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[06:19] <DL5SFI_Steffen> good morning
[06:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL2YED_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL2YED_chase
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[06:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DF2ET_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DF2ET_chase
[06:48] <fl_0> good morning from DL0CRE-11 mission team
[06:48] <fl_0> we arrived at the launch site
[06:49] <fl_0> http://wiki.n18.de/doku.php?id=n18-ballonmission:liveticker
[06:49] <fl_0> :)
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[07:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL0CRE-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL0CRE-11
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[07:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JULO-17 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JULO-17
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[07:40] <arjunnaha> Does anyone recall the name of the company that did the mass launch a few weeks ago?
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[07:41] <x-f> YEOTY? BARC
[07:42] <arjunnaha> Sent into Space, got it
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[08:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-C2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C2
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[08:52] <olejl77> Are there anyone from Norway on this channel?
[08:58] <Vaizki_> Oddstr13 is from Norway
[08:58] <Vaizki_> I am from Finland so across the border ;)
[08:59] <Vaizki_> then again I am just 2 borders away from North Korea.. strange world ;)
[09:03] <olejl77> OK. We are planning to send up a baloon with with some kids. We are on the west cost of Norway so Finland is propbaly to far away regarding tracking assistance :)
[09:03] <Vaizki_> whereabouts in Norway? Bergen?
[09:03] <fl_0> DL0CRE ist on its way
[09:03] <fl_0> if anyone wants to track
[09:03] <Vaizki_> fl_0, good luck!
[09:03] <fl_0> Vaizki_: tnx
[09:04] <olejl77> Bømlo actually, an island just south of Bergen
[09:04] <Vaizki_> ok well several swedish guys here who can help out I'm sure
[09:06] <olejl77> Just checking if we have to plan all the tracking ourselves
[09:07] <Vaizki_> you should.. RTTY tracker?
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[09:07] <olejl77> thats what we are thinking yes
[09:08] <olejl77> We are in early stages still, but will probably use Pi in the sky
[09:08] <dl0cre> fl_0, DL0CRE Base Station Test
[09:09] <Vaizki_> where are you trying to land it?
[09:11] <Vaizki_> launching from Bømlo looks a bit challenging :)
[09:13] <olejl77> I know, but if find the correct time I think we can manage :)
[09:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> I can be to some acistance, i?m in the soutwest of sweden
[09:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> but can probably only track at 10000m and abowe
[09:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> back to work
[09:16] <Oddstr13> olejl77: I'm currently visiting Bergen actually
[09:17] <fl_0> dl0cre: working
[09:17] <fl_0> hi michael
[09:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> olejl77, Might be worth while asking for an Hourly predictor to show you the patterns ?
[09:18] <Oddstr13> no experience with tracking yet tho, no 'loons have come withing range of Sør-Trøndelag, that I have been aware of anyways :P
[09:18] <dl0cre> fl_0, Seems like there's some QRM on the frequency
[09:18] <fl_0> :(
[09:24] <dl0cre> fl_0, Someone has overlaid some QRM signal over the right half of the RTTY signal. The Automatic frequency shift always wants to go there. so since that started we were not able to decode a packet.
[09:24] <dl0cre> it's audible as well
[09:26] <fl_0> :(
[09:26] <fl_0> we are beginning to follow now
[09:26] <fl_0> hopefully getting a better RX then
[09:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-C1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-C1
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[09:27] <dl0cre> fl_0, Can you decode fine?
[09:28] <fl_0> nope
[09:28] <fl_0> that is why we are moving now
[09:28] <fl_0> :)
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[09:35] <dl0cre> godspeed
[09:36] <fsphil> warp 9, engage
[09:38] <gonzo__> if I give it any more, she'll blow, captain!
[09:38] <gonzo__> (will five pounds be enough??)
[09:40] <Vaizki_> :O
[09:42] <g8fjg> DL0CRE-11 434.250500 .......possibly the one of the worst around here ....qrm
[09:49] <dl0cre> Decode by other stations seems OK
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[09:59] <dl0cre> Decode works again here. Stefan fixed it with IF shift.
[10:03] <fl_0> :)
[10:03] <fl_0> looks like great pics
[10:03] <fl_0> http://ssdv.habhub.org/DL0CRE
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[10:09] <Vaizki_> nasa also inflating BEAM module at the ISS.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDh4uK9PvJU
[10:17] <g8fjg> $$DL0CRE-11,576,10:16:26,51.7147,7a03f1,q.0,0.20,-37,13, -12.*6280 still reds in the qrm :-(
[10:18] <fsphil> ah piccys
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[10:19] <daveake> I've got 868 lora set up in my chase car, so should get some more packets as it comes down
[10:20] <daveake> I'll try not to watch the images as I'm driving :)
[10:20] <dl0cre> g8fjg, we were able to mask the QRM with the IF shift
[10:20] <fsphil> hah
[10:22] <g8fjg> d10cre this is 20khz wide pulse ,,I'm using all my filters outside and inside the signal!!
[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just coming up on my wf for DL0CRE
[10:24] <g8fjg> It peaks 20 over noise but really deep fast qsb on the signal here
[10:25] <fl_0> currently making a break
[10:25] <fl_0> :)
[10:27] <fl_0> 34.800m
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[10:30] <fl_0> 34.825m max altitude
[10:30] <fl_0> now on the way back to earth
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[10:36] <dl0cre> fl_0, Signal now very strong here. No more QRM
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[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LEGIOPI2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LEGIOPI2
[10:42] <fl_0> dl0cre: sounds good
[10:42] <fl_0> strong descent now
[10:42] <fl_0> only 14.000m left
[10:44] <dl0cre> fl_0, nice pic of the ballon husk
[10:45] <daveake> hah
[10:45] <daveake> Don't recall seeing that on ssdv before
[10:46] <Vaizki_> nice catch
[10:47] <daveake> imminent stratodangle :p
[10:48] <fsphil> oh neat
[10:49] <fsphil> space squid
[10:50] <daveake> Squids In Spaaaace
[10:54] <fl_0> ok
[10:54] <fl_0> moving again
[10:54] <fl_0> meeting DL2YED
[10:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LEGIOPI1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LEGIOPI1
[11:05] <AndyEsser> my N-type/SMA adaptors from China arrived
[11:05] <AndyEsser> somehow
[11:05] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/735787544378380288
[11:05] <AndyEsser> given that was the address on them
[11:05] <olejl77> Oddstr13: we are only in planning stage, so it will not happen for several months yet ...
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[11:08] <dl0cre> signal getting weaker now as the ballon drops
[11:09] <mfa298> well in theory you should only need the house number and post code, but that might lead to an upset postman.
[11:09] <AndyEsser> mfa298: Should've been delivered to the office, which doesn't have a number - but clearly they ignored the company name, and road
[11:11] <dl0cre> fl_0, Hopefully it does not land on the A1
[11:11] <dl0cre> :D
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VEGA2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VEGA2
[11:13] <Vaizki_> nice.. down to 149m
[11:14] <dl0cre> Landed. Have fun searching, fl_0
[11:14] <dl0cre> ;)
[11:15] <Vaizki_> just find the highest tree...
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[11:31] <pb0ahx> !flights
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03DL0CRE-11 10(3539), 03PITS 868 10(76e7), 03YAM-1 10(8912), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
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[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI868 after 0319 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI868
[11:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI434 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI434
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[11:38] <G0WXI> !dial pi434
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI: Latest dials for 03PI434 10(76e7): none
[11:39] <fsphil> email on the list says 434.250
[11:40] <daveake> Yup
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[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> right that's lunch now to listen :-0
[11:46] <Upu> has it been up ?
[11:47] <Upu> ah ignore me I had all on
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> DL0CRE has
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK everbody Ignore Upu from now on ;-)
[11:47] <Upu> perfect situation normal
[12:00] <pb0ahx> i am now in ignore mode for upu :-0
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Who ? What ? Never heard of him ;-)
[12:02] <pb0ahx> who is he ?>
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[12:03] <PE2BZ> !flights
[12:03] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03DL0CRE-11 10(3539), 03PITS 868 10(76e7), 03YAM-1 10(8912), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[12:03] Nick change: Upu -> AnUpuHasNoName
[12:03] <pb0ahx> er vliegt niets nu
[12:04] <PE2BZ> Goedemiddag Herman. PITS nog niet in de lucht dus ?
[12:04] <pb0ahx> nee helaas
[12:04] <pb0ahx> en ik moet zo weg dus zal wel niets worden
[12:05] <pb0ahx> ga jij nog naar de verkoping van afd denhaag vanavond ?
[12:05] <PE2BZ> Ik ben er net, ik zal wel voor je opletten ;-)
[12:07] <PE2BZ> pb0ahx ik heb even een apart venster geopend
[12:08] Nick change: AnUpuHasNoName -> Upu
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[12:10] <JonnyAlpha> It PITS PI434 launching?
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Probably pumping his mast up as we type!
[12:11] <sirus> ~2h until my launch, should be tracked under K7SDV! wish me luck!
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Good luck!
[12:11] <sirus> Will be out of Nipton, CA, USA
[12:12] <JonnyAlpha> sirus - good luck, too far for me to track :-) sun is shing here though
[12:12] <JonnyAlpha> shining
[12:13] <sirus> there are some digipeaters about so should end up on the map :P
[12:13] <JonnyAlpha> geoff-G8DHE ok, i'll keep an ear out, trying to track my first live flight with AOR AR8000 standard Tele Antenna.
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are you on the tracker map ? JonnyAlpha
[12:16] <daveake> Just waiting for a bit less cloud
[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Poke it away with the top of your mast ?
[12:16] <fsphil> daveake: got a predction handy?
[12:16] <JonnyAlpha> Not listening yet, but will be in the top LH tip of North devon, prob CAEN_MC1
[12:16] <fsphil> +i
[12:17] <AndyEsser> should go and erect my antenna...
[12:17] <daveake> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=084f5481836a2414a17b2de08a2907db7b0836df
[12:18] <fsphil> It's time to track HABs and chew bubble gum.
[12:18] <daveake> However, it's H2 and small payload/large balloon, so the ascent rate will be slow to start with, so that first leg will take it further north
[12:18] <fsphil> hah, that's even worse
[12:18] <daveake> I know
[12:18] <AndyEsser> guess even more reason I should get my antenna set up
[12:19] <daveake> I'm not too fussed if it's lost
[12:19] <AndyEsser> going to try and get it even higher today
[12:19] <fsphil> just advertise it as a free pi zero
[12:19] <fsphil> collection required
[12:19] <daveake> "even" ... well, last one was a low burst
[12:19] <daveake> free pi zero and sony cam
[12:19] <AndyEsser> ha
[12:19] Action: AndyEsser gets in his car
[12:20] <AndyEsser> o0o I guess actually it's not inconceivable for me to chase...
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[12:20] <fsphil> unless it floats
[12:20] <AndyEsser> although would be stumbling in the dark with just the last reported position
[12:20] <AndyEsser> no Yagi type antenna for DFing it
[12:20] <fsphil> the last positions are usually good enough to get you near enough to get a more accurate position
[12:21] <AndyEsser> it'll likely land in Snowdonia though, and I don't fancy hiking for a few miles
[12:21] <AndyEsser> :P
[12:24] <daveake> You're welcome to help chase AndyEsser
[12:24] <AndyEsser> will see how it flies
[12:26] <JonnyAlpha> I'm on the map CAEN_MC1 listening now, also trying to build a colinear in my conservatory, bor RG58U is fiddly :-)
[12:28] <dl0cre> Found the balloon. http://wiki.n18.de/doku.php?id=n18-ballonmission:liveticker
[12:28] <dl0cre> QRT
[12:28] <fsphil> urg
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks nice to climb if your into climbing!
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> lots of branchews
[12:29] <dl0cre> Rescue team has climbing stuff with them. And a chainsaw ;)
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Cheating
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[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh lookno clouds by 16:00 http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Ross_on_Wye/hour_by_hour_detailed.html
[12:32] <AndyEsser> Antenna mounted - about 1m higher than it was on the weekend
[12:32] <AndyEsser> just need to be wary about wind now
[12:35] <AndyEsser> not sure how secure cable ties are from an engineering standpoint ;)
[12:36] <Vaizki_> these are ok .. https://www.amazon.co.uk/STAINLESS-STEEL-CABLE-4-6mm-360mm/dp/B009C85Y1Q
[12:37] <AndyEsser> I don't have those ;)
[12:37] <AndyEsser> have secured the cable this time as well so it doesn't put stress on my laptop
[12:38] <AndyEsser> will relocate to the kitchen once it's launched
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[12:38] <daveake> Payload on and taped up
[12:38] <daveake> Sunny now so I'll go fill the balloon :)
[12:40] <fsphil> the two yagis look all pro lined up like that
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[12:41] <AndyEsser> fsphil: ?
[12:41] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-05-26--12-39-07-PI868-6951.jpeg
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Who was talking about a 3m dish the other day ;-)
[12:41] <AndyEsser> ah
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[12:41] <fsphil> live pics on http://ssdv.habhub.org/PI868
[12:41] <amell> is there a flight this afternoon or did i miss it, or are we into extreme ISH time?
[12:41] <AndyEsser> only ISH by 40 mins
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Cloud watching
[12:41] <fsphil> amell: launching shortly
[12:42] <amell> ok cool. my new SD card for the pi arrived so....
[12:42] <amell> is it going east?
[12:42] <fsphil> fire proof hopefully
[12:42] <AndyEsser> :)
[12:42] <fsphil> up mostly
[12:42] <amell> sorry, just got back from airport. so a bit behind
[12:42] <fsphil> it's not moving too far, a bit to the north west
[12:42] <amell> will i get it in cambridge?
[12:43] <fsphil> oh yes
[12:43] <fsphil> it's hopefully going to get very high
[12:43] <amell> Ah. ok. Ill set up then
[12:46] <fsphil> weird seeing such large images
[12:46] <daveake> yeah sorry about that :p
[12:46] <AndyEsser> large photos of daveake
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm having to reduce th scale to fit them on the screen!
[12:46] <AndyEsser> same
[12:46] <fsphil> master of his domain
[12:46] <AndyEsser> the shorts are brave
[12:46] <daveake> Perhaps if I go on a diet I'd fit on the screen ...
[12:47] <AndyEsser> daveake: is that your backgarden?
[12:47] <daveake> yes
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Need to reduce the compression I reckon with the speed now available now!
[12:48] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: that's next on the list
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh good not much post processing is viable with the current level!
[12:48] <fsphil> yeah
[12:49] <fsphil> it's fixed quantisation table is ~50% jpeg quality
[12:49] <fsphil> -'
[12:49] <fsphil> it'll probably get an option for 8 levels
[12:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> should be good especially when its higher
[12:50] <fsphil> yeah. not sure if the lower levels have much use though
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[12:51] <dl0cre> The payload was found . In the forest at 15m height :(
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> lets you do some work on the images if there used
[12:51] <dl0cre> DL0CRE
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> dl0cre: yay
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> oh
[12:51] Action: SpeedEvil passes dl0cre a rope.
[12:56] <fsphil> https://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/quality/ -- probably how they will look
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yhey look like that now if you try to sharpen them ;-)
[12:57] <JonnyAlpha> daveake - is that power lines above your house?
[12:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> He squeezes the balloons between them to charge the batteries
[12:59] <g8fjg> couple of Boeing V-22 Osprey just flown over here ...weird
[12:59] <JonnyAlpha> Geoff-G8DHE that's a new version of electromagnetic charging :-)
[12:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/PITS_20160526/index.php?ind=0
[13:00] <JonnyAlpha> Are the pictures coming from Dave's payload camera?
[13:00] <fsphil> yeah
[13:01] <fsphil> it's a new raspberry pi camera, the sony model
[13:01] <Upu> given the size of that bottle its going to be a light payload
[13:01] <JonnyAlpha> Saw his post saying that he was using one, I have just received a new Pi Zero and a new camera which will ho in our payload.
[13:02] <AndyEsser> I may well go chase this one actually
[13:02] <fsphil> I found a use for a pizero recently. shame you can't buy them
[13:02] Action: AndyEsser works out how to mount antenna to car
[13:02] <fsphil> did you get that magmount I suggested? :)
[13:02] <AndyEsser> no
[13:02] <JonnyAlpha> Latest forecast from Farnell for my A+ and B+ is August :-(
[13:02] <AndyEsser> because I've had no plans to chase recently
[13:02] <AndyEsser> base station tracking first
[13:02] <AndyEsser> chasing later :P
[13:03] <JonnyAlpha> Pi Zero was available from Pi Hut last week, one per order.
[13:03] <AndyEsser> I could take my antenna with me, and set it up occasionally
[13:03] <fsphil> always worth having a magmount or two
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[13:03] <AndyEsser> Yea, I'll probably pack it all up, and the shitty monopole thing and go from there
[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> If your chasing and close then yu shouldn't need much of an aerial until its on the groun d
[13:05] <fsphil> run the chase car app, it's handy seeing your location on the map relative to the payload
[13:05] <AndyEsser> Will do :P
[13:05] <fsphil> also means you have 187 back seat drivers here
[13:05] <AndyEsser> already have it downloaded
[13:06] <AndyEsser> plus IRC on my laptop tethered
[13:06] <AndyEsser> although tethering in Wales... HA
[13:06] <dl0cre> http://wiki.n18.de/doku.php?id=n18-ballonmission:liveticker
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[13:09] <daveake> up
[13:11] <M0JCU> !dial PI434
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> 03M0JCU: Latest dials for 03PI434 10(76e7): none
[13:12] <M0JCU> :(
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.250
[13:13] <M0JCU> Thanks. I was just wondering whether Dave had been sneaky and changed the freq.
[13:13] <AndyEsser> awaiting beeps and boops on SDR
[13:13] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:13] <M0JCU> No sign here yet
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> below my horizon for a while yet
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> prediction at low level is way out!
[13:14] <AndyEsser> what's the blue one? 5 degrees?
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Blue Zero green +5
[13:14] <AndyEsser> gotcha
[13:14] <AndyEsser> ta
[13:15] <AndyEsser> unlikely I'll get it at zero
[13:15] <AndyEsser> it's coming from the direction of my blind spot :(
[13:15] <fsphil> only with a clear horizon, or being on a hill
[13:15] <fsphil> or unusual atmospheric propagation
[13:16] <M0JCU> There we go. Right where it should be
[13:16] <AndyEsser> What's the TX? MTX? daveake
[13:16] <fsphil> looks like he's timed that well, right through a gap in the clouds
[13:17] <AndyEsser> I do have a couple peaks coming through ~434.250 - but the spacing isn't 850
[13:17] <fsphil> it won't be exact
[13:17] <AndyEsser> more like 500/600 Hz
[13:17] <fsphil> not usually anyway
[13:17] <daveake> still have visual
[13:17] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/LkkBFZN
[13:18] <M0JCU> No. That's not it
[13:18] <AndyEsser> O no - I guessed
[13:18] <AndyEsser> I'd be amazed if something came through that clear, from where it is currently
[13:19] <AndyEsser> especially with a big ass mountain range in between, and my house ;)
[13:19] <fsphil> the higher bitrate of 300 tends to spread the lines out a bit
[13:19] <M0JCU> Flight doc is wrong. It's 300 baud
[13:20] <AndyEsser> daveake: any chance of having a heading added to the on-image data sometime? :)
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[13:24] <daveake> That's a DIY job
[13:24] <daveake> ALl the on-screen stuff is in a script wot you can edit
[13:25] <AndyEsser> cop out :P
[13:26] <daveake> Flexible design :)
[13:26] <AndyEsser> ha
[13:26] <fsphil> how's your upload queue daveake?
[13:28] <daveake> 2 queued
[13:28] <fsphil> nice
[13:28] <daveake> That's on 3G :)
[13:28] <daveake> packet-repeater on now
[13:29] <fsphil> rather nice colour in these images
[13:30] <AndyEsser> I can hear beeps - but don't sound like 300 baud
[13:30] <fsphil> yeah it won't be beeps
[13:31] <AndyEsser> 300 baud isn't quite aural diarhea
[13:31] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:31] <fsphil> 300 baud is like an 80s computer loading from tape
[13:31] <AndyEsser> I think I played with 300 on my AVR
[13:31] <fsphil> probably similar speed
[13:32] <AndyEsser> any higher though couldn't be decoded, suspect because I was using software delays so wasn't very accurate
[13:32] <fsphil> yeah
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[13:32] <AndyEsser> obviously the faster it is, the more accurate the timings need to be
[13:32] <fsphil> dl-fldigi will manage 1200 just about
[13:32] <AndyEsser> acutally, think I got to about 500
[13:32] <AndyEsser> which I called "fast mode" in my code
[13:32] <AndyEsser> haha
[13:32] <fsphil> 2400 with some tweaking
[13:32] <G0WXI> !dial pi434
[13:32] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI: Latest dials for 03PI434 10(76e7): none
[13:32] <AndyEsser> 434.250
[13:33] <tweetBot> @daveake: PI434/868 in the air above us. #UKHAS #RaspberryPi https://t.co/1kk3RmCTld
[13:34] <amell> .dial PI868
[13:34] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Latest dials for 03PI868 10(76e7): none
[13:34] <fsphil> 869.850
[13:34] <g8fjg> crc failures started
[13:34] <amell> lora gateway crashing for some reason
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> likewise
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> crc failures
[13:35] <amell> what settings do you have in gateway.txt?
[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mode 3
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> frequency_1=869.850
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> mode_1=3
[13:37] <daveake> I'm on .86 but it'd still work 30kHz out
[13:38] <daveake> Uplink working now that a) I've switched it on, and b) pointed the aerials roughly the right way
[13:38] <amell> error: could not insert spi_bcm2708 no such device
[13:38] <daveake> enable spi then
[13:39] <AndyEsser> good lord climb faster...
[13:39] <AndyEsser> :P
[13:39] <daveake> H2 big balloon small payload .. this is normal
[13:39] <fsphil> slower is higher (usually)
[13:39] <amell> im not sure which is 868 and 434
[13:39] <daveake> aimed for 4.5
[13:39] <AndyEsser> daveake: o I know :p
[13:39] <AndyEsser> I'm just impatient
[13:39] <daveake> live predictions seems to be broken
[13:40] <AndyEsser> I'm hoping that the two peaks just below 434.250 aren't going to interfere :(
[13:40] <fsphil> "Uploading invalid packet: Invalid CRC"
[13:41] <fsphil> huh, never seen that server side before
[13:41] <amell> not seeing anything
[13:42] <fsphil> otherwise all seems good on this side
[13:42] <amell> gah
[13:42] <amell> i think i have the interfaces the wrong way round
[13:42] <daveake> so it looked like a lora packet here (valid crc); looked like an ssdv packet (start byte) but was broken?
[13:42] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/KQAjeMu
[13:42] <AndyEsser> wondering if this might be the start of it
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> That look smore like it
[13:43] <fsphil> that looks more like it
[13:43] <daveake> fsphil I'm running the old gateway s/w via FTTC and new bulk-upload stuff on 3G
[13:43] <fsphil> hah
[13:43] <daveake> Both doing about the same
[13:43] <AndyEsser> fldigi is just turning it into non-sense atm
[13:43] <AndyEsser> hopefully it'll get stronger
[13:44] <AndyEsser> signal seems to break for about 15-20 seconds every now and again - correct behaviour?
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup
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[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> listening for upload from daveake
[13:44] <daveake> :)
[13:45] <AndyEsser> on the 434?
[13:45] <AndyEsser> or just stops all TX for that time slot?
[13:45] <daveake> Both stop, so the RTTY doesn't deafen the LoRa
[13:45] <AndyEsser> gotcha
[13:45] <PE2BZ> daveake seems to have enough cloud for uploads
[13:46] <PE2BZ> nice images !
[13:46] <daveake> Sony Pi camera
[13:46] <daveake> and a bit of gamma from imagemagick
[13:46] <AndyEsser> still nonsense in fldigi - will keep an eye on it
[13:47] <amell> not sure if i have the ports the right way round
[13:48] <PE2BZ> image 28 looks nice. Clouds are coming, rolling over the town....
[13:48] <amell> wish the board was marked if its 434 or 868
[13:48] <PE2BZ> amell if the rssi stays around -157 then you have the wrong ports / module
[13:49] <daveake> Yes, 157 = wrong config or missing lora
[13:49] <daveake> amell the settings are printed on the board
[13:49] <amell> the problemn is i have both lora ports
[13:49] <daveake> so?
[13:49] <amell> 434 and 868
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[13:50] <daveake> and?
[13:50] <amell> both are reading -120
[13:50] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/nkmjg2x
[13:50] <daveake> not -157 ?
[13:50] <amell> nope. -120 to 0125
[13:50] <amell> -125
[13:50] <daveake> AndyEsser: Set filter width to auto
[13:50] <amell> on both
[13:51] <daveake> it's possibly a bit low for you
[13:51] <fsphil> yeah that looks more like the filter for 50 baud
[13:51] <g8fjg> image packet at last
[13:51] <AndyEsser> have set to auto now
[13:52] <daveake> Also, this is a small signal spread over a wide bandwidth - range isn't as good more common modes
[13:52] <fsphil> the red bars at the top of the waterfall should cover most of the yellow blobs
[13:52] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yep - ta
[13:52] <AndyEsser> daveake: definitely ASCII 8?
[13:52] <daveake> yes 300 8 N 2
[13:52] <Gaznet> Is this where I come to, to get flight documents approved?
[13:53] <fsphil> Gaznet: that's next door, in #habhub
[13:53] <Gaznet> Thanks :-)
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[13:53] <daveake> shift is about 730
[13:53] <fsphil> AndyEsser: still a bit weak, it should come through shortly
[13:53] <dbrooke> amell: the RFM modules are slightly different layout, this may help you work out which is which http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-S6Vxh1.JPG
[13:53] <daveake> or the rfm 96 / 98 on the chip :)
[13:53] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yea, just amazed I'm getting anything atm :)
[13:53] <amell> yes all sorted
[13:54] <fsphil> antenna makes all the difference eh? :)
[13:54] <amell> i took a photo and zoomed in. now see the 96/98
[13:54] <AndyEsser> really does...
[13:54] <AndyEsser> funny that ;)
[13:54] <amell> i had the right way round after all
[13:54] <amell> so just waiting now
[13:54] <daveake> Worth labelling them with the frequency
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> more crc failures on 868
[13:54] <amell> yep
[13:54] <fsphil> label is a good idea
[13:54] <fsphil> I'm always mixing mine up
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting close to my horizon ...
[13:55] <AndyEsser> gah! running out of power
[13:55] <AndyEsser> brb
[13:55] <g8fjg> I've had 95 but only 1 good decode
[13:55] <fsphil> more powah!
[13:55] <fsphil> server side is still happy
[13:58] <AndyEsser> think I'm starting to get snippets
[13:59] <fsphil> you've an rtl straight into an x50?
[13:59] <AndyEsser> yea
[13:59] <fsphil> not bad
[13:59] <AndyEsser> just caught the temp and start of checksum
[14:00] <AndyEsser> fsphil: suspect I should invest in a habamp
[14:00] <AndyEsser> or build one
[14:00] <fsphil> and/or an airspy
[14:00] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/AjtjRL6
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[14:01] <AndyEsser> getting there :)
[14:01] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser my experiences with 433 amps on Ebay: They make very good oscillators in China
[14:01] <fsphil> strange how it should get stronger, when you're that close
[14:01] <edmoore> sporadic E
[14:01] <fsphil> hah
[14:02] <fsphil> when it gets over the local horizon, it should be at full strength
[14:03] <fsphil> I don't think the amount of air is passes through should have much effect on the signal
[14:03] <fsphil> it*
[14:05] <AndyEsser> last sentence was only 1 char out :)
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[14:06] <Vega-2> Hi ther
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[14:06] <Vega-2> someone can help me
[14:06] <amell> is everyone on 869.850?
[14:06] <amell> still not getting
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting lots of CRC at the moment on .840
[14:07] <Vega-2> I would like to know how to aprov a payload
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[14:07] <Vega-2> I have yet a document payload
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[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Payloads don't need approval, Flight Docs need approval in #habhub
[14:08] <Vega-2> Ok....
[14:08] <Vega-2> tanks
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[14:09] <jakeio> daveake, I've just read your excellent article How to lose your flight again, now that I'm closer to the launch. And I've got a few questions...
[14:10] <jakeio> I've read it before, but there are just a few things that I need to be sure about...
[14:11] Nick change: lz1dev_ -> lz1dev
[14:12] <fsphil> we can all pretend to be daveake, ask away
[14:12] <jakeio> Haha, OK, sorry.
[14:12] <jakeio> Well, first things first.
[14:12] <jakeio> Faking altitude.
[14:12] <jakeio> How!?
[14:12] <jakeio> How is that done?
[14:12] <fsphil> in software
[14:12] <jakeio> Oh.
[14:12] <jakeio> So you tell the GPS it's at high altitude. OK.
[14:12] <jakeio> Right, I'll get on that.
[14:12] <daveake> There's no mention of that in that document
[14:13] <jakeio> There is!
[14:13] <jakeio> "Don't test that it reports the altitude correctly above 32,768 metres and below zero metres. Obviously you can only test this by faking the altitude, but that's such hard work that you may prefer not to bother."
[14:13] <AndyEsser> altitude or latitude?
[14:13] <daveake> oh right
[14:13] <daveake> that's faking as in dummy data to test
[14:13] <daveake> not faking as in Italy or Mexico
[14:13] <jakeio> OK. I'll try some of that shortly then.
[14:14] <fsphil> should be "above 32767 metres"
[14:14] <daveake> yup oops
[14:14] <jakeio> The next thing was, the test of range. I had someone stand up a hill about 3km line of sight from me and turn on the tracker. It worked perfectly, is that sufficient?
[14:14] <jakeio> I received clear signals with no problems.
[14:14] <fsphil> I'd be happy with that
[14:14] <jakeio> OK.
[14:15] <G3WDI> what is the shift??
[14:15] <jakeio> Next, the cold test, my freezer really really is not nearly big enough.
[14:15] <jakeio> It's 450Hz G3WDI.
[14:15] <Upu> 690
[14:15] <jakeio> Oh, sorry!
[14:15] <G3WDI> thanks
[14:16] <Upu> dave your payload doc defaults to 150 baud
[14:16] <AndyEsser> woo, successful packet...
[14:16] <fsphil> result!
[14:17] <AndyEsser> only 1 though - whislt I can see most sentences pretty clearly - something nearby floods the band every few seconds and makes decoding iffy
[14:18] <fsphil> yeah, they're easily overloaded. why I was impressed you're getting it so well
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/soundings/
[14:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> signals with me today are a lot lower, its above my horizon but both bands seem weaker
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[14:18] <PE2BZ> AndyEsser just hope that all those crane remote control people go home in time. I have signals like that over here too, mostly they end around this time
[14:18] <Upu> yeah its not the strongest
[14:18] <Upu> might be that this is actually 10mW :)
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[14:18] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/Iy97AH9
[14:18] <daveake> lol Upu
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[14:19] <jakeio> The next think was the batteries. The article states very explicitly that Lithium Energizers are required. I asked a while back if this RS battery would suffice: http://goo.gl/JUsD42 and someone said it would be fine.
[14:19] <jakeio> I had it lying around from a previous project feeling neglected.
[14:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
[14:20] <AndyEsser> daveake: you chasing?
[14:20] <daveake> will be
[14:20] <daveake> Happy for help if you want
[14:21] <AndyEsser> Any thoughts on where it might land yet?
[14:22] <AndyEsser> depending on how the signal holds up - might need to stay here to get something - not many people tracking today
[14:22] <daveake> Top of a hill in Shropshire probably
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh 434 suddenly jumped stronger!
[14:22] <daveake> Ah yeah that line of code where I switch the power up :p
[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> and 868 copied
[14:24] <AndyEsser> gah, this is frustrating, definitely need a filter
[14:24] <fsphil> depends on the nature of the interference
[14:25] <AndyEsser> just seems to be broadband flooding over quite a few MHz
[14:25] <fsphil> if it's an out of band signal overloading the radio, it'll definitly help
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[14:25] <jakeio> fsphil, may I ask your thoughts on that battery situation?
[14:25] <fsphil> but if it's actually in band the filter won't help
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[14:26] <fsphil> I don't trust USB plugs for HAB stuff
[14:26] <AndyEsser> fsphil: http://imgur.com/t4ctJ1x
[14:26] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/7bwjkGx
[14:27] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/LPvM7e7
[14:27] <fsphil> the power switch is also a worry. those battery banks have no way of being kept on all the time
[14:28] <fsphil> hard to say AndyEsser. if you tune up to 434.500 and are still seeing it, it might be out of band stuff
[14:28] <AndyEsser> o0o 2 sentences in a row parsed correctly :)
[14:29] <AndyEsser> might look at making some sort of bandpass filter and see how that gets on sometime
[14:29] <fsphil> jakeio: the energizer lithiums are recommended because they work very well in the cold, and are quite light
[14:29] <fsphil> they're not rechargable
[14:30] <fsphil> rechargables often don't like being cold, but for a quick up/down flight this might not matter so much
[14:30] <g8fjg> AndyEsser there are large signals on 434.250 about 25 khz wide that make decodes very difficult
[14:30] <fsphil> AndyEsser: the strongest signals I saw on mine where the FM broadcast stuff, and TETRA on ~399MHz
[14:31] <fsphil> the TETRA in particular wiped out my old funcube dongle receiver
[14:31] <AndyEsser> :(
[14:31] <AndyEsser> wonder if I dial back the RF gain it'll help
[14:31] <fsphil> "maybe"
[14:31] <fsphil> welcome to radio
[14:32] <AndyEsser> ha, nope - basically wiped out the signal
[14:32] <amell> how strange. i got telemetry packets.
[14:33] <amell> coords 0,0,0
[14:33] <amell> surely the checksum was wrong
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40256.0;attach=1288496;image - ah - fun
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> Thiacom pre-launch pictures show an engine with stripes painted on it, leading to speculation it's a reused engine
[14:34] <fsphil> hope they got a discount
[14:36] <AndyEsser> signal strength has decreased
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[14:41] <AndyEsser> need to go afk for about 20 mins
[14:41] <AndyEsser> will leave things running
[14:44] Action: PE2BZ thinks that afk for andy means Away from Kitchen
[14:45] <amell> what freq are you on for the 868? still nothing here
[14:45] <amell> puzzled
[14:45] <amell> thinking theres something wrong with setup
[14:45] <PE2BZ> I did read 869.850
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm not getting anything like my previous on 868
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> i'm on 869.850 nominal
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> and the signal on 434 os poor as well today weird
[14:46] <fsphil> the joys of a black box modem
[14:46] <fsphil> can you see the signal on an sdr?
[14:46] <daveake> rtty is fixed power (mtx2); lora is same setting as last time
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've not got the 868 on the SDR
[14:46] <fsphil> images are really good
[14:46] <AndyEsser> PE2BZ: indeed :)
[14:47] <daveake> my missing-packet script crashed, hence the lack of fixes recently
[14:47] <daveake> "that's never happened before" (actress/bishop)
[14:49] <dbrooke> amell: what antenna are you using for 868 ?
[14:49] <daveake> I think I should have more frequent uplinks, to give them a better chance of getting through
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[14:51] <gonzo__> of course you would never do such a thing, but..... PA modules from old cellular base TX work well at 868mHz
[14:52] <gonzo__> and good for 10watts or so
[14:52] <daveake> ta :)
[14:52] <daveake> tbh 434 is probably a better option for that
[14:53] <gonzo__> (the TX from a mobile unit is better for that, but that limits you to old etacs stuff)
[14:54] <gonzo__> the interstage matching in the base tx will not be ideal, but the main limit on these type of modules looks to be the output LPF
[14:55] <gonzo__> they usuall;y coem on a pallet with a 60W PA too
[14:55] <amell> X50
[14:57] <AndyEsser> packets coming through loud and clear now :)
[14:58] <AndyEsser> -30dB
[14:58] <mfa298> amell: X50 for 868 ? I suspect that won't do too well.
[14:59] <fsphil> my old x50 was totally deaf on 869
[14:59] <dbrooke> amell: OK, not the same model as mine, but I found my dual bander useless at 868
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[15:01] <amell> ok. i thought X50 was a 2m/70cm dual bander
[15:02] <dbrooke> it is
[15:02] <dbrooke> so will likely be poor at 868
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> X50 is but it won't cover 868 its not an odd mulipile
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> multiple*
[15:03] <AndyEsser> signal strength has plummeted again :(
[15:03] <AndyEsser> I should go AFK more often
[15:03] <fsphil> 869 is neither 2m or 70cm :)
[15:03] <fsphil> 35cm
[15:03] <daveake> half way :p
[15:03] <amell> wtf
[15:04] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE: odd multiples = good, even multiples = bad?
[15:04] <AndyEsser> so like 3rd Harmonics, fine - but 2nd bad?
[15:04] <amell> fecks sake. i thought my antenna did 434 and 868
[15:04] <amell> bleeding waste of time
[15:04] <dbrooke> I was surprised how _really_ bad it was, I knew it wouldn;t be good but ...
[15:04] <AndyEsser> amell: 434 and 144
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[15:04] <fsphil> nah, it does 145 and 435 mhz
[15:04] <amell> yes, i now realise that
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> a Co-linear uses 1/2wave sections on 2m which when used on 70cms =3/2
[15:05] <amell> i do have a RHCP 868 in the shed.
[15:05] <fsphil> I've never seen a colinear that does 869mhz
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> so it still is an ODD multiple of 1/2 wavelengths
[15:05] <daveake> They do exist fsphil
[15:05] <daveake> fab4space found some
[15:06] <dbrooke> I got a Taoglas 868 colinear this week
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> right just looked on SDR on 868 can see signals but nothing on 869.850 weird ...
[15:06] <fsphil> ooooh
[15:06] <fsphil> I'll have another look. would be perfect for the remote repeater
[15:06] <dbrooke> unfortunately I no longer have a working 868 LoRa module 8-(
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think the signal is being refracted over me
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> as it was working at odd poinrs
[15:07] <dbrooke> but it works well on OGN/FLARM
[15:07] <AndyEsser> daveake: if it gets about halfway between me and you - then I'll come help chase
[15:07] <daveake> ta :)
[15:07] <dbrooke> fsphil: mouser was the only place I found it
[15:08] <sirus> K7SDV away!
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh nice image od Severn coming up
[15:08] <daveake> yes
[15:08] <fab4space> oh yes fsphil daveake I found one last time on this channel
[15:09] <fab4space> omni colinear 868 let me check
[15:09] <AndyEsser> I have two chase apps on my phone - HAB Tracker and Chase Car Tracker
[15:09] <AndyEsser> think Chase Car Tracker just pushes my GPS coords to habitat? whereas the HAB Tracker has maps?
[15:09] <mfa298> I suspect a 434 colinear at 868 might be the worst option as each section would be 1 wavelength so every pair of sections would cancel each other out (based on my basic understanding of how they work)
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[15:10] <dbrooke> fsphil: http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/398/OMB.868.B05F21-25948.pdf
[15:10] <fsphil> ah nice, that looks perfect
[15:11] <fab4space> fsphil, daveake : www.taoglas.com/product/barracuda-omb-868-08f21-868mhz-8dbi-omni-directional-outdoor-antenna/
[15:11] <dbrooke> snap!
[15:11] <daveake> ta
[15:11] <dbrooke> well, hopefully not literally
[15:12] <fsphil> don't listen to them AndyEsser
[15:12] <AndyEsser> fsphil: hmm?
[15:12] <AndyEsser> trying to save me money?
[15:13] <fsphil> colinear ... snap
[15:13] <AndyEsser> o right
[15:13] <AndyEsser> my mind had purged the event ;)
[15:13] <fsphil> hah
[15:13] <sirus> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=10&call=a%2FK7SDV&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7SDV - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7SDV
[15:14] <dbrooke> it came in a sturdy card tube and survived minor crushing
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-11
[15:14] <fsphil> they're pretty expensive, but look well built
[15:14] Action: AndyEsser has flashbacks
[15:14] <amell> how much longer will this be up for?
[15:15] <fsphil> quite a while hopefully
[15:15] <amell> debating whether i have time to get the 868 RHCP out the shed
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[15:16] <daveake> Another 90mins before it bursts (hopefully)
[15:16] <fsphil> your images all seem to be mostly in the same direction
[15:17] <mfa298> at least if you get it out the shed you'll have it ready for next time
[15:17] <AndyEsser> err - it's been silent for ~60 seconds now
[15:17] <daveake> still fine here
[15:17] <AndyEsser> hmm, no can see something very marginal just poking above the noise floor
[15:18] <AndyEsser> there we go, back at -40
[15:18] <AndyEsser> not good enough to decode, but something at least
[15:18] <dbrooke> fsphil: if you don't need the gain there's http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/190123/Aurel-650200599-GP-868-Ground-Plane-Antenna-Assembly-kit-NA/SHOP_AREA_17364
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[15:19] <dbrooke> I plan to try the 434 version of that with a mast head amp to compare with the dual band colinear
[15:20] <dbrooke> hopefully it won't have as deep nulls
[15:20] <dbrooke> and the amp will somewhat make up for the lower gain of the antenna
[15:20] <amell> 868 has a short cable and i dont have a line of sight
[15:20] <amell> so many issues.
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[15:21] <daveake> On the plus side, your SD card isn't on fire
[15:21] <Upu> belting pic coming in
[15:21] <daveake> I like the current image
[15:22] <daveake> please no missing packets please no missing packets
[15:22] <Upu> dat estuary
[15:22] <daveake> my uplink has fizzled out
[15:23] <fab4space> again daveake ?
[15:23] <fab4space> ISP issue again?
[15:23] <daveake> bit too far
[15:23] <daveake> no, uplink to balloon
[15:23] <fab4space> ok uplink
[15:23] <fab4space> sorry :p
[15:23] <daveake> np :)
[15:23] <fsphil> physics
[15:23] <craag> more kindling required on the sdcard daveake
[15:24] <daveake> need more powwwer
[15:24] <daveake> craag that was amell's SD card
[15:24] <craag> yeah I know
[15:24] <daveake> ah ok :)
[15:24] <fab4space> are you limited by ISM or HAM power limitation?
[15:24] <Upu> what were you uplinking ?
[15:24] <craag> are you doing anything special on the rx on the balloon?
[15:24] <craag> eg. habamp?
[15:25] <daveake> nothing different to usual
[15:25] <fsphil> love that image
[15:25] <daveake> no
[15:25] <daveake> noise floor is the issue I think
[15:25] <craag> k
[15:25] <daveake> I'll try 434 and actually use my M0 for once :)
[15:25] <craag> fab4space: 868MHz is ISM
[15:26] <craag> Use your M0 to talk to an airborne station in the UK daveake, I hope not :O
[15:26] <daveake> haha
[15:27] <daveake> no, I'll be talking to whoever's listening :)
[15:27] <fab4space> ok no uplink on 434
[15:27] <craag> better :)
[15:27] <craag> I mean that's just broadcasting :P
[15:27] <daveake> I'll just prefix the packets with "CQ"
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm listening for you daveake ;-)
[15:28] <daveake> Suppose I could start chasing soon
[15:29] <daveake> Quite nice just watching here :)
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[15:29] <PE2G> !flights
[15:29] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03DL0CRE-11 10(3539), 03PITS 868 10(76e7), 03YAM-1 10(8912), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[15:30] <PE2G> !dial 67e7
[15:30] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:30] <PE2G> !dial 76e7
[15:30] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03PI434 10(76e7): 03434.250381 MHz, 434.24973 MHz, 434.250678 MHz
[15:30] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03PI868 10(76e7): none
[15:30] <daveake> I should get the tracker to check the image and then put the balloon graphic on rht right or left so it's against the black sky
[15:32] <fsphil> that Ireland on the horizon of the last image?
[15:32] <AndyEsser> live prediction isn't very helpful atm...
[15:33] <daveake> no it's broke
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[15:33] <amell> someone please shoot IBMICL
[15:33] <amell> all we need now is for them to be NIFOC
[15:34] <AndyEsser> completely lost the signal again :(
[15:34] <fsphil> wish I'd setup the radio at home
[15:34] <daveake> You are LL
[15:35] <AndyEsser> it's so frustrating when I see a clear signal in SDR# but fldigi decodes nonsense
[15:35] <fsphil> XD
[15:35] <fsphil> really doing well with the pics today
[15:36] <daveake> yes nice sky, and I think this camera is an improvement
[15:36] <fsphil> suppose that's more likely to be france of the horizon
[15:36] <fsphil> on*
[15:36] <adamgreig> amell: what's up with IBMICL?
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> That's thr Severn esturary
[15:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-12
[15:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-13
[15:37] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: in image 88
[15:37] <amell> adamgreig: no idea. seems to be someones lab.
[15:38] <AndyEsser> daveake: rough burst altitude?
[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes probably IoW in the bump of cloud and then over the channel
[15:38] <PE2BZ> amell if you find the images from IBMICL disturbing try http://ssdv.habhub.org/PI868
[15:38] <fsphil> large thunderstorm on the french coast atm
[15:38] <fsphil> should be visible in the images
[15:39] <amell> pe28z:ah! thanks!
[15:39] <PE2BZ> my pleasure
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[15:39] <fsphil> yeah the mixed live page is going away at some point
[15:40] <fsphil> ooh you can see the mud in the estuary
[15:41] <fsphil> not sure if it's the sony sensor or the gamma correction that's helping :)
[15:41] <amell> is this noir btw?
[15:41] <fsphil> dunno, but unlikely
[15:42] <fsphil> the earth would look red in that
[15:42] <daveake> no, regular cam
[15:42] <fsphil> looks like some potential storms just south of the estuary
[15:43] <fsphil> you can just see the french storms behind that
[15:43] <fsphil> even the weather is striking
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Flight Controller message 253 bytes = >^Dn¦~Q¦~J¦UD¦=Y<^Tr~K¦¦¦f¦z¦¦?^OW¦~Z?q~
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> ^W¦^Q~O..
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> daveake, How can I get that sort of message ?
[15:44] <Ian_> Mate bought a noir and commented that it doesn't seem to render greens very well . . . I was meaning to tell him :)
[15:44] <daveake> yeah duff packets seem to pass LoRa's CRC more often than you'd think
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> but the words Flight Controller ?
[15:45] <daveake> Then, the gateway checks the first byte to see what it is
[15:45] <Ian_> Did you solve or figure out the answer to the Sony crapping out after lots of images, or was that a different Sony camera?
[15:45] <daveake> and, by chance, that first byte looks like one from my games controller :)
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah with you its a message type
[15:45] <daveake> New firmware
[15:45] <daveake> It traps the error :/
[15:45] <Ian_> Thanks Dave
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK not looked at the code since yesterday!
[15:45] <daveake> So you get no pic but it doesn't lock the camera either
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[15:46] <daveake> right, off to the habmobile
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[15:49] <AndyEsser> daveake: still want a hand?
[15:50] <daveake> sure
[15:51] <AndyEsser> google maps is saying it's 1h30 to get to Church Stretton
[15:51] <daveake> That's about landing time, probably
[15:52] <AndyEsser> gd gd
[15:52] <AndyEsser> need to pack up, load into car, grab some fuel
[15:52] <AndyEsser> so shall see you there
[15:52] <daveake> cheers
[15:52] <daveake> laterz
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[15:56] <g8fjg> my raspi crashed image 98 ..up running again now
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> g8fjg, what freq. is yours showing ?
[15:57] <g8fjg> 869.8468
[15:58] <g8fjg> snr 3 rssi-105
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK weird can't see a thing on the freq. can see other stuff on the band so its not the aerial, and did get 3 image packets earlier ...
[15:59] <g8fjg> but I cant decode PI434 too much qrm that qrg
[15:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Esser_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Esser_chase
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[16:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3HBE-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3HBE-11
[16:00] <g8fjg> retracked antenna snr 5
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[16:02] <fsphil> 36km, nice
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[16:10] <fsphil> still a healthy ascent rate, not likely to float
[16:10] Nick change: lz1dev_ -> lz1dev
[16:20] <fab4space> wow http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-05-26--16-18-26-PI868-69CC.jpeg?u=417
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Burst
[16:24] <amell> 110 is nice
[16:25] <fab4space> -20m / seconds
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[16:46] <Ian_> IC7000 dial 434.251MHz good signal, estimate spinning about once every two to three seconds.
[16:47] <Ian_> To my west
[16:47] <Ian_> Altitude c 18km
[16:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9FXU-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9FXU-11
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[16:52] <g8fjg> must put the 869 antenna up the big stick not just 10' above the lawn!
[16:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup mine is still poked out the shack window on a short pole, not quite clear of the chimmeny however!
[16:55] <g8fjg> Amateurs :-))
[16:55] <qyx> DL7AD: how's your camera?
[16:57] <g8fjg> managed? to cook dinner and drink a bottle of wine, while it all went on around me .
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[17:01] <fsphil> !track PI434
[17:01] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI434
[17:02] <fsphil> hopefully it misses that clump of trees
[17:05] <Ian_> Wish looks like being fulfilled fsphil, Lawes Barn looks good at < 2km. Roads, short walk
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[17:09] <fsphil> looks like a fairly good spot
[17:10] <fsphil> daveake and AndyEsser should arrive at about the same time
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[17:12] <Ian_> Shortened to the slope south of Redwood Barn
[17:14] <Ian_> Should be radio visible from the main road, Llanshay Lane.
[17:14] <fsphil> thankfully avoiding the redwood
[17:14] <fsphil> which is green
[17:15] <fsphil> yeah llanshay lane looks good
[17:18] <Ian_> AndyEsser, via Knighton
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[17:20] <Ian_> Wouldn't deign to give Dave directions, as his Nav is much better than mine, but
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[17:21] <Ian_> via Pemberton or Old Radnor seems favourite.
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[17:24] <Ian_> S/Pemberton/Pembridge
[17:25] <Ian_> HABMobile running under radio silence
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[17:47] <JonnyAlpha> Been trying on and off to track PI434 with my AOR AR800 and standard BNC Tele Antenna with no joy, I did managed to pick up a feint signal when it was at about 40,000m but that was that.
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[17:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03USER_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=USER_chase
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[17:49] <daveake> 'allo
[17:50] <daveake> Map updated with pi868 ?
[17:51] <fsphil> not recently
[17:51] <JonnyAlpha> Anyone know who the Antenna in North Devon 0x17 is? He managed to track PITS434, i'd like to have a chat with him about helping with our flight in June?
[17:51] <fsphil> 45 minutes since last packet
[17:52] <daveake> OK I have 52.33311,-3.0136
[17:52] <daveake> Andy close yet ?
[17:53] <fsphil> his position hasn't updated in a while
[17:53] <fsphil> USER_chase, that you?
[17:54] <daveake> o
[17:54] <daveake> no
[17:54] <Ian_> USER_chase on Llanshay Lane
[17:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
[17:54] <daveake> M0RPI ... and.or LCARS
[17:54] <fsphil> they're in the lane right next to the landing spot
[17:54] <fsphil> ah USER_chase is exactly where you are
[17:55] <Ian_> You just crashed into him
[17:55] <fsphil> lol
[17:55] <fsphil> the payload is north east of you
[17:55] <fsphil> on the other side of what looks like a hedge
[17:55] <fsphil> or a row of small trees
[17:56] <daveake> side of a hill here
[17:56] <daveake> it's 50m below
[17:57] <daveake> callin andy so he can share the experience
[17:58] <fsphil> yeah it's down the hill from where you are
[17:58] <fsphil> down and to the left
[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JULO-17 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JULO-17
[17:59] <Ian_> North of you is a junction for Lawes Barn and thence to Redwood Barn, but that might put you nearer and unfortunately steeper
[18:00] <Ian_> Did you find USER_Chase? Who is he?
[18:00] <daveake> Just spoke with Andy, who appears to be lost due to lack of internet.
[18:00] <fsphil> yeah andy shouldn't be too far from you
[18:00] <fsphil> ack
[18:00] <daveake> He's on his way here now
[18:00] <daveake> He only has google maps
[18:00] <daveake> and this is Wales
[18:01] <fsphil> has he gps, or a name of a nearby town?
[18:01] <daveake> latter
[18:01] <fsphil> ah not so bad
[18:01] <Ian_> Hmmm. The tracker is good if only because of swapping between Map and OS map
[18:02] <fsphil> annoying the map doesn't cover NI
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[18:02] <Laurenceb_> PI868 got nice and high
[18:03] <daveake> Yeah, beats my ssdv max alt I think
[18:03] <daveake> What's the manual upload page?
[18:03] <Ian_> Good on these things with a copilot so that someone can handle the comms and filter out the noise
[18:03] <daveake> No that won't work need telemetry :/
[18:03] <Laurenceb_> 12th place arhab
[18:04] <fsphil> can you paste a telemetry string?
[18:04] <Ian_> I meant talking him in from the map
[18:04] <daveake> Not getting data 1 sec will add yagi
[18:04] <fsphil> PI868's last position is pretty much where it landed
[18:05] <fsphil> it got closer to the nearby row of trees, but that's about it
[18:05] <fsphil> looks like sheep in the field
[18:05] <fsphil> PI434 updated
[18:06] <daveake> great
[18:06] <Laurenceb_> something going wrong with ssdv.habhub, but tis prob firefox
[18:06] <Laurenceb_> I had to kill -9 failfox after it ate 4G of ram loading ssdv.habhub
[18:06] <daveake> well much data as 868 stopped doing images
[18:07] <daveake> I can type quicker than the irc upload here
[18:08] <Laurenceb_> any good images?
[18:08] <Ian_> Yes, some good early ones on the ascent and some nice ones later too
[18:09] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-05-26--16-20-19-PI868-69CD.jpeg
[18:10] <Ian_> Looking at the contours daveake the best bet might be via Redwood Barn, what do you think fsphil?
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[18:11] <daveake> There's a wide gate a bit downhill, with a line of trees going down towards ther payload
[18:11] <fsphil> yeah it's just behind that line
[18:11] <fsphil> think it's easier to walk from where the car is now
[18:12] <Laurenceb_> nice, you can see ireland
[18:12] <fsphil> there's a small gap in the trees
[18:12] <fsphil> then take a left and follow then
[18:12] <daveake> there's a gate just in front of me
[18:13] <fsphil> should walk right into it
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[18:13] <daveake> I thought that last time :p
[18:13] <fsphil> hah
[18:13] <fsphil> yeah I can't tell how long the grass is :)
[18:13] <fsphil> or what animals are in the field
[18:13] <daveake> haha
[18:13] <fsphil> there was sheep at one time
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[18:14] <Ian_> Is that just an inspired guess or are you on a KH11
[18:14] <Ian_> ?
[18:15] <fsphil> had to google that :)
[18:15] <fsphil> nah I can see sheep on the google earth photos :p
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[18:17] <fsphil> aww, google got rid of the scale ruler?
[18:17] <Ian_> I was too slow to pick up on you also using GE/GM to look . . . tsk, tsk
[18:17] <daveake> I'd upload a photo, but frankly, 300 baud rtty would be quicker
[18:18] <fsphil> there's a row of trees to your left?
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[18:18] <fsphil> north*
[18:18] <daveake> yes, starts at the road behind me, goes into the field at 90deg to the road
[18:18] <fsphil> yeah. looks odd on the map
[18:19] <fsphil> they point towards the gap in the tree line in the field
[18:19] <daveake> yeah north
[18:19] <fsphil> looks like it's used by vehicles quite a lot
[18:20] <fsphil> past the gap it's to the left, but it looks like there might be another hedge there
[18:20] <fsphil> not sure if you can cross it. there's a gap in that too but it's out of the way
[18:21] <daveake> That white patch behind me is gravel with some bails of hay stored
[18:23] <fsphil> mobile friendly image: http://i.imgur.com/CeEr1q8.jpg
[18:24] <daveake> ta
[18:24] <daveake> hurry up andy :)
[18:24] <daveake> i have a job for you :)
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[18:26] <fsphil> hah
[18:26] <fsphil> it's a fair trek
[18:26] <daveake> So no pix during descent ?
[18:26] <daveake> I wonder where the camera is :p
[18:26] <fsphil> none at all
[18:26] <daveake> it *was* taped to the outside ...
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[18:27] <PE2BZ> Grabbed by an alien who flew by ?
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[18:27] <Ian_> Swaps Gaffa Tape supplier, I bet it wasn't pink?
[18:28] <daveake> clear gorilla tape
[18:28] <daveake> and double-sided sticky pads
[18:28] <daveake> tiny payload it was much easier to put the camera outside
[18:31] <daveake> should have tied it through some holes
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[18:41] <Ian_> What's the AndEsser ETA . . . maybe stopped in Knighton for coffee and bacon rolls . . . Forgot this is Wales and shuts at 1630
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[18:43] <daveake> Yeah just called him
[18:43] <daveake> He's by the rail stn in the nearby town
[18:43] <daveake> No 3G so gave him directions
[18:44] <daveake> still getting 868 packets periodically
[18:44] <daveake> it's actually worked better in the car than the 434 rtty did
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[18:47] <Ian_> Post code LD7 1LS Upper Pitts Farm, just down the road a little http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3971511
[18:48] <Ian_> HABMobile setup obviously worked well
[18:48] <daveake> pretty well yeah
[18:48] <daveake> not a lot of 3G
[18:48] <daveake> At one point I stopped to rx the landing
[18:49] <daveake> then tapped in the last position into the sat nav
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[18:49] <daveake> 10 mins later remembered that my lcars thing has navigation now ...
[18:50] <JDat> daveake! Is it possible to davload your LCARS stuff?
[18:50] <daveake> 2 clicks later, it was navigating for me :-). Just need to hook up to speakers for voice guidance :)
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[18:52] <daveake> Andy here, off on foot
[18:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> How they doing ?
[18:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Doesn't look to bad on foot
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[19:17] <fsphil> eaten by sheep
[19:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> That's a nice walk down into the valley but its trudge back up!
[19:19] <fsphil> yeah
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[19:20] <Ian_> Distracted by frolicking lambs
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> Gambolers anonymous.
[19:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/PITS_20160526/PITS_20160526_landing%20spot.jpg
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[19:21] <PE2BZ> Now on Discovery.... How Dave and Andy survived the sheep
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[19:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some of those pictures would look good on the BBC weather site!
[19:23] <Ian_> Farmer spots two shady types among his flock . . . Wife, fetch the shotgun!
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[19:38] <daveake> Payload collected
[19:38] <daveake> Minus camera, as suspected :/
[19:38] <daveake> Now, home and beer :)
[19:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ripped off in the burst ?
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> what happened to the camera?!
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> oh
[19:39] <daveake> ripped off at burst
[19:39] <daveake> just a pi cam taped to the outside
[19:40] <Ian_> Well done and some super pics.
[19:40] <daveake> ta
[19:40] <daveake> laterz ... going home :)
[19:40] <mfa298> complain to the people who make and advertise gorilla tape
[19:40] <mfa298> obviously not as strong as they suggest
[19:40] <Ian_> So that's AndyEsser bust his HABduck too :)
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[19:49] <JonnyAlpha> Well done Dave a great flight and fantastic pics, my primary school club were loving them (watching live).
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[19:54] <XMNC> Hello everyone. Is there a kind soul among us that might be willing to help me with a dl-fldigi-textout-parsing-related question? (please say yes)
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[19:57] <x-f> find $$ and continue to the next \n
[19:57] <x-f> ok, what's the question?
[20:01] <XMNC> I've been using the default message from the PITS board with no problem parsing and matching with regex with python. I'm getting each line one at a time until the next \n like you say. This was no problem because the message is always entirely on one line. However, now I've added some sensor data into the message from my raspberry pi and the parser breaks because the message often gets cut onto the next line. Am I being stupid?
[20:02] <XMNC> I should clarify, I'm getting each line, then matching %% to the checksum.
[20:02] <XMNC> *$$ sirry
[20:02] <XMNC> wowwww, *sorry
[20:02] <fsphil> how are you reading the line?
[20:03] <XMNC> linecache.getline
[20:03] <fsphil> getting it from dl-fldigi, there are a few methods
[20:04] <XMNC> Is there some mechanism by which dl-fldigi makes sure the messages are on one line if it's a certain length? Or is an incredible coincidence that every single message is on one line?
[20:04] <XMNC> well, was on one line until I made them longer
[20:05] <fsphil> the parser in dl-fldigi is processing the raw modem output. there's no newline unless you transmit one (or an error makes it look like there is noe)
[20:05] <fsphil> one*
[20:05] <XMNC> hmm, okay, by new line, then, I mean the lines I'm getting from using getline()
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[20:06] <XMNC> when I print each "line" then \n, I get a nice list of whatever it thinks are lines, and as I say, when the message was the default one, it was always in the middle of one of these "lines", and now it's cut
[20:06] <fsphil> it probably breaks them to display it in the text box
[20:07] <fsphil> you can access the raw modem output by connecting to localhost:7322
[20:07] <XMNC> I don't think so, because the message is always the last thing on each of these "lines", and surely that would be a crazy coincidence
[20:08] <fsphil> are you sure you haven't added a newline to the output?
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[20:10] <XMNC> I have, after each "line", where line=linecache.getline(file, lineNumber), I write a \n to the file
[20:10] <fsphil> on the transmit side I mean
[20:10] <XMNC> oh I see
[20:10] <XMNC> hmmm
[20:11] <XMNC> one second
[20:12] <XMNC> So if I send a \n, it will actually put a newline in the textout.txt when it decodes?
[20:14] <fsphil> yep
[20:14] <XMNC> That's clever
[20:14] <dbrooke> that's what the tracker normally sends to denote the end of the telemetry sentence
[20:14] <fsphil> newline is no different from any other character
[20:14] <sirus> K7SDV RECOVERED!
[20:14] <fsphil> sirus: nice!
[20:15] <XMNC> Ohhh is that why with the default message I was getting before would always have the message as the last thing on a line?
[20:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes the telemetry sentence ends with a \n
[20:15] <fsphil> likely
[20:16] <dbrooke> https://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[20:16] <XMNC> Ahh thank you everyone and fsphil :P I don't have the pi with me but I reckon I might have messed with that when I added the new data. Thank you very much.
[20:16] <fsphil> fldigi will insert its own \n into the text box to stop it going off the screen
[20:16] <XMNC> Oh the documentation shame
[20:16] <fsphil> so probably better to get at the raw modem output
[20:16] <XMNC> I'll read
[20:16] <sirus> [5~[5~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~w/w 2
[20:17] <fsphil> oooh numbers station :)
[20:30] <mfa298> XMNC: finding stuff on the wiki can be a challenge in itself, sometimes asking here is the best route to finding it
[20:36] <XMNC> mfa298: Thanks, although I must just be vigilant lest I too freely turn to the warm comfort of easy answers in stead of reading documentation.
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[21:36] <tweetBot> @daveake: Well that explains the lack of images during descent ... #UKHAS #RaspberryPi #FreeSonyPiCameraSomewhereInWales https://t.co/tdUlYAlNtb
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[21:40] <AndyEsser> I followed a strange man into a field...
[21:40] <lz1dev> ( a° \– a°)
[21:41] <AndyEsser> just stopped for a quick HABurger at McDonalds on the way home
[21:42] <mfa298> hopefully including hab approved bacon
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[21:45] <daveake> fish & chips here
[21:45] <daveake> despite it being a dry landing
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[21:47] <fsphil> you went into a field with a guy you met on the internet?
[21:48] <Ian_> I thought the delay in arriving Andy, was that you were getting in the coffee and bacon butties
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[21:48] <adamgreig> that's lovely daveake
[21:48] <Ian_> In Knighton
[21:48] <adamgreig> will have to get live image downlink from my rocket to take that record :P
[21:48] <fsphil> oooh
[21:49] <daveake> hah
[21:50] <daveake> Went into a field, with a strange guy on the internet, to scare some sheep
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[21:57] <daveake> 41,893 metres is the highest in the gps log
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[21:59] <XMNC> is dl-fldigi.exe --home-dir FOLDER supposed to immediately start using the specified path and create another dl-fldigi.files folder in that path? or is that not how it works
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> daveake: that white foam doesnt work at low temperature - acylic adhesive
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> you need silicone based adhesive foam
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/single-sided-foam-tapes/8421165/
[22:01] <daveake> ta, I have some of that
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> wait no
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> thats acrylic lol
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> this isnt so simple
[22:02] <daveake> I think the support line went under the camera and pulled it off
[22:02] <daveake> I should have taped all round to stop that
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> yeah, we have these issue at work
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> I have some 3M products
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> but not from RS, from http://parafix.com/ , we use them a lot
[22:03] <russss> spacex launch now targeting the end of the window :/
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> I'd give them a ring, they dont bits
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> *bite
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> polyamide tape works well at low temperature, tbh I'd just use that
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[22:13] <AndyEsser> daveake: ta for hanging around so I could experience Field HABing
[22:14] <AndyEsser> mfa298: no bacon I'm afraid
[22:14] <daveake> np
[22:14] <AndyEsser> much appreciated :)
[22:14] <daveake> and no bacon? Training, more, you need
[22:14] <AndyEsser> I'm not a massive bacon fan, I'm afraid
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[22:15] <fsphil> That is the path to the dark side
[22:15] <fsphil> to be fair, a lot of bacon fans are quite massive
[22:15] <AndyEsser> I'm not exactly small ;)
[22:15] <AndyEsser> and after the trek into the field with daveake - definitely not fit
[22:16] <fsphil> nor me. need to do more cycling/walking/not sitting a a computer
[22:16] <daveake> hah ditto
[22:16] <fsphil> at*
[22:16] <AndyEsser> fsphil: but sitting at a computer is more fun
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[22:16] <AndyEsser> and with that, I must bid you adieu as I have to be up at 6am to head over to Bangore
[22:16] <AndyEsser> Bangor*
[22:17] <fsphil> think I'll like emfcamp. it's camping, with also sitting in front of computer
[22:17] <AndyEsser> fsphil: it should be good - as long as I manage to get a ticket
[22:18] <russss> my suspicion is that the next set of tickets will be on sale on the evening of June 7/8/9th
[22:18] <russss> and that's quite a good suspicion as I'm the person who'll be putting them on sale
[22:21] <AndyEsser> can you narrow it down a bit ;)
[22:21] <russss> nope
[22:21] <AndyEsser> (not that I'm demanding or anything)
[22:21] <russss> bit more work to do yet
[22:22] <AndyEsser> as long as I spend the money before Download festival, it means I won't accidentally drink the money :P
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[22:23] <Laurenceb_> Download festival O_o
[22:23] <Laurenceb_> whyyy
[22:24] <AndyEsser> what?
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[22:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK9WI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK9WI
[23:02] <DL7AD> qyx: i haven't worked on it for a week or so. thomas and i built 4 additional trackers one week ago. but i had a lot to do, so i will probably continue on weekend. the camera and the software workes fine tough.
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