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[01:58] <DL7AD> ping fsphil
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[04:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-15 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-15
[04:23] <DL7AD> good morning
[04:24] <DL1SGP> good morning sven
[04:37] <DL7AD> hi felix :)
[04:38] <DL7AD> are you already working?
[04:38] <DL7AD> early shift
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[05:33] <Vaizki> woke up at 5am to oversee a customer system upgrade.. :(
[05:34] <Vaizki> Didn't work out, had to roll back
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[05:40] <x-f> a
[05:40] <x-f> morning
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[06:39] <arjunnaha> Is there any other body/company apart from the CAA, that issue NOTAM's?
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[06:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MGMB after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MGMB
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[07:41] <daveake> arjunnaha: Not in the UK, no. It has to be a single body to coordinate everything
[07:41] <arjunnaha> Do you think an exemption previously granted for the same payload/location will be extended date wise?
[07:42] <arjunnaha> In time for Tuesday next week
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[07:43] <daveake> We've had this convo before. It's unlikely to happen till Monday.
[07:43] <swaledale> Morning. MGMB flight is up.
[07:43] <daveake> As you've had permission given for that site before, all they have to do is check for conflicting notams (e.g. airshows)
[07:44] <arjunnaha> Well hopefully it should come through
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[07:48] <pb0ahx_> !flights
[07:48] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx_: Current flights: 03MGMB 10(7902), 03WDF1 10(0e36), 03ISCA Pi Launch 10(97ea), 03PICO-26 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0cf1), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[07:48] <RocketBoy> Ive had a couple of occasions recently where the NOTAM was issued (i.e. posted on the NOTAM site) but no confirming email sent - so check the NOTAMs on the NATS site or notaminfo skydeamon etc.
[07:48] <pb0ahx_> !dial 7902
[07:48] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx_: Latest dials for 03MGMB 10(7902): none
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[07:50] <pb0ahx_> good morning all
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[07:52] <PE1ANS> mornig,, Herman,, Rob..
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[07:53] <swaledale> morning
[07:53] <PE1ANS> Also qrv on HABNL..
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[08:34] <SM0ULC-Reb> Inventive launchmethod used by Dave for his S-14 launch. :) http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s14.html
[08:35] <PE1ANS> !flights
[08:35] <SpacenearUS> 03PE1ANS: Current flights: 03MGMB 10(7902), 03WDF1 10(0e36), 03ISCA Pi Launch 10(97ea), 03PICO-26 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0cf1), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
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[08:37] <RocketBoy> SM0ULC-Reb: Nice
[08:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03C3PO_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=C3PO_chase
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[08:52] <fsphil> DL7AD: don't you sleep? :)
[08:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flights
[08:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Current flights: 03MGMB 10(7902), 03WDF1 10(0e36), 03ISCA Pi Launch 10(97ea), 03PICO-26 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0cf1), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[08:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !dial 7902
[08:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Latest dials for 03MGMB 10(7902): 03434.25415 MHz, 434.25385 MHz, 434.253457 MHz, 434.25 MHz
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[09:01] <jakeio> How significant is the disadvantage of using a chip antenna over using the Sarantel?
[09:01] <craag> jakeio: One thing the sarantel does a lot better than the chip antenna is dealing with interference.
[09:02] <craag> Eg. if you have a gopro or rpi cam in the vicinity
[09:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> and u can fit it ouside the box
[09:03] <craag> I built a pi payload with the chip antenna breakout and it *sometimes* just wouldn't get lock
[09:03] <jakeio> OK. I'm just thinking, for my next payload I'm sending up the a 434 payload that I've used before and an 868 payload that I'm testing, I was considering whether to bother with the Sarantel for the 868 as my 434 has a Sarantel GPS already.
[09:03] <DL7AD> fsphil: nope
[09:03] <craag> Is this on your own pcb, or using anthony's boards?
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[09:04] <jakeio> I'll be using my own.
[09:04] <craag> :)
[09:04] <craag> Give the chip antenna a go and you can compare them (assuming you're not running it near a gopro or such)
[09:04] <cm13g09> craag: ping
[09:04] <craag> pay attention to the datasheet though
[09:05] <craag> it's quite sensitive to correct dimensions from groundplane and such
[09:05] <craag> cm13g09: poong
[09:06] <jakeio> Right, I've decided to put the Sarantel on the 868 payload as there'll be a PiCam nearby there, and the chip on the 434 running just pure RTTY and nothing else (no imaging).
[09:06] <craag> :)
[09:07] <daveake> The chip antenna saves some weight, but unless it's a pico flight or an altitude attempt, go for the Sarantel
[09:08] <daveake> then "getting a lock" won't be a worry
[09:08] <craag> ^^ this is probably wiser
[09:08] <jakeio> Well, I am aiming for about 37-40km, but that little bit of weight shouldn't be a concern for that.
[09:09] <craag> I just need an excuse to do my gps-dance before each flight
[09:09] <daveake> I sent 800g to 41km the other day, so don't worry about a few grams :)
[09:09] <daveake> Is that the same as the Lassen dance craag ?
[09:10] <RocketBoy> stuart robinsons comments on 1/4 wave and 3/4 wace antennas as a replacement for chip antennas is rather interesting http://www.loratracker.uk
[09:10] <daveake> The "but this usually takes 2 minutes to get a lock how come it needs 15 minutes when I'm about to fly it?"
[09:10] <craag> It's a derivative daveake ;)
[09:10] <daveake> ha :)
[09:10] <craag> yep always the way
[09:10] <craag> that rpi+chip antenna had no problem repeatedly at my house
[09:11] <craag> but would *not* lock at the launchsite
[09:11] <craag> GILWELL24 was the same payload but swapped out chip for sarantel
[09:12] <jakeio> That was you was it craag?
[09:12] <craag> it was
[09:12] <jakeio> My brother and father were on a scouting trip there when that launched.
[09:13] <craag> ah :)
[09:13] <daveake> A couple of times I've removed a chip antenna (when it got detuned by nearby batteries) and put a 1/4 wave on. That sorted it.
[09:14] <craag> Hmm ok
[09:14] <craag> might try that with my susf board
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[09:15] <craag> RocketBoy: interesting, his results are quite negative of the chip antenna - but it is sensitive to pcb layout so there's the possibility he hasn't got that quite right.
[09:16] <RocketBoy> oh quite possibly
[09:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> or go for a wire antenna, just fit a 45mm wire in its place
[09:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S13 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S13
[09:18] <jakeio> Just ordered two HopeRF RFM95W-868S2 modules, very excited :P
[09:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY1
[09:31] <swaledale> MGMB on its way down then
[09:32] <swaledale> lets hope not too close a landing to the M6 :)
[09:34] <swaledale> early burst looks like quite a different landing spot then, more like M65 now
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[09:51] <pb0ahx_> go PISKY1 flying today ??
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[09:54] <daveake> No just setting up some trackers for my collection
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[09:55] <pb0ahx_> MGMB team mni tnx was a good flight for me
[09:55] <pb0ahx_> tnx dave
[10:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-14 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-14
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[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M6GJO_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M6GJO_chase
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[11:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10RS-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10RS-11
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[11:56] <pb0ahx> upu in the house
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[12:07] <craag> !track GILWELL24
[12:07] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GILWELL24
[12:27] <Upu> hello
[12:35] <daveake> Looks like an easy recovery for MGMB ... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnKDelTXEAAyoze.jpg:large
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just noticed that when you click the "SSDV" button now available on the tracker, it actually opens TWO windows in Firefox ?
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY2
[12:47] <daveake> Stereo imagery :p
[12:48] <Upu> missed that launch
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah ha you could be right!
[12:48] <daveake> No I was joking
[12:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :)
[12:49] <daveake> Though I have played around with that
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The streetview scene from the landing spot is about 10m out ;-)
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[13:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY3
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[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NAILBRUSH after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAILBRUSH
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[14:18] <Upu> whats the highest flight we've had with a camera ?
[14:19] <daveake> number10's was, but Steve beat it last year I believe
[14:19] <daveake> Steve's had an 808 or similar whereas number10's was a Canon
[14:21] <number10> steve was the one he did for the global balloon challenge thing
[14:22] <daveake> yes
[14:23] <number10> the one I did was the first time we used (courtesy of daveake) hydrogen I think.. and that was a lardy 750g payload
[14:24] <number10> quite a windy day, and steve at the time said I dont think we'll break any records today
[14:24] <daveake> Impressive. My flight last week was 41.3km with the same weight (though filled for 850g - a tracker got removed)
[14:24] <daveake> Yeah what does Steve know? :p
[14:24] <number10> :)
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[14:25] <number10> I think you have a video of the launch on youtube daveake
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[14:27] <daveake> ah yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM-29qVwGns
[14:28] <daveake> blimey that was a long run!
[14:29] <number10> ... for a fat bloke
[14:30] <number10> we had those warning labels for H2... my one wasnt far off the balloon, I am surprised that didnt pop it..
[14:31] <number10> infact it didnt pop when I wanted it to.. floated for a bit
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[14:33] <edmoore> blimey number10
[14:33] <edmoore> that's a well-earned bacon buttie
[14:35] <number10> would have been a lot quicker if I had not have had one for breakfast
[14:36] <daveake> don't you believe it
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[14:37] <number10> yea... you'll probably correct :)
[14:37] <number10> you are
[14:38] <michal_f_away> does this balloon looks underfilled to you? I ask because for two flight I did I underfilled mine and they looked similar
[14:38] <number10> which one?
[14:38] <michal_f_away> form youtube URL
[14:38] <number10> a little
[14:39] <number10> I think it was planned for 5m/s
[14:39] <daveake> They do look underfilled anyway if it's a large balloon and small payload
[14:39] <michal_f_away> getting the fill right is hard. at least for me
[14:39] <number10> it is hard when its that windy
[14:39] <michal_f_away> it is !
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[14:40] <number10> also if you use one of daveake's leaky milk bottles that can make it tricky :p
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[14:41] <michal_f_away> I used plastic water bottle :)
[14:41] <michal_f_away> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_8ipK0TpiuhbFYyQm1XYl9mZlk&usp=sharing this is from my first launch. Wind was really strong at moments
[14:41] <number10> yea that looks windy
[14:42] <Upu> ta
[14:43] <michal_f_away> and it edned up 3 m/s ascend rate
[14:45] <number10> would be nice to be able to measure the volume of fill
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[14:48] <michal_f_away> aren't there any flow measure devices? smth to put in between hose and fillig pipe
[14:48] <edmoore> lots
[14:48] <edmoore> just have to make one or buy one
[14:48] <michal_f_away> I remember searching briefly, but I didn't find anything nice
[14:49] <michal_f_away> anybody tried that for HABbing?
[14:49] <gonzo_> filling to a free lift force is cheaper and less prone to error
[14:49] <michal_f_away> if you fill indoord - then yes
[14:49] <michal_f_away> indoors*
[14:51] <gonzo_> you could probably do a small fill, measuring the vol. then just extrapolate for the fill time.
[14:51] <gonzo_> there is so little back pressure on a balloon, that the reg is pretty much feeding to atmosphere
[14:51] <number10> does the pressure remain constant though?
[14:52] <gonzo_> I can't think of any factors that would greatly affect the vol rate for a fixed reg setting?
[14:52] <number10> filling indoors has its hazrds too.. when taking the ballon from inside where there is no wind, its possible (and happened) to snag the balloon
[14:53] <michal_f_away> I need a big tent then :)
[14:53] <michal_f_away> circus tent maybe
[14:54] <arjunnaha> Upu: Battery holder arrived. Thanks :)
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[14:54] <gonzo_> if you were to do a small balloon fill (100gm?) indoors. And measure the size and fill time. That would give you a rate
[14:54] <Upu> nps
[14:54] <gonzo_> then just extrapolate.
[14:56] <craag> with a decent regulator that might be true gonzo_, but I wouldn't rely on it
[14:56] <edmoore> for a hab i would measure the pressure on either side of an orifice
[14:56] <edmoore> there are lookup tables in the standards and online about how to size the orifice and pipework before and after and so calculate a mass flow from a pressure difference
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[15:11] <Ian_> That milk bottle sounds more attractive by the second :)
[15:13] <edmoore> yeah, stunned silence
[15:13] <edmoore> oh well
[15:13] <edmoore> it works well for gases
[15:13] <edmoore> what we use on the rocket rigs
[15:13] <Ian_> I'm trying to imagine you with a milk bottle on the end of your rocket rig :)
[15:14] <Ian_> imagination too fertile
[15:18] <Laurenceb> hmf brainfade
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[15:18] <Laurenceb> ! LaTeX Error: File `graphicx.sty' not found.
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[15:18] <Laurenceb> suggestions for whats wrong v welcome
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[15:27] <edmoore> Laurenceb: has the installation of tex on that machine worked for you before?
[15:27] <edmoore> or is it a new machine/install?
[15:27] <Laurenceb> its worked in the past on same machine
[15:27] <edmoore> you've definitely spelled graphicx correctly in the file itself?
[15:27] <Laurenceb> I could be forgetting something, havent tried this particular build for a year
[15:27] <edmoore> not graphixc or something which is my habit
[15:27] <Laurenceb> its copypastered code I ran last year
[15:28] <Laurenceb> ! LaTeX Error: File `harvard.sty' not found.
[15:28] <Laurenceb> this is very weird
[15:28] <edmoore> it sounds like it might have a problems finding your latex path
[15:29] <Laurenceb> ah I have multiple versions on latex
[15:29] <edmoore> or that
[15:29] <Laurenceb> maybe that is part of the issue
[15:31] <Laurenceb> perhaps TEXINPUTS?
[15:32] Action: Laurenceb is utterly confused
[15:33] <edmoore> i have never used texinputs
[15:33] <edmoore> what OS are you on?
[15:33] <edmoore> can you just do a clean reinstall of texlive or something?
[15:34] <Laurenceb> ubuntu linux
[15:34] <Laurenceb> its an old version and texlive was manually installed
[15:34] <edmoore> i'd try and unmanually install it and use the package manager
[15:35] <RocketBoy> michal_f_away: now thats what I call a windy launch!
[15:35] <Laurenceb> yeah looks like something has gone wrong
[15:40] <michal_f_away> RocketBoy: it was my first launch ever and a last day in a year I could do it. So this was kind of 'to be or not to be'
[15:43] <adamgreig> my favourite kind of launch
[15:44] <RocketBoy> Ive done launches close to that - but I think yours wins!
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[15:51] <michal_f_away> later I'll try to dig up short clip from launch
[15:53] <edmoore> RocketBoy: this one was reasonably windy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzxU7501bws
[15:53] <edmoore> i think that's me you and james
[15:53] <edmoore> and filed on a potato
[15:53] <edmoore> filmed*
[15:54] <edmoore> and my astra!
[15:54] <edmoore> that was a good car
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[16:11] <RocketBoy> edmoore: yeah i remember that - that was a good jumper ;-)
[16:13] <Laurenceb> nice
[16:13] <number10> RocketBoy: did I see on flickr you are building a neck lift gauge
[16:13] <Laurenceb> just installed fresh LaTex, same issues :-/
[16:14] <RocketBoy> number10: yep I built ine some time ago - I don;t tend to use it unless Im getting OCD about fill measurement
[16:16] <number10> is that what you have been using to get accurate float altitude recently RocketBoy
[16:16] <RocketBoy> nope - thats just been done manually
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[16:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BUZZ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BUZZ
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[16:55] <DL7AD> fsphil: have a look to the habhub page. the images are split again.
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[17:02] <Ian_> Yes, I see 35 35 top and bottom. What happened to 33?
[17:02] <Ian_> This has to be a conundrum for fsphil :)
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[17:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034036678310_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4036678310_chase
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034036679864_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4036679864_chase
[17:20] <mfa298> I think the ssdv parser assumes it's a new image after a period of time has passed with no data on an image id
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[17:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[17:31] <daveake> mfa298: Yes it does
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[17:32] <daveake> So if you restart a tracker within 5 mins (or whatever the timeout is) of the last packet in image 1, the next image 1 will merge with the first
[17:32] <daveake> I do the same when building local images in my lora gateway
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[17:36] <michal_f> daveake, have you ever launched PI with both radiometrix and LoRa at the same time? Is it possible ?
[17:37] <daveake> many times
[17:37] <michal_f> they operate on the same antenna ? (with intervals perhaps)
[17:38] <daveake> no different antennae
[17:38] <michal_f> do you think it's possible to emit from the same antenna? with intervals...
[17:41] <daveake> No you'd lose signal and risk killing the lora
[17:41] <daveake> Not designed to have 10mW stuffed up its input
[17:42] <michal_f> so two antennas then... I suppose it's handy if LoRa is 868Mhz version, bacause of smaller second antenna ?
[17:42] <daveake> You could probably get a lora module to do rtty if you're happy to time-share
[17:42] <mfa298> daveake: I suspect DL7AD is having the oposite issue, no updates for the timeout (I had a feeling it might be 5 minutes as well) leading to two half images
[17:43] <daveake> ah right
[17:43] <PE2BZ> Good evening all.
[17:44] <PE2BZ> daveake would you know if the lora modules have input protection ? I seem to have blewn one up with 25 Watt @433.100 MHz on 3 meter antenna distance
[17:44] <PE2BZ> Good for the economy ;-)
[17:44] <daveake> I think you just answered your own question :/
[17:45] <DL7AD> mfa298: ah yes. that could explain it.
[17:45] <PE2BZ> :-( Now I have to do some calculation if 100 mW @ 50 ohm fits in 2 antiparallel diodes.
[17:47] <DL7AD> mfa298: i have a tnc running collecting the data. once my tracker stops transmitting pictures while there is not enough energy. but the image packets will get sent. but they stay inside the pipe of my receiver while there is not enough data to flush it to next next process (on my computer). but since there will be also sent normal aprs packets, the pipe will eventually flush (after 5min).
[17:50] <michal_f> Having LoRa send RTTY doesn't sound like an easy task.
[17:55] <DL1SGP> good day all
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[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S13 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S13
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[18:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WDF1 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WDF1
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[19:02] <___BEN___> http://imgur.com/Wdhxhjg <-- How do I make the Time, Latitude and Longitude boxes fill in?
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[19:09] <PE2BZ> daveake any hints on the ¨could not open DS18B20 file¨ message on the tracker ? I try to get someone to TX but this message repeats
[19:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03USDC-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=USDC-2
[19:12] <PE2BZ> Dus raspistill werkt ook...
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[19:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03USDC-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=USDC-1
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[19:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STABILOTRON-II - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STABILOTRON-II
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[19:41] <___BEN___> How can I use DL-FLDIGI offline and still have it update to google earth e.g. when I am chasing the payload and may loose internet
[19:42] <Ian_> How are you going to connect to google earth when you have no internet?
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[19:43] <___BEN___> https://support.google.com/earth/answer/21423?hl=en
[19:44] <___BEN___> or other mapping software.
[19:45] <Ian_> By making your track info, lat and long into KML script if you are able to run that along with the GE data
[19:47] <___BEN___> I am relatively inexperienced, could you point me to a way to generate a KML script from data parsed from DL-fldigi
[19:48] <daveake> PE2BZ DS18B20 error means you don't have one, or that onewire support is disable in the OS
[19:50] <Ian_> I have no experience in the area __BEN__
[19:51] <PE2BZ> daveake thanks. Remote debugging has started ;-)
[19:51] <___BEN___> Anyone know what frequency WDF1 is transmitting on
[19:52] <daveake> PE2BZ Is this PITS or other h/w ?
[19:53] <PE2BZ> LoRa h/w
[19:53] <daveake> Well you don't have a DS18B20 then
[19:53] <PE2BZ> I myself do neither, but I do not see that message at my PI. That made me wondering
[19:54] <daveake> It matters not.
[19:55] <PE2BZ> Thanks. I have enabled 1 wire in raspi-config now but my remote but have to reboot
[19:56] <PE2BZ> ... has to reboot :-)
[19:58] <daveake> Why? If you don't have a DS18B20 it won't work.
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[20:00] <PE2BZ> Because the OM on the remote location was thinking that messages like ¨could not open¨ where errors.
[20:01] <daveake> It still won't be able to open the ds18b20 file, because there won't be one
[20:01] <daveake> Edit tracker.c remove or comment-out the bit where it loads the DS18B20 thread, save, run make, job jobbed.
[20:03] <PE2BZ> Could it be that UPU ´s GPS board also has a DS18B20 ? I do not get the could not open message and my only different hardware is that I use the https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_64&product_id=81 which he does not have
[20:04] <daveake> no
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[20:06] <pcal> Hello, I have flight planned for the 16th July and I wondered if anyone could tell me how i get my flight document approved? Thanks
[20:07] <PE2BZ> Then I am stopping to wonder and get myself a drink. Thanks and have a good evening Dave !
[20:08] <daveake> pcal You need to /join #habhub and then post the flight document ID
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[20:09] <pcal> How do I join Dave?
[20:09] <daveake> type /join #habhub
[20:09] <daveake> I did tell you :)
[20:12] <pcal> do you mean the google group hab hub?
[20:13] <daveake> In your IRC client (the thing you are using right now) type in, on a new line, /join #habhub
[20:13] <pcal> oh sorry. ok i'll try that!
[20:15] <pcal> Done that Dave. Thanks. What happens now?
[20:15] <daveake> Cool. Now you just need an admin to approve it for you
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[20:16] <pcal> And how will I know when they do?
[20:16] <daveake> You'll see their actions in that channel
[20:17] <daveake> If you leave and return later, you can post the ID again, and it will tell you if it's approved or not
[20:18] <pcal> Great, thanks for your help
[20:19] <fsphil> DL7AD: yeah there's a +10 minute gap between packets there. the first image was closed, the next packet created a new one
[20:20] <pcal> It's been approved. Thanks Dave.
[20:21] <fsphil> DL7AD: are you expecting longer delays than that?
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[20:29] <DL7AD> fsphil: no
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[20:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03test - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=test
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[21:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[21:19] <Babs> Evening everyone - on the habhub tracker, left hand side where all of the trackers are listed. The arrow which I used to use to open up the tracker data doesn't seem to be working . Has it changed?
[21:19] <Babs> when i hover over the arrow it rotates, but nothing seems to happen when i click on it
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[21:36] <Babs> worked it out - searched in the search box for the payload et voila
[22:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Hasn't changed, you can still click the arrows and it will expand and show the data and highlight the flight
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[23:51] <DoYouKnow> can you receive anything at 60 GHz in free space?
[23:52] <DoYouKnow> there's near complete absorption by oxygen
[23:52] <DoYouKnow> but can you see thermal bands attenuated by oxygen
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[23:55] <russss> there are wireless data links at 60GHz
[23:56] <russss> 802.11ad aka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Gigabit_Alliance
[23:57] <russss> I believe those bands are used quite a lot now for wireless CCTV and microcell backhaul
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