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[01:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ6DYP-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ6DYP-12
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[07:59] <AndyEsser> morning
[08:00] <fsphil> GOOD MORNING
[08:00] <fsphil> EVERYTHING IS GOOD
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[08:00] <x-f> RELAX, HE'S GOOD
[08:01] <gonzo__> a bit of a crier baby
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[08:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BK-Ostvest2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BK-Ostvest2
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[09:01] <SM0ULC-Reb> morrn
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[09:37] <AndyEsser> "Many thanks to Andy E for locating the landed payload"
[09:38] <AndyEsser> that's one way to put a positive spin on it :P
[09:38] <AndyEsser> he should be a politician
[09:38] <craag> eh, people make mistakes
[09:39] <craag> we were looking in the wrong place for craag7/sfsu on saturday
[09:39] <craag> then noticed that the position was at an altitude of ~1000m
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[09:40] <AndyEsser> craag: was that the last time it had a GPS loc?
[09:40] <AndyEsser> lock*
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[09:41] <edmoore> sfsu?
[09:41] <edmoore> != susf?
[09:41] <craag> no, it was the last time the app had synced :/
[09:41] <AndyEsser> ah
[09:41] <AndyEsser> any apps I make to help me with tracking will have a big "YOU'RE BEING A MONG. LOOK AT THE DATA!"
[09:41] <craag> edmoore: we have a few susf trackers, so they're all anagrams
[09:41] <AndyEsser> banner
[09:41] <edmoore> oic
[09:42] <edmoore> always look at the data!
[09:42] <edmoore> i would still have a yagi in the boot
[09:42] <edmoore> tho steve is right that you'll use it a lot less nowadays
[09:42] <AndyEsser> Yea, it was only when I was driving home that I thought that maybe the app was lying to me
[09:42] <edmoore> but it's still useful for when the shoot hats the fin
[09:42] <AndyEsser> based on original signal strength at the beginning vs, when I thought I was on top of it
[09:42] <craag> we had the yagi, were just a little overconfident
[09:43] <craag> learnt the lesson and recovered easily anyway
[09:45] <mattbrejza> we knew where it was mostly since we saw it come down :P
[09:45] <edmoore> lol
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[09:46] <edmoore> this time of year when crops are getting tall and fields of grass have got tall it becomes really hard
[09:46] <edmoore> payloads just disappear into the undergrowth
[09:46] <edmoore> totally invisible until you're right ontop of them
[09:46] <AndyEsser> My hips are killing me today from 2 hours of walking around a field with waist high grass :(
[09:47] <edmoore> alright grandma
[09:47] <AndyEsser> :(
[09:47] <edmoore> hab is actually a lovely excuse for a good walk
[09:48] <edmoore> back when i was doing it a lot more and we were approaching almost weekly churchill launches for month long stretches there was alsmost always a nice walk once a weekend through suffolk or norfolk countryside to retreive something
[09:49] <AndyEsser> I'd rather walk around suffolk or norfolk than those damn shropshire hills
[09:49] <AndyEsser> pretty, yes... but good lord I'm unif
[09:49] <AndyEsser> unfit*
[09:49] <daveake> Greg's payload on Saturday landed in fairly long grass, however the payload was enormous so still visible 100m away
[09:50] <edmoore> https://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/478718206/in/dateposted-public/
[09:50] <edmoore> that sort of thing
[09:50] <edmoore> nice walks through the fields
[09:50] <AndyEsser> did have a cyclist stop and ask me what I was up to, seemed quite interested in why I had a backpack with a cable coming out of it to an antenna in my hand :)
[09:50] <daveake> That's easier than the climb that AndyEsser and I had recently :)
[09:51] <AndyEsser> daveake: just a tad
[09:52] <edmoore> it's nice that everyone is very understanding usually
[09:52] <edmoore> if someone stops to ask or you have to knock on a door
[09:52] <edmoore> never had a bad incident
[09:52] <AndyEsser> Yea, thankfully no angry farmers
[09:52] <edmoore> tho have sometimes had a neighbouring landowner say 'just run in and get it cos he's a miserable old git'
[09:53] <daveake> My flight before that had a great (but steeper/longer) walk to it. Lovely views esp as the sun went down on the way back. Lovely walk.
[09:53] <edmoore> also note that jamesd has hair in that photo
[09:53] <daveake> yeah the couple on saturday were lovely, but mentioned that some of their neighbours weren't
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[09:54] <daveake> including one who, if a hot air balloon landed in his fields, would lock his gates
[09:54] <edmoore> lol
[09:55] <daveake> Apparently he'd previously given permission to a chase team to get their hot air balloon back, and the team complained that his fields were "too uneven"
[09:55] <daveake> It's not hard to be friendly to landowners
[09:56] <daveake> Smile a lot, explain wtf you're on their doorstep, stroke the dog, etc
[09:57] <craag> bonus points for a minibus full of excited school kids turning up
[09:57] <daveake> oh yes that helps!
[09:57] <gonzo__> mention schools and have a pretty bolnd UKSA girl witj you
[09:58] <gonzo__> to talk nicely to the guys in the guard room
[09:59] <SpeedEvil> Have a friend nearby with a tranq-gun
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[10:01] <gonzo__> poss you would be out gunned by a grumpy farmer with a 12bore
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[10:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03iceman_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=iceman_chase
[10:19] <edmoore> FAO AndyEsser
[10:19] <edmoore> wow
[10:26] <AndyEsser> edmoore: hmm?
[10:27] <edmoore> that email
[10:27] <edmoore> amused me
[10:27] <AndyEsser> my response, or his email?
[10:27] <edmoore> instead of just replying inline like how email is meant to work
[10:27] <AndyEsser> don't read my response then :P
[10:27] <edmoore> tho i love your rply :)
[10:32] <AndyEsser> o well, no point beating myself up about the failure - learning exercise :)
[10:42] <AndyEsser> daveake: what are the chances of reaching someone (such as yourself) on a handheld HF transceiver whilst wandering the Shropshire Hils?
[10:43] <daveake> Me? I don't do ham radio. :)
[10:43] <AndyEsser> Ah, I thought the M0RPI suggested you did :P
[10:44] <daveake> Nah
[10:44] <mfa298> AndyEsser: with HF probably as much chance as on VHF, but a better chance of getting someone the other side of the world
[10:44] <AndyEsser> was thinking it'd make a handy backup in the mobile dark zone :)
[10:45] <mfa298> although HF antennas tend to be big or very compromised.
[10:45] <AndyEsser> mfa298: Yea, was thinking VHF might not get out of the valleys
[10:45] <mfa298> 2/70 handheld and knowing the local repeaters is probably as useful.
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[10:46] <edmoore> AndyEsser: similarly, i would read nothing into my being M0TEK
[10:46] <edmoore> trying to find me on the air might be rather fruitless
[10:46] <AndyEsser> fair enough
[10:46] <gonzo__> did you mean HF or VHF?
[10:46] <edmoore> use a phone like a normal person
[10:46] <AndyEsser> edmoore: I did say backup, due to having little to no reception both times I've been in that area
[10:47] <gonzo__> handheld HF means that the antennas are extreamly complrmised
[10:47] <AndyEsser> gonzo__: yea, I guessed as much due to the wavelengths involved
[10:47] <AndyEsser> although a car mounted whip might not be too bad
[10:47] <mfa298> 2/70 radios can be useful if you've got a few cars chasing as it can allow car to car comms (radios aren't covered by the mobile phone rules - although you still need to be safe)
[10:48] <gonzo__> though one of the few used that CB radio hangs on in, is the off road commiunity
[10:48] <gonzo__> as it works better in that terrain than the 446MHz stuff
[10:48] <AndyEsser> mfa298: wouldn't PMR 446 be cheaper and simply in that case?
[10:49] <gonzo__> 2/70 baofeng type radios are silly cheap now. £20 ?
[10:49] <gonzo__> and you could (not leaglly) put 446 frequencies in them
[10:50] <gonzo__> when I was a kid, we used CB a lot when out camping etc. I used to have a wire dipole I could throw up a tree. Worked supprisingly well
[10:50] <mfa298> my experience is that legal PMR tends to be fairly compromising, antennas have to be integrated, the cheap PMR radios are fairly crap.
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[10:51] <gonzo__> and power on 446 is limited to 500mW
[10:52] <gonzo__> if you can, leave someopne on a high ground with a radio, when you go down into the valleys
[10:52] <gonzo__> then they can pass onn messages, keep in range of a cell tower/internet etc
[10:52] <russss> btw I definitely have not used Baofengs on 446 and I definitely did not find they worked very well.
[10:53] <russss> so I would absolutely not be able to recommend trying that
[10:53] <gonzo__> me neither
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[10:53] <daveake> yeah that never happens
[10:53] <gonzo__> and certainly never try 50W from the mobile set
[10:54] <daveake> not next to my ear, no :)
[10:54] <mfa298> the FT 817 is pretty good at receiving PMR 446, I honestly havn't tried TX, but would be a useful backup.
[10:54] <gonzo__> AndyEsser, what's your application? between chase cars separated in the hills?
[10:55] <russss> mfa298: I think by default the 817 will refuse to transmit on that band
[10:55] <russss> without some modifications
[10:55] <gonzo__> but that diode is easy to remove
[10:58] <AndyEsser> gonzo__: just purely to contact someone with an internet connection whilst out tracking stuff down :P
[10:58] <AndyEsser> if needs be
[10:58] <AndyEsser> it was mainly just a curiosity
[10:59] <gonzo__> if you are able/licenced to use amateur bands, then it depends on what kit you have. HF would possibly be best, or maybee 50MHz. With as much power as you can legally use
[10:59] <edmoore> i did actually use 50MHz in scotland once
[10:59] <edmoore> worked quite well for echoing around the hills and mountains
[11:00] <gonzo__> if you need licence free, then CB may be worth a look. If you go for a radio with the old UK bands (quieter than the US/EU ones when the conditions are right/wrong)
[11:00] <AndyEsser> gonzo__: nah, this would be licensed Amateur Radio
[11:01] <gonzo__> 70MHz is one of my favourite little bands. A bit of an UK only oddity till recently. But always had a soft spot for it
[11:01] <mfa298> russss: mine had been modded when I got it (mod is fairly easy I think, although a pain getting it open)
[11:02] <gonzo__> Use the lowest VHF freq you can with a good antenna (5/8th ?). Or f you have HF, try sonething 21-28MHz?
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[11:02] <gonzo__> Lower freqs are a pain to get antennas to work efficiently
[11:03] <mfa298> if it's for emergency comms I'd be tempted to try 20m as well, but that's more if you dont have anyone local you've arranged to have as a contact
[11:03] <gonzo__> but if you have an HF radio, chance is it will do 50MHz as well. And a 2mtr 5/8 wave antenna is work on there. (as a loaded 1/4 wave)
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[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
[11:10] <AndyEsser> wth google inbox... why would you re-include an attachment on a Reply...
[11:18] <dbrooke> I just had to wait a minute or so for the one with 2 copies to open 8-) (remote access to home mail server with ~400kb/s ADSL uplink)
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[11:25] <michal_f_off> what's the latest dl-fldigi version ?
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 3.21.50
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[11:33] <michal_f_off> then I'm up to date. thanks !
[11:34] <michal_f_off> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi#dl-fldigi lists up to 3.1
[11:34] <craag> 3.1 is the dl-fldigi version
[11:35] <craag> 3.21.50 is the fldigi (upstream) version
[11:35] <michal_f_off> ahh, ok
[11:35] <craag> both could change independently
[11:35] <craag> but the dl-fldigi number is the one to keep track of
[11:35] <craag> but that's a bit easy as it hasn't changed in years :)
[11:36] <fsphil> it's increasingly ackward to compile
[11:36] <fsphil> with each new OS update
[11:36] <craag> yes I tried on 16.04 the other night - gave up
[11:37] <michal_f_off> are there any onther RTTY decoders? (I know fldigi can do much more)
[11:37] <fsphil> had to hack navtex.cpp, commented out sections with errors. not a real fix but it got it going
[11:37] <fsphil> weirdly the latest navtex.cpp in fldigi is identical
[11:38] <fsphil> only the android rtty modem can do habhub uploads
[11:38] <craag> there is the desktop java version of the rtty modem
[11:39] <craag> but it is a bit clunky, and doesn't do ssdv
[11:39] <fsphil> I'm sure that could be added without too much pain
[11:39] <mattbrejza> and fldigi isnt clunky? :P
[11:39] <fsphil> the modem is the hard part
[11:39] <craag> true mattbrejza
[11:39] <craag> sorry :P
[11:40] <michal_f_off> I'm having distant plans to try and make a portable airspy+odroid
[11:40] <michal_f_off> some working RTTY code would be nice
[11:40] <fsphil> airspy into android would be neat
[11:42] <michal_f_off> until now I had only a partial success running it under ubuntu. GQRX can't decode with 10NSPS (with odroid XU4)
[11:43] <fsphil> tried 250ksps?
[11:43] <fsphil> not sure how well that's supported in linux
[11:44] <michal_f_off> yes I could demodulate with decimation
[11:44] <michal_f_off> for some reason though, audio quality is worse than SDR# under windowx
[11:44] <michal_f_off> windows *
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[12:04] <Laurenceb> this looks very nice http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/AX5243-D.PDF
[12:04] <Laurenceb> hardware PSK
[12:05] <mattbrejza> DSSS?
[12:05] <mattbrejza> well i suppose it can transmit DSSS
[12:05] <Laurenceb> nope just regular PSK
[12:05] <Laurenceb> although it has FEC too
[12:05] <mattbrejza> in the same way lora has fec?
[12:06] <Laurenceb> yes
[12:06] <mattbrejza> persumably you can bodge dsss at the transmitter and do the work on a sdr at the rx
[12:06] <Laurenceb> I don't see why you would want DSSS
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[12:07] <mattbrejza> would be good in a hab telemetry system
[12:07] <mattbrejza> instead of lora
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[12:09] <mattbrejza> fec only seems to get you 4dB in terms of Eb/N0
[12:09] <Laurenceb> yeah
[12:09] <Laurenceb> still -140dBm sensitivity using PSK and FEC
[12:10] <Laurenceb> thats better than silabs
[12:10] <mattbrejza> viterbi decoder
[12:11] <mattbrejza> well, whats the sensitivity at the same throughput and no fec?
[12:11] <Laurenceb> -138dBm
[12:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NAILBRUSH - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAILBRUSH
[12:34] <fsphil> ok
[12:34] <daveake> Don't ask :)
[12:35] <fsphil> habicure
[12:38] <mattbrejza> !whereis NAILBRUSH
[12:38] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03NAILBRUSH is near 0351.95032,-2.54434 at 03144 meters
[12:38] <SM0ULC-Reb> :)
[12:38] <russss> is this a CIA codename
[12:43] <AndyEsser> can we start getting balloons landing less in those hills please...
[12:43] <AndyEsser> if I don't have to go back for 6 months, it would be too soon
[12:44] <craag> Haha, maybe you should join in on one my recovery adventures sometime ;)
[12:44] <AndyEsser> maybe when I have more gear :)
[12:44] <AndyEsser> and a car again
[12:45] <adamgreig> that does look nice Laurenceb
[12:45] <AndyEsser> since I have to give mine back on Friday and will be carless for a while
[12:45] <craag> ah
[12:45] <AndyEsser> will pick up "the 4x4" in September hopefully
[12:45] <craag> :D
[12:45] <AndyEsser> just have to survive 2 months of commuting on the train
[12:45] <fsphil> my car is about to fail I think. been looking at new ones. is it bad that I'm looking for spots to put an antenna, radio and laptop?
[12:45] <AndyEsser> *shudders*
[12:45] <craag> that's what you need for wales
[12:45] <craag> I got the corsa stuck 4 times last time
[12:45] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I'm already thinking of having an extendable 70cms antenna on the back, and a lower freq whip antenna :)
[12:45] <AndyEsser> looking at something like a hilux
[12:46] <craag> fsphil: I've been looking at battery capacities..
[12:46] <fsphil> for tracking you don't really need more than the little magmount watson sell
[12:46] <fsphil> mmm yes battery
[12:46] <fsphil> though can put a battery in the boot
[12:46] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I'd basically have it as my radio shack, since I wouldn't have much space at home
[12:47] <mfa298> decent engine for the mountains as well if you're in wales, My 1.2 Skoda struggled a bit at times with two of us,
[12:47] <AndyEsser> o0o0 if I could remotely connect to the car for HAB tracking...
[12:47] <fsphil> not a bad idea AndyEsser
[12:47] <AndyEsser> mfa298: my 2.0L Insignia struggle a little bit yesterday on the farm tracks
[12:47] <craag> That and a real roof rack for the 2-axis auto-tracking mount
[12:47] <AndyEsser> but that may have been more todo with front wheel drive and low clarence
[12:48] <AndyEsser> craag: I Was thinking of a 1-axis rotating Yagi for the roof... but then imagined going around a corner too quickly and it trying to sheer itself off :)
[12:48] <daveake> That's Clarence, Oveur
[12:49] <AndyEsser> what's your vector victor?
[12:49] <gonzo__> you can tell me, I'm a doctor
[12:49] <daveake> I got a bit from a handheld Yagi on Saturday, but not much, till I rotated it. Obv the payload aerial was horizontal :/
[12:50] <gonzo__> and don't call me shirley
[12:50] <gonzo__> is that the whole film done?
[12:50] <daveake> Roger
[12:51] <gonzo__> AndyEsser, you probably want to look at a split charge systemand a second battery.
[12:51] <AndyEsser> gonzo__: yea
[12:52] <daveake> hmm ... would be a good set of payload IDs for a flight :)
[12:52] <AndyEsser> wasn't going to power it solely from the engine
[12:52] <AndyEsser> and also some way to power it all externally via some sort of umbilical
[12:52] <fsphil> my laptop 12v adaptor doesn't work well at 12v :(
[12:52] <gonzo__> I have that on the LR. So not using the car's batt for radio
[12:52] <fsphil> seems to expect 13v+
[12:53] <AndyEsser> gonzo__: yea, I don't mind running the radio stuff for a day and flattening the battery as long as I know I can still turn the key and start the engine
[12:53] <daveake> Some 4x4's have a second battery tray
[12:53] <AndyEsser> fsphil: pish who looks at numbers
[12:53] <fsphil> means it won't work from an SLA battery as they are never above 13v
[12:53] <AndyEsser> do cars have some sort of charging circuit normally? or is usually just trickle charge direct onto the battery?
[12:53] <daveake> 2nd battery, split charger
[12:53] <fsphil> only works in the car with the engine running
[12:53] <gonzo__> I have a viltage sensitiove relay, that waits till the main batt us up to 13.5V before it cuts in. So the car charges trhe main batt, then starts charging the 2nd batt
[12:54] <gonzo__> voltage
[12:54] <craag> I've just bought one of those units off ebay
[12:54] <craag> "Battery guard"
[12:54] <craag> variable threshold cutoff, ~20-30A
[12:54] <craag> So I can put a battery in the boot
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[12:55] <gonzo__> and i wired it with huge fat leads with one of those batt isolatoir switched between. So I can bypass and load both batts together if I need to jumpo start myself
[12:55] <daveake> I've never jump started myself
[12:55] <craag> My 1.2 corsa really struggles as it is though with any kit - looking for something with more grunt.
[12:55] <gonzo__> (marked, tie main bus A and main bus B
[12:55] <daveake> hah
[12:55] <craag> hehe
[12:56] <gonzo__> good to get yourself going on a cold morning
[12:56] <gonzo__> and the car
[12:57] <gonzo__> I have a 100A anderson connector on as well. which works for the winch and a 1kW inverter I have
[12:57] Action: AndyEsser is planning an elaborate power distribution system for the truck...
[12:57] <AndyEsser> goddamnit
[12:57] <AndyEsser> this hobby gets expensive
[12:57] <gonzo__> doesn't have to
[12:57] <AndyEsser> I know I know
[12:57] <AndyEsser> but... toys!
[12:57] <AndyEsser> :)
[12:58] <daveake> Problem is, want==need
[12:58] <gonzo__> in my world, you get points for miser value
[12:59] <gonzo__> the whole charge system for my LR, including a new 80AH leiesure batt, was <100£
[13:01] <gonzo__> standardising on a 12V connector is a good thing to do early. the 15/30A powerpoles are popular now (and cheap off ebay)
[13:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHAS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHAS
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[13:05] <AndyEsser> gonzo__: are those the C-form connectors?
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[13:08] <craag> AndyEsser: http://www.g0hwc.com/images/AndersonPowerpole2.jpg
[13:08] <AndyEsser> ah gotcha
[13:08] <craag> they're surperb dc connectors
[13:08] <AndyEsser> nice and rugged?
[13:08] <adamgreig> certainly widely used by hams
[13:09] <craag> they're not waterproof or anything
[13:09] <adamgreig> i think there exist better dc connectors :p
[13:09] <craag> but for the price they're good :)
[13:09] <adamgreig> though if you're going to pick something to standardise on they seem a good shout
[13:09] <adamgreig> for the price they are excellent
[13:09] <AndyEsser> might have a standard internal and a standard eternal connector
[13:09] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:09] <AndyEsser> external*
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[13:35] <dbrooke> AndyEsser: don't forget the solar panels 8-)
[13:35] <AndyEsser> dbrooke: that's Phase 2
[13:36] <fsphil> they don't seem to hold together very well. the anderson plugs
[13:36] <fsphil> they really should have a clip
[13:36] <dbrooke> https://ukhas.net/nodeInfo?id=181 is the aux battery on my Landie which has been parked up with radios, PC and WiFi hotspot from 10:00 to 17:00 the last 2 days
[13:36] <dbrooke> you can see the sunny bits
[13:36] <AndyEsser> dbrooke: really?! "Car Gateway"
[13:36] <AndyEsser> not... "Carway"
[13:37] <AndyEsser> annoying thing about yesterday... pretty much guarantee that my cars tracker would've reported its signal just fine
[13:37] <AndyEsser> :(
[13:38] <dbrooke> it's the node from the car, but at the moment in the Landie, I need to build a dual battery monitor version for permanent install
[13:38] <fsphil> should put a ukhasnet node into the little solar lights in the garden
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[13:40] <mattbrejza> fsphil: some of these perhaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGbX1ut-l8s
[13:40] <mattbrejza> maybe tx only though
[13:40] <fsphil> not that ugly
[13:40] <adamgreig> lol
[13:41] <mattbrejza> probably nicer ones avaliable too...
[13:41] <fsphil> more like these, http://i.imgur.com/penBNwv.jpg
[13:42] <fsphil> £1 each
[13:42] <fsphil> I'll spend far more upgrading it ...
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[13:46] <gonzo__> the powerpoles have a little hole/notch for a retaining pin. That stops them sliding apart, if that was what was meant
[13:46] <gonzo__> or a dot of superglue
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[13:47] <fsphil> clip would be handier
[13:47] <fsphil> there probably is a version with it
[13:47] <gonzo__> when you slide two housings together you get two notched line up. That is to take a roll pin
[13:48] <gonzo__> but I use a dot of glue before assembly, works as well
[13:48] <gonzo__> just get the orientation right!
[13:49] <gonzo__> recently I've started using XLR for power
[13:49] <AndyEsser> XLR is good :)
[13:49] <gonzo__> 3 pin ones, for 0v +12 and +24V
[13:50] <gonzo__> I found a sack of them at work going begging
[13:50] <gonzo__> though all male cable mount. So it cost a fortune in the mating halves
[13:54] <AndyEsser> gonzo__: why not the shield for 0v? and then +5v, +12v + 24v?
[13:57] <tweetBot> @daveake: New LoRa gateway - V1.6: SSDV multiple packets per upload; fix 100% CPU in SSDV thread - https://t.co/z38ZIedR34 #ukhas
[13:58] <tweetBot> @aallan: This looks rather nice, and not just for #nearspace balloon missions, generally applicable for remote #iot sensors https://t.co/HY6NZzPSX4
[14:03] <fsphil> yes, definitly getting my garden lights on the internet #iot
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[14:08] <daveake> Yeah then we can make them flash like the ones the crowd wore at Glasto
[14:11] <fsphil> I'd be happy if they just came on before 11pm
[14:11] <gonzo__> a clever crowd worn lights matrix? or just randonly flashing stolen roadworks beacons?
[14:11] <gonzo__> if they are solar ones, being happy if the last more than half an hour
[14:12] <fsphil> yeah, solar with a AA battery
[14:13] <fsphil> they do run a good few hours
[14:13] <fsphil> just this time of year it doesn't get dark enough before 11pm for them to think it's night time
[14:14] <gonzo__> you could just dig in some wire and have a switch
[14:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SY3BFO_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SY3BFO_chase
[14:22] <mfa298> the wristbands for Coldplay at Glasto are multicoloured and radio controlled so they all do the same thing.
[14:22] <mfa298> I think it's a Coldplay thing, I've heard of them having the same thing at other concerts they've done
[14:22] <russss> they are these http://xylobands.com/
[14:22] <russss> (warning: autoplay!)
[14:23] <russss> they aren't exclusive to Coldplay but I think Chris Martin is an investor
[14:25] <mfa298> I think it was 2011/12 I first heard of Coldplay using them
[14:25] <russss> yeah I think they were developed for Coldplay
[14:26] <russss> nice way to generate e-waste IMO
[14:31] <mfa298> http://xylobands.com/coldplay-case-study/ would suggest Coldplay wanted that sort of thing, and someone else had started building the sort of thing.
[14:31] <gonzo__> if they could locate them in the arena, could program patterns and waves. That would be fun
[14:32] <mfa298> I was half thinking if you had them with low power rx/tx capability you could do some interesting things.
[14:32] <mfa298> along the lines of the tx was only powerful enough for a couple of meters
[14:32] <gonzo__> locating them accuratly is a small space would be the challenge
[14:34] <russss> I work in the same office as some folks who are doing similar stuff but with less e-waste http://makelight.co/
[14:34] <mfa298> that's where I was thinking low power repeat could be interesting, send a command out and see it ripple outwards, if you had a few points to start those commands from you could generate some interesting effects
[14:36] <gonzo__> poss a simple data rx and a swept IR, in X and Y to locate them? Could do that with a pretty low power cpu
[14:36] <gonzo__> then command the patterns
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[17:05] <PE2BZ> !flights
[17:05] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32), 03Bradgatepark 10(e508)
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[17:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2FZW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2FZW-11
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[17:33] <SpeedEvil> http://i.imgur.com/EVo0uPZ.gifv - new spacex landing
[17:34] <russss> I saw that earlier and all I could think is wtf is going on with that pool. I would not swim in that.
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> nice landing :)
[17:44] <AndyEsser> silly russss, it's not for swimming, it's for landing rockets!
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[17:55] <PE2BZ> It´s colling fluid which leaked out of the rocket during launch ;-)
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[19:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ARY-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ARY-2
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[20:59] <fashe> hiii
[21:00] <fashe> i would like to get rights to edit
[21:07] <mfa298> fashe: do you mean for the ukhas.org.uk wiki? I'm not sure off hand who can do that.
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[21:08] <daveake> I guess not
[21:08] <fsphil> you gotta fight, for your right, to edit
[21:09] <fsphil> I have nothing to contribute to this conversation
[21:09] <mfa298> fight or wait ?
[21:09] <lz1dev> pay
[21:09] <fsphil> ah, the ukhas membership fee
[21:10] <lz1dev> or just hava referendum
[21:11] <fsphil> YES THAT ALWAYS WORKS
[21:11] <lz1dev> yep, and if it doesn't you can always resign
[21:11] <lz1dev> ¯\_(Ä)_/¯
[21:11] <fsphil> I think I resigned from the shadow cabinet twice already. it's quite fun
[21:12] <fsphil> that cabinet really needs a light
[21:12] <lz1dev> how can it be shadow if there is no light source ?
[21:13] <daveake> It's an IKEA cabinet. Comes apart quicker than it goes together.
[21:14] <mfa298> rofl
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[21:17] <mfa298> and it looks like we've had another bit of Brexit Part2, seems like iceland won.
[21:17] <framioco> Hi! Quick question, I hope :) me and some friends are building our first HAB, with the following stack: RaspberryPi + Arduberry + Habduino (with both the Radiometrix MTX2 and APRS modules). We have the Pi camera v2 on rpi storing pictures on the rpi SDCard. APRS is working fine, sending position, is there a way to also send the live images from the camera through the MTX2 / UHF interface? Is this doable?
[21:18] <framioco> I wonder if this is worth investigating or pursuing, or maybe the bandwith of UHF is so low that it is not worth it/possible
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[21:18] <mfa298> framioco: you can send pictures using SSDV, although not particular large images
[21:19] <mfa298> there's probably soem on ssdv.habhub.org from other flgihts you can see
[21:20] <framioco> first time I hear about SSDV (I'm very new to this :P)
[21:20] <framioco> is that through UHF or APRS?
[21:20] <mfa298> you might find the pits board was more useful for that rather than habduino
[21:20] <framioco> yes, sadly when we purchased, the pits was out of stock
[21:20] <daveake> Yeah this sounds like hard work
[21:20] <mfa298> it's done over the uhf rtty (usually 300 baud)
[21:21] <framioco> thanks for the pointers! I'll do some searching
[21:22] <daveake> For RTTY on a GPIO pin, look at the PIGPIO library
[21:22] <fsphil> some examples from a real flight: http://ssdv.habhub.org/CRAAG7/2016-06-25
[21:23] <framioco> thanks daveake
[21:23] <framioco> fsphil: nice :)
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[22:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CX1AA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CX1AA-11
[22:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NAILBRUSH after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAILBRUSH
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[22:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MORPH - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MORPH
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