highaltitude.log.20160525

[00:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOEY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOEY
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[00:08] <adamgreig> .dial JOEY
[00:08] <SpacenearUS> 03adamgreig: Latest dials for 03JOEY 10(9756): none
[00:09] <adamgreig> aw
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[04:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HAB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2HAB-11
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[06:22] <fl_0> can the habhub predictor be run with OSM maps instead of google?
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[07:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03G-THOR after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-THOR
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[08:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FKC-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FKC-7
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[09:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FKC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FKC-11
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[09:17] <Geoff-G8-> Morning all
[09:17] <fsphil> yo
[09:17] <craag> o/
[09:18] <Geoff-G8-> daveake, Is it worth while trying your latest test version of the gateway code ?
[09:18] <Geoff-G8-> the one your testing rather than the latest on github ?
[09:19] Nick change: Geoff-G8- -> Geoff-G8DHE
[09:19] <daveake> Latest release with the status window changes? Sure. There are now separate lines for the latest telemetry and SDV packets, with each showing "seconds since last packet"
[09:19] <daveake> Ah. yeah probably. I'll dropbox it.
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[09:19] <daveake> I wrote it yesterday evening so it hasn't had a lot of testing :)
[09:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK no point in updating from githubthen!
[09:20] <daveake> It was a rare thing - after fixing 2 simple errors (wrong URL, and PUT instead of POST) it burst into life
[09:20] <daveake> No not yet
[09:20] <daveake> After the flight
[09:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ok I'll put the github master on then in that case
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[09:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah OK I see what you mean, I'll wait for the dropbox link in that case!
[09:23] <daveake> The new one dispenses with the 8 SSDV upload threads, and has just 1. There are now 2 large upload queues, one for filling and one for uploading, so the upload thread assembles a single POST with a list of packets.
[09:24] <daveake> Hopefully it will cope better with my dodgy internet
[09:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> right, I must admit I was trying to understand the purpose of 8 threads
[09:24] <daveake> (upload contention it seems)
[09:26] <daveake> I'll put the main gateway up on this tomorrow https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjKb-2zWUAA_NZb.jpg:large
[09:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't fill that with H2 will you!
[09:27] <daveake> hah no :)
[09:27] <richardeoin> looks like ubseds15 just encountered some weather - lost 1km altitude from 0900 BST
[09:27] <richardeoin> telemertry graph shows it quite well http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=7&qm=6_hours&f=UBSEDS15&q=UBSEDS15
[09:28] <richardeoin> has recovered again now
[09:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YAM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YAM-1
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[10:17] <AndyEsser> !flights
[10:17] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Current flights: 03NOVA31 10(9756), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
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[10:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CT2JVS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CT2JVS
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[10:41] <jakeio> Has anyone ordered from BalloonHelium recently?
[10:41] <jakeio> They're rejecting my card and not answering the phone.
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[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JOEY after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOEY
[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WIDE1-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WIDE1-1
[11:03] <number10> I see adamgreig is going american
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[11:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9JJA-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9JJA-9
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALLON-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALLON-11
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[11:35] <G0WXI> !dial joey
[11:35] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI: Latest dials for 03JOEY 10(9756): 03434.592182 MHz
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[12:02] <adamgreig> launch
[12:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> comming in suws web sdr
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[12:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K5LSU-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K5LSU-11
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[12:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5NBC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5NBC-11
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5FPX-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5FPX-11
[12:31] <Laurenceb_> https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2016-05-23-150318.jpg
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[12:47] <gb73d> http://www.solarimpulse.com/sitv
[12:47] <gb73d> live
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AD6AM_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AD6AM_chase
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[12:55] <PE2G> !flights
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03NOVA31 10(9756), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[12:55] <adamgreig> uploading chase car
[12:56] <adamgreig> (AD6AM)
[12:56] <PE2G> !dial NOVA31
[12:56] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:56] <craag> !dial JOEY
[12:56] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Latest dials for 03JOEY 10(9756): 03434.593883 MHz, 434.5933 MHz, 434.59368 MHz, 434.59301 MHz, 434.593397 MHz, 434.593 MHz, 434.5939 MHz, 434.5935 MHz, 434.59875 MHz
[12:56] <craag> PE2G: ^^
[12:56] <PE2G> tnx
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[13:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI434 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI434
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[13:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI868 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI868
[13:24] <adamgreig> pop
[13:27] <M0JCU> That was a sub-standard balloon
[13:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> send it back
[13:28] <Vaizki_> undo
[13:28] <Vaizki_> you need this http://explosm.net/comics/4310/
[13:28] <M0JCU> The parachute isn't up to much either :)
[13:29] <adamgreig> quite a bit of gas
[13:29] <adamgreig> parachute hopefully kick in soon lol
[13:29] <M0JCU> Looks like it's stopped spinning but it's still heading for about 8m/s at landing. Splat
[13:30] <adamgreig> ta
[13:30] <adamgreig> that's not so far off 5m/s :p
[13:30] <AndyEsser> it's not so far off double 5m/s :P
[13:30] <adamgreig> was expecting mor elike 25km than 21km
[13:31] <daveake> or splash possibly
[13:31] <adamgreig> fingers crossed it hits the fields
[13:31] <daveake> I'm hoping for better from tomorrow's 1600
[13:31] <M0JCU> I was wondering whether it would make it to Grafham Water.
[13:31] <daveake> law of averags and all that :p
[13:31] <adamgreig> this was 800 with about 1.5kg payload maybe
[13:31] <adamgreig> down to 12m/s down so parachute is doing its thing
[13:32] <AndyEsser> daveake: I totally misread your email as a launch today...
[13:32] Action: daveake checks
[13:32] <AndyEsser> I'll stick my drainage pipe antenna back up again and see if I can pick up your 434 tracker
[13:32] <M0JCU> Still 7.4 m/s at landing
[13:32] <daveake> yeah tomorrow is Thursday :)
[13:32] <AndyEsser> daveake: no no - you said tomorrow :P
[13:33] <AndyEsser> I just read it having woken up and then saw adamgreig's
[13:33] <AndyEsser> mind must've conflated them :P
[13:34] <fsphil> what is time anyway
[13:35] <daveake> dunno; it's always changing
[13:37] <Ian_> What size parachute on Joey?
[13:39] <adamgreig> 36" maybe more
[13:41] <gb73d> SOLAR IMPULSE LIVE COVERAGE CONTINUES: http://www.solarimpulse.com/sitv
[13:41] <Ian_> Thanks Adam
[13:43] <adamgreig> not going to catch this one sadly
[13:49] <adamgreig> it's down i guess
[13:50] <M0JCU> looks like an easy recovery
[13:50] <adamgreig> you were pretty spot on with landing speed
[13:51] <M0JCU> It's only physics :)
[13:51] <M0JCU> (and standard atmosphere)
[13:51] <M0JCU> ... and 25 years of parachute engineering
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[14:05] <Laurenceb_> https://dropfile.to/Wpgp4QN
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[14:20] <adamgreig> textbook recovery
[14:20] <daveake> No wonder it weighed so much :p
[14:21] <daveake> People fly anything these days :p
[14:29] <gb73d> nice scematic
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[14:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WD0FKC-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WD0FKC-12
[14:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WD0FKC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WD0FKC-11
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[15:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM6AOX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM6AOX-11
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[15:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CS5PBA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CS5PBA-11
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[15:41] <Ian_> Ah, that final fix put Joey very close to the road. Ideal; well done.
[15:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
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[16:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sq5mbg_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sq5mbg_chase
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[16:40] <tweetBot> @daveake: LCARS dash-mount touchscreen display being tested for tomorrow's flight and chase. This is the SSDV screen. #ukhas https://t.co/oNAMLwfFuj
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[16:57] <arjunnaha> If I can't mount my X50 to the roof, would this be okay to put up the side of the house http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/telescopic-antenna-masts-sotapoles/
[16:59] <mfa298> I'm not sure those will carry much weight, the 2mm diameter top section might be a bit small to fix the X50 to as well
[17:00] <mfa298> I think they've been used for fishing paylods out of trees though.
[17:01] <mfa298> you can get aluminium telescopic or aluminium swaged poles though that should take the X50
[17:01] <arjunnaha> Ah, the heavy ones ;)
[17:01] <tweetBot> @daveake: Run-through of most of the LCARS chase-car HAB functions https://t.co/64iPnJVWT0 #UKHAS
[17:02] <mfa298> I've got a 11 section aluminium mast where I've used the 6 larger sections (~10m) for a vertical antenna, and the other 5 sections for the other end of a large dipole.
[17:02] <arjunnaha> Are they then mounting holes for the antenna?
[17:02] <arjunnaha> *there
[17:03] <mfa298> my vertical antenna came with a mount that attaches to the side of the pole with U bolts
[17:03] <arjunnaha> Perfect!
[17:03] <arjunnaha> Where did you get your mast from?
[17:04] <mfa298> radioworld I think (it was almost 10 years ago) and I think was around £200
[17:04] <mfa298> the swaged poles might be cheaper and in someways less hassle
[17:05] <mfa298> you could also look at suitable brackets and get the antenna mounted to the side of the house / chimney
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[17:06] <mfa298> or talk to a local scaffolder and see if they have old poles for sale
[17:06] <mfa298> (I wanted something vageuly portable and easily storable)
[17:11] <mfa298> I think that's the one I've got http://radioworld.co.uk/amateur_radio_accessories/weather_antenna_masts/atm-65_11-section_portable_aluminium_mast_19_8m_65ft_long
[17:11] <SIbot> In real units: 65 ft = 20 m
[17:11] <mfa298> but there look to be cheaper / shorter options
[17:12] <daveake> Suddenly my mast seems inadequate :p
[17:12] <mfa298> for a semi permanent install I'd look at mounting to a house / scafold poles instead though.
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[17:12] <mfa298> I've never used more than 6 sections together at a time with that and I'm not sure I'd want to put anything heavy on the top few sections
[17:13] <arjunnaha> It would be a permanent thing for receiving
[17:14] <mfa298> if you've got a TV antenna you could see if you can put it on the same mount/pole (or upgrade them if not suitable)
[17:15] <arjunnaha> I've got a chimney mount that's got a few TV and DAB antenna on it, so I'll bite the bullet and pay for mounting
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[17:16] <mfa298> useful tip I came across was put the antenna up withotu the coax for a week or two, then if anyone complains it's affecting their EastEnders experience it lets you point out it's not actually connected so can't be the cause of their issues)
[17:18] <arjunnaha> Lol, anyways I was looking to have my antenna broadcast a high power signal at TV frequency; and then blackmail the neighbours
[17:19] <arjunnaha> jks
[17:19] <mfa298> plug your payload into it and DOS their cars.
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[17:19] <SP5NVX> e2cf183abf64f0a23f695a4e1ea343ae
[17:20] <mfa298> not a recommended approach if you like your neigbours
[17:20] <SP5NVX> add please e2cf183abf64f0a23f695a4e1ea343ae to fldigi
[17:20] <arjunnaha> I think the RTTY would drive people bonkers
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[17:23] <mfa298> they're unlikely to hear it, but payloads have been known to lock people out of their cars
[17:23] <mfa298> SP5NVX you need to ask in #habhub
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[17:23] <mfa298> oh and he left
[17:23] <arjunnaha> Too laet
[17:23] <arjunnaha> *late
[17:24] <mfa298> looks like it's only a payload doc anyway, not a flight doc
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[18:17] <JonnyAlpha> Just logged on and missed the JOEY flight today, looks like the chase car either has it and is on its way back or is nearly there?
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[18:20] <mfa298> 14:20 < adamgreig> textbook recovery
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[19:15] <tjanos> !dial JA0GBW-8
[19:15] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[19:24] <tjanos> !dial JA0GWB-8
[19:24] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: 03JA0GWB-8 is over APRS. 144.8Mhz EU/Russia/Africa, 144.39Mhz USA, 144.64Mhz China
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[19:37] <JonnyAlpha> Hi; what would be the recommended purchase price of a Yaesu FT-790R 70cm UHF All Mode Transceiver. Old used condition, no antenna.
[19:43] <mfa298> I'd probably have a look on ebay, in particular at completed listings to get an idea.
[19:56] <tjanos> !dial yam-1
[19:56] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[19:56] <tjanos> !dial YAM-1
[19:56] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[19:56] <tjanos> hmmm...
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[20:03] <JonnyAlpha> Hi, what would be a reasonable price for an old Yaesu FT790R, no antenna, seems to be working but not tested?
[20:05] <Upu> ooo
[20:05] <Upu> not much given the Airspy will destroy it on RX performance most likely
[20:05] <Upu> however it does transmit
[20:06] <Upu> how much are they asking for it ?
[20:10] <daveake> They're very old now, so have had plenty of time to develop a fault. I had one that did just that after working fine for a while. I'd be very cautious.
[20:12] <Upu> Yeah would agree
[20:12] <Upu> if they'll let you have it for a thank you then take it
[20:12] <Upu> otherwise spend your money on an Airspy Mini or something
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[20:13] <daveake> A nice option for chase car / on foot as they're sensitive and run for ages on battery
[20:13] <daveake> but otherwise there are plenty of better optoins
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[20:14] <prog> yeah get the mini, or a kitten will die
[20:16] <Upu> 790 got batteries ?
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[20:22] <daveake> C cells
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[20:34] <Upu> wow :)
[20:34] <Upu> can you still buy those ? :)
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[20:36] <daveake> Mine outlasted my 790 :/
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[20:52] <fsphil> mine's still going. at least it was the last time I had it on
[20:52] Action: fsphil goes looking
[20:52] <Ian_> A problem that plagued the FT range was the if filters and DC causing them to die over time. Not sure if damp conditions accelerated it, but basically a design fault that was only rectified with coupling capacitors fairly recently.
[20:52] <Ian_> Symptom, unexplicable deafness
[20:53] <Ian_> * inexplicable
[20:53] <fsphil> sounds like my ft857
[20:53] <fsphil> yaesu never learn :)
[20:54] <Ian_> It's a quite expensive fix if you don't do it yourself, but few have the facilities and it really needs the mod too.
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[21:05] <SpeedEvil> ~24h till we'll know if F9s latest landing worked.
[21:05] <SM0ULC-Reb> evening
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> evening
[21:05] <fsphil> howdy
[21:06] <SM0ULC-Reb> YAM-1 seems to lower a bit for the night.. one hope
[21:11] <richardeoin> SM0ULC-Reb: curious name for a balloon http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=YAM
[21:11] <SM0ULC-Reb> ha
[21:11] <SM0ULC-Reb> didn't know that
[21:13] <richardeoin> is there a webpage or post about YAM-1?
[21:13] <richardeoin> the high altitude balloon, that is
[21:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://sp7pki.iq24.pl/default.asp?grupa=230409&temat=439567
[21:17] <richardeoin> thanks SA6BSS-Mike
[21:17] <richardeoin> I wonder what kind of balloon it is, with that altitude profile
[21:17] <richardeoin> maybe zero-pressure?
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> richardeoin: is some backlog missing from UBSEDS15?
[21:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9_chase
[21:44] <richardeoin> Laurenceb_: Yep, two days worth - 21st and 22nd
[21:44] <richardeoin> no clues as to why though
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> odd
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> is the log a simple loop?
[21:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9TOM_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9TOM_chase
[21:45] <richardeoin> the internal temperature = 128 on the 23rd is a known bug
[21:45] <richardeoin> it records in a loop, there's 256 entries
[21:45] Action: Laurenceb_ loads x-f.lv
[21:46] <richardeoin> but plays back in binary van der corput order - 1, 128, 64, 192, 32..
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> ah nice
[21:47] <richardeoin> so you get the general overview first, and then fills in over time
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> battery looks ok, very odd
[21:48] <Laurenceb_> maybe it got damp
[21:48] <Laurenceb_> did you manage to calculate float pressure?
[21:49] <richardeoin> no still haven't done it :'-( last exam tomorrow
[21:49] <richardeoin> it did something interesting this morning btw
[21:50] <richardeoin> lost 1km altitude over ~45 minutes
[21:50] <richardeoin> but got it back again
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> odd
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> good luck with the exam
[21:52] <richardeoin> I suspect icing, it was on the edge of cumulonimbus marked on the high level sigwx charts
[21:52] <richardeoin> thanks
[21:58] <richardeoin> I've been procrastinating by learning kicad, slowly getting the hang of it
[21:58] <richardeoin> doing my first 4-layer board for kicks
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[22:53] <adamgreig> richardeoin: yay kicad :D
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[23:30] <Laurenceb_> I need to learn kikcad
[23:31] <Laurenceb_> it seems to have improved a lot since I first looked at it
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[23:48] <adamgreig> it's improved a lot since i swapped to it
[23:48] <adamgreig> the pcb editor is really nice now
[23:48] <adamgreig> i hope they turn their attention to the schematic editor soon
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[23:57] <Laurenceb_> UBSEDS-15 flying over missile fields :D
[23:58] <mattbrejza> !track UBSEDS-15
[23:58] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS-15
[23:59] <Laurenceb_> minuteman 3
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