highaltitude.log.20160612

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[04:07] <aa6eg> First time on Webchat; a new HAB enthusiast...
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[05:14] <fuji> Hi
[05:14] <fuji> I was wondering how I could recover something coming from the upper atmosphere
[05:14] <fuji> Cause I got a crazy Idea and it just might work
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[07:32] Action: PE2BZ test
[07:40] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:40] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
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[10:30] <DL7AD1> fsphil: ping
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[10:35] <fsphil> mornings
[10:37] <tweetBot> @G7IGB: UKHAS Conference Cambridge September 10: The UKHAS Conference will be held... https://t.co/XFC716erHl #hamradio #ukhas
[10:40] <DL7AD> fsphil: have seen the images which we've done yesterday with 2GFSK APRS?
[10:43] <fsphil> the indoor ones?
[10:45] <DL7AD> no
[10:45] <DL7AD> the real flight
[10:45] <DL7AD> it hasnt been displayed on the habhub map
[10:45] <DL7AD> no one cared anyway
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[10:46] <DL7AD> only we received the balloon
[10:46] <fsphil> very blue images
[10:46] <DL7AD> blue?
[10:47] <DL7AD> scroll down a bit
[10:47] <DL7AD> there has been much moisture in the air
[10:47] <fsphil> yeah the lower altitude images are great
[10:48] <fsphil> what distance where you able to receive it?
[10:48] <DL7AD> 200...250km
[10:48] <fsphil> not bad! 9600?
[10:48] <DL7AD> yes
[10:48] <DL7AD> with a baofeng antenna!
[10:48] <DL7AD> nobody told us, we've used the incorrect coax plug
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> could not get the direwolf2ssdv.exe to work, it complained about 2 dll:s which I downloaded but no go, any way it stopped tx:in at about 26000m
[10:49] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike|2: it burst in 26000km and fell down to earth
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ah, yes I thought it might have
[10:50] <fsphil> shame the auto contrast on the camera didn't work better
[10:50] <DL7AD> no idea if i have the right settings phil
[10:51] <DL7AD> fsphil: but we prooved that 9k6 is possible on long distances with just 30...40mW
[10:52] <DL7AD> worked really excellent
[10:52] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> DL7AD: have you recoverd it ?
[10:52] <DL7AD> we've got one VGA-image every 1...2min. but we've sent the packets twice.
[10:52] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike|2: no
[10:53] <DL7AD> we stayed at the exhibition in berlin
[10:53] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> did fell in Poland or germany, close to the boarder I guess
[10:53] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok
[10:55] <DL7AD> fsphil SA6BSS-Mike|2: this has been the best photo :P http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-06-11--16-04-44-DK0TU-71FD.jpeg?u=164
[10:55] <DL7AD> and this one http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-06-11--16-02-38-DK0TU-71FC.jpeg?u=132
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> nice ones, 5-6km alt?
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> maby less
[10:57] <DL7AD> i think they have been taken at around 2...3km
[10:58] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok
[10:58] <fsphil> contrast stretched version of one of the later images: http://i.imgur.com/Xnj3M42.jpg
[10:59] <DL7AD> fsphil: oh... thats cool
[11:00] <DL7AD> fsphil: the image shutter time has been too long anyway. look at the windmills: http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-06-11--16-54-41-DK0TU-7223.jpeg?u=39
[11:01] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/of4UirW.jpg
[11:01] <fsphil> more jpeg quantisation in that one
[11:02] <DL7AD> fsphil: so far i havent played around with the jpeg quantisation
[11:02] <DL7AD> i think the images are still quite larger in filesize
[11:03] <fsphil> yeah just looking at that, it dosen't seem to have colour subsampling
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[11:04] <Chris___> Forgive me for interupting. Who can I ask to approve a flight document? Thanks
[11:05] <fsphil> Chris___: you need to visit the #habhub channel, print the flight doc ID there and ask for one of the admins to approve it
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[11:06] <Chris___> Thanks
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9HFJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9HFJ-11
[11:19] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> DL7AD: quick adj http://imgur.com/AxzgcAs
[11:20] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike|2: thats really cool
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[11:23] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike|2: did you hear the balloon on radio?
[11:27] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> nrver got in range, was still about 100km 0degree los
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[11:43] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike|2: ah okay.
[11:47] <SM0ULC-Reb> hi all
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[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03chance215_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=chance215_chase
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[12:28] <michal_f> !flights
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: Current flights: 03PICO-25 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(0b32), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
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[13:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[13:44] <Interoth> Hey does anyone have any advice for filling out the CAA application?
[13:44] <edmoore> do you have a specific question?
[13:44] <edmoore> or do you want general advice like 'use a pen'?
[13:45] <Interoth> Are there certain areas that are likely to get denied?
[13:45] <edmoore> yes
[13:45] <edmoore> right next to airports
[13:45] <edmoore> but it's not always hard-and-fast, some places get denied for seemingly no good reason, others get granted when you think they wouldn't
[13:46] <edmoore> so i'd just pick somewhere reasonable sensible and accessible and hope for the best
[13:46] <Interoth> I see the airspace map, are there certain zones that are a good pick?
[13:46] <Interoth> Also does the application need to be sent via snailmail or is email fine
[13:47] <edmoore> email is fine
[13:48] <Interoth> Chances on them allowing a launch in a class D zone?
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[13:50] <edmoore> fairly low i'd have thought
[13:50] <edmoore> where are you?
[13:50] <Interoth> Sandbach Cheshire
[13:51] <Interoth> It's a bit close to the manchester CTR what what I can see
[13:52] <edmoore> you'll probably be alright there
[13:52] <edmoore> they might specify that you can only launch if the wind is taking it south or something
[13:52] <edmoore> i'd just apply and see what happens
[13:52] <Interoth> ah that's good, thanks
[13:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WO9N-7 after 0313 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WO9N-7
[13:56] <Interoth> on a less related note does anyone have any advice for using LiPos? Will they need heating or will insulation be fine?
[13:57] <edmoore> is this an up-down flight?
[13:57] <edmoore> or a long duration floater?
[13:58] <Interoth> updown
[13:58] <edmoore> and you're not planning on recharging the lipos with solar cells or anything?
[13:59] <Interoth> This is our first flight so sorry about any seemingly obvious questions
[13:59] <Interoth> We don't plan on it lasting that long to need recharging
[13:59] <edmoore> in that case my advice is to not use them, use lithium primary (non-rechargeable) cells
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> Seemingly obvious questions are great.
[13:59] <edmoore> their energy density and performance at low temperature is much, much better
[14:00] <Interoth> I have like 57 5000mAh lipo cells though so it's the obvious choice for me
[14:00] <edmoore> Energizer Lithium Ultimate batteries are the ones that 99% of flyers use
[14:00] <Interoth> I could just pack a few more cells to compensate if it's under the weight restriction?
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> If the intended discharge is under a couple of hours, and it's in a box, it will rarely go under temp.
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> What's the PSU?
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> err
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> payload
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> If there is a pi in there, you're fine
[14:01] <Interoth> Was going to have a pi and arduino with the HAB shield
[14:01] <Interoth> I will do current testing before launch, I was just wondering how much does the lipo performance degrade in those conditions
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> 'not'.
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> For slow discharge over a couple of hours, at ~5C or so
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> If you have any sort of box at all, it gets considerably warmer than the environment
[14:03] <Interoth> It's a sealed polystyrene box
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> If it doesn't get to - say - 25C over ambient on the ground, then there may be some concern.
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Pi camera?
[14:03] <Interoth> I can just add more cells to reach a lower current draw, I would prefer to stay around 2-3C
[14:03] <Interoth> Yes
[14:03] <Interoth> lower current draw/cell*
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> 25C over ambient is ~2-3C at altitude
[14:05] <Interoth> would just going with a large margin of like 3x needed capacity be safe?
[14:05] <Interoth> There will also be a voltage regulator so I am guessing that would keep things warm
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Should be fine, yes.
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> Energiser are great, but if you already have the lipo
[14:09] <Interoth> I came into possession of a lot of old laptop batteries, I've been slowly tearing them apart and testing each cell, still not sure what I will do with them all...
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> you do know about imbalances during charger/discharge causing problems?
[14:11] <Interoth> Yea, I may not know much about HAB but I at least know what I am doing with LiPos
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[14:11] <Interoth> I will likely get a BMS for the balloon
[14:13] <Interoth> About the CAA application, the "Map No" and "Grid letters", what fields are they on http://www.gridreferencefinder.com/ ?
[14:15] <Interoth> I've got http://interoth.com/temp/2016-06-12_15-14-26.png on the site, is the map number 751608 and grid letters SJ?
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[14:19] <Interoth> also, what is a reasonable range of dates to put? Is a week too much?
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[14:42] <Chimpusmaximus> Interoth i have used some 18650 before on a flight with a pits etc. I did have a few other bits powered by them as well including GoPro Hero 4 and Sony RX100 camera.
[14:42] <Chimpusmaximus> with the current draw and heat from gopro i had no issues.
[14:44] <Interoth> That sounds good, these are not 18650 bit I expect they will be behave similarly
[14:45] <Chimpusmaximus> yeah just read back and saw you had 5000mah
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[14:54] <Interoth> That would make an impressive 18650 cell
[14:55] <Interoth> but I am sure there are lots of fakes on ebay promising that capacity...
[14:55] <Chimpusmaximus> :-) or a cheap one from china
[14:55] <Interoth> I got a 3000mAh Ultrafire, measured as 600
[14:56] <Interoth> also why would you call a Lithium battery an "Ultrafire"
[14:56] <Chimpusmaximus> yeah i took some time before i bought some
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[14:57] <Interoth> These laptop cells are great, from what I've tested they are all at their rated capacity
[14:57] <Interoth> got a arduino measuring voltage to plot discharge curves for eahc
[14:57] <Chimpusmaximus> excellent, i have taken one or two apart before and got some cells but most the times they were pretty old
[14:58] <Interoth> They are all from macbook packs, there seems to be a common failure mode where the cells are relatively new but the whole pack stops working leaving the cells great ready to be harvested
[15:00] <Interoth> pain to take apart though, glue everywhere
[15:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G6SQX mobile_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G6SQX%20mobile_chase
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[15:42] <tweetBot> @hamradio_dp: UKHAS Conference Cambridge September 10 #ukhas https://t.co/yrr0p4PhSA
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[15:49] <Chris___> Hi Gonzo
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[16:55] <PE2BZ> fsphil are you available for a GPS question ?
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[16:59] <PE2BZ> My question is if the GPS expansion board is ¨detected¨ by the PITS board, to combine with LoRa TX
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[17:42] <PE2BZ> Upu Good evening, does this module https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_64&product_id=81 also work together with the PITS software in combination with the LoRa module ?
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[17:44] <craag> PE2BZ: THe PITS software uses I2C to connect to the GPS
[17:45] <craag> That board connects to the GPS via serial
[17:45] <craag> so it wouldn't work out of the box
[17:46] <craag> Hmm although that board does also have the I2C connected.
[17:46] <craag> It would work PE2BZ :)
[17:46] <PE2BZ> craag thanks. I would like to have GPS and date / time added to the LoRa tracker, for SSDV purposes but I don´t want to buy the Pi in the Sky kit for that purpose only.
[17:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Isn't used in the time standard as well ?
[17:46] <craag> time standard?
[17:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> GPS clock unit he does
[17:47] <craag> ntpd uses serial if that's what you mean
[17:48] <craag> (and timepulse on a gpio)
[17:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No he has an article on a GPS based clock/time standard hang on let me search it out
[17:48] <PE2BZ> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=726 you mean ?
[17:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes that's it
[17:49] <craag> That's ntpd..
[17:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK well I guess I thought ntpd provided a clock GPS disciplined ...
[17:55] <PE2BZ> I am going to order one GPS and a Lora 433 module for the empty slot. At this moment it´s impossible to view my own transmissions and check if my ¨grab an image from an IP camera and send in SSDV¨ hack works...
[17:56] <craag> Are you planning to fly the IP camera?!
[17:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS15 after 038 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS15
[17:56] <craag> !
[17:56] <lz1dev> hello
[17:56] <craag> .whereis UBSEDS15
[17:56] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: 03UBSEDS15 is over 03Norwegian Sea 10(73.09468,12.94811) at 0311324 meters
[17:57] <lz1dev> oh no link killed firefox
[17:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> did mine as well!
[17:57] <PE2BZ> craag ;-) no way. I am not flying anything. Trying to get a LoRa SSDV TX group in Holland and have the images repeated by the next receiver. But I have an outdoor cam with great images compared to my USB cam garden view...
[17:57] <lz1dev> i assume it went around the world once
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[17:57] <craag> Hah fair enough
[17:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its trying for a shrtcut!
[17:59] <PE2BZ> craag the image looks like this: http://109.109.112.170:10000/snap.jpg
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[18:02] <craag> Very nice for a ground image!
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[18:06] <PE2BZ> thanks. the camera is @52 meter height but has a limited view because of all the UMTS and GSM on the same roof. But I can set presets and zoom 30 times
[18:17] Action: PE2BZ is wishing everyone a nice end of the weekend. I am going AFK to my GF
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[18:19] <gb73d> get her on chat
[18:22] <fsphil> oh nice, twice around the world for UBSEDS?
[18:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> No it made a shortcut it seems!
[18:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Might have to wait for the backlog to be certain!
[18:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K17ESS-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K17ESS-11
[18:40] <SM0ULC-Reb> Please add hysplit to UBSEDS-15
[18:40] <lz1dev> .hysplit defaults
[18:40] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT defaults: 03k6rpt-%, aeth%, dl7ad-12, ps-%, sp3osj-12, m0sbu-11, ubseds13, sp9uob-%, wb8elk-6, ubseds14, wb8elk-7, sp9uob-11, dl1nbr-12, dk3sb-12, w7qo-9, wb8elk-13, ubseds15, dl4mdw-12
[18:40] <SM0ULC-Reb> mm
[18:41] <lz1dev> .hysplit
[18:41] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT available for: 03SP9UOB-10, W7QO-9
[18:41] <lz1dev> hmm
[18:41] <lz1dev> .hysplit run UBSEDS15
[18:41] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
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[18:48] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> hysplit up, it keeps circling
[18:54] <SM0ULC-Reb> i should finish my checks of airborne aprs in the nordics
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[19:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4SES-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4SES-11
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[21:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CX1AA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CX1AA-11
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[21:47] <richardeoin> just uploaded the backlog from ubseds15
[21:47] <richardeoin> about 10 points so far
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[22:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 0311 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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