highaltitude.log.20160624

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[01:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB5PGY-10 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB5PGY-10
[01:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Alexei_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Alexei_chase
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[01:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Dan-K2VOL_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Dan-K2VOL_chase
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[03:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03(214)723-9758_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=(214)723-9758_chase
[04:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cam_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cam_chase
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[06:05] <AndyEsser> morning
[06:05] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> gm
[06:06] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ve3ocl wspr balloon is over south uk, tx on 20 + 30m
[06:07] <x-f> morning, unioners and brexiters
[06:07] <AndyEsser> SA6BSS-Mike|2: please retract the "good" from your greeting
[06:07] <AndyEsser> :(
[06:08] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> hehe
[06:09] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> well coffee is just redy so it will be a "good" day soon enugh
[06:09] <AndyEsser> :)
[06:09] <AndyEsser> fair enough :P
[06:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[06:32] <x-f> SA6BSS-Mike|2, can i use the standard WSPR decoder software or it requires something special?
[06:42] <mfa298> scary morning might be a better description
[06:44] <AndyEsser> good lord Farage is a lying miserable weasel
[06:46] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> x-f: no, regular wspr, it does send a special wspr message as well and is picked from wspr DB and presented here http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s12.html
[06:47] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> and it tx jt9 on 30m as well alt griundspeed 6fig loc
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[06:48] <x-f> thanks, my HF "setup" is very primitive but i'll try anyway
[06:50] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> great, here is how they "abuse" the wspr system to send telemetry over their network, http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s4.html
[06:50] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> thats kind of cool
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[07:01] <x-f> pretty clever stuff squeezing so much information in those very limited three allowed fields
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[07:05] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep, clever indeed, going for regular wspr and alt and 6 fig loc in jt9 in my upcomming wspr tracker, its working great but I have to rebuild the PS with another boost regulator
[07:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> its just over 4grams, and I have made a new pcb half the size of the first so it will knoc 1-2 grams more of the tot weight
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[07:09] <x-f> what power source will it have - solar only, battery?
[07:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> solar only and supercap
[07:10] <x-f> sounds great
[07:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> hope to kepp total weight under 10grams totalwitha ntenna and all
[07:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> hope to launch in the next few weeks
[07:16] <x-f> cool, keep us in touch, that will force me to finally solder the Mini Whip kit i've been delaying for months :)
[07:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> will do :) a pic of the tracker https://www.dropbox.com/s/dfohcvxgr5qcc5v/IMG_20160612_220507.jpg?dl=0
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[07:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
[07:46] <x-f> as seen in its natural environment :)
[07:54] <SA6BSS-Mike> hah usuly end up there :9
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[08:01] <SA6BSS-Mike> hysplit for ve3ocl fot the next 4 days http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/113413_trj001.gif
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[08:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> sorry, forgot the - before , correct hysplit http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/18464_trj001.gif
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[09:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC after 0320 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
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[09:54] <gonzo__> I assume this is a new launch?
[09:54] <gonzo__> Do they always re-use the same payload name?
[09:56] <craag> yes, yes
[09:57] <lz1dev> is UK exiting the EU ?
[09:58] <gonzo__> seems to be the case.
[09:58] <michal_f> so it seems
[09:58] <craag> still has to go through parliament
[09:58] <mfa298> time to move to Scotland or NI ?
[09:58] <lz1dev> lol
[09:59] <gonzo__> and it will probably trigger another scotish referrendum
[09:59] <fsphil> can't see it being all that good for NI either
[09:59] <fsphil> basically we're all screwed
[09:59] <fsphil> </overreacting>
[09:59] <lz1dev> potentially
[10:00] <gonzo__> we are anyway. Governemnt is just a slow process of screwing
[10:00] <fsphil> hah
[10:00] <mfa298> there seems to be some camps suggestign it might help integrate NI and ROI more
[10:00] <mfa298> although no doubt and of these changes will be slow
[10:00] <fsphil> doubtful
[10:01] <gonzo__> would ROI want that ?
[10:01] <mfa298> in other news, I've lost the abillity to type
[10:01] <gonzo__> I cave company bthen
[10:01] <gonzo__> (that was not intentional either)
[10:05] <AndyEsser> mfa298: there are talks of Reunification of Ireland, and then both Ireland and Scotland joining the EU
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[10:06] <fsphil> that'll end badly
[10:06] <gonzo__> could ROI afford to take on NI
[10:06] <daveake> I've no doubt there'll be another Scotland vote and it'll be a different vote to last time
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> daveake: perhaps, yes.
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> The fun part is timing.
[10:06] <gonzo__> cornwall will be next
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> I don't think it can happen before the UK leaves
[10:07] <AndyEsser> fsphil: is the desire to be RoI/NI stronger than being in the EU?
[10:07] <fsphil> yep
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[10:07] <fsphil> it's a way of life for people here to hate/love ROI
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> Which menas there is no prospect of some arrangement whereby scotland joins EU as UK leaves
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> There has to be a gap
[10:07] <daveake> messy
[10:07] <AndyEsser> Yea, I'll admit, I'm not too hot on the issues surrounding the problems in Ireland in the 80s/90s
[10:08] <AndyEsser> other than my father being exceedingly happy he spent 2 years in hospital instead of being sent to NI
[10:08] <fsphil> hah
[10:08] <daveake> or both
[10:08] <SpeedEvil> AndyEsser: There were a number of explosives enthusiasts clubs who held competitions.
[10:08] <AndyEsser> which speaks volumes about how bad things must've been
[10:08] <AndyEsser> since my father was basically unable to walk for 2 years
[10:09] <fsphil> thankfully I was born after/too young to have seen the really bad bits
[10:09] <gonzo__> Ages ago I was talking to an group of people from ROI. And the subject of 'the irish problem' came up. They all said it was bugger all to do with them, it's a british problem , and leave them out of it
[10:09] <AndyEsser> I have friends that lived in Belfast during the time, and even when I went to Belfast for work, it was still a very contentious issue
[10:11] <gonzo__> nearest I've been was at one of the sites after a bomb in london. (some weeks after !)
[10:11] <AndyEsser> Whenever I'm in Warrington with my brother we always drive passed the memorial centre for the bomb victims
[10:12] <gonzo__> they blew up atransit full of stuff and some of our kit got a few flying bricks
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[10:25] <Andrew_M0NRD> BARC on 434.450MHz..
[10:25] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[10:26] <AndyEsser> I did specifically ask if the frequency in the flight doc was correct
[10:27] <Upu> someone ask them to attach a camera one day
[10:27] <Andrew_M0NRD> they did on last flight
[10:27] <Upu> !track BARC
[10:27] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
[10:28] <Upu> and someone tell them to increment the payload name so it appears as a new track
[10:30] <Upu> nice signal though
[10:30] <Andrew_M0NRD> shift about 700hz not 910hz as advertised ;-)
[10:34] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:34] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03BARC 10(8408), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[10:34] <pb0ahx> !dial 8408
[10:34] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(8408): 0310 MHz
[10:34] <Andrew_M0NRD> 434.450Mhz
[10:37] <pb0ahx> tnx
[10:51] <michal_f> hypothetical question... given the predicted landing spot is that close to a major highway: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=bf00516905b2ee5cc79acadb902f4d675928ac97
[10:51] <michal_f> would you cancel flight ?
[10:51] <Andrew_M0NRD> loving the nulls in my collinear 70km and hardly any signal
[10:51] <AndyEsser> michal_f: it's too far in the future to call it
[10:52] <AndyEsser> if that was the prediction the day before, then maybe
[10:53] <michal_f> assuming if it was for todays flight...
[10:54] <Upu> michal_f: its a judgement call but if its tracking along it generally try change some of your parameters like ascent rate or balloon etc
[10:54] <Upu> otherwise cancel it
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[10:56] <michal_f> thanks Upu, sounds reasonable
[10:57] <michal_f> I wonder how meteo stations don't give a s*** about such things... they just release and off you go !
[10:58] <michal_f> Once one of warsaw's radiosondes droppped in the middle of city, right onto pricey BMW. But they have insurance
[11:04] <gonzo__> the uk met had three claims in 5 years (according to a FOI that someone did)
[11:04] <daveake> michal_f: Yeah I wouldn't fly that
[11:04] <gonzo__> a cracked conservatory window
[11:05] <gonzo__> a cracked windscreen (which i suspedt was just a cheeky claim)
[11:05] <daveake> Yes that wouldn't actually happen
[11:05] <gonzo__> and a sonde tangled in power lines
[11:06] <daveake> My one and only payout was a some beer and wine to a farmer
[11:06] <gonzo__> wa sthat in payment for him cutting the tree down for you?
[11:08] <daveake> Nah ... he started off as Mr Angry, partly because I was unintentionally on his land (driveway to a few houses) but mainly because he'd had a bad experience with a hot air balloon landing on his farm a few years ago
[11:09] <daveake> He mentioned that they never gave him a bottle of champagne :)
[11:09] <daveake> So, catching his drift, I asked if he wanted beer or wine :)
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[11:09] <daveake> "Beer for me and wine for the missus please" :)
[11:10] <montauciel> !dial barc
[11:10] <SpacenearUS> 03montauciel: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(8408): none
[11:10] <Upu> 434.450
[11:10] <pb0ahx> barc is 434.450
[11:10] <pb0ahx> i have trace but not yet writing
[11:10] <daveake> lz1dev: Is the live prediction a bit broken?
[11:11] <lz1dev> daveake: dunno
[11:11] <daveake> It's doing for BARC what I've seen before - seems to think that burst is imminent
[11:11] <montauciel> mny tks...>>>
[11:12] <lz1dev> daveake: probably dont realize its a new flight
[11:12] <daveake> ah ok
[11:12] <daveake> How does it check that?
[11:12] <lz1dev> arcane magic someone once wrote
[11:13] <daveake> Oh :/
[11:14] <daveake> Putyting current position and ascent rate into the predictor, for 30km burst, I get a wet landing http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=22369fdfea310c0a46c82920031942904c2c1596
[11:15] <daveake> If it speeds up a bit it'll be dry
[11:15] <daveake> just
[11:15] <lz1dev> fixed
[11:15] <daveake> nice one :)
[11:21] <Andrew_M0NRD> predicted landing area not looking good
[11:24] <daveake> No, they needed to get the fill right on this one.
[11:27] <Andrew_M0NRD> mind you a bit further south and will be a nice day out
[11:30] <pb0ahx> curent writing funcube-1 here
[11:35] <gonzo__> hehe, sounds like a farmer!
[12:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cmb 7425_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cmb%207425_chase
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[12:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[12:04] Nick change: flutterb1t -> daey
[12:09] <pb0ahx> poefffffffffff
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[12:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BACON_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BACON_chase
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[12:20] <daveake> Ah, forget it was called that :)
[12:20] <daveake> forgot
[12:22] <pb0ahx> BARC team agn tnx good flight for me
[12:22] <Andrew_M0NRD> wonder what Flyingdales will make of BARC?
[12:23] <Andrew_M0NRD> or even Fylingdales ;-)
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[12:25] <pb0ahx> barc team neded a bood for recover
[12:26] <lz1dev> bood?
[12:26] <daveake> They can start when the bood comes in
[12:26] <PA0RPA> He means a boat to recover
[12:26] <daveake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHjkLE4qCQk
[12:28] <daveake> sentintosea.com
[12:28] <Andrew_M0NRD> wonder what the payload is?
[12:30] <R6mco> didn't get BARC. I was too late to put up the equipment ;-(
[12:30] <daveake> Oh wait, it's a PITS ...
[12:30] <daveake> ... one more sale Upu :)
[12:32] <daveake> Tomorrow's SKYBLUE flight is a bit close to the Severn so we'll need to be careful. Probably launching earlier than planned and using a larger balloon to help.
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[12:43] <michal_f> is it possible to limit what is displayed with KML file from habitat? I would like to discard all testing mess past some specific date
[12:44] <michal_f> and just see path for actual flight day
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[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5RZP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5RZP-11
[13:07] <craag> michal_f: You can select the flight doc when exporting the telemetry and it'll only show the data within your flight window.
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[13:16] <michal_f> ty craag
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[13:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K1AMO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K1AMO
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[14:16] <vascobnunes> hello all
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[14:17] <vascobnunes> I'm part of a team that is trying to launch their first HAB
[14:17] <AndyEsser> welcome, and great news!
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[14:18] <vascobnunes> we have an habduino with both 434 and 144 freqs and a UV-5RE to (hopefully) be a receiver for our ground station
[14:19] <vascobnunes> but we are having a lot of questions on how to properly configure dl-fldigi to do this
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[14:19] <vascobnunes> can anyone help? :)
[14:21] <vascobnunes> for example, our understanding is that we need to:
[14:21] <vascobnunes> 1 - change the habduino.ino code to have our callsign, which we already did
[14:22] <mfa298> UV-5RE will probably only be good for APRS in 144, which dl-fldigi can't decode
[14:22] <mfa298> for the 434 rtty you'll need a radio that can do SSB
[14:23] <vascobnunes> ahh, really? :/
[14:23] <mfa298> presumably you're somewhere that allows amateur radio from airborne and have a suitable amateur radio license
[14:23] <vascobnunes> portugal
[14:26] <mfa298> !wiki tracking guide
[14:26] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Found 0310 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=tracking%20guide
[14:27] <mfa298> there's a (now fairly old) list of radios people have used for receiving the 434 rtty on https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[14:28] <mfa298> the various SDRs are getting more popular now, particularly airspy and funcube
[14:29] <daveake> vascobnunes: You have an amateur radio licence ?
[14:30] <vascobnunes> yes
[14:31] <daveake> Great. Have a read of it to find out what it says about airborne operation.
[14:31] <daveake> Then update the wiki for us :)
[14:32] <vascobnunes> :)
[14:33] <daveake> If you can use it airborne, then you can use APRS to track your balloon. You'll need an APRS decoder/uploader (I use Direwolf, but there are plenty of others) to use with your Baofeng
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> 'crappy' SDR USB things plus habamp works surprisingly well for many
[14:33] <daveake> Yes I should add that you could use an SDR for APRS also
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> Not with habamp in that case
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> habamp really helps with local off-channel interference
[14:34] <daveake> Yes
[14:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mg169706_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=mg169706_chase
[14:37] <vascobnunes> Ok, let me digest all your info with the rest of the team here. I'll probably be back :) Thank you all!
[14:39] <gonzo__> if you want an easy and relativly cheap rx, without having to add lots of extra stuff (except an antenna and some coax) then the funcube pro+ dongle is a good solution
[14:41] <vascobnunes> could we use a bluetooth TNC as an encoder/decoder?
[14:42] <vascobnunes> we have this one: Mobilinkd TNC2
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[14:58] <gonzo__> I was recomending the funcube dongle for rtty on 434MHz
[14:58] <gonzo__> any APRS receive kit would be fine for 144MHz APRS
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[15:43] Nick change: michal_f -> michal_f_off
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[15:49] <Laurenceb__> time to update my CV
[15:49] <AndyEsser> err... interesting name for AFK
[15:49] <Laurenceb__> remove EU related stuff
[15:49] <AndyEsser> Laurenceb__: Alternatively, I'm just going to move there after this contract is up
[15:49] <Laurenceb__> heh
[15:50] <AndyEsser> join a friend of mine in Frankfurt most likely and work on getting German citizenship
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[16:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RTLS1 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RTLS1
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[16:56] <ve3kcl> HI a HF telemetry party balloon from Toronto headed for Norway at the moment if you are interested http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s12.html
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[16:56] <PE2BZ> !flights
[16:56] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03BARC 10(8408), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
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[17:14] <tweetBot> @daveake: Payload for tomorrow's flight: Pi Zero non-CSI, prototype PITS Zero, compass/accel, humidity/pressure/temp. #UKHAS https://t.co/fbwl4VWrvq
[17:15] <mattbrejza> were hobbycraft out of square boxes?
[17:16] <daveake> lol
[17:16] <daveake> It's our 30th wedding anniversary in a few days so I'm sending up a (not too valuable) necklace for Mrs Dave
[17:17] <mattbrejza> ah :)
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[17:25] <AndyEsser> Ladder Acquired for tomorrows mission of mounting my antenna
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[17:54] <DL7AD1> DoYouKnow craag: gps sdr receivers or transmitters?
[17:54] <DoYouKnow> receivers
[17:55] <DL7AD1> DoYouKnow: i know sdr's but not small.
[17:55] <DoYouKnow> I've been trying to find a route to making a portable radio with embedded antennas that are slightly more capable than the standard snake antennas
[17:55] <DoYouKnow> something like ceramic patches
[17:55] <DoYouKnow> but for receiving useful satellite data
[17:56] <DoYouKnow> GPS may be the best way to do this, but I'm curious about other options
[17:56] <DoYouKnow> like receiving EMWIN from GOES-East
[17:56] <DoYouKnow> near the GPS frequency, at -145 dB/hz
[17:56] <adamgreig> patches tend to be very narrow bandwidth, so depends on what you mean by "near"
[17:57] <DoYouKnow> yeah, it's a different frequency in that respect
[17:57] <DoYouKnow> I'd have to make it, probably. but I get access to Rogers pcb for free
[17:57] <DoYouKnow> since I'm a student
[17:57] <adamgreig> i'm a student and I sure don't :(
[17:57] <AndyEsser> damn students
[17:57] <AndyEsser> :P
[17:58] <DoYouKnow> adamgreig: you have to sign up on the Advanced Connectivity solutions site
[17:58] <DoYouKnow> you enter your school, etc
[17:58] <adamgreig> got a link for the signup?
[17:59] <adamgreig> can't spot anything on their site but that would be very relevant to my interests
[18:00] <DoYouKnow> https://rogerscorp.secure.force.com/samples/samples_public
[18:00] <adamgreig> also I missed your actual question but i'm currently in the deep end of designing a bunch of patch antennas for various things
[18:00] <adamgreig> thanks
[18:00] <DoYouKnow> the university samples are unlimited
[18:00] <DoYouKnow> but you can get a couple free if you're public too
[18:00] <DoYouKnow> (both programs/contact emails are accessible from that URL)
[18:02] <DoYouKnow> so, you can design a microstrip patch antenna
[18:02] <DoYouKnow> which work really well
[18:02] <DoYouKnow> with the laminates
[18:03] <DoYouKnow> I'm working on one for x-band
[18:04] <DoYouKnow> for receiving Deep Space Network radio science/carriers
[18:04] <DoYouKnow> (strongest signals)
[18:04] <adamgreig> cool
[18:04] <adamgreig> do they do any flexible substrates?
[18:06] <DoYouKnow> yeah, they have different ones. I think the one I usually get is H1/H1 (electrodeposited copper foil)
[18:06] <DoYouKnow> it's pretty flexible
[18:07] <DoYouKnow> also, the dielectric can tolerate bending as well, but it may affect its parameters. It's good if you want to bend the sheet like a copper sheet into a horn or something
[18:08] <DoYouKnow> if you're designing a more 3d shape
[18:08] <DoYouKnow> for your antenna
[18:12] <adamgreig> i need to wrap it around a cylinder with quite a high curvature
[18:13] <DoYouKnow> oh, I see, designing a helical?
[18:13] <adamgreig> conformal patch
[18:13] <DoYouKnow> one of the helical curved patches?
[18:13] <adamgreig> array
[18:13] <DoYouKnow> ohh
[18:13] <DoYouKnow> hmm
[18:13] <DoYouKnow> weird
[18:13] <DoYouKnow> have a link with more info?
[18:14] <DoYouKnow> it should work
[18:14] <DoYouKnow> call them up
[18:14] <DoYouKnow> they're very friendly
[18:14] <DoYouKnow> and provide support to students
[18:14] <adamgreig> i mean my current plan is to make a normal flexi pcb on dupont pyralux and then conform it around a dielectric
[18:14] <adamgreig> but if the pcb itself could be thick enough to work as my dieletric and have a copper ground plane, that would be easier
[18:15] <DoYouKnow> what does this antenna's radiation pattern look like?
[18:15] <DoYouKnow> is it omni directional?
[18:15] <adamgreig> in the roll direction yes
[18:15] <adamgreig> nulls fore and aft sadly
[18:15] <DoYouKnow> ok
[18:15] <adamgreig> can't be helped much though
[18:16] <adamgreig> don't have the space for a bigger beam steered array
[18:17] <DoYouKnow> yeah, that may be good for my dsn. If I get the noise off the LNA's down enough I may be able to do some beam steering to create a pencil beam
[18:17] <DoYouKnow> then have better noise on the antenna too
[18:18] <DoYouKnow> adamgreig: I want to receive DSN, but I don't want to locate a large dish outside
[18:18] <DoYouKnow> I want something a bit more portable
[18:19] <DoYouKnow> maybe a 9"x12" patch array, was what I was thinking
[18:19] <DoYouKnow> approx
[18:19] <DoYouKnow> should be able to have an efficiency*gain equal to that of a 1 meter dish
[18:20] <DoYouKnow> and you can receive some DSN on 1 meter
[18:20] <DoYouKnow> also, I built a helical, and am currently testing that
[18:21] <DoYouKnow> ok, maybe exxagerating a bit. more like 0.5 meter
[18:21] <DoYouKnow> *exaggerating
[18:21] <DoYouKnow> or 0.7 m
[18:22] <arko> bro, do you even communication theory?
[18:23] <DoYouKnow> arko: well, there's some coding gain with all the DSN craft too
[18:23] <DoYouKnow> but I'm just looking at receiving some signal about noise on an FFT, atm
[18:23] <DoYouKnow> *above noise
[18:24] <fsphil> I started playing with satellite stuff yesterday
[18:24] <fsphil> started with the strong signals, http://i.imgur.com/3lf5BpY.png
[18:24] <fsphil> beacon from the astra satellites at 19,2deg
[18:24] <fsphil> not long until I can hear voyager
[18:25] <DL1SGP> you are on a good way fsphil :)
[18:25] <adamgreig> DoYouKnow: electronically beamforming a substantial patch array is quite tricky I think, though I guess a fixed pattern on a rotator is an option
[18:25] <adamgreig> but there's a reason the DSN receivers are all huge dishes rather than small patch arrays..
[18:26] <DoYouKnow> yeah, I'll try to figure it out. I know it will be tricky
[18:26] <DoYouKnow> one step at a time
[18:27] <DoYouKnow> NE3511 LNA and the MGF4919 LNA
[18:27] <DoYouKnow> ^ got to build
[18:27] <DoYouKnow> and work on some basic patch arrays
[18:27] <DoYouKnow> without beamforming
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[18:29] <PE2BZ> fsphil with a normal LNB to SDR I guess ?
[18:29] <DoYouKnow> I see a really strong PSK signal near 8436, I think it's from a GEOstationary satellite
[18:29] <DoYouKnow> 8436 MHz
[18:29] <DoYouKnow> I'm not sure the real freq is 8436 MHz yet
[18:29] <DoYouKnow> but it's either that or some kind of image
[18:29] <PE2BZ> DoYouKnow my BladeRF stops at 3.6 GHz ;-)
[18:29] <DoYouKnow> it's definitely pretty high up there, though
[18:30] <DL1SGP> heh PE2BZ :)
[18:30] <DoYouKnow> PE2BZ: this is with a mixer
[18:30] <fsphil> PE2BZ: yeah. it's quite neat. there's a few narrow band telemetry signals at 19.2
[18:30] <PE2BZ> I have to move... Find space for a 2 meter dish....
[18:30] <DoYouKnow> I am using 2 LNAs right now, the first stage LNA is a PLL321s-2 I soldered some SMA connectors to, the 2nd stage is a triquint TQPM board
[18:30] <PE2BZ> But the wife says ¨No...¨
[18:31] <fsphil> not sure if there's anything else in the ku band I can hear
[18:31] <fsphil> it's probably all dvb
[18:31] <DL1SGP> I know where I could get a 2m dish (used) but would have the same space issue PE2BZ :P maybe we should meet in the middle, too bad that I am not living closer to NL
[18:31] <PE2BZ> there where plans for an X-band satellite, with 10 GHz down and 2.4 GHz up
[18:32] <DoYouKnow> in front of those 2 LNAs is a RHCP helical antenna
[18:32] <DoYouKnow> in back of them, there is a Watkins-Johnson mixer
[18:32] <fsphil> I wish SDRs had appeared before analogue video stopped
[18:32] <PE2BZ> DL1SGP my parents in law live in the middle. On the Dutch side near Nordhorn.
[18:32] <DoYouKnow> the RHCP helical is designed for 8440 MHz
[18:32] <fsphil> they're more interesting than dvb
[18:32] <DoYouKnow> I built it
[18:32] <PE2BZ> DoYouKnow that´s a nice setup !
[18:33] <DoYouKnow> thanks PE2BZ :)
[18:33] <PE2BZ> Any pictures ?
[18:35] <PE2BZ> fsphil https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-R/space/workshops/2015-prague-small-sat/Presentations/Eshail-2.pdf
[18:35] <miek> fsphil: just generate it yourself http://i.imgur.com/eFfAuQz.jpg :)
[18:36] <PE2BZ> fsphil Latest launch information is Q1/2017.
[18:37] Action: PE2BZ is wondering if he still may listen to the BBC now...
[18:37] <PE2BZ> miek no thunderbirds movies ?
[18:37] <fsphil> miek: nice :) I've done something similar, little program for ffmpeg > hackrf pal/ntsc
[18:37] <fsphil> not figured out secam yet
[18:37] <DoYouKnow> PE2BZ: http://i.imgur.com/C2beTN1.jpg
[18:38] <DoYouKnow> the green board is a signal generator
[18:38] <fsphil> I should've got that telescopic antenna
[18:38] <DoYouKnow> it goes to a doubler
[18:38] <DoYouKnow> the doubler goes to the mixer for the LO
[18:39] <PE2BZ> DoYouKnow that does not look to complicated. And the helical goes into a dish, or just pointed to the sky / satellite ?
[18:39] <DoYouKnow> PE2BZ: it's pointed to the sky, normally
[18:39] <DoYouKnow> but it should be able to receive reflections as well
[18:40] <DoYouKnow> eg. LHCP----reflection----->RHCP
[18:40] <DoYouKnow> LHCP----reflection----->RHCP---reflection---LHCP----reflection---RHCP
[18:41] <PE2BZ> I am just not rich enough to quit working and do those things. If I quit working I have the time, but no money. If I work I have the money but not the time. Does that sound familiair ?
[18:41] <PE2BZ> fsphil I have fried my HackRF with PC grounding by USB and antenna cable to my antenna mast. I have the antenna left ;-)
[18:41] <DoYouKnow> PE2BZ: that's the cool thing about helicals, they not only receive their own polarization, but you can design the setup so that a reflection inverts the polarization
[18:42] <fsphil> aww
[18:42] <fsphil> yeah I'm paranoid about connecting the hackrf to anything
[18:43] <DoYouKnow> PE2BZ: I've got to get this thing outside :)
[18:43] <DoYouKnow> although I've been testing it inside
[18:43] <PE2BZ> I am lucky to have the Portapack attached. I can use it for hunting radiosondes and so. The USB pins on the large chip are fried. I did not know why. After frying my Airspy I suddenly realised something was in common.
[18:43] <DoYouKnow> should actually work fine outside,
[18:44] <DoYouKnow> really good, in fact
[18:44] <fsphil> tested the two grounds with a dmm?
[18:44] <fsphil> when I was trying the TV stuff I just used two small antennas to keep them isolated
[18:46] <DoYouKnow> path loss is only 10 dB through walls, so it should actually be working fine inside oto
[18:46] <DoYouKnow> *too
[18:46] <DoYouKnow> at least for nearby things
[18:46] <DoYouKnow> or even somewhat distance
[18:46] <PE2BZ> My antenna is grounded with lightning protection down to earth. My power outlets are not grounded. Now I have earthed the powerstrip to the central heating which is connected to eart 6 meters away. Have 0.1 Ohm earth resistance and > 1000 Amp current tested with earth meter.
[18:48] <PE2BZ> DoYouKnow my setup is indoor GSM UMTS logper (20 bucks) and modified 2.4 GHz downconverter where I removed the oscillator and ¨stole¨ the RF amplifier part. I receive L band on 1545.120 MHz with Jaero with the antenna indoor on the BladeRF. ALso Irridium, and Noaa 1544.500 signals.
[18:53] <PE2BZ> http://imgur.com/uqilQWl the logper
[18:58] <PE2BZ> http://imgur.com/a/tXPKj the antenna mounted and the converter which is converted to LNA for 1000 - 2500 MHz
[19:03] <PE2BZ> http://imgur.com/a/t3qNo and one image of the inside of the converter and a modified RS-92 radiosonde where I bypassed the SAW filters and mounted the unit in a tube outside for L-band reception. When connected to a RTL dongle I have about 70 miles radius on ADSB
[19:03] <PE2BZ> And for now I am afk to give some attention to my wife ;-)
[19:04] <DoYouKnow> ok, cool
[19:04] <DoYouKnow> thanks for posting all that, really neat :)
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[19:05] <PE2BZ> Next time I hope to transmit them on SSDV in LoRa mode 1 ;-)
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[19:31] <AndyEsser> well that's annoying, was going to try and get wxtoimg set up tonight and see how well it works... but... last pass seems to be about 17.30
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[20:12] <Mark_B> Good evening
[20:13] <DL1SGP> Good evening Mark_B
[20:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MM8
[20:14] <Mark_B> Hi, I'm just going to upload a couple of sentences to check my tracker; keeping an eye open here too in case anyone asks who / what etc
[20:14] <Mark_B> MM8
[20:14] <Mark_B> Hurrah! She's alive
[20:15] <DL1SGP> Woot :)
[20:15] <Mark_B> :)
[20:16] <Mark_B> I'm getting the hang of this - at last ;)
[20:16] <DL1SGP> and soon she will be hanging below a balloon I hope :)
[20:20] <Mark_B> fingers crossed, yep
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[20:29] <Mark_B> Hello again, is anyone around who could approve a flight doc please?
[20:30] <daveake> Try #habhub
[20:31] <Mark_B> thanks daveake
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[20:40] <Mark_B> cheerio
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[20:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> Helo from the other side ;-)
[20:46] <SM0ULC-Reb> evening
[20:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> Hi Reb :-)
[20:58] <SM0ULC-Reb> trying to hunt VE3OCL with the company of 2.4 quadbiljons of mosquitos, but not much luck with wspr
[21:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CRAAG7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CRAAG7
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