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[01:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CX1AA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CX1AA-11
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[05:25] <PE2BZ> !flights
[05:25] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03BENNY_1 10(4f0b), 03BARC 10(4dee), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
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[05:48] <x-f> !morning
[05:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> gm
[06:14] <Vaizki> morgen
[06:15] <Vaizki> or as my juice carton says Enjoy the Taste of God Morgon :)
[06:16] <Vaizki> I do see a pair of faint signals at 144.251.500 +1kHz..
[06:17] <DL1SGP> Good Morning
[06:17] <Vaizki> probably not the Signal We're Looking For
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[07:06] <fsphil> morn
[07:06] <DL1SGP> good morning fsphil
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[07:12] <craag> morning
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[07:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9IAC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9IAC-11
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[07:50] <Vaizki> haven't heard a beep from SP9UOB..
[07:52] <DL1SGP> sighs
[07:52] <x-f> i'm listening too, but nothing yet
[07:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP3MCY-9_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3MCY-9_chase
[08:02] <AndyEsser> morning all
[08:06] <daveake> morning one
[08:07] <gonzo__> morning two
[08:10] <DL1SGP> :)
[08:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Morning all, won't be around to track however as setting off shortly!
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[08:23] <SM0ULC-Reb> morrn all!
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[08:27] <JonnyAlpha> Caen_CP1 nearly setup waiting for a break in the weather
[08:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
[08:30] <edmoore> JonnyAlpha: get it up on the map?
[08:30] <edmoore> you want it on and transmitting and solid before inflating the balloon etc
[08:31] <edmoore> the gods of fate have fun with people who inflate the balloon before trying to get a gps lock
[08:31] <edmoore> oh it is!
[08:31] <edmoore> terribly sorry i'm totally blind
[08:32] <daveake> 20 hours ago ?
[08:33] <JonnyAlpha> Just about to star transmitting
[08:34] <edmoore> oh no i'm not blind
[08:34] <edmoore> yes
[08:34] <edmoore> what i said originally
[08:34] <daveake> :)
[08:34] <edmoore> get it up and locked
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[08:36] <mfa298> although if your not going to start inflating the balloon for 4 hours, there might not be much point having the payload going yet.
[08:39] <edmoore> the rain is passingh
[08:39] <edmoore> according to radar
[08:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CAEN_CP1 after 0320 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CAEN_CP1
[08:44] <edmoore> what is the best AV software for windows?
[08:44] <edmoore> norton seems to be counting all the free electrons in the universe as a background task whilst i'm trying to solidworks
[08:44] <AndyEsser> edmoore: paid or free?
[08:44] <edmoore> paid is fine
[08:44] <edmoore> something that isn't shit
[08:44] <AndyEsser> I'd recommend Sophos or ESET
[08:45] <AndyEsser> both have served me well over the years, have centralised management (good for me - less important for you I guess), don't cost a fortune
[08:45] <AndyEsser> and things like Mcaffee and Norton have either let me down, or consume resources like there's no tomorrow
[08:45] <edmoore> if solidworks would just release on a unixy platform i could die happy
[08:45] <AndyEsser> I would rather you hung around a little while after they released as well :)
[08:45] <AndyEsser> but I get your point :P
[08:46] <AndyEsser> brb
[08:46] <Vaizki> hung from the neck?
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[08:48] <Vaizki> terve OH3UW, hearing anything from SP9UOB?
[08:49] <SM0ULC-Reb> Aneone know what VE2WMG-11 uses for long range comms, wspr?
[08:50] <edmoore> solidworks litterally just closed and windows started restarting to install updates
[08:50] <edmoore> right in the middle of me doing something
[08:50] <edmoore> honestly
[08:50] <edmoore> do i just have bad luck?
[08:50] <edmoore> can windows really be the OS most people actually use?
[08:51] <SM0ULC-Reb> oh yes
[08:51] <mfa298> I've just relied on the built in AV/Antimalware in windows (what was MS Security Essentials) and that+common sense has been fine for me so far.
[08:51] Action: DL1SGP feels with edmoore
[08:51] <AndyEsser> edmoore: Windows 10?
[08:52] <JonnyAlpha> CAEN_CP1 We are having a discussion on whether to launch. My tracking team are now saying they will not be able to track it that far?
[08:52] <JonnyAlpha> Who else is tracking around that area?
[08:52] <JonnyAlpha> I am happy to hand over Mission Control and go and collect
[08:52] <edmoore> JonnyAlpha: you'll have listeners about but no guarantees like always
[08:53] <edmoore> but the flight path is pretty typical for a hab
[08:53] <edmoore> you're chasing it as soon as it launches right?
[08:53] <edmoore> so you should be able to stay in radio range
[08:53] <mfa298> JonnyAlpha: there will likely be people tracking it from their homes, But your team will likely have to do the last bit (If I receive it it's unlikely I hear anything under 1km altitude and possibly not even that)
[08:53] <daveake> The landing isn't far from here ... I should have it till it disappears below a hill
[08:54] <AndyEsser> I'd set up my antenna at lunch time (depending on launch time) but them pesky Shropshire hills will get in the way
[08:54] <edmoore> AndyEsser: 7 i think
[08:54] <AndyEsser> edmoore: I'd recommend changing your Windows Updates options to either Not Download, or Download only and Prompt
[08:54] <AndyEsser> by default it's Download and Install
[08:55] <JonnyAlpha> We are 50 / 50 but need to make a decision otherwise the weather will be on us
[08:55] <edmoore> literally the defauklt is sto restart on you?
[08:55] <edmoore> is to*
[08:55] <AndyEsser> edmoore: if you've ignored it long enough :P
[08:55] <AndyEsser> windows 10 is worse because you don't get a choice
[08:55] <daveake> JonnyAlpha: It's a perfectly normal beast ^h^h^h^h^h flight path
[08:55] <AndyEsser> it's my one gripe with Windows 10
[08:55] <edmoore> JonnyAlpha: this looks like a nominal flight
[08:55] <AndyEsser> *shudders*
[08:55] <edmoore> if you can't do this then you can't hab
[08:56] <edmoore> you're not going to get anything dramatically different on another day
[08:56] <daveake> One where you're unlikely to be near it at landing perhaps, but that doesn't really matter
[08:56] <edmoore> it's going northeast about 100ish miles - that's about par for the course
[08:56] <JonnyAlpha> Understood!!
[08:56] <mfa298> I tend to set to download and prompt for updates (must find the similar setting in win 10 pro - there is a bit of control still)
[08:56] <daveake> The last position (from me, or the Hereford station) will be plenty good enough
[08:56] <AndyEsser> mfa298: I haven't been able to find it
[08:56] <mfa298> AndyEsser: I think its only in Pro
[08:57] <edmoore> windows 10 restarts on you without giving you a choice!?
[08:57] <AndyEsser> mfa298: I run Pro
[08:57] <mfa298> I think the non Pro you can tell it to delay an hour, but not much more than that
[08:58] <edmoore> that's horrifying
[08:58] <edmoore> i mean i know you don't use windows for anything that matters
[08:58] <AndyEsser> mfa298: http://imgur.com/VtSLKey
[08:58] <edmoore> but this pushes it into not using it for stuff that doesn't matter territory
[08:58] <Upu> I wouldn't recommend using it full stop
[08:59] <mfa298> For the bulk of people I think it's proboably a good thing, The number of machines where people turned off updates and are virus overrun is horrifying
[08:59] <AndyEsser> mfa298: yep agreed
[08:59] <AndyEsser> it wouldn't be a problem if my PC wasn't on 24/7
[08:59] <AndyEsser> and it's not been a problem even then since I've basically stopped using my PC (other than for RDP home, and file serving)
[08:59] <edmoore> i can just imagine this on the rocket rig control PC
[08:59] <AndyEsser> but I've had it basically tell me "I'm restarted - tough sh*t"
[08:59] <edmoore> retsarting in the middle of a burn
[08:59] <nigelp> I'm in Hereford I should be able to rx until its quite low
[08:59] <AndyEsser> restarting*
[09:00] <AndyEsser> edmoore: had something similar on the Discovery channel doc I worked on
[09:00] <mfa298> AndyEsser: you found that faster than I managed
[09:00] <mfa298> that's possibly my gripe with win10 is finding the useful settings is hard.
[09:00] <AndyEsser> the laptop we were using to plot data from the spectrum analyser decided just after the helicopter took off it needed to install updates
[09:00] <AndyEsser> mfa298: Press Start -> type "Windows Update" -> Press Enter
[09:00] <AndyEsser> wait for screen, then click Advanced Settings
[09:02] <mfa298> AndyEsser: I was trying to go via control panel :(
[09:02] <AndyEsser> mfa298: since Windows 7 it's always easier just to type-search on the start screen
[09:03] <AndyEsser> it seems to be one the features many users don't know about, which is why there was a big hoo har about the start screen in windows 8 etc
[09:03] <AndyEsser> Can't remember the last time I manually looked for and click an item in the start menu
[09:03] <mfa298> I know it's there, just horribly slow on my netbook
[09:03] <craag> AndyEsser: So that's basically the same as opening a terminal and using it to launch the gui you want? :P
[09:03] <edmoore> AndyEsser: horrifying
[09:05] <AndyEsser> thankfully at new job, I will be working in Linux native :)
[09:05] <AndyEsser> no more virtual machines
[09:06] <AndyEsser> unrelated
[09:06] <AndyEsser> have found an even closer radio club that has assessors up to full licenses :)
[09:07] <edmoore> nice
[09:07] <AndyEsser> JonnyAlpha: What's the verdict? launching?
[09:07] <AndyEsser> heading over tonight - they do it from a golf club, but apparently the club is a bit anal about antennas, so they control a remote rig up at the top of a mountain
[09:10] <edmoore> i took a photo i was so horrified, dropbox has just popped up to remind me
[09:10] <edmoore> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1n8xnj16tiecxml/2016-06-22%2009.48.29.jpg?dl=0
[09:10] <edmoore> this was us looking at cad 1 minute before
[09:11] <AndyEsser> ha
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[09:11] <daveake> Reminds me of this ... http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/P1080101.jpg
[09:13] <edmoore> it really is a carbunkle
[09:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G6SQX _chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G6SQX%20_chase
[09:14] <fsphil> 10 is worse in every way
[09:14] <edmoore> i have little sympathy with steve jobs but he was right about the 'taste' thing
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[09:15] <Vaizki> indeed...
[09:15] <Vaizki> and 10 is much better than 8 to be fair.. and 7 is soon EOL so just suck it up
[09:16] <AndyEsser> my only issue with 10 is the update nonsense
[09:16] <AndyEsser> other than that, I have no real gripes with it
[09:16] <AndyEsser> (within the confines of it being windows)
[09:16] <Vaizki> I resisted as long as I could but succumbed 3 weeks ago to the 10
[09:17] <Vaizki> have you tried using the group policy editor to disable updates?
[09:17] <mfa298> Linux has some issues with updates as well though. People update so thing they're secure but don't reboot so are still running that dodgy kernel from last year (* ok last remote kernel bug might have been longer ago than that, but they do occur)
[09:17] <Vaizki> or they're still running that openssh daemon...
[09:17] <AndyEsser> mfa298: *cough* http://imgur.com/epYjgEb
[09:17] <AndyEsser> :P
[09:18] <WillDWork> ksplice - it kicks ass for online kernel updates
[09:20] <fsphil> Vaizki: I've only installed 8 once, and it didn't install candy crush by default. so 8 wins over 10
[09:20] <fsphil> never ever thought I'd be defending windows 8
[09:20] Action: fsphil feels dirty
[09:20] <AndyEsser> fsphil: at least go to 8.1?
[09:20] <fsphil> nah I'm sticking with 7 here in the office
[09:20] <edmoore> mfa298: i dunno, the issues don't seem to be in the same class as windows\
[09:21] <edmoore> an issue on my linux box at work is when i have to restart it once every 3-4 months maybe
[09:21] <AndyEsser> up to 33 days on my linux box here, no reason to restart it any time soon
[09:21] <AndyEsser> although... guess I'll need to shut it down when I leave...
[09:21] <fsphil> my laptop has a faulty lid switch/sensor so it gets rebooted every day :)
[09:22] <fsphil> I like to reboot my servers if there's an important update been applied, just to make sure it comes back up
[09:22] <edmoore> yes it's probably good practice to restart periodically to check it all still works
[09:23] <fsphil> I used to be all about the uptime, but not so much these days
[09:23] <DL1SGP> yeah I do that as well, else reboots occur through blown fuses or power outages :)
[09:23] <mfa298> edmoore: my gripe is more the people, oh look it's Linux so it's secure, doesn't matter that it's running ubuntu 8.04 and hasn't been rebooted in 5 years.
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[09:23] <edmoore> but it's not like when i'm at a customers and the engineer i'm working with calls IT saying 'it's hung again today... shall i just call you every time this happens? or... yep... ok i'll carry on.... yep i'll restart'
[09:23] <AndyEsser> fsphil: uptime!!
[09:23] <edmoore> it's just life for him
[09:24] <Jerry> ! BARC
[09:24] <fsphil> uptime is not all that important. there I said it :p
[09:24] <AndyEsser> :O
[09:24] <AndyEsser> HEATHEN
[09:24] <Jerry> !dial Barc
[09:24] <SpacenearUS> 03Jerry: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(4dee): 03434.649663 MHz
[09:24] <edmoore> our electricity at work isn't solid enough for months of uptime
[09:24] <edmoore> the important stuff is on a UPS but the office PCs aren't
[09:24] Action: AndyEsser imagines power cut just as about to start a test of the rocket
[09:25] <edmoore> 10:24 <edmoore> the important stuff is on a UPS but the office PCs aren't
[09:25] <Vaizki> isn't windows 7 already "out of support"? meaning the home versions etc don't even get security updates.. the pro versions get updates for a few years still I guess
[09:25] <mfa298> edmoore: that sounds as much an issue of poor hardware than Windows. I think I blue screened my netbook once on win 10, when I was asking it to do something and i5 might struggle with
[09:25] <fsphil> Vaizki: not yet
[09:25] <fsphil> well dunno about the home version
[09:25] <edmoore> JonnyAlpha: latest?
[09:26] <edmoore> mfa298: it was some kind of license server thing they think
[09:26] <edmoore> (just the name 'license server' screams 'this is a terrible idea' to me)
[09:26] <Vaizki> fsphil, hmm ok well for the pro versions at least it seems January 14, 2020 is the end of support
[09:26] <fsphil> not bad
[09:26] <Vaizki> so 3.5 years
[09:26] <fsphil> I'll probably switch to fedora before then, keep the windows dev stuff in a VM
[09:27] <fsphil> though that can be slow
[09:27] <mfa298> I think license servers on any platform give people headaches and sleepless nights.
[09:28] <mfa298> I think most of them were designed for a real *nix back in the 70's and havn't changed much since then
[09:32] <edmoore> it's a shame fedora is called fedora
[09:32] <edmoore> all the neckbeard atheist associations
[09:34] <edmoore> both barc and caen have bitten the dust?
[09:43] <daveake> Both still txing
[09:43] <daveake> caen pix are upside-down ... dunno if the payload is or not
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[09:47] <edmoore> oh
[09:47] <edmoore> habhub page had died in my browser
[09:47] <edmoore> stopped updating
[09:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03alyssa_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=alyssa_chase
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[09:52] <JonnyAlpha> CAEN_CP1 in the air!!
[09:53] <edmoore> congrats
[09:53] <edmoore> get chasing!
[09:55] <DL1SGP> woot! congrats for CAEN_CP1 launch
[09:56] Action: DL1SGP likes the clean setup on the launchpad, erverything has its place
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[09:57] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:57] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03BARC 10(4dee), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
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[09:57] <pb0ahx> !dial 4dee
[09:57] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(4dee): 03434.2505 MHz, 434.649882 MHz, 434.64952 MHz, 434.649663 MHz
[09:58] <Jerry> !dial 41dd
[09:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Jerry: Latest dials for 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd): 03444.48 MHz, 2000.438977 MHz
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[10:17] <daveake> ffs one day BARC will use the correct frequency in their payload doc
[10:18] <daveake> Wondered why there was nothing
[10:19] <mfa298> it had to be too good to be true when they appeared with a already tested flight doc yesterday :p
[10:19] <AndyEsser> :)
[10:20] <daveake> hah :)
[10:29] <Vaizki> I still have persistent lines on the waterfall.. at 1kHz apart where SP9UOB should be.. but no contestia between them :)
[10:30] <Vaizki> it's like listening to static.. you start hearing cw when there isn't any..
[10:32] <daveake> Wait till you get tinnitus then you don't even need a radio :/
[10:33] <edmoore> do/did you have tinnitus daveake?
[10:34] <daveake> do yes
[10:34] <edmoore> bugger
[10:35] <daveake> whilst it's always there it's not at the "can't ignore it" stage
[10:36] <daveake> Well, I can ignore it except when I've just thought about it :/
[10:36] <dbrooke> same here, wasn't noticing it until just now, for some reason 8-)
[10:37] <edmoore> sorry
[10:37] <daveake> no I mentioned it!
[10:37] <dbrooke> yeah, I blame daveake, not edmoore
[10:38] <daveake> :)
[10:38] <edmoore> a happy change
[10:39] Action: dbrooke turns the radio volume up
[10:39] <Vaizki> I blame edmoore for spending 20 euros a piece on toggle switches again :(
[10:39] <edmoore> i make no apologies
[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CAEN_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CAEN_chase
[10:39] <edmoore> good toggle switches are a life enhancer
[10:39] <Vaizki> I expect none
[10:40] <Vaizki> especially since it's for an open cockpit boat and safety stuff (running lights)
[10:40] <dbrooke> they're probably wired up with reassuringly expensive wire too
[10:40] <AndyEsser> I blame edmoore for many reasons I spend a fortune
[10:40] <edmoore> i bring out the best in people
[10:40] <Vaizki> and the wallets
[10:40] <Vaizki> maybe that's our best bit then!
[10:41] <fsphil> I'm poor but I can measure voltages and resistance very accuratly
[10:41] <AndyEsser> fsphil: :)
[10:41] <edmoore> you are rich in the ways that matter
[10:57] <dbrooke> Vaizki: which switch did you get?
[11:04] <Vaizki> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/OTTO/T7-211A1/
[11:05] <Vaizki> that's the "low cost" option..
[11:07] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: what makes them so much better and worth the money?
[11:08] <Vaizki> edmoore said so
[11:08] <AndyEsser> Enough said
[11:08] <AndyEsser> :)
[11:09] <edmoore> the T-7s are slightly lower cost than the T9s which i use when someone else is paying
[11:09] <edmoore> they're both sealed to ip67
[11:09] <Vaizki> I've replaced those basic "marine" switches twice already.. and when they fail either my running lights don't work or it drains the battery by leaking
[11:09] <edmoore> they are rated for lots of cycles
[11:09] <edmoore> the internal contacts are well plated
[11:09] <Vaizki> I don't need huge amounts of cycles but I don't want to replace those ever again
[11:12] <edmoore> these are all T9s http://i.imgur.com/Uiw40il.jpg
[11:12] <edmoore> can't really tell from above
[11:13] <edmoore> you see the red glands that do the environmental sealing
[11:13] <AndyEsser> pretty
[11:15] <edmoore> those switch guards are nice too
[11:15] <dbrooke> nice
[11:16] <Vaizki> shuttle switch guards :)
[11:16] <edmoore> yep
[11:17] <dbrooke> I had the cheap no-name light switch in my Land Rover melt the other evening, I've replaced with an OEM one for twice the price but will be well worth it if it last more than a year
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[11:20] <edmoore> this pdf describes an approach nasa took to designing control panels on apollo http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/tnD7919DsplysCntrls.pdf
[11:20] <edmoore> this has a load of space shuttle panel line diagrams if you want to see the above in action http://www.spaceshuttleguide.com/system/communications.htm
[11:20] <edmoore> serves as a good style guide
[11:20] <Vaizki> I do like the fact that the Otto switches don't need a boot for IP67
[11:20] <AndyEsser> ta, that's my lunch time reading sorted
[11:21] <AndyEsser> since I forgot to bring my book :(
[11:22] <Vaizki> previous switches on that boat were Blue Sea and they are IP67 with the "weather boot" or something like that.. but the boots didn't last. I think birds found they smelled nice because my console was covered in shit all the time after installing them ;)
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[11:27] <pb0ahx> !flights
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03BARC 10(4dee), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd), 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32)
[11:27] <pb0ahx> !dial 41dd
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03CAEN_CP1 10(41dd): 03444.48 MHz, 434.2505 MHz, 434.250648 MHz, 434.25131 MHz, 434.25 MHz
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[11:29] <DL1SGP> hmm BARC in a tree?
[11:30] <AndyEsser> BARCing up the wrong tree?
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[11:32] <mattbrejza> caen chase better get a move on
[11:36] <daveake> They need warp factor 10, but their car caenna take it
[11:36] <JonnyAlpha> yeh we had some delays, i wasnt supposed to be chasing!!
[11:36] <daveake> whereabouts are you?
[11:36] <pb0ahx> Caen-CP1 531.8km from here nice
[11:36] <daveake> and is the payload upside down, or just the camera ?
[11:37] <JonnyAlpha> I am CAEN_CHASE
[11:37] <daveake> Oh
[11:37] <DL1SGP> heh
[11:37] <JonnyAlpha> Last minute job last night supposed to rotate camera
[11:37] <daveake> Or adjust in pisky.txt
[11:37] <JonnyAlpha> but forgot
[11:38] <JonnyAlpha> yeh n pisky.txt
[11:38] <pb0ahx> never mind the pictures are great
[11:38] <daveake> I don't think anyone has ever used the option, aside from me
[11:38] <daveake> burst btw
[11:38] <daveake> 32.5km
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[11:41] <fsphil> good number of stations today
[11:41] <JonnyAlpha> It was on the todo list :-(
[11:41] <JonnyAlpha> Descent rate too fast??
[11:41] <daveake> nah looks fine
[11:42] <JonnyAlpha> We have another car with us, what ios app can they use?
[11:43] <JonnyAlpha> -21.9m/s ???
[11:43] <fsphil> yeah no worries. thin air up there
[11:43] <daveake> Thin air = high speed. It's fine.
[11:44] <mfa298> JonnyAlpha: have a look for habhub in the app store, there might be one still (I think the author had issues with it getting removed sometiems though)
[11:44] <AndyEsser> JonnyAlpha: it'll slow down when it gets to lower altitudes
[11:44] <JonnyAlpha> OK :-)
[11:44] <mfa298> also I think the tracker map will upload your location if you enable it
[11:44] <daveake> When it hits 20km, read off the descent rate, divide by 4, and that's roughly the landing speed
[11:45] <daveake> So you're pretty much on the mark for 5m/s
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[11:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Hamishzacandollie_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Hamishzacandollie_chase
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[12:06] <JonnyAlpha> test
[12:06] <AndyEsser> test
[12:07] <JonnyAlpha> Sorry phone siginal cut out.
[12:07] <JonnyAlpha> Anyone got any NO2 need to get a move on.
[12:08] <daveake> Don't panic - it's going to land waaaay before you get there
[12:09] <daveake> Happy to go out get a landing fix if you need
[12:09] <mattbrejza> can you even get NO2 easily anymore...
[12:09] <daveake> Though nigelp will probably have it down to just before landing
[12:09] <AndyEsser> o look... Knighton... that looks familiar
[12:10] <adamgreig> mattbrejza: yea it's not too bad, so long as you don't look like a drug abusing teenager
[12:10] <adamgreig> the guidance notes on this are terrible
[12:11] <JonnyAlpha> Dave - any help would be great, the oringinal chase team pulled out at the last minute :-(
[12:11] <mattbrejza> oh right
[12:11] <adamgreig> they specifically give the example of a white middle aged man at lunch time buying no2 as being not suspicious and fine, but a teenager clearly inebriated and at night time trying to score a load of no2 as someone not to sell to
[12:11] <mattbrejza> because thats when gas shops open
[12:11] <adamgreig> but seem to forget that a) middle aged people can 100% be using recreational drugs b) teens don't tend to go buying no2 while high c) the internet
[12:12] <adamgreig> mainly (c)
[12:12] <mattbrejza> does the same apply to other legal highs? :P
[12:12] <adamgreig> yea
[12:12] <adamgreig> well
[12:12] <adamgreig> most legal highs are now actually illegal I think?
[12:12] <JonnyAlpha> I have setup in my car with radio and mag mount. lost signal now though
[12:12] <adamgreig> it's just the things like no2 where they don't make them illegal but have made it a crime to supply it to people likely to be using it recreationally
[12:12] <JonnyAlpha> I have a hand Yagi
[12:13] <mattbrejza> well only in the same way NO2 is
[12:13] <mattbrejza> oh right
[12:13] <adamgreig> no I mean the various canaboids and other synthetic drugs
[12:13] <JonnyAlpha> tTwo hand Yaggis and 2 x Radios.
[12:13] <Vaizki> adamgreig, yea we have shops here that will sell you a cream siphon and 1000 no2 cartridges..
[12:13] <adamgreig> which were previously legal despite having basically the same effect, because of a novel chemical structure
[12:13] <Vaizki> for the serious whipped cream enthusiast
[12:13] <adamgreig> Vaizki: yea so do we
[12:13] <adamgreig> now they have to work on the whipped cream angle even harder is all
[12:14] <mattbrejza> i thought it was all covered by the same law
[12:14] <Vaizki> whipped cream starter kit with 300 capsules
[12:14] <Vaizki> :D
[12:14] <JonnyAlpha> getting intermittent signals
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[12:15] <Vaizki> cream cook club! costs 1000 euros to join, free gift of 3 siphons + 1800 capsules delivered to your home
[12:15] <Vaizki> creative..
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[12:24] <JonnyAlpha> daveake, are you the last one receiving it?
[12:24] <daveake> No
[12:24] <daveake> That's G1DYQ in Hereford
[12:24] <JonnyAlpha> does G1DYQ have a fix?
[12:25] <daveake> So far yes
[12:25] <nigelp> Yes till strong
[12:25] <nigelp> still
[12:25] <JonnyAlpha> Ah ok so at least we have someone iis that you nigelp
[12:25] <nigelp> yes
[12:26] <daveake> 500m to go
[12:26] <DL1SGP> your station is doing a great job, nigelp :)
[12:26] <daveake> It'll be a field
[12:26] <JonnyAlpha> just off the A4112
[12:26] <JonnyAlpha> I left my crampons behind anyway :-)
[12:27] <nigelp> Last partial $$CAEN_CP1,384,122>12,5217497,-2.86819,00194,14,33,12,18.8*69
[12:29] <daveake> I'm happy to go out, but that looks like it's safe in a field, and not far from the road so you'll get a signal when you get there
[12:29] <DL1SGP> nice area for landing :)
[12:32] <JonnyAlpha> No worries daveake - I can get the kids to use the hand helds :-)
[12:32] <daveake> cool, standing down then :)
[12:32] <JonnyAlpha> Immersive teaching and learning.
[12:33] <JonnyAlpha> Thanks everyone its been emotional !! Cant wait to look at all the pics (and rotate them). Looks like we got spome good ones.
[12:34] <nigelp> Best of luck with the recovery. I'm off for lunch.
[12:34] <JonnyAlpha> We launch on our sports day, 400 children around the tarpaulin watching me and my son fill and tie a baloon - no pressure!!
[12:34] <JonnyAlpha> Thanks nigelp
[12:35] <Darkside> JonnyAlpha: oh yeah, done that one
[12:35] <Darkside> always fun
[12:35] <DL1SGP> It looked lovely how they were gathering around the launch zone JonnyAlpha ... over here such events do not create too much public interest
[12:35] <AndyEsser> JonnyAlpha: filling a balloon with no pressure? seems like a bad attempt :)
[12:35] <gonzo__> a zero presure balloon?
[12:36] <JonnyAlpha> Andy I was waiting for that one
[12:36] <AndyEsser> JonnyAlpha: :)
[12:36] <DL1SGP> :)
[12:36] <AndyEsser> it was too good to leave
[12:36] <Vaizki> seems even worse to launch with superpressure? ;)
[12:38] <cm13g09> If we're not careful this run of jokes will balloon out of control.....
[12:38] <AndyEsser> Don't burst the enthusiasm
[12:38] <AndyEsser> JonnyAlpha: I'm taking bets that the payload landed in the brook :)
[12:38] <fsphil> once you pop, you can't stop (falling)
[12:38] <JonnyAlpha> AndyEsser - Dont say that
[12:39] <JonnyAlpha> Very close will do!!
[12:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Zachamishandollie_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Zachamishandollie_chase
[12:39] <Vaizki> or hanging above it from the branches
[12:39] <fsphil> at an easily eachable height
[12:40] <fsphil> that almost never happens
[12:42] <DL1SGP> as long as there are no goats...
[12:42] <x-f> it happened to us on the first launch - in a thick forest, hanging at a waist height
[12:42] <DL1SGP> that farm like structure hase a tennis court hmm
[12:43] <DL1SGP> and a pool and a trampoline
[12:45] <fsphil> many hab points for landing on the trampoline
[12:45] <daveake> once
[12:46] <DL1SGP> Last payload I recovered from the trees was Oernen-II F2 *sighs* last payload recovered had nothing attached to hang in tree
[12:50] <x-f> amazing how you heard it with a damaged antenna and on the ground
[12:50] <x-f> was it aprs only?
[12:51] <DL1SGP> negative, it was APRS and Voice Pos Beacon
[12:51] <AndyEsser> I need to find a contract that pays me to do embedded stuff - so unbelievably bored of web application nonsense :(
[12:52] <DL1SGP> final position I got was through the voice beacon, faint signal but audible
[12:52] <fsphil> embedded is rather fun
[12:52] <x-f> ah, that was tath woman'svoice somebody mentioned :)
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[12:57] <DL1SGP> it was the voice of one of the school-project participants of 2014 launch, yes...
[12:58] <daveake> JonnyAlpha That first chase car isn't using the quickest route
[12:58] <Vaizki> DL1SGP, umm voice beacon? reading out coordinates?
[12:58] <daveake> I'm guessing he doesn't want to pay the bridge toll :)
[12:59] <Vaizki> I'm giving up on SP9UOB, not a peep
[12:59] <DL1SGP> yes, Vaizki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErtwEF-BJQ
[13:00] <DL1SGP> 2012 was the year we used it first sorry :)
[13:01] <DL1SGP> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV5EN9GsGsM
[13:01] <Vaizki> well that's one way of adding redundancy to a message :)
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[13:01] <AndyEsser> ah, he must've entered Wales now
[13:01] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:02] <fsphil> a moments silence
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[13:02] <DL1SGP> 2012 project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrnCYxR9Znk
[13:02] <garymortimer> It might be quicker to go round than over the bridge
[13:02] <daveake> Not
[13:03] <daveake> +10 mins
[13:03] <garymortimer> Well I stand corrected
[13:03] <daveake> That said, I'm a tight-arse so I go the way he's going :)
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[13:04] <garymortimer> Yeah I would almost by default, especially if you get stuck behind slow moving stuff in teh Wye valley
[13:04] <garymortimer> very pretty though
[13:05] <daveake> Well the bridge route is all DC up to Ross, so that's fine; the M5 route isn't unless going the long way round via the M50
[13:05] <daveake> The Wye valley route is nice as you say, but traffic tends to be slow
[13:06] <mattbrejza> is it quicker to go up the M5 to worcester and across?
[13:06] <daveake> No that's another 10 mins slower
[13:07] <daveake> Less time on the twisties though, which may well be a factor if it's a schoolbus
[13:15] <WillDWork> I might be able to escape work early and help... if they need it, seeing as I'm in Worcester
[13:17] <garymortimer> I bet they would like a receiver nearby to confirm the landing!
[13:17] <garymortimer> looks like a great area
[13:18] <daveake> I did ask and no, they're happy to do it themselves.
[13:18] <daveake> It's going to be very straightforward to locate
[13:19] <WillDWork> okey dokey
[13:29] <DL1SGP> Great HAB-Spirit for offering though WillDWork and daveake -> Medal on Ribbon for the both of you: ~* ~*
[13:30] <daveake> Well it makes a change for a HAB to land in these parts :)
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[14:29] <JonnyAlpha> WERE NEARLY THERE
[14:30] <daveake> Great. Stay online if you can, and upload the landing position
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[14:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Zachamishandolliie_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Zachamishandolliie_chase
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[14:49] <DL1SGP> yay they are getting close!
[14:51] <fsphil> took a moment to parse that chase car name
[14:52] <AndyEsser> fsphil: o wow
[14:52] <AndyEsser> I thought it was some German name to start with....
[14:52] <AndyEsser> whoops
[14:52] <AndyEsser> :)
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[14:52] <daveake> lol
[14:53] <AndyEsser> we really need to get overhead live images from a HAB tracker satellite...
[14:53] <DL1SGP> they got a car, could not be amish zach with his han(d)doll :)
[14:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KE0GEO-12 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-12
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[15:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-11
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[15:32] <daveake> caen posn updated just now
[15:32] <mattbrejza> !ping CAEN
[15:32] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: No contact from 03CAEN
[15:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-13
[15:33] <DL1SGP> ha my estimation for CAEN landing was close to that point (52.177335 -2.868986)
[15:33] <daveake> !ping CAEN_CP1
[15:33] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Last contact with 03CAEN_CP1 was 032 minutes ago
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[16:11] <DL1SGP> CAEN_Chase takes the lazy approach :)
[16:12] <DL1SGP> unless that is driving and not walking, one never knows
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[16:48] <PE2BZ> Hi. Anyone any experience with the DRONEBL blacklist for freenode ? I had to remove 23 spambot messages but antivirus did find nothing on my PC.
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[17:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8MSJ-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8MSJ-11
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[18:59] <edmoore> hab+rockets, don't know if good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7vZmyfaaV4
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[19:35] <JC_> Hello!
[19:35] <DL1SGP> hi JC_
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[19:36] <JC_> I'm just looking at this burst calculator (http://habhub.org/calc/) and wondering what the difference is between the 'types' of balloon, e.g. the difference between Kaymont 1200 and Pawan 1200
[19:40] <Upu> different manufacturers, different rubber so different stats/burst etc
[19:42] <DL1SGP> specs for the balloons are slightly different, whereas Pawan states that the 1200g balloon reaches 31km height with an ascent of 325 m/min the ascent rate of a Kaymont is 270-300 m/min to reach 105000 - 115000 ft height
[19:43] <DL1SGP> And hey Upu :) congrats
[19:43] <Upu> thanks DL1SGP
[19:44] <mfa298> DL1SGP: you should have given one of those ascent rates in m/s or ft/min to totally mix the units up :p
[19:45] <DL1SGP> nah I would not be that mean mfa298 :D
[19:45] <mfa298> you've already got km and feet in there.
[19:45] <DL1SGP> I just cited from the websites :)
[19:46] <mfa298> also where's sibot when you need it
[19:47] <DL1SGP> and neck lift in newton :)
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[19:51] <JC_> Thanks
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[19:55] <fsphil> 5 feet
[19:55] <fsphil> oh the bot's gone
[19:55] <fsphil> he's miles away
[19:55] <lz1dev> get out
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[20:12] <mfa298> maybe it wont be gone furlong
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[21:19] <DL1SGP> hey JonnyAlpha how did the recovery go?
[21:20] <JonnyAlpha> If anyone is online CAEN_CP1 successfully recovered in a perfect landing site. Thanks to everyone for their help and ioffers of assistance. Nearly home.
[21:20] <DL1SGP> safe travels :) and congrats
[21:21] <JonnyAlpha> Ended up being a perfect flight. 3 kids came on the chase with their mums, they loved it.
[21:22] <JonnyAlpha> Payload landed in the middle of the only mown field. Coyld have been so diferent.
[21:23] <DL1SGP> yeap that was a good spot for landing and great that the kids and parents enjoyed it
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[21:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCOOBY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCOOBY
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[22:46] <mattbrejza> i hope noone in NL has any antennas up... http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=12
[22:48] <Laurenceb__> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/06/22/217205/europes-robots-to-become-electronic-persons-under-draft-plan
[22:48] <Laurenceb__> not sure if onion
[22:48] <gonzo_m> it's the launch scene from wargames
[22:49] <Laurenceb__> some sort of Brexit troll perhaps
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[22:57] <AndyEsser> well that's definitely a better amateur radio group than the last one
[22:58] <AndyEsser> many of them knew of UKHAS
[22:58] <AndyEsser> someone even mentioned fsphil
[22:58] <AndyEsser> and the guy that introduced me is the reason that Bill is flooding the mailing list, he sold him the scanner :)
[22:59] <fsphil> oh crap they found me
[22:59] <AndyEsser> hehe
[23:00] <AndyEsser> and they can do my foundation exam in about 3 weeks :)
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[23:07] <AndyEsser> also, most of them seemed far more interesting in things like satellites and balloons than seeing how far they can chat to someone
[23:15] <fsphil> good to find a club like that
[23:16] <fsphil> oh nice storm along the english channel atm
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[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ARY2 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ARY2
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