highaltitude.log.20160529

[00:03] <Ian_> 1N at 1m/s?
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[00:47] <SpeedEvil> AndyEsser: g is not 10.
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[01:48] <AndyEsser> SpeedEvil: didn't say it as
[01:48] <AndyEsser> was*
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[01:52] <SpeedEvil> you did
[01:52] <SpeedEvil> err
[01:52] <SpeedEvil> sorry
[01:52] <AndyEsser> I never implied a = g
[01:52] Action: SpeedEvil is not awake
[01:52] <AndyEsser> :)
[01:52] <SpeedEvil> and yes, then, not ish.
[01:52] Action: AndyEsser hands SpeedEvil a coffee
[01:52] <AndyEsser> ta :)
[01:53] Action: AndyEsser makes note not to use 10m/s^2 as a dummy acceleration in future examples :)
[03:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CLT2634_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLT2634_chase
[03:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03(214)723-9758_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=(214)723-9758_chase
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[07:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI after 0319 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI
[07:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[07:49] <Bobsagetyt> Hello high altitude, I was wondering if anyone knows where to find some ublox eva-7m-0 for testing ??
[07:50] <Bobsagetyt> They seem like they should work nicely for hab no?
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[08:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK6GB _chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK6GB%20_chase
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[09:58] <jakeio> fsphil, may I ask why fswebcam is adjusting my resolution down from 3 megapixels (2048x1536) to 1280x960?
[10:00] <PE2BZ> jakeio not being fsphil, but did you set the resolution for the height (currently being expected to be around 0) ?
[10:01] <jakeio> I'm afraid I'm not sure I know what you mean.
[10:01] <fsphil> jakeio: are you sure the webcam can do 2048x1536?
[10:01] <PE2BZ> In the pisky.txt there are different resolution settings for different heights. I assume to avoid sending large high res pictures from all the people around the launch
[10:02] <fsphil> a lot of manufacturers lie about that
[10:03] <jakeio> Well, Logitech did say that their camera could do "3megapixel stills".
[10:05] <fsphil> what model?
[10:05] <jakeio> Erm... C270
[10:05] <fsphil> logitech do this sometimes, then somewhere in the small print they mention that it's a lie. they just scale it up
[10:06] <jakeio> PE2BZ, do you mean, for different altitudes? Changing the resolution of taken pictures? I'm sorry, I didn't really see what you meant!
[10:06] <fsphil> yeah, "3 Megapixel Interpolated"
[10:06] <jakeio> OK, that's good of them...
[10:06] <PE2BZ> Indeed, that was what I ment
[10:06] <russss> lol. they might as well say "300 megapixel interpolated"
[10:06] <fsphil> yep lol
[10:07] <fsphil> 3 is probably as far as they can get before most people would notice
[10:08] <PE2BZ> Optical Resolution (True) 1280 x 960 1.2MP
[10:08] <PE2BZ> http://support.logitech.com/en_us/article/17556
[10:08] <fsphil> it's a really nasty trick
[10:08] <mfa298> where's the b-ark when you need it
[10:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cmb 7425_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cmb%207425_chase
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[10:19] <Ian_> Interpolated = wildly optimistic marketing term for imagined and siezed upon by the inexprienced who think that all people naturally tell the truth when seeking to empty your purse/wallet.
[10:20] <Ian_> I seem to think that the practice is not as prevelent as it once was. The public got slightly smarter . . . way to go!
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[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-C1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C1
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[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BUZZ - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BUZZ
[10:56] <daveake> WB Buzz :)
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[11:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-7 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-7
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9HFJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9HFJ-11
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[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-9 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-9
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[12:49] <Vaizki_> Ian_: extrapolation allows you to tie the imaginary data set to reality only on one end.. much more fun :)
[13:00] <fsphil> I got tricked my it too. Never expected logitech to lie about their specs
[13:00] <fsphil> my/by
[13:08] <daveake> It's like RMS --> Peak Power, where the multiplier is how many drinks Marketing downed for lunch
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[13:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD5GOM-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
[13:30] <AndyEsser> I don't want to go back to work on Tuesday :( have enjoyed this week off doing rocket/balloon and electronics stuff
[13:30] <AndyEsser> :(
[13:30] <fsphil> I'm having an oddly productive long weekend too. most unnatural
[13:30] <fsphil> normally I bum about and do nothing
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[13:30] <AndyEsser> Was up until 5am this morning working on stuff, then back up at 10
[13:31] <AndyEsser> have glanced at source code... need to do more work
[13:31] <Vaizki_> I'm heating up my sauna and drinking beer
[13:31] <AndyEsser> damn you
[13:31] <AndyEsser> I only have one beer in the house
[13:33] <Vaizki_> https://imgur.com/a/g6HBe
[13:33] <AndyEsser> I have one of those as well
[13:33] <AndyEsser> but given it's hot and sunny outside, seems odd to light it up :P
[13:33] <Vaizki_> seems to be going well, will move to a hammock with the beer
[13:33] <Vaizki_> you have a sauna?
[13:34] <AndyEsser> o sorry - just looked like a log burner
[13:34] <Vaizki_> Naah http://www.harvia.fi/content/en/40/16345/Harvia%20Linear%2016%20%20novelty.html
[13:35] <AndyEsser> nice
[13:36] <Vaizki_> Sauna + swim in the sea ETA 1 hour
[13:37] <Vaizki_> so just bumming around really :)
[13:37] <AndyEsser> stop rubbing it in
[13:37] <fsphil> but I'll have written some code. so who's the real winner here (don't answer that)
[13:38] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:40] <AndyEsser> fsphil: want to write my code for me?
[13:43] <Vaizki_> https://imgur.com/a/0E05h
[13:43] <Vaizki_> cheers
[13:45] <fsphil> lol
[13:46] <AndyEsser> beer is a bit small
[13:47] <Vaizki_> yea I have many many of them
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[14:48] <fsphil> http://hackaday.com/2016/05/29/ozqube-1-a-tiny-australian-satellite/
[14:49] <Ian_> I too noticed that the size of the can was very small. You would certainly need twice as many as anticipated. Maybe marketing interpolate beer too. What is the volume of the can of beer?
[14:49] <AndyEsser> I believe that's the project the guy I've been speaking to about mini-satellites is working on
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[14:58] <mfa298> Ian_: depends on which supermarket you visit, I've seen 500ml cans and 450ml cans for the same beer in different supermarkets.
[14:59] <Ian_> Someone is out to fleece the guy who wants a quick refill for his mates party
[15:00] <Ian_> You would think that they would aim for consistency with beer at least.
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[15:12] <PE2BZ> Ian_ Interpolate beer ? Does Logitech sell beer allready ?
[15:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-C2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C2
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[15:55] <fsphil> interploating beer, is that adding water?
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[16:08] <Vaizki_> standard beer size here is 330ml
[16:08] Action: mfa298 wonders what kind of looks you'd get if you asked the pub landlord if the beer is interpolated.
[16:08] <Vaizki_> so I just have two
[16:09] <Vaizki_> cans because getting stuff to the island is a job enough, dragging back empties hnngh
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[16:22] <thasti> what balloon and what amount of helium would you recommend for a 900g payload? criteria: burst altitude >20km, enough free lift margin for ice/rain on the envelope
[16:26] <AndyEsser> http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
[16:26] <AndyEsser> use the calculator at the bottom of this page
[16:31] <thasti> HY-500 looks good to me then - burst at ~28km, 700g of free lift, any objections?
[16:38] <adamgreig> you can also check against this calculator http://habhub.org/calc/
[16:39] <adamgreig> 500g balloon feels a bit small for a 900g payload for me
[16:39] <adamgreig> but if your criteria is just 20km altitude that should work OK
[16:42] <thasti> i think we might rather go for more than less then
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[16:50] <Laurenceb__> any linux gurus here? I seemt o have a hard drive issue :S
[16:51] <Laurenceb__> my hard drive has gone read only / write protected and I'm trying to fix it
[16:52] <AndyEsser> What filesystem? if it's mouinted in read-only then either an issue in your fstab
[16:52] <AndyEsser> or corrupt journal
[16:52] <Laurenceb__> ext4 or something
[16:52] <AndyEsser> what's the contents of /etc/fstab
[16:54] <Laurenceb__> # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 # / was on /dev/sda5 during installation UUID=cb524ecd-0dee-4302-8614-d96a78a546d2 / ext4 errors=remount-ro,user_xattr 0 1
[16:54] <Laurenceb__> thats the mount point - sda5
[16:54] <AndyEsser> errors=remount-ro
[16:54] <AndyEsser> suspect there's an issue so won't mount in write mode
[16:55] <Laurenceb__> any idea on best course of action at this point?
[16:55] <Laurenceb__> is rebooting a bad idea?
[16:55] <hosler> Laurenceb__: remount in read write mode
[16:55] <Laurenceb__> ok, but how?
[16:56] <hosler> might have to google that
[16:56] <hosler> but you dont need to reboot to remount
[16:56] <Laurenceb__> I think I've tried already
[16:56] <Laurenceb__> - remounting
[16:56] <hosler> sometimes my /boot gets mounted as readonly and i gotta remount it
[16:56] <Laurenceb__> hmm I'll try again then
[16:56] <hosler> mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point
[16:57] <Laurenceb__> "you must specify the filesystem type"
[16:57] <hosler> do you know the type?
[16:58] <Laurenceb__> ext4 iirc
[16:58] <hosler> add -t ext4 i think
[16:58] <Laurenceb__> giving an error as its write protected now
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[16:59] <hosler> are you root?
[16:59] <Laurenceb__> yes
[17:00] <hosler> dang im all out of ideas then
[17:00] <hosler> check your fstab and reboot
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[17:00] <Laurenceb__> hmm this had better boot up :S
[17:00] <hosler> i think that error=remount-ro means it's remounting itself after finding an error
[17:01] <Laurenceb__> ok
[17:01] <hosler> you can try taking out that bit
[17:01] <Laurenceb__> what just delete it?!
[17:01] <Laurenceb__> ok
[17:01] <hosler> or replace it with continue
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[17:03] <Laurenceb__> can't write anything lol
[17:03] <Laurenceb__> of course
[17:03] <hosler> oh dang haha
[17:03] <hosler> forgot about that
[17:04] <hosler> i guess you gotta reboot and pray it doesnt have any error, or get into a livecd to change fstab file
[17:04] <Laurenceb__> maybe I should try rebooting, I'd put chances of success as low
[17:04] <Laurenceb__> ah good idea, I'll keep live cd as backup option
[17:04] <Laurenceb__> here goes
[17:05] <PE2BZ> I assume that you did try the Linux version of checkdisk ? e2fsck /dev/sda5
[17:05] <hosler> yeah that will makr your bad blocks for you
[17:05] <hosler> im surprised ubuntu doesnt run that automaticaly after finding errors
[17:05] <Laurenceb__> nah boot failed
[17:06] <Laurenceb__> it aborted to busybox
[17:06] <hosler> i dunno why remounting doesnt work
[17:07] <PE2BZ> I suppose because it has some kind of error. Does busybox support e2fsck (or fsck ) ?
[17:07] <hosler> yeah
[17:07] <Laurenceb__> I should probably remove hard drive and try to recover data
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[17:11] <Laurenceb__> no init found
[17:11] <Laurenceb__> tons of ata errors
[17:11] <Laurenceb__> maybe a cable is loose?
[17:12] <PE2BZ> is /dev/sda5 a ¨single disk¨ or a partition on /dev/sda ?
[17:12] <Laurenceb__> a partition
[17:12] <Laurenceb__> but it looks like the whole drive is dead
[17:12] <PE2BZ> and the other partitions are fine ?
[17:12] <Laurenceb__> no
[17:13] <Laurenceb__> seems to effect everything on /dev/sda
[17:13] <PE2BZ> You have read access now, or all you get is errors ?
[17:13] <Laurenceb__> all I get is errors
[17:13] <Laurenceb__> I cant boot the system
[17:13] <Laurenceb__> it aborts to busybox
[17:13] <PE2BZ> Sh.t ... And e2fsck can not solve anything ?
[17:14] <Laurenceb__> wait.. busybox cant come from nowhere
[17:14] <Laurenceb__> hdd must be alive
[17:16] <hosler> yeah you got something weird going on
[17:16] <hosler> is your PSU good?
[17:16] <hosler> also post some logs if you can
[17:17] <PE2BZ> http://askubuntu.com/questions/137655/boot-drops-to-a-initramfs-prompts-busybox
[17:17] <Laurenceb__> cant really do anything
[17:17] <Laurenceb__> I'll try burning a live cd
[17:17] <hosler> Laurenceb__: also run fsck like PE2BZ suggested
[17:17] <Laurenceb__> hmm ok ill try that
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[17:48] <mfa298> might have been useful to look at dmesg before rebooting as that might have told you why it re-mounted as read only.
[17:49] <mfa298> although ata errors might mean dead disk, hopefully you've got some backups
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[18:43] <fl_0> re
[18:43] <fl_0> wooha
[18:43] <fl_0> recovered the payload of DL0CRE-11 today
[18:44] Action: PE2BZ starts a big applause !
[18:44] <PE2BZ> Well done. Much trouble ?
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[18:52] <fl_0> PE0SAT: jupp
[18:52] <fl_0> landet on thursday
[18:52] <fl_0> couldn't recover it by then
[18:53] <fl_0> so we went to the landing site once again today
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[18:53] <fl_0> with a long rope and shook the tree
[18:53] <fl_0> =)
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[19:10] <Vaizki_> brute force success :)
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[19:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cmb 7425_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cmb%207425_chase
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[20:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.gearbest.com/action-cameras/pp_334095.html
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> I have not used this, though someone in another channel has
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[20:15] <fl_0> https://twitter.com/hashtag/n18ballonmission
[20:15] <fl_0> some pics in there
[20:15] <fl_0> for those who are interested
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[20:57] <AndyEsser> jakeio: What time tomorrow?
[21:05] <mfa298> the important bit of information :p
[21:05] <fsphil> more vague than a UPS delivery driver estimate
[21:06] <AndyEsser> "Your payload will be launched tomorrow. Have a nice day"
[21:07] <mfa298> Just think, if it was a DPD type launch we'de know when it was landing and at least a 4fig grid reference for landing location
[21:07] <AndyEsser> just so long as we don't model off UPS :P
[21:07] <jakeio> AndyEsser, midday.
[21:07] <jakeio> Sorry.
[21:07] <jakeio> I completely neglected that.
[21:07] <AndyEsser> that's fine
[21:07] <AndyEsser> so like... 2pm launch :P
[21:07] <jakeio> No, definitely not! I'll be at the launch site from 9AM.
[21:08] <mfa298> would be worse if it was china post, It'll launch some time between Friday and August
[21:08] <fsphil> oh I'm off tomorrow and the weather's to be nice. good day for a bit of tracking
[21:08] <AndyEsser> mfa298: Ha!
[21:08] <fsphil> lol
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[21:10] <mfa298> jakeio: what sort of direction are the predictions going, are they still west (I think that was what you had last week)
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[21:10] <jakeio> No, it's going mostly north now.
[21:10] <jakeio> Landing in Peterchurch.
[21:10] <jakeio> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=963a55b7131ad0dd570bc8a9528cdec04729c374
[21:10] <fsphil> not bad
[21:10] <AndyEsser> I'm not driving to South Wales again :P
[21:10] <fsphil> I like these short distance flights
[21:11] <fsphil> yeah we nearly lost you last time
[21:11] <AndyEsser> ha
[21:11] <jakeio> I'm pretty happy with that. It's also not too hilly around there.
[21:11] <jakeio> Unlike most of Wales :P
[21:11] <jakeio> Well.
[21:11] <jakeio> It's actually England...
[21:12] <daveake> If it lands near the top of the east side of one of the right hills, I'll rx after it lands
[21:12] <jakeio> Thanks!
[21:13] <daveake> hills can make it tricky to find the payload
[21:13] <daveake> LOS and suitable roads both being limited
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[21:15] <AndyEsser> will try and get my antenna set up again to track it
[21:15] <jakeio> Thanks guys!
[21:20] <SM0ULC-Reb> nice short run :)
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[21:23] <AndyEsser> good lord my maths is so bad :(
[21:23] <AndyEsser> really wish I'd paid more attention at a-level
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[21:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK9WI after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK9WI
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[22:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM6AOX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM6AOX-11
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[23:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kc3bgv_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kc3bgv_chase
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