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[06:13] <AndyEsser> morning
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[07:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G6SQX_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G6SQX_chase
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[07:28] <AndyEsser> edmoore: interesting challenge
[07:29] <edmoore> that's the idea
[07:35] <AndyEsser> something else for me to think about for my first flight :)
[07:37] <edmoore> no
[07:37] <AndyEsser> :)
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[07:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G6SQX Coverage test_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G6SQX%20Coverage%20test_chase
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[08:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM3BC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3BC-11
[08:07] <fsphil> bonus points of it lands on a floating platform at sea
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[08:07] <fsphil> of/if
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[08:08] <AndyEsser> fsphil: :)
[08:08] <AndyEsser> without blowing up the platform?
[08:08] <fsphil> optional
[08:09] <Oddstr13> lol
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[08:10] <AndyEsser> fsphil: not sure I could realistically construct the payload, balloon bits etc, a landing system and an RC platform before the conference :P
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[08:43] <AndyEsser> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/Llanferres/
[08:43] <AndyEsser> a launch in the next 24 hours would be fun :)
[08:50] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: blimey
[08:51] <AndyEsser> would definitely need my hiking boots and poncho
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[09:01] <SM0ULC-Reb> AndyEsser: is that a folkdance?
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[09:06] <AndyEsser> SM0ULC-Reb: seems pretty close
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[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[09:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03NSBP41 10(0aba), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flight 0aba
[09:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Flight 10(0aba): 03NSBP41 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 10:00 from 03Gloucestershire, UK 10(51.86931,-2.24173)
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[09:55] <garymortimer> morning all
[09:55] <garymortimer> nsbp41....
[09:56] <Jerry> morning, any dews on scooby?
[09:56] <garymortimer> Thats what I came for!
[09:57] <Jerry> all very quiet here !
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[09:59] <SM0ULC-Reb> Yes, have to be when whatching UBSEDS dancing on the north.
[10:00] <mfa298> I think he was hoping for 11:30, and was planning on uploading packets and announcing on here if he can get internet
[10:00] <garymortimer> did UBSEDS make it all the way round this time?
[10:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> No its just been meandering around
[10:01] <fsphil> he'd be online now if it wasn't for those meddling kids
[10:04] <mfa298> is that the meddling kids that work for a 4 letter government agency
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[10:12] <garymortimer> Just look for the mask marks, bound to be the janitor
[10:13] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
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[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=1ddaedb58ff957234984f7e1f4b9515d7bb01785
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[10:37] <edmoore> a bit hairy
[10:37] <edmoore> that prediction
[10:38] <edmoore> oh no i'm being colour blind
[10:38] <edmoore> ignore
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[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/NSBP41_20160614/index.php?ind=1
[10:43] <mfa298> those colours are arguably the wrong way around, green is tradionally go (which would seem to fit launch better) and red for stop (so landing)
[10:43] <mfa298> but we seem to have red for launch and green for landing
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> RED=Danger=Kids around, GREEN=SAFE= kids left at school
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[10:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCOOBY_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCOOBY_chase
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[10:52] <fsphil> hopefully that chase goes better than it usually does in scooby doo
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Seems to be at the wrong shool at the moment!
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[11:04] <chris___> hi all scooby is in the sky now
[11:05] <chris___> 434.250.hz
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCOOBY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCOOBY
[11:05] <fsphil> zoinks!
[11:05] <AndyEsser> your chase is quite far away
[11:05] <garymortimer> Aha
[11:05] <AndyEsser> by design? or mis-config?
[11:06] <garymortimer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY
[11:06] <edmoore> nice
[11:06] <edmoore> good flight
[11:06] <edmoore> i suspect the current consumption is wrong
[11:07] <garymortimer> Ohh what a lovely area to fly into. I have some stories about there probably best recounted in a bar
[11:08] <edmoore> altitude is stuck?
[11:11] <garymortimer> Is Scooby en route??
[11:12] <edmoore> the gps position isn't changing
[11:12] <edmoore> and it's been 2 minutes since the last update
[11:13] <Andrew_M0NRD> Interesting launch site.. last position awfully close to some trees on satellite view
[11:14] <garymortimer> Very Swindon though as Swindon goes
[11:14] <garymortimer> ah there we go
[11:14] <garymortimer> quite a slow ascent
[11:15] <edmoore> no i don't think so
[11:15] <edmoore> chris said it was up in the air about 5 minutes ago
[11:15] <edmoore> and it's only been at 60-70m every update since then
[11:15] <edmoore> so it's not just a slow ascent, it's actually something wrong somewhere
[11:16] <edmoore> unless it wasn't actually up in the air when he said
[11:16] <edmoore> or unless it got stuck in a tree shortly after he said it
[11:16] <edmoore> or something
[11:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> No trees http://tinyurl.com/hnwfynk
[11:17] <garymortimer> Maybe when more folks hear it
[11:17] <craag> did the payload fall off?
[11:17] <edmoore> more folks won't hear it if it's not going uop
[11:17] <edmoore> we don't know
[11:18] <edmoore> chris___: any updates?
[11:18] <edmoore> oh the4e we go
[11:18] <craag> :)
[11:18] <edmoore> movement
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> slow ascent
[11:18] <edmoore> well that was wierd
[11:18] <fsphil> very
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial 0aba
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03SCOOBY 10(0aba): none
[11:18] <edmoore> we don't know if it's a slow ascent yet?
[11:19] <fsphil> wouldn't want to say on just one sample
[11:19] <edmoore> exactly
[11:19] <fsphil> ok two samples
[11:19] <fsphil> still slow
[11:19] <garymortimer> well positioned chase
[11:19] <craag> hmm 1.1m/s
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> I have severa showing on GE and its a slow ascent ;-
[11:19] <AndyEsser> however, is moving sideways rapidly
[11:19] <edmoore> that's going to be a disaster if it's actually 1.1
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://tinyurl.com/z7rrdpe
[11:21] <craag> -0.2
[11:21] <craag> woops
[11:21] <Vaizki> :O
[11:21] <fsphil> urg, flashbacks to my last flight
[11:21] <fsphil> it might not make it through the cloud
[11:22] <fsphil> what's the weather there?
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[11:22] <mattbrejza> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/observation/map/#?map=Rainfall&zoom=9&lon=-1.91&lat=51.80&fcTime=1465858800
[11:22] <Vaizki> pushed down by rain?
[11:22] <chris___> we launched in a ... well it was tipping it down
[11:22] <chris___> a real nightmare
[11:22] <fsphil> that'll be it
[11:22] <chris___> but it is in the sky
[11:23] <fsphil> for now
[11:23] <fsphil> if it soaks up enough water it might come back down
[11:23] <Vaizki> mental note: aggressive overfill for rain
[11:23] <mattbrejza> putting enough gas in it should beat a medium downpour though?
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://tinyurl.com/jhvcesa
[11:23] <fsphil> yeah true
[11:23] <mattbrejza> fsphil: yours was a slow ascent one?
[11:23] <fsphil> yeah was planning to float it, was underfilled
[11:24] <mattbrejza> chris___: what was the neck lift after filling?
[11:25] <chris___> sorry guys i have to go track...i hope someone can listen. time to chase
[11:25] <Vaizki> I think he's running after it..
[11:25] <AndyEsser> blowing at it to try to make it go up :)
[11:25] <Vaizki> doesn't look like it's up any more?
[11:26] <fsphil> AndyEsser: one of the things on my todo list is a balloon with 0 lift, and a big fan :)
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[11:26] <AndyEsser> that could be fun
[11:27] <garymortimer> Oh dear coming back me thinks, no radio onsite Chris_ ??
[11:27] <fsphil> I think he's away after it
[11:27] <AndyEsser> lack of trackers by the looks of things
[11:27] <mattbrejza> look at the altitude
[11:27] <fsphil> the worry for this is it dragging along the ground
[11:27] <fsphil> it could cause "trouble"
[11:28] <mattbrejza> He? H2?
[11:28] <fsphil> good question
[11:29] <fsphil> if it does land, and dries, it can take off again
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[11:30] <Vaizki> with luck it'll be stuck to the treeline next to the football pitches
[11:30] <garymortimer> Is it raining over there??
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> in places yes!
[11:30] <Vaizki> garymortimer, apparently yes
[11:30] <Vaizki> [14:22] <chris___> we launched in a ... well it was tipping it down
[11:33] <garymortimer> Ah that explains it.
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[11:37] <Vaizki> Scooby Doo Where Are Youuu...
[11:38] <garymortimer> If it snuck over Nottingham Hill it might dry out, although it is travelling in that weather of course
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[11:51] <garymortimer> School run for me, I hope the Scooby mystery is solved
[11:52] <DL1SGP> reminds me that I gotta work on the PR/Launch Announcements for this weekend :)
[11:53] <craag> DL1SGP: Is lunar lander flying a payload with you this weekend?
[11:54] <DL1SGP> yes craag we gonna launch 4 balloons in total. 1 pilot with a modded DFM-06 then Lunar with the other students, then student payload and another club payload
[11:54] <craag> :)
[11:55] <DL1SGP> so right now we are keeping an eye on the soundings performed by army in Bergen as well as getting the word out...
[11:56] <DL1SGP> notam has been issued so all good
[11:56] <craag> Great, good luck!
[11:56] <craag> nasty winds this weekend, long drive for recovery.
[11:56] <DL1SGP> ha tell me about it I gonna be recovery team
[11:57] <DL1SGP> wiht my mother as co-pilot
[11:57] <DL1SGP> but situation seems to stabilize a bit, last friday when we were visiting army facilities the trend went almost into baltic sea
[11:58] Action: DL1SGP will make sure to refuel car before chase
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[11:58] <DL1SGP> tuesday past week would have been ideal lunch weather
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[11:59] <DL1SGP> A3018/16 - ASCENT OF RADIOSONDE AT CELLE, 52.3652N 010.0540E.
[11:59] <DL1SGP> WEIGHT 1000G, LENGTH 60M, COLOUR WHITE, RATE OF ASCENT
[11:59] <DL1SGP> 1600FT/MIN. GND - UNL, 18 JUN 07:00 2016 UNTIL 18 JUN 12:00 2016.
[11:59] <DL1SGP> Ground to Unlimited hehe
[12:00] <AndyEsser> up, up and away
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[12:00] <DL1SGP> currently tracking the bergen radiosonde such a relaxing sound :)
[12:03] <edmoore> can anyone actually hear scooby?
[12:08] <DL1SGP> if they have mobile equipment deployed into the area they might, that was what I did with Lunar_Lander's last flight when it was to come down here... just had no GPS updating my station location... at least we can be glad that scooby did not fall into that interesting round structure in Gloucester :)
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[12:25] <M0XIN> Is SCOOBY actually up?
[12:25] <mattbrejza> its a mystery
[12:26] <mattbrejza> but probably not
[12:26] <M0XIN> It's a Mystery Machine
[12:26] Action: M0XIN flicks through the pages of his Scooby-Doo joke book
[12:29] <edmoore> it launched
[12:29] <edmoore> no one seems to be able to hear tho
[12:30] <fsphil> if it's not been heard by now, it's a fair bet it came back down
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
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[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC1DHP - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1DHP
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[12:56] <PE1ANS> someone has news about SCOOBY
[12:56] <AndyEsser> nope
[12:56] <DL1SGP> negative PE1ANS
[12:56] <fsphil> missing in action
[12:56] <PE1ANS> O.K. TNX
[12:57] <Ian_> At about 1305 here in B65, the weather went from nice and sunny to heavens open and flash flooding in under ten minutes, so Chris may have just not been ahead of the curve with SCOOBY
[12:59] <Ian_> By 1330 it's dry and relatively sunny again with patches of blue sky. Unlucky is my guess, once you start filling with gas I guess you are mentally committed and aborting seems unattractive.
[12:59] <Ian_> It may well have achieved a float, but not at the planned altitude :)
[13:00] <Vaizki> let hope it didn't drag across the ground onto a busy carriageway..
[13:01] <fsphil> yeah that's a worry
[13:01] <fsphil> I was lucky mine landed in a field, then a lake
[13:02] <Vaizki> such luck wow.. :)
[13:02] <fsphil> never found the balloon, there's a good chance it took off again with a dead payload
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[13:02] <Vaizki> so how are you certain it went in the lake?
[13:03] <fsphil> last few positions had it going down over the water
[13:03] <Vaizki> right.. so dipped in, payload floated, balloon dried out, off it goes?
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[13:04] <fsphil> yeah
[13:04] <fsphil> the landing spot would've been visible from the shore, when I went down there was nothing
[13:04] <gonzo__> the prediction takes it away from the M5 at least
[13:05] <fsphil> the annoying thing was, if I'd just waited 30 minutes it likely would've been fine
[13:05] <gonzo__> we've seen foil balloons park for the night and come back up againj in the morning
[13:05] <fsphil> the rain cleared up
[13:06] <gonzo__> (we, as in ukhas)
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[13:06] <fsphil> the ukhas collective
[13:06] <Vaizki> hivemind
[13:06] <Ian_> I think that there were probably enough puddles for SCOOBY to achieve float status after being forced down by torrential rain.
[13:07] <fsphil> wrong kind of float
[13:07] <fsphil> unintentional buoy
[13:07] <fsphil> another thing on my todo list. buoy dropped from a balloon
[13:07] <AndyEsser> can you legally do that?
[13:08] <fsphil> it's obscure enough that I doubt there's a rule against it
[13:08] <gonzo__> at FDH they had a hab, repeating aprs from a bouy that they set off in the lake the previous week
[13:08] <Ian_> The good lord misunderstood, insufficient detail. God, give me a floater today. Just as well that it didn't involve too much dietry fibre and fat
[13:08] <AndyEsser> would the buoy just be the payload with floats?
[13:08] <AndyEsser> or separately dropped from the payload?
[13:08] <fsphil> separate
[13:08] <AndyEsser> hmm
[13:08] <fsphil> I want a radio relay on the balloon to track it on the way down
[13:08] <AndyEsser> I know that in the Drone CAA stuff you specifically can not drop stuff irregardless of whether it is powered or has a parachute
[13:08] <DL1SGP> fsphil a Lora Buoy received through a Lora Payload?
[13:09] <gonzo__> fat-floay
[13:09] <gonzo__> =
[13:09] <fsphil> something like that yeah DL1SGP
[13:09] <fsphil> similar to what daveake did recently
[13:09] <DL1SGP> that sounds interesting
[13:09] <fsphil> and a wspr hf beacon to track it after the relay is out of range
[13:09] <DL1SGP> you mean trhe ?triple? launch with that one payload that ended up on a roof fsphil ?
[13:10] <fsphil> hah, yeah I think it was that one
[13:10] <DL1SGP> sounds fun
[13:10] <daveake> yeah 1 on roof 1 in field 1 stolen by sheep
[13:10] <daveake> got all 3 back eventually
[13:10] <DL1SGP> damn sheep, worse than goats!
[13:11] <AndyEsser> daveake: no wonder you were worried about those sheep the other week :)
[13:14] <daveake> :)
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[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD5GOM-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
[13:23] <PE1ANS> Info van 14.57 At about 1305 here in B65, the weather went from nice and sunny to heavens open and flash flooding in under ten minutes, so Chris may have just not been ahead of the curve with SCOOBY
[13:24] <Ian_> B65 is a Birmingham UK postal code area.
[13:25] <Ian_> About 30 miles N of the Gloucester/Cheltenham area where SCOOBY was being launched
[13:25] <AndyEsser> terrible part of the country...
[13:25] <Ian_> You are off my Christmas list for that comment :)
[13:26] <AndyEsser> I'm not sure I'd want anything from Birmingham :)
[13:26] <Ian_> Besides, what have you got against Gloucester/Cheltenham :)
[13:27] <Ian_> I don't live here, I'm just an extra in the performance!
[13:27] <AndyEsser> ha
[13:27] <Ian_> :) Gotta be clear!
[13:29] <Ian_> I guess from the tracker map, that Chris was expecting SCOOBY to float generally northwards
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=1ddaedb58ff957234984f7e1f4b9515d7bb01785 was the prediction
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[13:35] <mattbrejza> !ping SCOOBY
[13:35] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Last contact with 03SCOOBY was 032 hours ago
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[13:36] <Shawn> Good afternoon
[13:36] <Ian_> Thanks Geoff, it does explain the positioning of the SCOOBY chase car. Unlucky I guess
[13:36] <DL1SGP> Good afternoon Shawn
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[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not sure about the chase car at all!!! it was way to the north!
[13:37] <Guest72345> I have planned my launch day as tomorrow
[13:37] <Guest72345> however weather forecast seems to be very grim. 80% probability of raining around the area
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> where abouts are you for this launch ?
[13:38] <Guest72345> should it be a main reason to cancel the flight?
[13:38] <Guest72345> Cambridge
[13:38] <mattbrejza> if its predicted to be showers you can look at the rain radar
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[13:38] <mattbrejza> helps if you can fill inside though to wait out showers
[13:39] <fsphil> filling in the rain is a pain
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ground leve looks fair http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Cambridge/hour_by_hour.html
[13:39] <fsphil> </unintentional rhyme>
[13:39] <Ian_> :)
[13:39] <Guest72345> oh nice
[13:39] <Ian_> Your nose is growing phil
[13:40] <AndyEsser> fsphil: that should be on the Wiki somewhere
[13:40] <Guest72345> only checked out BBC weather
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> predict is away from the sea! http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=108ad6a68ed0b08a023e6d99b7fcb2940179dc0a
[13:40] <Ian_> The weight of a film of water on a surface is often very significant
[13:40] <fsphil> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ is very handy if you need to know where the rain is or if it's about to hit
[13:40] <Guest72345> Oh Geoff
[13:40] <Guest72345> you're beautiful
[13:41] <AndyEsser> errr
[13:41] <Guest72345> Phill, yea just checked that out as well
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> and as above watch the rain radar for the period before launch
[13:41] <Guest72345> thanks !
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[13:41] <fsphil> looks like it's dry here for a while
[13:42] <DL1SGP> Guest72345: :-D if you wish to change your nickname you can do so by typing /nick new_name_goes_here
[13:43] <Guest72345> Geoff, thanks so much
[13:43] <Guest72345> very helpful
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :)
[13:43] <Guest72345> wish you a nice day!!!
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> have you put in a flight doc ?
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[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> gone
[13:43] <fsphil> a guest has no name
[13:45] <daveake> he took flight
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[14:02] <AndyEsser> https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi/products/raspberry-pi-zero?variant=14062715972
[14:02] <AndyEsser> Pi Zero's back in stock
[14:02] <craag> I ordered mine from there wednesday last week - not turned up yet :/
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[14:03] <daveake> They're normally pretty quick
[14:05] <fsphil> shame that csi cable is the same price as the pi
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[14:06] <fsphil> still cheaper than A+
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[14:09] <AndyEsser> battery company curious about my testing of the batteries they provided me
[14:10] <AndyEsser> methinks they want me to do all the testing for them and just send them the results for them to use with other customers
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[14:11] <mfa298> either that, or try and sell you lots more
[14:12] <AndyEsser> they were cheap enough
[14:12] <AndyEsser> heh
[14:14] <fsphil> sales guy looking to get his bonus this year
[14:14] <AndyEsser> her
[14:17] <Ian_> craag give them a shout. I ordered from the last Wednesday evening batch and had it by Friday.
[14:18] <mattbrejza> anyone got a useful non-hab project for these things yet?
[14:18] <russss> the reason I use RPis is because of the network interface most of the time
[14:18] <fsphil> I'm going to put one in an old toy usb microscope
[14:19] <russss> so I don't see the point of one without
[14:19] <fsphil> removed old electronics, put a pi cam at the focal point. gives it hdmi output and wifi
[14:20] <mattbrejza> ah nice
[14:20] <Ian_> I did notice that the morning batch had sold out by the time I was aware of it but the 1900 batch was still available at 0010. I forgot to look the next morning, but five hours of an evening was good going.
[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F-2
[14:20] <fsphil> it might not end up that useful. the old cmos sensor was only 640x480
[14:20] <craag> Ian_: I did accidentally select slower (second-class?) shipping, but I've had still expected it by today.
[14:20] <fsphil> didn't really test the optics
[14:21] <Ian_> Thanks for the heads up AndyEsser. I watch here a lot more often than I check my mail.
[14:21] <fsphil> yeah thanks AndyEsser. I'm now £10 poorer :p
[14:21] <craag> russss: I want to put one on a small balloon - would like a 100Mbps ethernet connection but not practical, will make do with punybaud ;)
[14:22] <AndyEsser> sowwy....
[14:22] <fsphil> should be neat if it works
[14:22] <fsphil> didn't actually measure if it would fit in the scope enclosure
[14:23] <Ian_> craag I made two orders that day (second class) They came together in one package. I thought that to be a bit cheeky but can't tell from the packaging if they upgraded the postal service or not
[14:23] <fsphil> nothing that can't be fixed with a saw and a glue gun
[14:23] <craag> hmm ok thanks Ian_ will ping then
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[14:28] <MickMondo> Hi all, anyone here to approve a flight doc ?
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[14:38] <Vaizki> MickMondo: go to #habhub and post the flight doc id
[14:38] <Ian_> MickMondo, if you have tested and got your payload on the map, /join #habhub and post the flight document number there. After which someone will be along to approve if all is well.
[14:38] <Vaizki> oops you already did.. :)
[14:39] <Ian_> Ha ha, yes, we only read back a few lines it seems.
[14:39] <Vaizki> I got my 34401A bench DMM today \o/ at 240 euros and a veeeery clean unit. now I can donate/sell my hameg
[14:40] <Ian_> Was that a redefinition of the word 'donate' that I just witnessed there Vaizki? :)
[14:41] <Ian_> Congrats on your new DMM
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[14:41] <Vaizki> nah more like I will sell it unless it looks unsellable at which point I might donate it :)
[14:42] <Vaizki> I've been looking on ebay etc for the 34401A for months, always seems to be around 400 euros.. and then one pops up less than 2km from my office at 240 euros
[14:43] <Ian_> 2km, you must be blessed.
[14:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2EAT-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-13
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[15:10] <fsphil> must be in nokialand
[15:10] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: what's the Hameg specs
[15:10] <AndyEsser> ?
[15:12] <Vaizki> 4.5 digits, 0.05% accuracy, no CAT ratings.. old.. :) and it needs a hameg mainframe to power it
[15:13] <Vaizki> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pR0AAOSwv0tVJn9r/s-l1600.jpg
[15:14] <Vaizki> same module in that unit on the right.. so 34401A is quite an upgrade.
[15:14] <AndyEsser> ah
[15:14] <AndyEsser> nice
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[15:16] <Vaizki> I'm pretty much set for lab stuff now.. of course one can always have MOAR but can't say I have a sore need for anything any more.
[15:17] <AndyEsser> but is the lab warm enough?
[15:17] <AndyEsser> :P
[15:18] <Vaizki> oh yes :)
[15:20] <AndyEsser> gd gd
[15:20] <AndyEsser> I can't bring myself to go back into my office
[15:20] <AndyEsser> just not a comfortable room to be in
[15:20] <AndyEsser> going to re-arrange the house at some point, move all that stuff into the 2nd bedroom instead of the bed, and get a sofa bed for the little room
[15:25] <arjunnaha> So my school has let us watch football on Thursday. I was like have fun on iPlayer with N wireless. So I installed a network tuner and 500 metres of ethernet for some good football action :)
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[15:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> it's annoying that iplayer et al don't support multicast>?
[15:40] <arjunnaha> Freeview HD over the network was SO much more clearer than iPlayer HD
[15:41] <arjunnaha> iPlayer does the job though
[15:42] <fsphil> the bbc used to have a multicast experiment, probably long gone
[15:42] <adamgreig> emfcamp '12 had multicast iplayer
[15:42] <adamgreig> it was wonderful
[15:43] <Vaizki> multicast on the internet just doesn't work.
[15:43] <Vaizki> in theory yes, in practise no.
[15:45] <mfa298> SpeedEvil: more annoying that (almost) all UK ISPs don't support multicast either.
[15:45] <Vaizki> http doesn't support multicast so it's not an internet thing
[15:45] <Vaizki> welcome to 2016
[15:46] <mfa298> The support for IPv6 is better amongst UK ISPs (and even IPv6 support is hard to come by)
[15:47] <AndyEsser> wouldn't Multicast on the Internet be a Bad Thing (TM)?
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[15:49] <mfa298> it's potentially a good thing, although not sure how well it would work in practice.
[15:50] <mfa298> Source Specific Multicast would be good
[15:50] <craag> judging by the number of switch fw bugs ECS found by using it - things could go very wrong.
[15:51] <mattbrejza> something involving japan ive heard
[15:51] <craag> (ECS being a faculty at soton uni, they have multicast tv streams)
[15:52] <mfa298> was that SSM or MLD (IPv6 Layer 2 control)
[15:53] <Oddstr13> I'd love for multicast to work over the internet, so that live TV would use less bandwith when there are multiple viewers ._.
[15:55] <cm13g09> mattbrejza: That was something to do with Tarrant... and the Olympic....
[15:56] <cm13g09> trashed a BBC router and led to the Japan 4K feed going offline IIRC
[15:57] <mattbrejza> ah yes
[15:57] <cm13g09> and craag you're absolutely right....
[15:57] <cm13g09> although it's getting better
[15:58] <cm13g09> also, ECS (were/are?) running experimental firmware
[15:58] <cm13g09> rather than the accepted public firmware....
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[16:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky1LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky1LoRa
[16:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
[16:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCOOBY_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCOOBY_chase
[16:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IBMICLSentinel - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IBMICLSentinel
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[16:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
[16:33] <edmoore> catchy
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[16:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[16:59] <daveake> Does that ^^ happen every time there's a new payload doc for the same payload?
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[17:00] <Vaizki> doc id would be a natural key for the bot...
[17:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
[17:03] <daveake> I don't know if they are creating more payload docs - just guessing
[17:06] <AndyEsser> the flight was just approved in #habhub - so no idea what's going on
[17:06] <AndyEsser> new payload docs wouldn't make sense
[17:07] <daveake> Maybe snus bug then ... istr this happening before
[17:08] <daveake> Though then it seemed pretty persistent :)
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[17:09] <PE2BZ> !flights
[17:09] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03NSBP41 10(0aba), 03FLOAT - 2 10(18be), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[17:10] <PE2BZ> !wheris 0aba
[17:10] <PE2BZ> !whereis 0aba
[17:10] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: I haven't got a clue
[17:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:13] <garymortimer> Somebody presenting with sky2Lora?
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[17:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
[17:16] <AndyEsser> totally not annoying...
[17:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:17] <AndyEsser> diyaricl: what are you up to with the payload?
[17:17] <AndyEsser> :P
[17:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:22] <daveake> lz1dev: ^^ anything you can do about this ?
[17:23] <AndyEsser> /ignore SpacenearUS
[17:23] <AndyEsser> :)
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[17:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
[17:28] <lz1dev> wut
[17:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:33] <AndyEsser> make it stop
[17:33] <lz1dev> /ignore SpacenearUS
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[17:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
[17:34] <AndyEsser> lz1dev: that seems like a temporary workaround
[17:35] <lz1dev> feel free to kill the time by finding the bug in the code
[17:35] <lz1dev> https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/spacenearus-irc-bot
[17:35] <AndyEsser> what's the github l...
[17:35] <AndyEsser> goddamnit
[17:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[17:41] <lz1dev> yeah bug is the backend code
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[17:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SFSU - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SFSU
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[17:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-11
[17:55] <SpacenearUS> 03{^TIBS01^}: Here you go: 12https://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[17:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[18:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[18:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BALLON-11 after 0320 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLON-11
[18:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK0TU-11 after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0TU-11
[18:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Sky2LoRa - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Sky2LoRa
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[18:37] <chris___> Thanks to anyone who tried listening to Scooby today. Unfortunately the rain got in the way and the flight ended quite soon after take off
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[19:17] <AndyEsser> err, someone who's asking me about HAB stuff is adament using a phone is the best for tracking
[19:21] <Vaizki> ignorance is bliss
[19:22] <AndyEsser> indeed
[19:23] <AndyEsser> problem is, it's very difficult to talk to him about it
[19:23] <AndyEsser> everything he says, he's so confident in
[19:33] <daveake> It's worse when they do their own thing and, more through luck than judgement, happen not to fail
[19:34] <daveake> e.g. Swedish student who did his testing <24 hours before launch, failed to track at all, ignored advice about the prediction (middle of a forest) and had his payload land on a frozen lake in front of a skater
[19:35] <AndyEsser> indeed
[19:35] <AndyEsser> he now wants to use a Pebble smart watch instead of a mobile phone
[19:36] <russss> hahaha
[19:36] <AndyEsser> He's annoys me enough as it is - constantly interrupting me during my AWS talk last week
[19:37] <AndyEsser> I don't have the patience to point him in the right direction
[19:37] <daveake> Having tried and failed to alter the thoughts of the obstinate, I'd be tempted to let him go and fail
[19:38] <AndyEsser> I have, I've closed Slack
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[19:38] <Ryan_> When does everyone suggest to submit the CAA application form, exactly 28 days before or sometime before that?
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[19:46] <edmoore> Ryan_: usually up to
[19:46] <edmoore> 28 days
[19:46] <edmoore> not exactly
[19:46] <edmoore> and you might get away with sooner
[19:46] <edmoore> and don't expect to hear back very quickly
[19:48] <edmoore> i'm happy for people to do their own thing
[19:48] <edmoore> just incase something good is found
[19:48] <edmoore> can add some variation to the gene pool
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[19:48] <AndyEsser> edmoore: sure - I get that
[19:48] <edmoore> but most 'own things' fail unless done by good engineers
[19:48] <AndyEsser> but saying things like just adding a directional antenna to a mobile phone should allow receiving of data from it when it's at 20km etc
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[19:50] <AndyEsser> I might come out with some stupid things - but once someone more experienced or knowledgeable in the area explains the issue to me - I'll usually disgard the idea
[19:50] <AndyEsser> 30m^3 of water...
[19:50] <AndyEsser> :)
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[19:52] <DL1SGP> damn where is lunar_lander ...
[19:54] <edmoore> AndyEsser: that might work actually
[19:54] <edmoore> directional ant to ground from mob
[19:54] <edmoore> has been done before
[19:55] <AndyEsser> from ground up - sure
[19:55] <AndyEsser> but payload to ground?
[19:55] <AndyEsser> having a payload antenna pretty precisely aimed at a cell tower?
[19:55] <AndyEsser> at 20km?
[19:56] <SM0ULC-Reb> AndyEsser: AWS-talk ?
[19:56] <AndyEsser> SM0ULC-Reb: I gave a talk about AWS last week at a local group of software developers
[19:57] <SM0ULC-Reb> ah
[19:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> s11 balloon is on its way http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/ve3kcl-balloons/ve3kcl-s11.html
[19:58] <SM0ULC-Reb> :)
[19:59] <SM0ULC-Reb> SA6BSS-Mike: any known works on an importscript for habhub?
[20:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> more like importing to aprs.fi and then let habhub take it from there I guess is the usual approach
[20:01] <SM0ULC-Reb> ah
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[20:03] <lz1dev> SM0ULC-Reb: https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/hab-tools/blob/master/send_tlm_to_habitat.py
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[20:12] <edmoore> AndyEsser: no
[20:12] <edmoore> but none of that is required for this to work
[20:12] <edmoore> who said the aiming needs to be precise
[20:12] <edmoore> precise is an adjective
[20:12] <edmoore> so is useless in engineering
[20:13] <SM0ULC-Reb> lz1dev: aah
[20:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Cell phone base aerials normally point slightly downwards ..... neveer upwards!
[20:15] <AndyEsser> edmoore: do you have a link to a blog or anything of when it was previously used? interested to read up on it
[20:15] <edmoore> it was almost a decade ago
[20:15] <edmoore> i'll have a look
[20:16] <edmoore> it was a yagi pointed straight down
[20:16] <edmoore> for the gsm system
[20:16] <adamgreig> wasn't it by some guys who worked at motorola or something
[20:16] <adamgreig> on an old phone where you could actually put your own antenna on
[20:16] <edmoore> i don't recall
[20:16] <edmoore> this was really a long time ago
[20:17] <adamgreig> yea
[20:17] <edmoore> hard to find in zuesbot logs
[20:17] <edmoore> 'vertical yagi' just returns a million hits about polarisation
[20:18] <edmoore> jcoxon might remember
[20:30] <edmoore> AndyEsser: i give up
[20:30] <edmoore> but basically a yagi pointing vertically down under the payload
[20:30] <edmoore> illuminated a cone beneath it with gsm-iness
[20:32] <AndyEsser> edmoore: sorry - had assumed you'd given up 15 mins ago - didn't expect you to spend that much time on
[20:33] <AndyEsser> aren't mobile comms two-way though, wouldn't the phone need to receive from the cell tower as well? and I imagine cell towers are designed to give very little radiation upwards?
[20:33] <adamgreig> yagis are also useful for receiving
[20:33] <edmoore> the radiation pattern is the same both ways
[20:34] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: I get that - but it would still require something radiating upwards at all, surely?
[20:34] <AndyEsser> whereas tx'ing from the balloon, has a greater chance of hitting the tower by hitting the ground, and buildings etc
[20:34] <AndyEsser> although... I guess the same path applies upwards
[20:34] <AndyEsser> ignore me
[20:35] <adamgreig> yes
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[21:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YAM-1 after 0317 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YAM-1
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