highaltitude.log.20160706

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[02:22] <Ian_> Grasshopper reflections
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[08:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flights
[08:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Current flights: 03MORPH 10(80ca), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[08:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight pico-25
[08:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight PICO-25
[08:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:11] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight 0b32
[08:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Flight 10(0b32): 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(1 payload) - Launch date 0307/06/2016 from 10(50.26969,18.65087)
[08:11] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Wow another long distant swimmer GL2M!
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[08:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NAILBRUSH after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAILBRUSH
[08:57] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Look out Swindon!
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[09:09] <daveake> Hence the wait for predictions to go north
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[09:09] <daveake> If I was dropping something on Swindon, it'd be heavy and without parachute :)
[09:09] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Time for a coffee then!
[09:11] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes I know the feeling ;-)
[09:13] <pb0ahx> gm all
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[09:14] <pb0ahx> NAILBRUSH is mode 2 ??
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[09:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> pb0ahx, yes https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/4W6CFy6BnJ0/vPCx6HO2CAAJ
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[09:20] <pb0ahx> Geoff-G8DHE-M, tnx i go trying receiving lora today
[09:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Good luck, its usually better snr than RTTY
[09:22] <pb0ahx> i hope
[09:22] <pb0ahx> first koffie now
[09:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes that's my priority!
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHAS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHAS
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MORPH - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MORPH
[09:25] <daveake> Yes mode 2 for nailbrush, so no tuning worries
[09:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> How far North do you want to be Dave ?
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[09:37] <fsphil> you never want to go full north
[09:40] <pb0ahx> tnx info dave
[09:40] <AndyEsser> fsphil: igotthatreference.gif
[09:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Not going to get much LoRa thru that! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/MORPH_20160706/index.php?ind=2
[09:49] <fsphil> what is that
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[09:50] <fsphil> looks quite fancy for ISM devices
[09:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> no real idea, just appeared a few moments ago, it comes/goes during the day like most ISM
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[10:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah action @ launch site!
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[10:04] <PE2BZ_work> Good morning all. Good flight wishes for today !
[10:08] <pb0ahx> gm Ben
[10:13] <PE2BZ_work> pb0ahx gm Herman. Ben aan het werk ;-) RX op remote standbye
[10:14] <pb0ahx> here also raddy and running
[10:15] <pb0ahx> i hope received any signaal on lora first time for me
[10:29] <PE1ANS> Hoi Ben, Herman,, setup done, waiting for launch,, hope for firt lora rx to Herman...
[10:31] <pb0ahx> PE1ANS, yes i hope it wil working here
[10:32] <pb0ahx> jan u are rcv also lora ??
[10:35] <PE1ANS> TNX Herman,, I wil try to receive RTTY , LORA 433 and LORA 869 at the same time only no good ant for 869....
[10:36] <PE1ANS> Herman,, Ben,,, ben ook QRV op HABNL...
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[10:39] <pb0ahx> PE1ANS, in skype
[10:39] <pb0ahx> ?
[10:41] <PE1ANS> Nee er is ook een versie van de nederlanstalige ICR web chat https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=habnl
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[10:48] <Taucher> Hi everyone - any info what's up with the habhub hourly predictions? ... seems like some places are missing
[10:50] <Taucher> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/uccle/ works while http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/stuttgart/ (and others) went missing
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[10:56] <adamgreig> Taucher: probably only missing while being generated, should be back soon
[10:57] <Taucher> thx - seems to be gone for some time now
[11:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Taucher, Its working now
[11:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BALLON-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLON-11
[11:17] <Taucher> thx, stuttgart is back *yay* :)
[11:17] <Taucher> ... let's see when the rest comes back too :)
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[11:18] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlX0WVb8uX8 - on the topic of hydrogen safety.
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[11:21] <kokey> there's a 3 month contract going in Guildford for a developer that does python, django, node.js and react.js
[11:21] <kokey> in the 'space industry'
[11:21] <adamgreig> gods
[11:21] <adamgreig> is it SSTL?
[11:21] <adamgreig> I mean it's that or Surrey Uni I guess
[11:22] <adamgreig> unless by "space industry" they mean "company that would like to be in the space industry" :P
[11:22] <russss> heh
[11:22] <kokey> or perhaps they do parking space and office space
[11:23] <lz1dev> adamgreig: i put my money on the last option
[11:23] <lz1dev> startup thinking they are the next spacex
[11:23] <adamgreig> not sure I'd bet against established space companies using node.js either though
[11:24] <kokey> 'project working out of the companies Guildford offices with the successful candidate being responsible in Designing new features, coding, testing & programming new features for the organisations key leading software product.'
[11:24] <adamgreig> what's that twitter joke
[11:24] <lz1dev> you wouldn't build a sat with node ?
[11:24] <adamgreig> housten, we have a problem
[11:24] <adamgreig> what's up
[11:24] <adamgreig> undefined is not a function
[11:24] <lz1dev> topkek
[11:24] <kokey> Designing in capitals, must be special
[11:25] <kokey> oh word, it's summer, is there a conference coming up?
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[11:25] <lz1dev> Rockstar Design Guru
[11:25] <daveake> Up. Had to leave the pi behind as it got broked
[11:25] <adamgreig> https://twitter.com/vikasgorur/status/744204277745254400
[11:25] <russss> it's not on the SSTL jobs site
[11:26] <adamgreig> doesn't sound like a uni position either
[11:26] <russss> so, who knows
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> daveake, which ones are flying then ?
[11:26] <adamgreig> probably some random startup in the STC then
[11:26] <kokey> the spec doesn't match me that well so I'm not expecting the recruiter to give me a ring about it, or else I would fish some more details out
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[11:31] <Taucher> @hourly - all ok now
[11:39] <Ian_> kokey https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2016
[11:39] <PE2BZ_work> daveake no pi means no lora ?
[11:40] <kokey> Ian_: thanks!
[11:40] <daveake> the backup is lora
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE_> So just Nailbrush then ?
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[11:42] <amell> No Ssdv? Daveake having a good day?
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[11:46] <fsphil> faulty Pi
[11:47] <daveake> Got dropped
[11:48] <amell> Bugger. Ah well.
[11:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5RZP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5RZP-11
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[12:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2EAT-15 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-15
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[12:06] <Upu> single tracker only ?
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[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Someone dropped the Pie, sounds like they didn't lick it up either :-(
[12:09] <mfa298> ed's stair test failed
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[12:13] <PE1ANS> !lights
[12:14] <PE1ANS> !flights
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> 03PE1ANS: Current flights: 03MORPH 10(80ca), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[12:14] <PE1ANS> !dial
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> 03PE1ANS: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:19] <PE2BZ_work> !dial morph
[12:19] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ_work: Latest dials for 03MORPH 10(80ca): none
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mine_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=mine_chase
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[12:21] <PA0RPA> On what frequency is MURPH with RTTY ? Nothing to hear on 434.250 here in Holland.
[12:23] <Upu> not in the air
[12:24] <PA0RPA> That's a pitty then for us, nothing to follow on good old RTTY.....
[12:32] <pb0ahx> ye3sssssssssss first lora signaal received from NAILBRUSH
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[12:35] <whiteg6> !flights
[12:35] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Current flights: 03MORPH 10(80ca), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
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[12:51] <whiteg6> !dial MORPH
[12:51] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Latest dials for 03MORPH 10(80ca): none
[12:52] <whiteg6> !dial PICO-25
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flight PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flight 0b32
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Flight 10(0b32): 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(1 payload) - Launch date 0307/06/2016 from 10(50.26969,18.65087)
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[13:03] <PH3V> Yes! First LoRa HAB packet ever received :-)
[13:03] <pb0ahx> PH3V, congrats
[13:04] <pb0ahx> me to my first lora signal received and decoded
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[13:08] <pjm> PH3V, yeah same for me re LoRA! cool init, certainly the way forward compared to that TTY stuff
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[13:27] <g8fjg> considering the 3 qrm signals punching through the LoRa sig here I'm amazed anything gets decoded,,only 13 bad out of 1094 packets received
[13:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Intrigued by discrepancy between decoded LoRa packets and Habitat recorded packets Telem Packets = 970 as against G8DHE-rpi1 346
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> seems like 2/3 are going missing between decode and Habitat ?
[13:30] <adamgreig> maybe duplicates?
[13:30] <g8fjg> yep my internet keeps dropping hence 3 sign ins ,,when I notice!
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> may need to check CRC after decode
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nope these are 970 as decoded by the gateway software each at 6second intervals
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> sequential numbers as well, differing CRC's of course
[13:32] <g8fjg> screen tells me only 13 bad crc,,,or is there more to it
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> could be errors within the LoRa causing the text CRC to be in error but seems unlikely
[13:32] <mattbrejza> should logtail show each upload?
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> should do
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> really need to compare logs and see what logtail says
[13:38] <dbrooke> Geoff-G8DHE_: I see the same, 1082 decodes but only 357 recorded. I suspect the current version gateway uses the same document ID for everyone so only the first uploader is recorded
[13:39] <g8fjg> just checked telemetry stats , only shows 500 odd up loaded for me. I see the habitat flash in the gateway window, but rarly see my call on the map
[13:40] <dbrooke> I'm not exactly sure how document IDs work but IIRC the gateway generates a hash based on the received string which will be the same for all uploaders
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Thats what caught my attention, it might be because there are now more of us, in the first flights it was only me and dave!
[13:40] <adamgreig> yea but if someone's received 1000 packets and habitat has only recorded 200 packets for the flight, something's gone wrong
[13:40] <g8fjg> any way its a big signal today snr 13 best ,,,,,,rssi -70
[13:41] <dbrooke> the original gateway used a different (legacy) interface to habitat
[13:41] <Jerry> !dial nailbrush
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> 03Jerry: Latest dials for 03NAILBRUSH 10(80ca): none
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE_> but the contents of the json are different from all of us as callsigns are sent not doc id's
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[13:42] <davechase> afternoon
[13:42] <Jerry> does anyone know the exact frequency of nailbrush, is it exactly 434.450... I am right on the edge of the blue line and looking for the signal
[13:42] <davechase> altitude woo on this hy1600
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> it will be within the capture range of LoRa 434.452 on my chip but the oscillators are not locked
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> oh yes 40.8Km
[13:43] <Jerry> ok
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE_> burst
[13:47] <Laurenceb> anyone here familiar with dxf files?
[13:48] Action: Laurenceb has issues with laser cutting supplier
[13:48] <Laurenceb> "the dxf file seems to have pads rather than lines. The laser cutter needs lines"
[13:48] <pjm> Jerry, 434.45343
[13:48] <Laurenceb> I don't even understand the problem :-/
[13:48] <g8fjg> I keep getting this..well a few times ? curl easy peform failed: time out was reached
[13:49] <dbrooke> Geoff-G8DHE_: the doc_id is in the URL, what I don't know is if a duplicate will be dropped due to that before the server even looks at the json content
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> ah right
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> surely that only identifies to Couch what format to look up ?
[13:50] <davechase> My internet is too slow for the map ... where roughly is the landing prediction?
[13:50] <Jerry> pjs thank you, i am located near limoges in France, there was only about 10 minutes with me inside the blue line, i was being very hopeful but thought i might see something on the WJST waterfall.. oh well... fun anyway.
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Stoke Row between Didcot and Reading
[13:51] <davechase> ta
[13:51] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb: the laser needs to cut along lines
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> now gone back towards Didcot itself
[13:51] <mattbrejza> you specify the path rather than the area you dont wan
[13:51] <mattbrejza> t
[13:52] <Laurenceb> mattbrejza: so dxf has an area "object type" as well as line?
[13:52] <Laurenceb> ok
[13:52] <mattbrejza> dunno
[13:52] <Laurenceb> hmf
[13:52] <mattbrejza> but in the drawing program use lines not area
[13:52] <mattbrejza> and set lines to zero width
[13:52] <Laurenceb> well its autogenerated from gerber
[13:53] <Laurenceb> as the supplier doesnt know how to use gerber
[13:53] <mattbrejza> you might want to import into a drawing program and sort it out
[13:53] <Laurenceb> time to find a new supplier as I don't trust them
[13:53] <mattbrejza> when lasercutting stencils i tend to reduce the sizes to counter the 0.2mm laser dot too
[13:53] <Laurenceb> yeah but they are so n00bish I'm not sure I can trust them
[13:54] <Laurenceb> exactly, I think I'll need to account for laser width
[13:54] <Laurenceb> this is a nightmare, time to ask for refund
[13:54] <mattbrejza> also i tend to engrave out small areas rather than cut out
[13:54] <Laurenceb> be easier to set up my own laser cutter from scratch lol
[13:54] <mattbrejza> less melty edges
[13:55] <adamgreig> Laurenceb: why not just use smtstencil.co.uk
[13:56] <adamgreig> converting gerber to dxf is such a pig
[13:56] <adamgreig> i recommend using kicad and it just exports dxf directly
[13:56] <adamgreig> otherwise I did convert gerber stencil to dxf a few times
[13:56] <adamgreig> the eagle dxf exporter exports pads in dxf and it's useless and i can't cut them
[13:56] <adamgreig> so i've had exactly this problem
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[13:56] <adamgreig> kicad dxf export is much better
[13:56] <adamgreig> so you can take the eagle gerber, load it in kicad gerbview, export as a kicad pcb file, then open the pcb file, and plot the dxf
[13:57] <adamgreig> but easier is to just use kicad to start with ;)
[13:57] <Laurenceb> yeah hobbytronics is slightly cheaper
[13:57] <adamgreig> hmm
[13:57] <Laurenceb> but I don't trust them not to screw it up
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[13:57] <adamgreig> wonder if their stencils are good
[13:58] <adamgreig> smtstencil is notably better than I can do myself, but I'm fairly confident it's all down to my film being bad ebay junk
[13:58] <Laurenceb> back to smtstencil, they are pretty good quality and reliable
[13:58] <adamgreig> and reallynot that expensive
[13:58] <Laurenceb> yeah I spoke to smtstencil guy on ##electronics
[13:58] <Laurenceb> managed to get the same film for lasercutting work projects
[13:58] <adamgreig> interesting
[13:58] <adamgreig> any idea what/where/?
[13:59] <adamgreig> I really want to get my hands on a stock of it
[13:59] <Laurenceb> here http://www.polyesterconverters.com/
[13:59] <mattbrejza> http://uk.farnell.com/cif/dy30/mylar-for-jet-printer-a4-10pcs/dp/1783514 works pretty well
[14:00] <adamgreig> the mylar I bought off ebay "works pretty well"
[14:00] <adamgreig> but it's notably less good
[14:00] <adamgreig> also 76 micron is not ideal, I want 125 really
[14:00] <Laurenceb> http://www.polyesterconverters.com/pcl_specs/dupont/mylarpetfilms.htm
[14:00] <adamgreig> I guess they use Mylar AS?
[14:01] <Laurenceb> IIRC yes
[14:01] <adamgreig> thanks
[14:01] <mattbrejza> doesnt look like the place you can order a few sheets
[14:01] <Laurenceb> it is
[14:01] <Laurenceb> just email from uni or company address and ask for samples
[14:01] <mattbrejza> oh
[14:01] <adamgreig> lol
[14:02] <Laurenceb> and it'll be free too
[14:02] <Laurenceb> or ring them, they are v helpful
[14:02] <adamgreig> sadly not yet in the uni suppliers list
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[14:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
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[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> 1.5Km height, Thames & Severn Way BlueHouse Bridge
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE_> less than 1Km landing at Siddington, Cirencester, Gloucestershire GL7 6QA
[14:22] <pjm> extreamly impressed with the LoRA modem!
[14:22] <pjm> all flights need to use this instead of TTY
[14:22] <mattbrejza> that chute looks somewhat tangled...
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[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE_> daveake, appears to be out of range
[14:24] <mattbrejza> it narrowly avoided what looks like a water farm...
[14:25] <Geoff-G8DHE_> junction of Spratsgate Lane and Clarks Lane - GL7 6EP
[14:26] <adamgreig> mattbrejza: a water farm? where they farm water?
[14:26] <adamgreig> i always wondered where water came from...
[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Now you know - tell everyone in the Pub they will be astounded ;-)
[14:26] <mattbrejza> well its lots of 'fields' of water
[14:29] <Ian_> Good spotting and reporting, keeps the comms budget lean and mean. Looks like a fairly simple recovery if it's not hiding in the corn/rape.
[14:30] <Ian_> Interested in the MORPI/5 MORPI/6 differences, two rx different antennas?
[14:30] <pb0ahx> NAILBRUSH team mni tnx for my first lora receiving from hab ballon
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Oh he is going country lane route
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> junction of Spratsgate Lane and Clarks Lane - GL7 6EP is where you need to be
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah he is updating again
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE_> turn left
[14:34] <mfa298> pjm: there are many who would disagree, lora has the issue of being a proprietry system so you can only ue it if you buy a suitable module.
[14:34] <pjm> yep
[14:34] <pjm> no different from AFSK being similar, you have to 'buy' a module (receiver) to do that too
[14:34] <pjm> or GPS etc
[14:35] <adamgreig> no
[14:35] <gonzo__> I was secptical that the little onchip RX would be any good, but seems to be
[14:35] <pjm> ditto
[14:35] <pjm> performance is truely excellent
[14:36] <mfa298> pjm: there's nothing to stop you making your own afsk tx/rx, same for gps rx. There are patents which will hinder you making your own lora tx/rx
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE_> If we made our own aerials, SDR Rx, might agree, but given the price of the chip ......
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> turn left
[14:37] <pjm> agree - plus there isnt anything stopping someone reverse engineering the OTA proto and writing a sdr demod
[14:37] <pjm> or spend 5$ on the module
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[14:38] <adamgreig> the lora one is poorly documented, hard to implement, patent encumbered
[14:38] <adamgreig> there's a lot stopping you doing those things
[14:38] <adamgreig> like 1) having to reverse engineer it
[14:39] <adamgreig> aprs, gps, etc, is all publically documented and open
[14:39] <adamgreig> it's no surprise the $5 chip has a good rx, why shouldn't it?
[14:39] <pjm> this is true but the point is its all doable if you really wanted to roll your own demod
[14:40] <adamgreig> modern ham radios are obscene considering the bandwidth
[14:40] <adamgreig> it's not very doable
[14:40] <adamgreig> and you couldn't sell it, for example
[14:40] <adamgreig> or sell your own trackers based on it or whatever
[14:40] <pjm> its basically the entire 'dstar is proprietry' argument over again, otherwise known as progress
[14:40] <adamgreig> not convinced progress has to look like that
[14:41] <pjm> i guess similar software would be the DSD
[14:41] <pjm> which can 'decode' IMBE / AMBE
[14:41] <pjm> and this is open source compatible stuff
[14:41] <adamgreig> i think we can do better for our hab stuff
[14:41] <adamgreig> best thing lora could do is encourage someone to come up with a better open source thing, in my opinion
[14:41] <pjm> could be yep
[14:41] <adamgreig> but whatever, people will fly it, it obviously works
[14:41] <adamgreig> not saying don't use it
[14:42] <adamgreig> just it would be a big shame if the whole community swapped to only using lora, I think
[14:42] <adamgreig> we'd lose a bit aspect of the whole thing
[14:42] <pjm> and its certainly better than pre-WW2 TTY
[14:42] <adamgreig> RTTY is totally awful, sure, I agree, it's so terrible
[14:42] <gonzo__> in ww2 they ysed OOK
[14:43] <gonzo__> for rtty
[14:43] <gonzo__> fsk is at least 50's
[14:43] <adamgreig> really?
[14:43] <gonzo__> pretty sure
[14:44] <pjm> even sitor-B would be an improvement
[14:44] <adamgreig> pretty sure 1922's first RTTY was 2FSK
[14:45] <adamgreig> wikipedia says it's always 2FSK and has been in use since the 20s
[14:45] <Ian_> Pre war TTY. Back in the late 60's early 70's 850Hz shift was standard, narrow shift became 170Hz but it has improved since then with the stability of tx and rx.
[14:47] <gonzo__> I stand corrected, and in the corner looking embarrased
[14:47] <adamgreig> I'm sad mattbrejza's turbohab didn't take off, so to speak :P
[14:47] <daveake> Payload recovered :)
[14:47] <Ian_> 10wpm printing telegraph ccts existed (rare) in the 1890's London Norway.
[14:47] <Ian_> 100wpm :)
[14:48] <adamgreig> 100wpm, corr
[14:48] <mattbrejza> yea not even i fly that...
[14:48] <adamgreig> could their operators even type that fast?
[14:48] <Ian_> paper tape
[14:48] <adamgreig> presumably someone had to key in information on one or the other end
[14:49] <Ian_> Tape apes type up the messages off line and whang them down the expensive circuit. Doubtless serving many local centres
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> daveake, Excellent
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> looked an easy grab from the field ?
[14:50] <Ian_> Recovered?
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup
[14:50] <Ian_> Congrats to recovery team and remote support. Well done.
[14:59] <daveake> Yes very easy.
[15:00] <daveake> Lora handheld direction-finder worked a treat
[15:02] <Ian_> Interested in the MORPI/5 MORPI/6 differences, two rx different antennas?
[15:03] <Ian_> I was actually hoping for a final update to show where the package landed, but I guess it's sometimes better not to.
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[15:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[15:22] <Ian_> Congrats daveake on the page 58 article in Linux Format LXF213 August 2016 re Pi bursts balloon record. (41837m)
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[15:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-11
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[15:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KE0GEO-12 after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-12
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[16:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car track_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car%20track_chase
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[17:22] <daveake> Ian_ /5 is an attic aerial; /6 outdoors (lower but clearer view)
[17:28] <daveake> Sorry we weren't upload telemetry from the car ... the Pi refused to connect to the mifi for some reason
[17:29] <daveake> +ing
[17:30] <daveake> We had a last rx at 100m AGL from a few miles away
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[17:45] <Ian_> Thanks, wasn't sure if you were uploading from the bat mobile :)
[17:45] <daveake> Not this time, no. I'll get that sorted soon.
[17:46] <Ian_> Largely due to the alt that you managed to copy down to. Thought that you had to have a rx nearer than the homestead
[17:46] <daveake> The /6 gateway connects to wifi every time, so dunno why the car one doesn't
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[17:47] <Ian_> Impressive as always
[17:47] <daveake> yeah that's quite an impressive last packet from the home gateway
[17:47] <daveake> That was on my unextended clark mast
[17:47] <Ian_> So eight foot at most?
[17:48] <daveake> Well it's a 3m aerial so that helps :)_
[17:48] <daveake> But the top of the mast is barely above ground level (it's on a retaining wall
[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XABEN0 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XABEN0
[17:49] <daveake> So the base of the aerial is on the lower ground
[17:49] <Ian_> A good few elements on it then . . .
[17:49] <daveake> this one http://www.radioworld.co.uk/w-300_watson_2m_70cm_base_station_vertical_antenna
[17:50] <daveake> on ~1m of ali tube, into the mast
[17:50] <Ian_> Ha ha, I was thinking yagi. My W300 must need a polish!
[17:52] <pjm> mfa298, btw check this out https://myriadrf.org/blog/lora-modem-limesdr/ SDR implementation of LoRA modem
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[18:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VAC - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VAC
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[18:31] <PE2BZ> Hi all. How was the reception of the NAILBRUSH on LoRa mode 2 overall ? I have left the LoRa tracker on and I have received only 8 packets, at about 32 km and nothing more.
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[18:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> PE2BZ, Its down now you can check stats http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[18:49] <PE2BZ> Hi Geoff, thanks for info. My LoRa has received 8 packets, from which I see now only 2 are uploaded. Usually I get LoRa between 14 km and up till down to 14 km at that distance. I somehow expected more packets. (And yes, I disabled my own SSDV TXing LoRa )
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[19:37] <edmoore> Kalman has died adamgreig
[19:38] <SM0ULC-Reb> oh
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[20:01] <michemto> Hey guys! ID: b85cdff9b47d6be01e03376542e56e10 is waiting for confirmation. Thanks :)
[20:02] <Upu> Can you post that in #habhub ?
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[20:16] <michemto> y sure
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[20:39] <michemto> So just for your information too...
[20:40] <michemto> Anyone near Estonia - living in Finland/Russian West side/Latvia/Lithuania who have their radios ready... Get our data on friday 08.07
[20:40] <michemto> Flight name: VAC Frequency: 434.450 MHz RTTY, 50 baud rate, 600Hz shift (testing has proven this may vary a little), 7 bits per symbol (7-ASCII), without parity, one stop-bit. Contact: +372 56765248
[20:40] <michemto> On Friday, 08.07.2016, a high altitude balloon with callsign VAC will be launched from Estonia. The balloon is scheduled to be launched at 14:30 EEST (11:30 UTC) from Pühajärve The exact time of launch may change depending on the wind direction, the estimated time window for this will be around 14:30-15:30 local time).
[20:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 035 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
[20:43] <mfa298> michemto: if you havn't already it's probably worth an email to the mailing list and possibly also look for local Amateur Radio clubs
[20:44] <michemto> :O What mailinglist you mean right now?
[20:45] <michemto> Estonian amateurs have been notified
[20:49] <mfa298> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[20:50] <mfa298> whilst is says uk in the name, there are people from various bits of Europe as well
[20:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> PE2BZ, Yes we have noticed a significant difference between what Lora-gateway decodes and what habitat records
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[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> which is getting worse with more stations appearing, we think some "duplicate" effect is occuring or maybe the text telelmetry CRC is being damaged so that Habitat rejects not sure yet.
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[21:07] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE_: Just catching up with the scrollback ... suspect that as suggested it's a common ID being used
[21:08] <daveake> I'll have a check in a couple of days or so (bit busy with actual work before then)
[21:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK yes just checked its not the CRC being damaged, but only about 1/3 of reports getting thru. just been comparing habitat log with lora log.
[21:09] <daveake> no it's not going to be crc
[21:10] <daveake> I need sleep; chat later this week about it
[21:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yup it was just a possibility that the lora correction might not be right! but long shot! Have a good rest!
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[22:40] <samme> Hey there. does the 28 days notice include the weekends?
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[23:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:15] <Ian_> Not sure, but if in doubt assume that it's working days. At least until you find out more you won't be caught out and disappointed as a result.
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