highaltitude.log.20160711

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[00:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W1PCY_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W1PCY_chase
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[03:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-11
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[04:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-15 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-15
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[04:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S11
[05:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
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[05:33] <jrrc> Does anyone have experience with adafruit ultimate gps? It somehow seems to lock out at 10km. Thanks!
[05:35] <Upu> 10km is a bit low
[05:35] <Upu> thought it was 27km
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[05:35] <Upu> use UBlox sorry :/
[05:36] <jrrc> yeah, ublox worked fine, but switched to adafruit because it seemed nicer on the power side
[05:36] <jrrc> a bad decision in retrospect
[05:39] <Upu> eh ? no way lol
[05:39] <Upu> ublox can get down to 5mA
[05:39] <Upu> or do you mean 5V tolerant ?
[05:40] <jrrc> power consumption
[05:40] <jrrc> Upu: yep, think so, but the one we got for a particular flight was somehow sketchy and drew more power than expected
[05:40] <jrrc> or at least that's what we suspected from telemetry
[05:40] <jrrc> might not actually be true, but we switched anyway
[05:41] <jrrc> actually I'll do more testing in that regard - I like ublox
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[08:00] <edmoore> fsphil: google calendar just did a popup to remind me it's the battle of the boyne tomorrow
[08:01] <edmoore> i must remember to bring my sword
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[09:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ForestHAB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ForestHAB
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[09:23] <pb0ahx> GM all
[09:23] <craag> morning
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[09:29] <pb0ahx> any flight today ???
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[09:29] <pb0ahx> i wil testing new preamp
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[09:34] <SM0ULC-Reb> ForestHAB, they aim for the wooods?
[09:45] <Vaizki> at least up in the nordics don't have to aim
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[09:47] <Vaizki> it's amazing how much of the woods in the UK have been cut down since the 1600's
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[09:48] <arjunnaha> ping Upu
[09:48] <Vaizki> although I have a feeling woodland surface area is on the rise there as well
[09:48] <Upu> hi arjunnaha
[09:48] <arjunnaha> I kind of broke my battery holder for pits
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[09:48] <arjunnaha> Where can I get a replacement
[09:48] <Upu> heh
[09:48] <Upu> "kinda" ? :)
[09:49] <Upu> just the plastic 4 x AA holder ?
[09:49] <arjunnaha> I was playing with a 9V battery ;)
[09:49] <Upu> holder or the plug ?
[09:49] <arjunnaha> Yes, just the plastic holder
[09:49] <Vaizki> you're going to gaffa tape the batteries into the holder anyway, how broken is it?
[09:49] <arjunnaha> The plastic is intact but the contacts are broken af
[09:49] <Upu> 85, RG6 ?
[09:49] <arjunnaha> Yes
[09:50] <Upu> I'll ship one out today
[09:50] <arjunnaha> Can I pay for that?
[09:50] <Upu> you can but I'm not going to let you
[09:50] <Vaizki> pay a charity
[09:50] <arjunnaha> cheers :)
[09:50] <arjunnaha> I'll donate some to Cancer Research UK
[09:51] <Upu> as you wish :)
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[10:00] <SM0ULC-Reb> Vaizki: yes. in sweden there are old laws against cutting down woods without replanting the area
[10:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S13 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S13
[10:02] <Vaizki> Finland is 72% forest so we protect some ancient woodlands etc but not all of it..
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[10:02] <Vaizki> hmm sweden not far behind at 68% or so :)
[10:03] <SM0ULC-Reb> Vaizki: also the 1700 researching for better stowes that led to the masonry heaters
[10:03] <SM0ULC-Reb> Vaizki: is acutally not even allowed to leave wood alone. you have to cut it down when it's fully grown
[10:04] <Vaizki> Britain.. 13% .. and was at it's lowest at 5% or so a century ago
[10:04] <Vaizki> all those wars mean lots of timber
[10:05] <Vaizki> and yes we have forest stewardship laws too, to cut down mature forests and not let them "rot standing"
[10:05] <Vaizki> of course sometimes we just burn parts of the forest to renew it
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[10:07] <Vaizki> anyway, I'm going to pack a rubber dinghy and an axe if I ever get that HAB flying.. :)
[10:09] <daey> SM0ULC-Reb: i guess they are afraid of another robin hood hiding in dark forests :p
[10:15] <gonzo__> it's the road protestors that hide in trees now
[10:15] <gonzo__> wonder if they will have legends written about them one day
[10:15] <SM0ULC-Reb> daey: :)
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[10:57] <swaledale> !flights
[10:57] <SpacenearUS> 03swaledale: Current flights: 03PICO-26 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0cf1), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
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[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ISCAPI - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ISCAPI
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M10RS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10RS-11
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03X0 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WDF1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WDF1
[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5RZP-11
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[12:52] <SA6BSS-Mike|3> nice, S14 is on its way up
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[13:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9GEG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9GEG-11
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[14:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Iscapi_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Iscapi_chase
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[15:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PIZERO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PIZERO
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[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHAS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHAS
[15:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MORPH after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MORPH
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[16:21] <DL1SGP> hi all
[16:22] <Vaizki> 'lo
[16:24] <SM0ULC-Reb> hello
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[16:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MGMB after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MGMB
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[17:52] <wmkdoidge> Hi
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[18:00] <wmkdoidge> Hi Samme
[18:00] <Laurenceb> anyone here tried resetting the i2c address on ublox8?
[18:00] <samme> Hey
[18:01] <samme> Hey. how can I ensure that the battery supplies the necessary voltage? I had chemical handwarmer in mind...any suggestions?
[18:02] <wmkdoidge> What are you sending up? Which batteries are you using?
[18:02] <samme> Polymer Lithium Ion Battery (Lipo)
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[18:03] <wmkdoidge> I'm not an expert but lithium batteries are supposed to be the best option. Not sure if you need a hand warmer though.
[18:04] <samme> wmkdoidge: so you mean the battery can sustain the temperature without any covering?
[18:04] <SA6BSS-Mike|3> samme: what alt and what duratition?
[18:05] <SA6BSS-Mike|3> standard up down?
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[18:05] <SA6BSS-Mike|3> how well are thay going to be boxed up, more electronics in the box, pi?
[18:05] <samme> SA6BSS-Mike|3: standard up down? :/
[18:05] <wmkdoidge> Dave Akerman suggested Energiser Ultimate Lithium batteries to me which are capable of sustaining the cold. Duracell on the other hand cut out I believe
[18:06] <samme> Arduino with approximately 6 sensors and radio tracker
[18:06] <SA6BSS-Mike|3> samme: for what are u going to use the batterie?
[18:06] <mattbrejza> suggested batteries are lithuim primary AA cells (ie non-rechargable)
[18:06] <samme> to power the Arduino UNO
[18:07] <mattbrejza> handwarmers probably wont actually work as they need oxygen from teh air
[18:07] <wmkdoidge> Hi Mike, I'm planning on launching ISCAPI on Wednesday. How can I get it put on the calendar?
[18:07] <AndyEsser> samme: have you put the battery in the freezer and measured temp & voltage overtime to see how it performs?
[18:07] <mattbrejza> lipo are generally fine if kept well insulated, but be aware the capacity will fall
[18:07] <mattbrejza> a lipo supplying a decent current will keep itself warm though
[18:08] <samme> AndyEsser: haven't bought yet, wanted to confirm :)
[18:08] <samme> mattbrejza: define insulated for this scenario? hahaha
[18:09] <samme> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/batteries/lipo-battery-1000mah-3v7
[18:09] <Vaizki> alkaline batterys freeze. literally.
[18:09] <mattbrejza> well inside the box
[18:09] <AndyEsser> discussing car purchases with a friend of mine, this is what he imagines my car will look like with the HAB/Rocket stuff I want to do
[18:09] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/hh6Kv2G
[18:10] <SA6BSS-Mike|3> wmkdoidge: u make a flightdoc at http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/ and paste the doc nr on #habhub
[18:10] <SM0ULC-Reb> mattbrejza: thse don't use oxygen
[18:10] <SM0ULC-Reb> mattbrejza: http://eartheasy.com/redo-reusable-hand-warmer
[18:10] <daveake> Duracell alkaline are specced for -20, so should be OK in an insulated box esp if there's a Pi or camera in there
[18:10] <daveake> That said, they're heavy so use Lithiums
[18:10] <mattbrejza> ok i should have said some do
[18:10] <Vaizki> AndyEsser: reality http://www.panzerfux.de/panzerfux_e/prodpic/1-35-Libian-Rocket-Pickup-Upgrade-Set-for-Meng-kit-KFS-35002_b_7.JPG
[18:11] <wmkdoidge> I made a flightdoc a while back, where do I find #habhub?
[18:11] <Vaizki> type /join #habhub ...
[18:11] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: haha
[18:12] <wmkdoidge> Thanks
[18:13] <samme> got it, thanks everyone :) so lithium it is (Y)
[18:15] <Vaizki> AndyEsser: not your cup of tea? well https://tedsaid.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/redbullcar.jpg
[18:15] <Vaizki> get felix to sign it
[18:15] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: last time I saw one of those cars it came with two very attractive women handing me free cans of red bull non-stop...
[18:15] <AndyEsser> is that an extra I have to pay for?
[18:16] <Vaizki> they were just trying to avoid talking to you
[18:16] <AndyEsser> http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=9fc9132d38e84ea0977b70ea62d69c63
[18:16] <AndyEsser> This is what I'm looking at
[18:16] <AndyEsser> imagine it won't look so clean after a few HAB recoveries
[18:16] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: ouch dude!
[18:16] <Vaizki> :)
[18:16] <AndyEsser> I am so very tired :(
[18:16] <Vaizki> why would anyone want that kind of car.. :O
[18:16] <AndyEsser> need sleep but agreed to 1/2 day overtime every night this week
[18:16] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: I've always had a soft spot for them
[18:16] <Vaizki> think of all the snow in the bed...
[18:17] <Vaizki> oh wait .. you're not in Finland ;)
[18:17] <AndyEsser> in reality if I could get a half decent Landie I would
[18:17] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: yea... Snow isn't that big an issue
[18:17] <AndyEsser> and also... get a Tarp
[18:17] <Vaizki> I have a soccer mom suv
[18:17] <Vaizki> no need for tarps
[18:17] <AndyEsser> You sexy minx
[18:17] <AndyEsser> haha
[18:18] <edmoore> gyroc development this eve at westcott
[18:18] <edmoore> https://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/27630987374/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/
[18:18] <AndyEsser> o0o0o
[18:19] <AndyEsser> What's Gyroc?
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[18:19] <Laurenceb> ooh very nice
[18:20] <edmoore> hovering rocket
[18:20] <Laurenceb> when does it get strapped to a balloon?
[18:20] <edmoore> never
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[18:20] <Laurenceb> boo
[18:20] Nick change: SA6BSS-Mike|3 -> SA6BSS-Mike
[18:20] <Laurenceb> what is the fuel?
[18:21] <edmoore> n2o + ipa
[18:21] <Laurenceb> v nice
[18:21] <AndyEsser> What a waste of beer...
[18:21] <edmoore> ho
[18:21] <AndyEsser> I imagine I am not the first person to make that joke
[18:22] <Laurenceb> is this with the ablative engine?
[18:22] <AndyEsser> and IPA is nasty... so would much rather it was going towards something cool like a hovering rocket
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[18:23] <Laurenceb> are those composite overwrapped tanks?
[18:23] <edmoore> Laurenceb: yes
[18:23] <edmoore> to both
[18:23] <Laurenceb> nice, looking very pro
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[19:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MIKEL-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-3
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[20:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MIKEL-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-4
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[20:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MIKEL-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-2
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[20:57] <___BEN___> So, recently got myself an NTX2B module, I built a tuned 1/4 wavelength ground plain for it. Then tested it's range by walking it around a relatively built up area. Got around 158.292m and am worried considering this thing would need in excess of 30,000m if used in a HAB flight. Is my module broken or is this normal concidering a non-line of sight environment.
[21:00] <craag> ___BEN___: That's normal in a non-line of sight environment :)
[21:00] <___BEN___> good good.
[21:00] <RocketBoy> what were you reciving it with?
[21:01] <___BEN___> A FT-897d
[21:01] <adamgreig> you measured 158.292m to the millimetre?
[21:01] <daveake> "about"
[21:01] <daveake> er, "around". close :)
[21:01] <RocketBoy> gott be a feet conversion
[21:01] <___BEN___> sorry, it was a cut and paste from https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm
[21:01] <AndyEsser> 519.3307ft
[21:01] <SIbot1> In real units: 3307 ft = 1008 m
[21:02] <adamgreig> good work AndyEsser
[21:02] <AndyEsser> err
[21:02] <craag> hah
[21:02] <AndyEsser> either google or SIbot1 are lying
[21:02] <craag> it doesn't do decimal feet
[21:02] <adamgreig> look at what it said :P
[21:02] <daveake> hah
[21:02] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: shush... :P
[21:02] <craag> 519ft
[21:02] <SIbot1> In real units: 519 ft = 158 m
[21:02] <daveake> it missed the point
[21:02] <AndyEsser> Dev Database is down, I'm going to bed to get some much needed sleep
[21:02] <AndyEsser> adios amigos
[21:03] <craag> gn AndyEsser
[21:03] <RocketBoy> nights
[21:04] <mfa298> well imperial is not decimal by definition so use of a decimal point presumably shouldn't be allowed :p
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[21:06] <RocketBoy> darn Ill have to ditch my digital inch calipers
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[21:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MIKEL-5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MIKEL-5
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[21:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WDF1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WDF1
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[23:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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