.5 days isn't quite enough time, so it's all a bit too tight.
[10:38] <daveake> and yes, pre-reading helps as then I can speed through some of the stuff
[10:38] <swaledale> Yeah last time I think James kind of said it was optional. I'd already looked into most things by the time it came around, but it was pretty clear some of our peers hadn't read a thing :) everyone is busy of course..
[10:39] <daveake> yep
[10:39] <daveake> wow, Farnell finally shipping some Pi A+ boards I ordered months ago
[10:40] <daveake> (new model with 512MB)
[10:40] <swaledale> I also recall doing the final prep for launch after the meal and several pints/wines :)
[10:42] <daveake> hah not the best time :)
[10:46] <daveake> The lora gateways this year have touchscreens and, if James gets it working better, rtty decoding with an airspy mini
[10:46] <swaledale> ooh gone all upmarket :)
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[10:47] <swaledale> LCARS for everyone would be nice!
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[10:51] <daveake> it will be
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[10:53] <fsphil> program complete, enter when ready
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[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S11 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S11
[10:59] <swaledale> might have a go at a touchscreen gateway myself then
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[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: did he actually get to see it - or did he just say he was going to see it - or have there been updates in places I'm not stalking him.
[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03REGGIE after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=REGGIE
[11:17] <daveake> speedevil Yes https://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/754906823560404992
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> nice
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[12:20] <AndyEsser> the estate this office is on would be perfect for HAB launches
[12:21] <AndyEsser> if it weren't immediately underneath the path of Liverpool airport :(
[12:21] <AndyEsser> s/Liverpool/Manchester
[12:32] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: How did you get those two muddled up.....
[12:39] <AndyEsser> cm13g09: they're reasonably close? and I'm pretty much in between the two
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[13:19] <edmoore> they're both 'the north'
[13:19] <edmoore> which is all the same
[13:27] <AndyEsser> uh huh...
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[13:29] <jakeio> Could anyone help me work out why the logtail is showing my telemetry being decoded but it's not appearing on the tracker.
[13:29] <swaledale> when i worked at Manchester airport i would follow the signs for Liverpool airport for part of the journey from my then home :/
[13:31] <AndyEsser> swaledale: where was that?
[13:33] <swaledale> AndyEsser: Crosby
[13:34] <arjunnaha> How kind of mount do I need to mount this on a brick wall? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mwVdv8rc/irccloudcapture322322978.jpg
[13:35] <adamgreig> you don't in general
[13:36] <adamgreig> you want a mast on the wall
[13:36] <adamgreig> and mount that to the mast
[13:36] <adamgreig> mast to brick wall is standard TV antenna fare
[13:36] <arjunnaha> Ah, that makes a bit more sense :)
[13:37] <adamgreig> it should have another two metal plates that go on those threaded rods
[13:37] <adamgreig> to clamp around a mast
[13:37] <jakeio> I appear to be sending location information that Habitat is suggesting is in the past, it's updating old locations not the most recent location?
[13:38] <daveake> Well, your latest map update is in the future
[13:38] <daveake> Which may be an issue
[13:38] <jakeio> Oh dear.
[13:38] <daveake> Dunno just guessing
[13:40] <swaledale> Either way I'm liking that landing prediction! ;)
[13:41] <jakeio> How have I sent something from the future!?
[13:41] <AndyEsser> jakeio: timezone/DST?
[13:41] <jakeio> My Pi's supposed to be using UTC.
[13:41] <jakeio> Looking at the logtail supports this.
[13:43] <jakeio> Well, my latest location was indeed sent at 17:40 today.
[13:43] <fsphil> you have a unix timestamp and a time field
[13:43] <fsphil> time seems a bit redundant
[13:43] <AndyEsser> jakeio: 17:40 UTC would definitely be in the future :P
[13:43] <jakeio> Have I discovered time travel!?
[13:44] <jakeio> Right, I've no clue how that happened. And, unfortunately, I have no way of telling when it happened...
[13:45] <jakeio> So, I'm going to wait until 17:40 UTC today and hope that I invent time travel then...
[13:45] <AndyEsser> I suspect it's 14:40 it was sent
[13:45] <daveake> Well, "when" is 2 hours 36 min ago according to snus
[13:46] <jakeio> Oh, yes, that was rather dense of me...
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[14:37] <swaledale> dont know about anyone else but its baking hot here with zero wind!
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[14:47] <fsphil> rather nice here from what I can see
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[14:54] <adamgreig> it's beautiful here, but pretty hot
[14:54] <adamgreig> however I just got back from Barcelona so it's not so bad in comparison :P
[14:55] <arjunnaha> adamgreig: Would something like this work to mount the antenna?
[14:55] <arjunnaha> http://www.screwfix.com/p/labgear-tv-aerial-wall-fixing-kit/96275?kpid=KINASEKPID&cm_mmc=GoogleLocal-_-Datafeed-_-Electrical%20and%20Lighting&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&gclid=CjwKEAjw_LG8BRDb1JTxm8uP_UwSJADu_8pWvJX78B2G6TWtjWcEyLn76hSy5TPn_pXeQBsk32xD_RoC1A7w_wcB
[14:55] <arjunnaha> Or is a mast better and sturdy?
[14:55] <adamgreig> that would probably mount a mast
[14:56] <adamgreig> like, you really want a mast if you possibly can, the extra height helps a lot
[14:56] <adamgreig> clearing the house roof and all that
[14:56] <adamgreig> most TV antennas are designed to sit on top of a mast because they're not tall, so it's the normal thing
[14:56] <adamgreig> you might find you can mount the x50 on that kit, hard to say just from looking at the photo but it might well work
[14:56] <adamgreig> http://www.screwfix.com/p/1-8m-aerial-mast/26477
[14:57] <daveake> Might need a bit more clearance to avoid hitting the guttering
[14:58] <arjunnaha> So using the wall mount to mount the aerial mount and then attach the X50
[14:59] <fsphil> putting it up on a pole on the chimney would be ideal, if you have one
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[15:06] <gonzo__> if you have a long pole, mount the wall brackets as far apart as possible. or the leverage can be quite high, even on a colinear
[15:06] <gonzo__> if you can use two brackets spaced at 3-4ft
[15:06] <SIbot> In real units: 4 ft = 1.22 m
[15:07] <gonzo__> oh sod off!
[15:07] <craag> 3ft
[15:07] <SIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[15:07] <craag> so 0.91-1.22m ;)
[15:07] <gonzo__> rather than a single bracket with 18" ish spacing, it helps spread the load
[15:07] <craag> 1.5ft
[15:07] <SIbot> In real units: 5 ft = 1.52 m
[15:07] <craag> damn
[15:07] <gonzo__> I prefer to just hold fingers up and say, about that
[15:08] <gonzo__> though to sibot I may just hold up a single
[15:08] <adamgreig> haha
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[16:59] <dbrooke> arjunnaha: this is my antenna mounting as an example http://album.dbrooke.me.uk/easter_2010/tn/img_3345.jpg.html
[17:01] <dbrooke> ref your picture, you want to turn the U-bolts round the other side so they clamp the pole to the cast mounts
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[17:13] <arjunnaha> dbrooke: I had given the antenna to facilities to mount temporarily and they gave it back to me today. God knows how they mounted it but it worked lol. I turned around the U-bolts after taking the photo, so all is good :)
[17:13] <arjunnaha> I am for my launch this week, going to clamp it to a 5m extension pole and stick it out the window
[17:14] <arjunnaha> Btw, is that an Diamond X50?
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[17:16] <Vaizki> Looks like X200
[17:17] <Vaizki> at least on my phone screen
[17:18] <Vaizki> or X300.. Bigger than X50 anyway
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[17:30] <dbrooke> arjunnaha: it's a Moonraker SQBM500N
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[17:31] <arjunnaha> Also (sorry), what mast is that?
[17:31] <AndyEsser> Well... no more tracking for me until next month :(
[17:31] Action: AndyEsser might have snapped his USB RTL SDR dongle...
[17:32] <Vaizki> snapped?
[17:33] <Vaizki> as in physically broke by force?
[17:33] <AndyEsser> yes
[17:33] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> what dongle?
[17:33] <AndyEsser> RG213 isn't light... so it had bent the dongle sticking out of my PC
[17:34] <AndyEsser> I went to adjust it and well erm... whoops :P
[17:34] <fsphil> oh just the usb plug
[17:34] <AndyEsser> note to self... get USB extension to reduce strain
[17:34] <Ian_> As in Kak handed :) Cosycave will have you one by the end of the week. You really can't afford £17
[17:34] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yea
[17:34] <fsphil> those can be replaced pretty easy
[17:34] <dbrooke> arjunnaha: don't know about the mast as I just used the one which had previously had the TV antenna on it
[17:34] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yea I know, but I was looking for an excuse to buy an Airspy anyway :P
[17:34] <fsphil> lol
[17:34] <fsphil> sneaky
[17:34] <arjunnaha> Ah ok, thanks dbrooke
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[17:34] <AndyEsser> and buying the Airspy... or two... will reduce my Tax Liability so it's win win :)
[17:34] <Ian_> Sneaky fsphil, the guy isn't even married!
[17:35] <Vaizki> more like desperate than sneaky :)
[17:35] <Ian_> As long as you don't forget to have enough to pay the tax man in the first place.
[17:35] <AndyEsser> Ian_: details
[17:35] <AndyEsser> :P
[17:35] <Ian_> Vaizki, nail on the head!
[17:36] <AndyEsser> Ian_: I can always reduce my corp tax liability to zero :)
[17:36] <Ian_> details of Cosycave?
[17:36] <dbrooke> arjunnaha: at previous house I had a 6m long thick wall aluminium pole but that was on much sturdier mounts and also had a few more antennas, I'll see if I can find a photo ...
[17:36] Action: AndyEsser goes off to Rigol website...
[17:36] <Ian_> UT Bankrupt
[17:36] <AndyEsser> ?
[17:37] <Ian_> Under Training
[17:37] <AndyEsser> Ah
[17:37] <AndyEsser> not at all - just need to not have net profit :)
[17:37] <arjunnaha> dbrooke: You've got a lot easier job to mount as you can stand on your garage; I have to get a house ladder to do jobs.
[17:38] <Ian_> I'm aware of the rules, but sometimes they ask for money up front which can be awkward if you haven't made proper provision.
[17:38] <dbrooke> I can't easily find a picture showing the antennas but you can see the mounts on http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/10310002.jpg
[17:39] <AndyEsser> Ian_: true - thankfully my accountant manages that :P
[17:39] <AndyEsser> ha
[17:39] <Ian_> As long as you can fit it into your business, it's good to have the taxman working for you.
[17:39] <daveake> Accountants manage that by sending you a bill that cancels out your profits :/
[17:39] <dbrooke> arjunnaha: yes, current setup is readily accessible, I had to borrow a long ladder to work on the previous one
[17:40] <AndyEsser> daveake: hehe
[17:40] <arjunnaha> dbrooke: I have to find a nice and sturdy mount otherwise the neighbours will kill me!
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[17:41] <Ian_> :) best to keep on top of it and learn all about the rules yourself and write things off to 'scrap' or 'no residual value' after about four years.
[17:41] <Ian_> You have the scrap bit all sorted by the sound of it :)
[17:41] <AndyEsser> hehe
[17:42] <AndyEsser> well the electronics stuff also helps if I ever have an IR-35 issue, if I can show R&D into science and products and stuff it'll help my defence
[17:42] <AndyEsser> if it every comes to that
[17:42] <AndyEsser> so... 3d printers, scopes, PSUs and SDRs are on the menu :)
[17:42] <dbrooke> arjunnaha: yes, the previous one was above a shared access road and near to neighbours so was deliberately over engineered, the current one can only fall on my property
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[17:45] <Ian_> My W300 colinear currently sits atop five swaged poles. I always keep a swaged pole with the antenna, swapping in a new section/antenna if I want to put up a new one.
[17:46] <AndyEsser> Ian_: damn it... more things to put on the list :P
[17:47] <Ian_> It sits against a house extension which is about 10ft tall and the bottom of the 'mast' sits on the ground and has dug in an inch or two. Secured with a bit of washing line to the vine eye securing the \
[17:47] <SIbot> In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m
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[17:47] <Ian_> washing line pulley at around 7ft (tnx Sibot).
[17:47] <SIbot> In real units: 7 ft = 2.13 m
[17:48] <Ian_> It has been there for some fifteen years with an occasional change of string and heels over like a corvett in the wind.
[17:49] <arjunnaha> I'm debating whether to have a 3m on the house on a 6m on the ground. The 6m on the ground seems a lot safer when concreted in the ground.
[17:50] <Ian_> I use a 10ft plank with guides (channel) to support just over two swaged sections.
[17:50] <SIbot> In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m
[17:51] <Ian_> for putting it up. I attach a couple of sections and put them onto the board and lift them near vertically to put in new swaged sections. There are few forces when it's all vertical.
[17:51] <Ian_> Let it get too much out of kilter and you may as well be rod fishing a whale.
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[17:52] <Ian_> When it's all up, I secure it with my bit of string.
[17:52] <dbrooke> I need to get some more poles, I have 3 on the house at the moment but have plans for 3 more. Hopefully the neighbours won't notice.
[17:52] <arjunnaha> The 3m is cheaper but the 6m safer. Hmmmm.
[17:53] <Ian_> The upgrade is two 10ft poles and a connector with an option for swaged sections and a bit of precautionary guying.
[17:53] <SIbot> In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m
[17:54] <Ian_> I have to do it single handed, so arjunnaha you can probably enlist a parent.
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[17:55] <Ian_> As you will have found out 'Facilities' don't know all (most) of the answers even if they have the permissions to do things you can't. Do your own research and have them agree to do things in a specified manner - it'll save a lot of disappointment in the long run.
[17:56] <Ian_> A white coat doesn't necessarily make a guy a rocket scientist as edmoore will attest.
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[17:57] <Ian_> . . . finished . . . :)
[17:57] <arjunnaha> I'm not going to have it at school anymore, too much of a hassle and I can't track other flights at weekends. I am trying to go for a long-term approach to mounting it at home
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[17:58] <Ian_> Are you having someone bring you to the Conference?
[17:58] <arjunnaha> As they say in the geography dept, make it "sustainable"
[17:58] <Ian_> I recycle my string
[17:58] <arjunnaha> I am going, I might just catch the train to Cambridge
[17:58] <Ian_> I was thinking parent due to your age.
[17:59] <arjunnaha> They can come, I don't know what UKHAS policy is on this
[17:59] <Ian_> Nothing like educating a parent who might get the bug and spring for some of your HAB expenses.
[17:59] <Upu> how old are you ?
[17:59] <arjunnaha> 14
[18:00] <Ian_> Check with . . . Upu will do
[18:00] <Upu> yeah you'll need to bring a parent or guardian sorry
[18:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-1
[18:00] <arjunnaha> Oh well, they can learn how to chase and recover ;)
[18:00] <Ian_> Fortunately it's very inexpensive this year, so maybe a parent can drive you
[18:00] <Ian_> Dead right.
[18:01] <arjunnaha> Might actually help when they drive me to landing sites lol
[18:02] <Ian_> Nothing like a bit of parental HAB appreciation. It might also help them appreciate what you are learning.
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[18:02] <arjunnaha> Was going to do it with school but so much paperwork and consent forms and council permission. *sigh*
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[18:04] <Ian_> I suspect that AndyEsser doesn't love paperwork . . . most of us in fact.
[18:07] <Ian_> Anyone have an opinion on the SDRPlay? http://www.sdrplay.com/
[18:07] <dbrooke> while I was looking for an already uploaded photo of the previous antenna mounts I found this on the site; it might be a prototpe portable chase setup http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/portable.jpg
[18:08] <Ian_> That's certainly a balance approach to the problem :)
[18:09] <dbrooke> I think dave's taken it to a higher level with his LoRa in a handbag solution
[18:10] Action: Ian_ jealous
[18:11] Action: Ian_ long way to go
[18:12] <daveake> ha nice
[18:13] Action: Ian_ everything stops for tea . . . yum
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[18:21] <AndyEsser> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-60573362.html
[18:21] <AndyEsser> Image 17... HAB launching territory :)
[18:22] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: where are you based?
[18:22] <AndyEsser> Ian_: paperwork? hmm? I hve people for that :P
[18:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> bet you get really excellent ADSL at the location above!
[18:29] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-M: heh
[18:29] <AndyEsser> Price to pay :P
[18:29] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Ian_: I use my sdr play soley for hf work tho it is likley to work well on vhf and uhf but I for vhf / uhf I use an airspy mini (for wx balloon work I have to use rtl sdr as no one work well for that)
[18:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :)
[18:29] Action: AndyEsser wonders if he can justify the company paying for a leased line to the property...
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[18:30] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Ian_: so its more what you want to listen for, if its vhf and up go for the airspy, if u have any interest in hf go for the sdrplay
[18:30] <arjunnaha> AndyEsser: Reading, Berkshire
[18:31] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: I'm so sorry...
[18:31] <arjunnaha> ?
[18:31] <AndyEsser> no-one should have to experience Reading
[18:31] <AndyEsser> :P
[18:31] <arjunnaha> What's the problem with Reading
[18:32] <AndyEsser> actually it's not that bad, at least it's not Swindon
[18:32] <AndyEsser> :)
[18:32] <AndyEsser> arjunnaha: for the record, I'm just joking around
[18:32] <arjunnaha> Lol, ok
[18:32] <arjunnaha> Reading is good for tech stuff
[18:32] Action: AndyEsser is not very funny
[18:32] <Vaizki> swindon has the roundabout
[18:32] <craag> arjunnaha: AndyEsser lives in the north, his insults do not mean a thing ;)
[18:33] <AndyEsser> craag: I am a Southerner though
[18:33] <arjunnaha> Sorry could you say that again?
[18:33] <arjunnaha> With less of the accent
[18:34] <craag> lol
[18:34] <AndyEsser> Barth, Grarss... see I'm southern!
[18:34] <arjunnaha> You're not southern if you've never experienced South West Trains
[18:35] <AndyEsser> I have, I have more of an issue with Southern, that I spent 10 years travelling on
[18:35] <AndyEsser> craag: I even spent 2 years around your neck of the woods!
[18:35] <arjunnaha> They've cancelled more than 400 of their services per day
[18:35] <AndyEsser> but suspect they'll still claim "95% arrived on time"
[18:38] <arjunnaha> I thinks May's new transport minister is trying to bail them out
[18:44] <dbrooke> AndyEsser: You could rent my old house. It's less than 20 mins from Elsworth and has a pre-installed dual band colinear and CAT-5 to most rooms (which probably confuses the usual tenants).
[18:45] <AndyEsser> dbrooke: if I were still living in Cambridge, that'd be awesome
[18:47] <dbrooke> I note from street view that it now has a satellite dish. They probably wondered why such a long pole didn't provide any useful (to them) antennas.
[18:47] <AndyEsser> heh
[18:47] <AndyEsser> "Surely with all this I should be able to get Sky Sports?!"
[18:48] <daveake> Out on a chase once with yagi, I got "That's a lot of kit just to watch telly"
[18:48] <AndyEsser> haha
[18:49] <AndyEsser> "I'm huting HABbits"
[18:49] <AndyEsser> hunting*
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[18:55] <Ian_> SA6BSS-Mike|2 VHF/UHF mainly, the criteria is that a Raspberry Pi3 has to be able to hack it without driving me mental as I jump through hoops and get nowhere fast.
[18:55] <Ian_> I guess that the Airspy and the SDRPlay are both in the same sort of price bracket, so no problem there.
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[19:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CAEN_CP1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CAEN_CP1
[19:23] <fsphil> airspy is better supported in linux
[19:23] <fsphil> sdrplay's linux support is a binary-only blob
[19:26] <craag> we had a go getting an sdrplay to work at the gilwell scouts thing a week or so ago
[19:26] <craag> took one of the guys about 2 hours
[19:26] <craag> on windows
[19:26] <fsphil> :/
[19:27] <craag> I swapped it out for the airspy, downloaded sdr#, and voila
[19:27] <craag> if there was an intermediate step then it wasn't significant enough to remember
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[19:38] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> have a look here, might be better linux support now https://www.hb9fxq.ch/index.php/2016/07/14/gr-osmosdr-updated-to-use-sdrplay-api-v-1-95/
[19:38] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> for sdpay
[19:41] <fsphil> that still needs the closed source binary
[19:42] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> lol, 2 hours for geting sdrplay to work on wind :) its installing two exe files and then what takes time is to decide what of all sdr programs to use :)
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[19:45] <Vaizki> yea took me like 10mins also :O
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[19:46] <craag> It was a win7 box that was last booted this time last year, so being a bit out of date might have had something to do with it
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[19:48] <daveake> it's probably downloading 5GB of Windows 10 goodness :/
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[19:55] <craag> hah must have been - started prompting us later
[19:57] <mfa298> give it a week or so and it'll presumably stop prompting
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[20:03] <dbrooke> The only Windows system I have is an old laptop which I use for updating satnav etc. It's XP so I was surprised to find that whan I shut it down last night it wanted to install an update. It took so long I ended up going to bed before it finished.
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[22:12] <amell> daveake: did you mean to include your own gateway.txt in the lora-gateway git?
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[22:35] <daveake> No, I did remove it but clearly forgot to exclude it in .gitignore
[22:37] <amell> daveake: ok. got my lora gw set up now. Will be unattended, so hope it locks on at 434.450
[22:39] <daveake> It will
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[22:40] <daveake> It's 62kHz bandwidth so modules only need to be within approx 15kHz of each other
[22:40] <amell> Ah, so theres more leeway on that mode
[22:40] <amell> makes sense
[22:40] <daveake> It's proportional to the bandwidth
[22:40] <amell> i just hope i have my antenna connected to the right port.
[22:42] <daveake> Yeah that would help
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[22:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ki6ppd-7_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ki6ppd-7_chase
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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