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[07:13] <PE2BZ> Good morning. All antennas and equipment survived the thunderstorms ?
[07:14] <fsphil> there's more coming at you
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[07:18] <AndyEsser> morning
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[07:19] <fsphil> g'morn
[07:20] <AndyEsser> How are you on this fine morning fsphil ?
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[07:30] <PE2BZ> At the westcoast we had free light and energy between 02 and 03 and 05 and 06 this morning. I am glad that I had lightning ground installed when I moved in here....
[07:31] <SM0ULC-Reb> PE2BZ: stored any for the rest of the year?
[07:32] <PE2BZ> I have received about 22 Watthour from my solar panels last night. That´s all I could save ;-)
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[07:39] <fsphil> AndyEsser: the sun is out, I'm suspicious. I think nature is trying to tempt us outside and then turn on us
[07:41] <AndyEsser> if it tempts the young'uns out to vote, then I'm all for it
[07:41] <PE2BZ> Even the paths on the tracker.habhub.org have lightning shapes....
[07:41] <fsphil> true
[07:42] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:42] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03BARC 10(1c28), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[07:42] <PE2BZ> !payload 1c28
[07:42] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03BARC 10(1c28) 03$$BARC - 03PITS Test - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/910Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[07:50] <SM0ULC-Reb> PE2BZ: thought you had nice antennas to receive the energy... ;)
[07:57] <PE2BZ> SM0ULC-Reb They where all limited to 0.3 V peak peak
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[08:01] <fsphil> might get slightly higher than that
[08:03] <PE2BZ> Number 1 is on his bike to school. Short trousers, no coat, no towel...
[08:12] <gonzo__> lessons learned through hardship, are not easilly forgotten
[08:31] <pb0ahx> good morning to all
[08:32] <Vaizki> no towel?
[08:33] <gonzo__> he's not a hoopy frood then
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[08:33] <pb0ahx> !flight
[08:33] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:33] <pb0ahx> !flights
[08:33] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03BARC 10(1c28), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
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[08:41] <AndyEsser> daveake: "If we can avoid the Welsh hills" <- good luck :)
[08:42] <daveake> yeah :)
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[09:16] <Ron_g8fjg> looks like I lost one of my LNAs last night. Main antenna wound over to replace :-(
[09:17] <edmoore> won't be making any noise at all anymore
[09:18] <fsphil> ZNA
[09:18] <fsphil> tis why I don't like putting electronics up on the chimney
[09:19] <fsphil> pain to replace when they break
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[09:20] <AndyEsser> I need to try and find a ladder this weekend and mount my antenna
[09:20] <AndyEsser> want to try and receive dem NOAA images
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[09:22] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser the NOAA´s in the 137 MHz range ?
[09:22] <AndyEsser> 144
[09:22] <PE2BZ> Amateur or weather ?
[09:22] <AndyEsser> err ignore me
[09:22] <AndyEsser> 137 MHz yes
[09:22] <PE2BZ> ;-)
[09:23] <AndyEsser> 137.6200
[09:23] <AndyEsser> 137.9125
[09:23] <AndyEsser> 137.1000
[09:24] <PE2BZ> They fligh at about 500 - 600 km height. If your antenna is not to much troubled in elevated view then the height is not that important in my experience. On a pole in the backyard (further a way from man made noise) worked even better with the QFH 137 MHz antenna
[09:24] <AndyEsser> Yea, there's a fair amount of QRM around, which will likely give me crap images, but worth a try anyway
[09:25] <AndyEsser> guy I saw last night gets pretty good (minus pager noise) images from a 2m colinear
[09:25] <AndyEsser> I'd prefer to make a QFH or something and try it, but will see what I can get with this at least
[09:25] <Vaizki> I think AndyEsser is using a vertical X50 and not a QFH..
[09:25] <Vaizki> I lag.
[09:28] <fsphil> always worth a try
[09:29] <AndyEsser> yea
[09:29] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser for DIY most people prefer the turnstile which has comparable results
[09:29] <AndyEsser> but... it won't be worth a crap if I can't mount it high up
[09:29] <AndyEsser> the garden won't get enough visibility
[09:29] <AndyEsser> so... need to hunt down that ladder
[09:29] <fsphil> I setup a temporary TV for an event (poor sods wanted to watch football). I plugged the antenna in while it was on the ground pointing up, and got a perfect signal on all channels
[09:30] <fsphil> the plan was to put it up on the roof of the office but it worked no matter where I pointed it
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[09:31] <AndyEsser> looks like there are a few passes on Saturday, each lasting about 11 minutes, so should be able to try and get something at least
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[09:34] <Ron_g8fjg> The huge advantage of a tilt over tower/ the lnas are built for quick replacement. This one seems to have become a noise generator
[09:34] <edmoore> AndyEsser: get a scam mast?
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[09:35] <AndyEsser> trying to avoid spending much more money...
[09:35] <Ron_g8fjg> got the GPO equivalent in the lawn.
[09:36] <AndyEsser> edmoore: one of the guys at the radio club I was at yesterday is an electronic engineer. Very big into highly sensitve test equipment... I suspect he's going to be just as bad an influence as you are
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[09:37] <edmoore> you can't afford a VNA AndyEsser
[09:38] <edmoore> make peace with that now
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[09:38] <AndyEsser> Vector Analyser?
[09:38] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, http://www.ab4oj.com/test/images/lab_shack.jpg
[09:38] <AndyEsser> heheh
[09:38] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: basically
[09:39] <Vaizki> it's even worse for me, airspys are so small ;)
[09:40] <Ron_g8fjg> hey thats my shack ^ ^
[09:40] <edmoore> AndyEsser: vector network analayser
[09:40] <edmoore> the one thing i want
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[09:40] <Vaizki> yes a VNA would be great
[09:41] <Vaizki> well you can get a decent used one for 4k or so.. hngnghgh
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[09:41] <AndyEsser> 6GHz spectrum analyser... starting at $7220
[09:41] Action: AndyEsser closes Rigol website
[09:41] <AndyEsser> s/spectrum analyser/signal generator
[09:41] <Vaizki> I strongly recommend used RF test gear.. very strongly.
[09:42] <AndyEsser> Yea, I'm not completely insane
[09:42] <Vaizki> if I bought my stuff new I would have spent maybe 400k :)
[09:42] <Vaizki> then again, I would not have bought those if I bought new ;)
[09:43] <Vaizki> like this is my signal generator.. http://www.testequity.com/products/4517/
[09:43] <AndyEsser> ouch
[09:43] <Vaizki> but I paid < £500
[09:44] <AndyEsser> much better price :)
[09:44] <gonzo__> some of the newer stuff they can build far cheaper than the earlier stuff they is in the second hand market
[09:45] <gonzo__> so you can get a rigol specan with useable specs, for the price of a 90's tek/hp
[09:45] <Vaizki> gonzo__, the tek/hp is still probably better on phase noise etc..
[09:46] <Vaizki> depends on what you are going to use it for
[09:46] <gonzo__> would be interesting to see
[09:46] <gonzo__> though if it;s close in noise, then the specan is poss not the device to be using these days
[09:47] <edmoore> yeah for a VNA i'd go with a name-brand jobby
[09:50] <Vaizki> gonzo__, well the rigol specans are pretty crappy on phase noise unless you pay for the high GHz models
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[09:51] <Vaizki> my old R&S boxes are about -103 dBc/Hz at 10kHz off carrier.. Rigol entry level is -80 dBc/Hz
[09:52] <Vaizki> a semi-decent HP will be -110 or so
[09:52] <edmoore> the builtin specan on my scope is comaprable to the rigol specan
[09:54] <Vaizki> nice bonus that.. so you have 50 ohm inputs on it?
[09:54] <Vaizki> or switchable 1M/50 probably
[10:01] <mattbrejza> or separate specan input
[10:02] <edmoore> its'a a separate input
[10:02] <edmoore> N conenctor
[10:02] <edmoore> 50ohm
[10:02] <edmoore> 3Ghz BW
[10:03] <edmoore> ui locks up if you do 3GHz sweep with 1Hz BW but otherwise it's spelndid
[10:03] <Vaizki> oh.. very cool.
[10:04] <fsphil> some day
[10:04] <Vaizki> can you trigger the scope based on specan? :)
[10:04] <edmoore> no that's in the mdo4000 series
[10:04] <edmoore> you can use both features (scope and specan) at the same time
[10:04] <edmoore> mine is the MDO3104
[10:05] <Vaizki> mdo4k is not cheap
[10:05] <edmoore> nope
[10:05] <craag> mdo4000 is v nice - had a brief play with one in uni labs the other day
[10:05] <fsphil> might start a "get fsphil a spectrum analyser" kickstarter
[10:05] <craag> well, was briefly demo-ed it by mattbrejza
[10:06] <craag> scope + specan function is very cool
[10:06] <edmoore> i still need to get the logic analyser pod for mine
[10:06] <edmoore> costs more than a rigol 1054 annoyingly
[10:08] <Vaizki> I always use the saleae and never the rigol for LA..
[10:08] <edmoore> i tried LA on a rigol and it was bad
[10:08] <edmoore> it's quite nice on the tek
[10:08] <edmoore> when i borrowed a pod
[10:08] <edmoore> v fast
[10:08] <edmoore> and obviously can use it to trigger with everything else
[10:09] <mattbrejza> how many protocol decoders do you have?
[10:09] <Vaizki> sure, and triggers on a specific i2c command etc
[10:09] <edmoore> licenses for all of them
[10:09] <edmoore> there are two simultaneous built into the mdo3xxx
[10:09] <mattbrejza> ah, so you can trigger from a ethernet ip if needed
[10:09] <edmoore> i believe 4 on the 4xxxx
[10:10] <edmoore> yes i can
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[10:21] <edmoore> it also has a 50MHz arb function gen
[10:21] <edmoore> which is handy
[10:22] <Vaizki> Sample off the scope and replay out via arb?
[10:24] <edmoore> yep
[10:25] <edmoore> arb depth not massive tho
[10:27] <Vaizki> still costs 5x more than all my stuff combined :(
[10:29] <edmoore> aye, this was a nice deal for me
[10:29] <edmoore> no way i could have payed even 25% of the list price of all this stuff
[10:39] Nick change: michal_f -> michal_f_home
[10:39] Nick change: michal_f_wrk -> michal_f
[10:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
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[11:12] <craag> Possible sunrise launch from ~Basingstoke on saturday.
[11:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Riva_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Riva_chase
[11:15] <craag> ie launch at 5am ISH
[11:15] Nick change: SA6BSS-Mike|2 -> SA6BSS-Mike
[11:20] Nick change: rubdos_ -> rubdos
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[11:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
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[11:35] <PE2BZ> BARC is rising
[11:41] <PE2BZ> !payload BARC
[11:41] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03BARC 10(1c28) 03$$BARC - 03PITS Test - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/910Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[11:41] <gonzo__> what happened to it? Stuck somewhere overnight?
[11:41] <gonzo__> or have they recoverd and relaunched?
[11:42] <craag> gonzo__: another launch.
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[11:48] <mfa298> yay for correct information, oh maybe not. I make it .452 and 600Hz shift, not quite what looks to be in that payload doc
[11:49] <PE2BZ> 434.452 ?
[11:51] <AndyEsser> mfa298: *sigh*
[11:52] <mfa298> PE2BZ: that's where I have it on the radio
[11:53] <PE1ANS> !flights
[11:53] <SpacenearUS> 03PE1ANS: Current flights: 03BARC 10(1c28), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[11:54] <PE2BZ> thanks, See it weak on the waterfall
[11:54] <mfa298> I think CAEN_CP1 had the same shift issue, I'm guessing they're copying from the wrong pits payload doc
[11:54] <PE1ANS> Not yet here
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[12:00] <PE2BZ> still red, but: $$BARC, 674,11:59:1<13.#5¹6,½3w09$1212,0~2,12,23xº,4.q-!7U
[12:01] <AndyEsser> it's a start
[12:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0307455777377_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=07455777377_chase
[12:01] <mfa298> it's getting weaker for me, probably means it's too far east
[12:01] <mfa298> and annoyingly 300baud for telem only
[12:01] <AndyEsser> mfa298: damnit... now I want some chinese food
[12:02] <PE2BZ> mfa298 indeed does not make much sense...
[12:02] <Ian_> Nah, just sign up for Conference instead Andy
[12:02] <AndyEsser> Ian_: hmm?
[12:02] <PE2BZ> The track prediction looks like lightning strike
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[12:04] <AndyEsser> craag: no Intermediate exams at the conference?
[12:05] <Ian_> With a large number of holdouts it must make the organisers job very difficult
[12:06] <whiteg6> !flights
[12:06] <SpacenearUS> 03whiteg6: Current flights: 03BARC 10(1c28), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[12:10] <AndyEsser> Conference paid for, and hotel booked
[12:11] <PE1ANS> freq of BARC ??
[12:11] <Ian_> You 'might' just make it to my 'special list' Andy, well done
[12:12] <AndyEsser> "special list"? that sounds... unpleasant
[12:12] <DL1SGP> !dial BARC
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> 03DL1SGP: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(1c28): 03434.4511 MHz, 434.451199 MHz
[12:12] <PE1ANS> TNX
[12:12] <Ian_> Au contrair
[12:13] <AndyEsser> do most people travel down the night before?
[12:13] <pb0ahx> PE1ANS, op 434.452 hier
[12:13] <AndyEsser> (ie, will I miss out on social stuff if I head down on the Saturday?)
[12:14] <mattbrejza> everyone goes clubbing the night before
[12:14] <fsphil> HAB rave
[12:14] <AndyEsser> O good - I can miss that
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[12:14] <AndyEsser> :P
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[12:15] <Ian_> Hey fsphil, can quite figure out how there was 'too much'. You do realise that the best before date is a complete ish. A bad estimate on when new labels will be needed!
[12:16] <Ian_> If it granulates, give it a blip in the microwave
[12:16] <fsphil> oooh, that might have been all it was
[12:16] <fsphil> I thought it was going bad
[12:17] Action: PE2BZ realizes that suddenly the sky turns green in Holland. O no, it´s dl-fldigi
[12:17] <Ian_> Basically, It doesn't. Fermentation might be a problem, but that would be fairly rare!
[12:17] <Ian_> hic!
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[12:22] <edmoore> barc should have some nice photos of the peak district
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[12:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
[12:29] <Ian_> BARC pictures appear to have been taken from within a case, as witnessed by some abberations due to condensation or other blemishes, not untypical of acrylic perhaps?
[12:31] <Ian_> when the window is adversely illuminated by the sun.
[12:32] <fsphil> or something stuck to the lens
[12:33] <lz1dev> tracker protip: http://static.rgp.io/2016-06-23_xup7epdsqj.png
[12:34] <fsphil> that's what the F11 key is for :p
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[12:39] <lz1dev> doesnt hide the UI
[12:39] <lz1dev> this one is pretty good on mobile
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[12:45] <edmoore> nice
[12:46] <fsphil> aah yes map only
[12:46] <fsphil> that would be quite useful outside of full screen mode too
[12:47] <lz1dev> it would also help people printing OS maps ;>
[12:48] <craag> hehe
[13:01] <edmoore> pop
[13:04] <Laurenceb__> Musk Trolls Putin http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/21/11984548/hyperloop-one-moscow-announcement-magomedov
[13:04] <AndyEsser> payback for not selling him those ICBMs
[13:04] <Laurenceb__> at least ICBMs work
[13:05] <AndyEsser> and coming back down is part of their design :)
[13:08] <Ian_> That sounds like a bangs for buck$ comment :)
[13:08] <Upu> Hope BARC have paid their runway fee
[13:11] <Upu> Can hear it on the handheld inside
[13:15] <pb0ahx> that was it for me with BARC
[13:16] <pb0ahx> rnx BARC team
[13:16] <pb0ahx> rnx=tnx
[13:17] <lz1dev> .dial barc
[13:17] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(1c28): 03434.451271 MHz
[13:19] <edmoore> can you see it upu?
[13:19] <AndyEsser> for a moment I thought my house was receiving BARC according to Tracker, but realised it was Cheshire SDR instead
[13:19] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:20] <Upu> checking
[13:20] <Upu> too much cloud
[13:20] <lz1dev> i think the battery on my handheld is dead :(
[13:23] <Upu> giving the rotator a work out
[13:26] <edmoore> i can imagine!
[13:29] <Upu> really could do with going north a bit
[13:30] <Upu> and also about 10 miles from the international airport approach path
[13:31] <edmoore> there are definitely better landing spots
[13:32] <lz1dev> airports are the best landing spots for planes
[13:32] <Upu> currently no planes on approach
[13:33] <Upu> http://imgur.com/vwyLb70
[13:33] <AndyEsser> Upu: saw the balloon coming and grounded :)
[13:35] <Upu> gone
[13:35] <Upu> very sharp cut off
[13:35] <AndyEsser> hmm, was thinking that Halkyn (where I was last night) would be a good launch spot, but think it'll just launch the balloon into Mcr airspace :(
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[13:42] <edmoore> i hope they're close
[13:42] <edmoore> not ideal to have it hanging around on a roof or road for hours
[13:43] <Upu> they must have been pretty close as they uploaded a few packets low down
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[14:25] <flutterbat> so warm T_T
[14:25] <flutterbat> make it stahp
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[14:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0LCR-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0LCR-11
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[15:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-15 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-15
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[15:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03QM-SkyPi-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=QM-SkyPi-1
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[15:41] <AndyEsser> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7IEVTDjng
[15:41] <AndyEsser> new Noston Dynamics video
[15:41] <AndyEsser> Boston*
[15:43] <Ian_> Don't leave your nut and bolt burgers unattended folks !
[16:00] <AndyEsser> Right, ladder sourced for this weekend, I shall mount my antenna!
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[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKYBLUE1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKYBLUE1
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[17:05] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser I wish you good weather !
[17:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB9SKY-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB9SKY-11
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[17:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W1APX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W1APX-11
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[17:35] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: ta
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[17:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO6SOM-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO6SOM-8
[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9JHW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9JHW-11
[17:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LHW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LHW-11
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[18:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LDW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LDW-11
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[19:12] <JonnyAlpha> It was a long day yesterday and I may have already done this but a huge thank you to everyone that helped out with our flight yesterday, whether it was answering questions over the past few months, tracking yesterday or offering to help out.
[19:14] <JonnyAlpha> The payload was recovered around 17:00 yesterday by 3 of my Y6 computing club members and their mums (who volunteered to drive all the way to Wales) of course I was there helping them along.
[19:14] <JonnyAlpha> Downloaded the pics today and as you can see from HabHub we got some absolute belters!!
[19:15] <JonnyAlpha> Oh and now the local paper is finally showing some interest. Thanks to all of you :-)
[19:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Miser1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Miser1
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[20:10] <DoYouKnow> Anyone here build those compact Gps SDR's
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[20:10] <fsphil> more storms in holland: http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=12
[20:10] <craag> DoYouKnow: GPS SDRs?
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> GPS modules are ~$10 and cheap
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[20:11] <SpeedEvil> GPS modules are ~$10 and low power
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> getting a SDR system to do so is both going to be more expensive, as well as several orders of magnitude more power
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> (done naively)
[20:11] <fsphil> cool though
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[20:35] <DoYouKnow> SpeedEvil: can you recommend a USB GPS that can dump the raw data?
[20:35] <DoYouKnow> and is fairly good?
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[20:36] <DoYouKnow> for cheap
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> What are you trying to do
[20:36] <DoYouKnow> I want to download the ionospheric coverage maps
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> And what do you mean by raw
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> define "RAW data"
[20:36] <DoYouKnow> 50 bps data
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> There are no 'ionospheric coverage maps
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> any ublox does it
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> Are you perhaps meaning the ionospheric corrections broadcast by WAAS?
[20:37] <DoYouKnow> yeah, the phase delays
[20:37] <DoYouKnow> on the hemisphere
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[20:38] <LeoBodnar> what is "50bps dat"? nav data from GPS?
[20:38] <flutterbat> i see you havent heard of DoYouKnow before :D
[20:38] <miek> flutterbat: indeed :D
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> :/
[20:38] <flutterbat> /ignore seems to solve the problem
[20:38] <DoYouKnow> LeoBodnar: 50 bps telemetry
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> any ublox does it
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> what is "telemetry"?
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> navigation messages?
[20:39] <DoYouKnow> spacecraft health data
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> single bit?
[20:41] <DoYouKnow> no, it will tell you the reason as well
[20:41] <DoYouKnow> sometimes
[20:43] <Vaizki> there is no spoon
[20:43] <gonzo__> telem will be coning down elsewhere, prob SGLS
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> UBX-TRK-SFRBX contains raw navigation data
[20:44] <DoYouKnow> I have a ublox7 usb
[20:44] <DoYouKnow> it's not receiving very well right now
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> do you think its NAVSTAR problem or yours?
[20:47] <DoYouKnow> probably mine. I think it takes a few hours of running in a good environment to actually get going
[20:48] <DoYouKnow> cold start
[20:48] <DoYouKnow> this is a new dongle
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> probably uses 555 based TCXO
[20:51] <DoYouKnow> is there a way to troubleshoot that, LeoBodnar ?
[20:51] <DoYouKnow> I'd be interested in reading a good manufacturer gps troubleshooting guide
[20:51] <SM0ULC-Reb> LeoBodnar: long time no see!
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> check clock offset in ucenter
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> UBX-NAV-CLOCK
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> it shows local clock offset in ppm as "Clock drift"
[20:53] <LeoBodnar> hey SM0ULC-Reb
[20:53] <SM0ULC-Reb> LeoBodnar: been working hard i guess. any plans of more balloon-projects?
[20:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mg169706_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=mg169706_chase
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> not at the moment :)
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> lots of work work
[20:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DELORME - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELORME
[20:56] <SM0ULC-Reb> LeoBodnar: the gpsd seems like a great tool. hope to buy a couple for work after the summer. instead of 7000 euro software license for a ixia-gps
[20:57] <DoYouKnow> LeoBodnar: the clock bias is -1.6ms, is that bad?
[20:58] <LeoBodnar> bias does not matter, it's accumulated and corrected for
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> "drift" is actually clock shift
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> thanks SM0ULC-Reb i hope it is a useful tool
[21:02] <DoYouKnow> clock drift is 0
[21:08] <SM0ULC-Reb> LeoBodnar: i work with AES67 (high quality sound distribution over ip) which uses PTP as backbone. suddenly a lot of reqs of checks of reference frequence :)
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[21:10] <russss> wow, someone who actually uses PTP
[21:10] <russss> :P
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> we are doing NTP first before turning to PTP needs :)
[21:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CRAAG7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CRAAG7
[21:14] <russss> NTP is pretty good, PTP is a fairly exotic beast even among time nerds
[21:18] <DoYouKnow> so, if I found a way to dump an fft on the ublox7, would that be useful to add to one of the gps software for linux?
[21:18] <DoYouKnow> and what's the name of that gps program that lets you dump raw data from the gps and decodes frames?
[21:18] <DoYouKnow> cmdline
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> Upu and I are working on some NTP related stuff
[21:24] <SM0ULC-Reb> russss: yeah, a bit of a problem men doing nationwide (2000 km) PTP-synching with some of the networking stuff supporting it. but almost all new WAN and datacenter-stuff supports it
[21:24] <russss> never had any experience with the broadcast stuff, that's quite interesting
[21:26] <SM0ULC-Reb> russss: most of the older soundcompanies still have no or little clue how "normal" datanetworks works. it's quite a pain
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[21:27] <SM0ULC-Reb> russss: or, they have no clue about IT at all..
[21:28] <AndyEsser> What's IT?
[21:28] <SM0ULC-Reb> russss: it's like converting PSTN to IP, but the telcos only know sound nothing else :)
[21:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0DZX - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0DZX
[21:30] <SM0ULC-Reb> AndyEsser: you know, computers and stuff ;)
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[21:32] <AndyEsser> SM0ULC-Reb: what's computers?
[21:33] <Ian_> Information Technology, not that I think you don't know, but a plain answer is often best. Occam's razor etc!
[21:33] Nick change: Matthias -> matthias
[21:33] <AndyEsser> Yea, I was just being a pain :)
[21:34] <SM0ULC-Reb> mm
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[21:38] <nik996> Hi everyone
[21:39] <SM0ULC-Reb> hi
[21:39] <nik996> I'm trying to read data from ublox max m8 but it seems it doesn't work
[21:40] <nik996> Could it be possible that it doesn't work because I made a wrong connection with and?
[21:40] <nik996> Gnd*
[21:41] <LeoBodnar> try swapping TX and RX
[21:42] <nik996> It doesn't work unfortunately
[21:42] <nik996> I've already used before
[21:42] <nik996> And it worked
[21:43] <nik996> I notice a wrong connection maybe too late
[21:44] <nik996> But on datasheet of breakout I see 30V max on 5v pin
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[21:46] <nik996_> I connect gnd to 5v and 5v to my battery
[21:46] <nik996_> That is 10v
[21:47] <nik996_> Theorically it didn't damage the board
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[21:48] <nik996_> Is there anyone that knows datasheet of max m8?
[21:49] <LeoBodnar> a bit
[21:50] <nik996_> I bought the board for arduino
[21:50] <nik996_> From hab supplies
[21:51] <nik996_> And I read that theorically I don't damage the board until I apply more than 30v on 5v
[21:51] <nik996_> On 5v pin
[21:53] <nik996_> I noticed (unfortunately after connecting battery) that gnd was connected to 5v
[21:53] <LeoBodnar> well this is not MAX-M8 datasheet question
[21:53] <nik996_> But anyway the potential difference is less than 30v
[21:53] <nik996_> You're right
[21:53] <LeoBodnar> usually LDO dies first if reverse connected
[21:54] <LeoBodnar> but some LDO are reverse - protected
[21:54] <LeoBodnar> Upu is the man
[21:54] <LeoBodnar> but he is very busy atm
[21:54] <LeoBodnar> do you know LDO part number?
[21:55] <nik996_> No, but I search it now
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[21:57] <LeoBodnar> this one? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/HAB%20Supplies%20Datasheets/HAB-BO-M8Q.pdf
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[21:58] <Upu> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm3480.pdf
[21:59] <LeoBodnar> Input voltage (IN to GND) min -0.3v
[21:59] <Upu> nik996_: make sure you connect EN to 5V
[21:59] <daveake> Was about to post that
[21:59] <Upu> or the level convertor won't turn on
[22:01] <nik996_> The enable pin is to 5v
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[22:01] <Upu> ok should be good then
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[22:03] <nik996_> It doesn't work
[22:03] <Upu> Ok pop it back in the post to us we'll check it out and see if you've fried the LDO
[22:03] <Upu> Stick your order number in there somewhere pls
[22:04] <daveake> seems likely given the ldo spec and what seems to have happened to it
[22:04] <flutterbat> did you measure the voltages on the board?
[22:05] <nik996_> Now it's connected to an ftdi
[22:05] <nik996_> And I checked enable and 5v pin
[22:05] <nik996_> They are on 5V
[22:06] <flutterbat> i mean, did you measure the voltage output of the ldo
[22:06] <flutterbat> holy shit...the thunder just induced noise into my headphones :D
[22:07] <nik996_> I can try but it's small
[22:07] <nik996_> Now I'll try
[22:07] <fsphil> wish I was in holland right now. that storm looks amazing
[22:08] <flutterbat> fsphil: im experiencing it right now (1h away from NL border on the german side)
[22:08] <fsphil> it's all heading right for you
[22:08] <flutterbat> awezum
[22:08] <fsphil> oh my map didn't go far enough east
[22:09] <fsphil> the lightning in germany is worse than holland
[22:09] <flutterbat> im pretty sure power will turn of soon
[22:09] <fsphil> stay safe
[22:09] <russss> yeah there's been a lot over that area recently
[22:09] <flutterbat> meh im renting. for all i care the place can burn down
[22:10] <fsphil> http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=16
[22:10] <fsphil> lol
[22:10] <nik996_> 5v in -> 3.3v out from ldo
[22:10] <nik996_> It seems it works
[22:10] <nik996_> Wtf
[22:11] <flutterbat> im in the middle of the white :D
[22:12] <nik996_> Maybe the ftdi doesn't work
[22:12] <nik996_> Thanks to everyone
[22:13] <nik996_> Useful chat
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[22:32] <SM0ULC-Reb> fsphil: wow, a bit of lightning
[22:33] <russss> yeah, huge storm
[22:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STABILOTRON-II - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STABILOTRON-II
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[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ARY2 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ARY2
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