highaltitude.log.20160606

[00:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM6AOX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM6AOX-11
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[01:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CX1AA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CX1AA-11
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[06:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-9 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-9
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[09:07] <AndyEsser> eurgh, bad timing for these last batch of EMF tickets :(
[09:08] <russss> everything is bad timing for someone
[09:09] <AndyEsser> indeed
[09:09] <AndyEsser> I should've not quit my job for 1 more month :P
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[11:05] <AndyEsser> Right, notice given and accepted - it's all official \o/
[11:05] Action: AndyEsser starts to pnaic
[11:05] <AndyEsser> panic*
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[11:13] <Vaizki> keep calm and carry on
[11:14] <fsphil> never forget where your towel is
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[11:18] <nick_> AndyEsser: will you actually have to serve your notice?
[11:18] <AndyEsser> yes, barring a couple days
[11:18] <AndyEsser> finishing in 4 weeks, rather than 1 month
[11:18] <AndyEsser> so I can start the new role on Monday 4th July
[11:18] <nick_> You don't have any holiday left?
[11:18] <AndyEsser> which equates to like.... an extra £1260
[11:19] <AndyEsser> nick_: 1/2 day
[11:23] <nick_> Sometimes I wish my holiday was tracked so I could get paid for unused days when my contract expires.
[11:24] <nick_> I must have a lot unused, but I could only guess how many.
[11:25] <nick_> ~1 month probably.
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[11:25] <AndyEsser> not bad
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[11:27] <nick_> It's bad in the sense that I'm unlikely to use them or get paid for them.
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[11:30] <mfa298> depending on the contract you're potentially getting paid for that holiday anyway. I know the UK is reasonably generous for statutory holiday but also strict in that you can't be paid extra to not take it.
[11:30] <nick_> I'm supposed to be self-managing and make sure I take all my holiday.
[11:31] <AndyEsser> you need to make sure you take the statutory minimum, otherwise the HSE can come down hard on your employer
[11:33] <Vaizki> umm here you MUST be paid extra if you have unspent holidays, especially if you quit
[11:34] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: it's the same here - but it seems that nick_ doesn't keep track of what's spent/unspent :P
[11:34] <Vaizki> well the company must have books on that?
[11:34] <AndyEsser> not necessarily
[11:35] <Vaizki> hmm.. at least here the EU book keeping regulations require us to keep "pay for accrued vacation time" in a separate bookkeeping account
[11:35] <Vaizki> as it is a liability for the company
[11:35] <cm13g09> mfa298: PM?
[11:35] <Vaizki> but maybe the UK is not playing by the same EU book.. :)
[11:36] <Vaizki> that bookkeeping requirement also means the company must be fully aware of vacation days that are unspent
[11:36] <cm13g09> Vaizki: the UK wants to play by its own rules, but be in the EU.... if you ask some people.... and if you ask others it wants to play by the EU's rules but be out of it ;)
[11:36] <AndyEsser> already had one EU politics discusion this morning
[11:36] <AndyEsser> staying out of another one :)
[11:36] <nick_> The fact that I'm self managing means that I don't have to stick to the EU working time directives.
[11:37] <cm13g09> AndyEsser: I'm not saying any more....
[11:37] <AndyEsser> :)
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[11:37] <Vaizki> nick_, so just tell everyone you're taking july off.. someone will tell you if you don't have the vacation days for it :D
[11:37] <nick_> We love the EU here, don't let our stupid referendum trick you into thinking otherwise.
[11:38] <nick_> Well, I wouldn't have to tell anyone.
[11:38] <murb> ah yeah the conservative party leadership primary.
[11:38] <murb> which boris may yet lose.
[11:38] <nick_> I'd just get people pissed at me that I'm not getting my work done.
[11:38] <murb> looks to be about 50/50 though.
[11:38] <murb> well 42/42 with loads of undecideds at the moment.
[11:38] <nick_> I can't really believe it's 50/50.
[11:38] <Vaizki> I can't really believe Trump/Hillary is 50/50 .. :)
[11:39] <cm13g09> nobody really knows what they want....
[11:39] <cm13g09> and that's the problem
[11:39] <nick_> Although my social circle is heavily biased towards staying in the EU.
[11:39] <mattbrejza> http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result its not 50:50...
[11:39] <cm13g09> they just know they don't want certain things...
[11:39] <mfa298> for the UK statatory leave you're already paid for it and it's then a case of use or lose it (and I think it's illegal for the employer to offer to pay you to work it). If you quit then it can be taken into account (effectivly added onto when you leave I think)
[11:39] <nick_> What anti-EU people want is not really for use to leave the EU, but really to stop immigration.
[11:40] <nick_> Leaving the EU and screwing up the economy may bring that about.
[11:41] <nick_> Leaving the EU and making EU citizens go through the same hassle non-EU citizens have to go through would definitely bring it about.
[11:41] <russss> the betting odds are still in favour of remain, but I'm not entirely sure why
[11:41] <Vaizki> mfa298, here the employer is obliged to arrange for a vacation, whether you want it or not.. it can be postponed but in all cases it should be used. but it's the employer's responsibility to allocate you a vacation...
[11:41] <murb> nick_: and massively default their british passports, unless of course they happen to be irish or commonwealth citizens...
[11:41] <murb> (who also get a vote in it.)
[11:42] <Vaizki> the reality is that vacations get postponed forever and there is limited carryover so the "expiring" days can get converted to money
[11:42] <murb> a leave vote will certainly shake things upin spain and gibraltar.
[11:42] <nick_> If you look at our non-EU migration policy that's quite a mess.
[11:42] <russss> I need to get my bet for leave in so I have some cash to commiserate with
[11:42] <murb> not sure how pleasant it'll be for me living with a british passport in germany.
[11:42] <murb> russss: or to pay for new passports, with all those stamps we'll be gathering.
[11:43] <nick_> Essentially we want bankers and noone else, if that policy is to be believed.
[11:43] <murb> and visa costs for all those places who do receiprocol visa foo, except oh wait the uk isn't in schengen so gets to make its only non eu visa policy anyway, we woz lied too!
[11:43] <mfa298> the interesting one I came across was banks (or at least some) would enforce a week long holiday - as a measure to make comiting fraud harder.
[11:44] <murb> and i'll have to give back all our .eu domains.
[11:44] <Vaizki> you should be in schengen.. now I have a problem I'm coming to London tomorrow but I need to leave my passport at the chinese embassy for a visa
[11:44] <murb> Vaizki: well you still need documents for travel even in schengen.
[11:44] <Vaizki> sure but an ID card is enough
[11:45] <murb> Vaizki: i've been checked picking up a friend from the station in germany.
[11:45] <Vaizki> oh I forgot you don't do IDs in the UK.. ;)
[11:45] <murb> i'd not even been on a train!
[11:45] <murb> just my car running to the platform.
[11:45] <murb> and tacked by some large gentlemen
[11:45] <Vaizki> you looked ungerman
[11:45] <murb> who foruntely shouted police before i smaked them one.
[11:46] <nick_> Vaizki: we do do IDs, we just don't really recognise it.
[11:46] <nick_> We essentially use driving licenses as ID.
[11:47] <murb> nick_: you forgot gas bills!
[11:47] <murb> gas bill, mobile phone bill, cast iron identity :)
[11:47] <Vaizki> yea.. I have followed your national ID projects from afar with a mixture of perplexed curiosity and dumbfounded disbelief
[11:47] <murb> actually i once entered the uk based on my german driving licence.
[11:47] <murb> as they wouldn't accept my nearly 10 year old passport photo.
[11:49] <Vaizki> you would not believe how well the national id system etc works here.. it's like magic
[11:49] <russss> the UK has a long-standing dislike of centralised identity databases
[11:50] <russss> I think it holds quite strong connotations of fascism
[11:50] <russss> for some reason
[11:50] <Vaizki> when I needed a new passport for my son (with my ex wife), I did the application online and got immediate confirmation that his fingerprints are on file and approved his photo that was uploaded by the photobooth automatically. thne my ex got an email and signed the passport application with her mobile phone sim card which is linked to her national id.
[11:50] <Vaizki> and I signed the application with my mobile phone
[11:51] <Vaizki> 3 days later the passport was done and delivered to a nearby police station
[11:51] <nick_> Wow.
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[11:54] <AndyEsser> murb: contractor friend of mine lives in Germany - he's married to a german woman, so he should be ok from a resident POV - but seriously unsure about business side of things
[11:54] <AndyEsser> I really do not understand the intense hatred this country has on national ID schemes
[11:54] <murb> AndyEsser: well i suspect they might want me to do all the integration crap that eu citizens are excempt from.
[11:55] <murb> AndyEsser: except i already did it when i first came to germany, i should try and find the paperwork.
[11:55] <murb> although didn't bother trying to get Zertifikate deutsch or anything which is required for citizenship, as what is the point? you have more rights as an eu citizen from another state, than a local citizen.
[11:56] <murb> as if they pull any shit you can get help from both the EU and your home EU state, so consular assistance, translations incase of any legal problems etc etc.
[11:56] <murb> now there is such a back log there is little chance of sorting out citizenship in under 2 years.
[11:56] <nick_> In the UK being the non-EU citizen spouse of a UK citizen means you're likely able to get a visa to live here, but it's expensive and somewhat painful.
[11:56] <murb> which would mean getting citizenship as a non eu citizen which makes it more complicated and requires giving up your original scitizenship.
[11:57] <murb> and don't ask me about pension entitlements and my 19 years of national insurance contributions..
[11:58] <murb> so hopefully interesting times that won't come about.
[11:58] <nick_> I think my wife paid something like £750 last time she applied.
[11:58] <nick_> This time there's some extra fee to pay into the NHS too.
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[12:00] <zyp> Vaizki, where's «here»?
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[13:01] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/Jethz/status/739798691192680448
[13:01] <AndyEsser> good launch weather :)
[13:06] <Vaizki> zyp, Finland.. I live in Espoo (next to Helsinki)
[13:07] <zyp> ah
[13:10] <Vaizki> looked up andenes.. beautiful place
[13:11] <Vaizki> just a bit remote for me to be fair .. I love nature etc but for me the winters would be very tough indeed
[13:14] <zyp> agreed, I've never regretted moving south :)
[13:14] <zyp> but it was a nice place to grow up, and it's a nice place to visit a couple of times a year
[13:15] <Vaizki> I have been to Bergen and Vadsø but nothing in between there. I should, it's not that far..
[13:27] <mfa298> AndyEsser: that must be photoshopped, not enough cloud to be real
[13:28] <AndyEsser> mfa298: I think that's the joke as to why it's the rarest image of the UK :P
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[13:43] <AndroUser> Hello
[13:43] <AndroUser> Is there anyone here
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[13:44] <AndroUser> Hi
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[13:52] <Hilts> Has anyone tried getting RTTY running on an RFM69. RFM22b is so,...drifty. Any code snipits out there? Thanks.
[13:55] <mfa298> Hilts: I did try rtty on the RFM69 once as a PoC and it seemed to work.
[13:55] <mfa298> I think it was just a case of turn on the tx and adjust the carrier frequency for the required shift
[14:01] <Hilts> Thanks. Yea, I need to get the training wheels off an really learn to work at the register level.
[14:01] <Hilts> Just thought I would ask.
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[14:24] <Markmdh> could I please ask for a flight doc to be approved for a launch? :)
[14:24] <AndyEsser> Stickl the Flight Doc ID over in #habhub
[14:24] <AndyEsser> stick*
[14:25] <Markmdh> Thanks Andy!
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[14:31] <arjunnaha> So apparently, our school can't support us and we can't use their name because the local authority said the school have to be responsible for the balloon throughout the entire journey. They were scared it would land on a power/telephone :(
[14:31] <mattbrejza> dont they have insurance for that sort of thing?
[14:32] <arjunnaha> Public liability insurers don't cover it
[14:32] <arjunnaha> The policy our school has is crap
[14:33] Action: AndyEsser goes off to check his PL insurance
[14:33] <mattbrejza> you have personal PL insurance?
[14:33] <AndyEsser> no, my LTD company does
[14:33] <mattbrejza> oh
[14:33] <AndyEsser> have had to take it out for this new contracting role
[14:34] <Vaizki> yea it's a common requirement.. we have one for up to about 4M in damages..
[14:35] <Vaizki> I have a bit of difficulty seeing how I could cause 4M of PL damage with a bit of python code but hey it's requirement to get the contract :)
[14:35] <AndyEsser> £10,000,000 Employers Liability, £2,000,000 Public Liability and £1,000,000 Professional Indemnity insurance
[14:35] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: one can dream :)
[14:36] <arjunnaha> Silly they tell us now after 2+ years and a lot of funding from them
[14:36] <arjunnaha> Jokes on them lol
[14:43] <daveake> After 60 launches my only after-landing expense was a box of beer for a farmer
[14:44] <daveake> That's excluding the payloads won by the sea
[14:54] <arjunnaha> I've hopefully got a lot of successful launches to come :)
[14:59] <Oddstr13> See anything I've messed up so badly that I'd want it fixed before first run? :P http://gerblook.org/pcb/bLJvKhir8Y7AuMJ7mw2YKa http://gerblook.org/pcb/B6cyqY8Hidwvd85mLqTJ4h http://gerblook.org/pcb/Cxsmkri9UEp7XsndVGV3PW http://gerblook.org/pcb/j2uVwwjhUxjX2QCpmFKUUc
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[15:40] <astrobiologist> afternoon
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[16:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BERKOHAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BERKOHAB
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[17:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARNABY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARNABY
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[18:58] <AndyEsser> have a new favourite phrase
[18:58] <AndyEsser> "rapid unscheduled disassembly"
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[21:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SKYBLUE1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKYBLUE1
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[21:17] <Laurenceb__> richardeoin: congrats on circumnavigation
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> only 4th? team to do it
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[21:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HILCOX - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HILCOX
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[22:02] <fsphil> !dial HILCOX
[22:02] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[22:02] <fsphil> !HANGUP
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[22:06] <mfa298> on the plus side at least he's tested it and announced it
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[22:07] <mfa298> he's doing better than some ......
[22:11] <lz1dev> would it be rude if i add an offset to his coordinates? xdd
[22:12] <mfa298> maybe that's what should happen by default if you don't have a flight doc.
[22:13] <mfa298> ofset = rand * seq number
[22:14] <lz1dev> i was thinking a list of tasks, each earns you 1 digit of percision
[22:17] <AndyEsser> ha
[22:20] <mfa298> you should trademrk that idea before someone else sees what you're doing and trademarks it.
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[22:22] <Vaizki> I read 1 degree of precision and thought that's a bit harsh
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[22:39] <richardeoin> Laurenceb__: Thanks, yep I think 4th
[22:39] <richardeoin> it's 2nd in the duration stakes too, just ahead of B-63 and B-66
[22:40] <richardeoin> will try to submit it to arhab at some point
[22:40] <Laurenceb__> cool
[22:40] <Laurenceb__> did you manage to plot the float pressure?
[22:41] <Laurenceb__> I might have a go later if not
[22:41] <Laurenceb__> I need to check my gravity model, it might just explain the correlation with latitude if I got a sign wrong
[22:44] <richardeoin> nope still distracted
[22:45] <richardeoin> the files on http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout only seemed to hang about for a day though, so I've been archiving them
[22:45] <Laurenceb__> ah good plan
[22:45] <Laurenceb__> I ran some tests to look at the geoid model, seems like it was being applied correctly in my code
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[22:55] <Laurenceb__> its a bit tricky try to get <~50Pa drift
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[22:55] <Laurenceb__> thats like 5m offset at sea level O_o
[22:55] <richardeoin> Laurenceb__: here's the tdumps.txt s if you want them, going back to the 12th https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1mchlQZetn7SlRHOXdoQnd4SnM/view?usp=sharing
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[22:58] <Laurenceb__> ok... maybe later :P
[22:59] <richardeoin> yep, I will get round to it eventually :P
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[23:47] <Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/F8dHAq2
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