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[03:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
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[07:00] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> is anyone listening to x0. its quite strong on london web sdr
[07:01] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> its ob 434.406
[07:03] <pjm> SA6BSS-Mike|2, i can check in a few minutes when antenna is free
[07:09] <Upu> not visable from Yorkshire
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[07:15] <SM0ULC-Reb> morrn
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[07:34] <swaledale> morning
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[08:03] <AndyEsser> morning
[08:03] <swaledale> ello
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[08:04] <fsphil> [beginning startup sequence]
[08:04] <swaledale> kernel error = 0xlackofcoffee
[08:04] <AndyEsser> fsphil: Kernel Panic: Insufficient Caoffee Resources
[08:04] <AndyEsser> ha
[08:04] <swaledale> ahaha
[08:04] <AndyEsser> Coffee*
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[08:12] <pb0ahx> !flights
[08:12] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03IRBE-1: Legacy launch 10(3000), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[08:15] <gonzo__> I'll stick with the old: +++ out of cheese error +++
[08:15] <pb0ahx> frequentie of X0 ??
[08:19] <PE1ANS> 435.405 Herman
[08:20] <PE1ANS> sorry 234.405
[08:20] <PE1ANS> nou ja 434.405
[08:20] <fsphil> :)
[08:20] <pb0ahx> i have it
[08:20] <pb0ahx> tnx
[08:21] <pb0ahx> wat is dat knetteren voor mode ??
[08:21] <fsphil> details on the mailing list
[08:21] <PE1ANS> vormoedelijk Lora
[08:22] <pb0ahx> a ff kijken
[08:22] <PE1ANS> moet ook nog eens uitzoeken hoe dat werkt
[08:25] <PE1ANS> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ukhas/W_yPLtYYfzI voor meer info Herman
[08:32] <pb0ahx> tnx
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[08:37] <pb0ahx> lorra is running now i hope the settings are ok here
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[08:41] <pb0ahx> unknown packet type is a8h mmmmmmm
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[08:45] <pb0ahx> mmmm ch1 crc failure rssi 101
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[08:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> which formats is X0 running ? I can see RTTY but not found its speed yet
[08:56] <craag> 75bd iirc
[08:56] <SM0ULC-Reb> 75baud 490Hz shift 7N2
[08:56] <SM0ULC-Reb> i think
[08:57] <fsphil> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ukhas/W_yPLtYYfzI
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[08:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03G-THOR after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-THOR
[08:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Tks I'm remote so can't hear the data! so just a case of stepping thru the usual ones! didn't thnk of 75Baud!
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[08:59] <g4wpo> Getting funny readings from X0:- $X0,4721,08:59:12,51.29338,1.80507,-14662,0,0,2.62,04*76B
[08:59] Nick change: Pingi -> Guest59560
[09:00] <g4wpo> $$X0,4726,09:00:00,51.29338,1.80507,-14662,0,0,2.61,04*6106
[09:00] <fsphil> 75 is quite unusual
[09:00] <g4wpo> X0 height is stuck at something deep underwater
[09:01] <AndyEsser> X0 has been reporting buggered altitude since launch :(
[09:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Also needs the flight document extending for a lot longer otherwise its manual tracking :-(
[09:02] <Guest59560> Pingi in the Sky (Projekt Second Sun), reached 36.630 m, Pi in the Sky still active after landing, great sucess for first time flight, we had Hyowee 1600 and 2300g payload, travel range was abaout 100km
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[09:04] <g4wpo> The lat and long on X0 also seem to get stuck, but do update from time to time
[09:04] <fsphil> that's a pretty good altitude Guest59560
[09:04] <edmoore> congratulations Guest59560
[09:04] <edmoore> tho I should point out that it's normal for the flight computer to still be running after landing
[09:04] <edmoore> if it's not something has gone wrong!
[09:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I'm uploading data at present but nothing is being added, has the flight doc. time been exceeded ?
[09:06] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE-M: It hasn't got gps lock
[09:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah right!
[09:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> tks
[09:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> looks at data rather than signal!
[09:13] <Geoff_G8DHE> Is it doing LoRa as well ?
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[09:16] <Geoff_G8DHE> RocketBoy, is it doing LoRa as well, the last flight seemed to have it ?
[09:17] <RocketBoy> yes
[09:17] <RocketBoy> EXPLICIT_MODE;
[09:17] <RocketBoy> ERROR_CODING_4_8;
[09:17] <RocketBoy> BANDWIDTH_20K8;
[09:17] <RocketBoy> SPREADING_11;
[09:17] <RocketBoy> LowDataRateOptimize Enabled;
[09:17] <Geoff_G8DHE> Tks
[09:18] <RocketBoy> I can (just) hear it from here on a handheld indoors - so it can be that far way
[09:18] <Geoff_G8DHE> got it
[09:19] <Geoff_G8DHE> ok on both modes other than lack of GPS ;-)
[09:24] <Geoff_G8DHE> yup its very strong, peaking on the beam at about 73°
[09:25] <Geoff_G8DHE> I take it it doesn't do any resets on a schedule ?
[09:26] <pb0ahx> unknow packet type in lora wat do i rong ??
[09:26] <Geoff_G8DHE> I got a CRC failure that time
[09:26] <Geoff_G8DHE> 09:20:39 Ch0: $$X0,4841,09:20:42,51.29338,1.80507,-14662,0,0,2.61,04*2FD7
[09:26] <Geoff_G8DHE> Ch0: CRC Failure, RSSI -124
[09:27] <pb0ahx> Geoff_G8DHE, that have i also but rssi -98
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[09:36] <pb0ahx> the map is also stuck here mmm
[09:37] <Geoff_G8DHE> GPS is not locked so its not updating
[09:39] <pb0ahx> were is he now ??? hihihi
[09:39] <PE1ANS> Herman en Renee ben er tussen uit, moet gaan werken, tot later
[09:40] <pb0ahx> werkse
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[09:44] <Geoff_G8DHE> Humm no LoRa for the last few cycles either ...
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[09:53] <Geoff_G8DHE> RTTY gone as well now ...
[09:55] <pb0ahx> i hrd him very weakly now
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[10:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LEGIOPI2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LEGIOPI2
[10:45] <Geoff_G8DHE> No signals from X0 since 09:51
[10:49] <dbrooke> I wasn't listening to it at the time, so don't know if it faded or cut out, but the last I have on screen is 5028 on Lora and 5027 on RTTY
[11:01] <AndyEsser> just registered to have an induction day on Friday at a place that has CNC machines, 3d printers etc
[11:01] <AndyEsser> that'll be awesome for my HAB
[11:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> nice
[11:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> makerlab type thing?
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[11:03] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: it's a "Fab Foundation" thing at Bangor Uni
[11:03] <AndyEsser> so not quite makerspace - but close
[11:04] <Ben-AstroSoc> cool
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[11:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9PD - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9PD
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[12:12] <swaledale> !flights
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> 03swaledale: Current flights: 03IRBE-1: Legacy launch 10(3000), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
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[12:28] <tridor> Hello, I have got a cylinder of Balloon gas from BOC but they had no idea about filling kits...
[12:29] <tridor> As far as I can tell the gas in under enormous pressure and I need some king of regulator?......
[12:29] <tridor> I can't just fill by turning the valve on top?
[12:29] <tridor> kind of
[12:29] <edmoore> yes
[12:30] <edmoore> you are aright, you can't do that
[12:30] <edmoore> and i am unsurprised that a boc person wouldn;t know what a 'filling kit' is
[12:30] <edmoore> because it's a not a recognised term and only has meaning in a very specific balloon context
[12:30] <edmoore> so
[12:30] <edmoore> you must DIY
[12:31] <edmoore> you'll need a regulator as you rightly identify
[12:32] <edmoore> they will know about those and what to recommend
[12:32] <edmoore> you then want some kind of tube from the regulator so a bigger tube that you can put the balloon neck over to fill
[12:32] <edmoore> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:fill_tube
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[12:34] <tridor> ok, thanks for confirming the regulator, I'll get DIY'ing some more :-)
[12:34] <edmoore> no probs
[12:34] <edmoore> the gas in the bottle is about 220bar
[12:35] <edmoore> most regulatrs are about 0-10bar output
[12:35] <edmoore> which is what you want for a balloon fill
[12:35] <edmoore> we don;t actually use them to regulate output pressure so much as flow rate
[12:35] <edmoore> but they reduce the mass flow right down as a byproduct of reducing the pressure, so we are happy
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[12:38] <swaledale> BOC have a choice of regulators and connectors that they can supply with the bottle. The Latex Filling Kit is a plastic flexible nozzle that allows gas to escape when pressed to one side after it is connected to a regulator: http://www.boconline.co.uk/en/products-and-supply/balloon-gas-and-equipment/balloon-filling-equipment/balloon-filling-equipment.html
[12:39] <edmoore> that's designed for filling party balloons
[12:39] <edmoore> not really what you want for weather balloons
[12:42] <swaledale> guess it depends what your filling kit can connect to and if you have connected a threaded connector or not, if not then hose straight onto the filler works, a la https://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:9352720505_2fe92246e1.jpg?id=guides%3Afill_tube
[12:43] <edmoore> yes, anything can be made to conector to anything with the right combination of tea, hose, gaffa table and jubilee clips
[12:45] <swaledale> BOC also state that the cylinder requires a 'filling kit' when you buy the gas: http://www.boconlineshop.com/shop/en/uk/balloon-gas-cylinder?_ga=1.108182859.875526426.1464007019
[12:46] <swaledale> Guess it depends which person answered the phone that day :)
[12:48] <edmoore> i suspect my boc rep knows what answer he'd get if he tried to sell me one of his filling kits
[12:49] <tridor> ok, thanks everyone for the info
[12:50] <swaledale> edmoore what do you use to connect to the cylinder? threaded brass connector straight to hose and then PVC, or is it a different kind of connector?
[12:52] <edmoore> no i have a regulator
[12:52] <edmoore> like normal
[12:52] <edmoore> but it's diy drom the regulator output to the fill tube
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[13:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Found car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Found%20car_chase
[13:14] <AndyEsser> it'd be nice if BOC ever bothered to respond to any of my 3 emails...
[13:14] <AndyEsser> might just rock up one day and see about opening an account
[13:14] <edmoore> why did you email them?
[13:14] <edmoore> they live in a world of business-to-business
[13:14] <edmoore> which is done with phones
[13:15] <AndyEsser> not always - but I get what you're saying
[13:15] <edmoore> unless tech industry almost always
[13:15] <edmoore> find a rep, call a rep, stuff gets done
[13:22] <gonzo__> reps get commission for selling you stuff, people who check sales enquiry accounts are just back office admin staff
[13:22] <gonzo__> who nget paid anyway
[13:24] <swaledale> How much is a BOC T now?
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[13:30] <Laurenceb_> heh meailing BOC
[13:36] <cm13g09> edmoore: I do fully agree with your line about B2B
[13:36] <cm13g09> I'd far rather pick up a phone and call somebody
[13:37] <cm13g09> (exception: Farnell, unless you get the one guy that seems to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of their catalogue)
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[13:55] <Vega2> Hi there
[13:55] <Vega2> Somebody can help me?
[13:55] <Vega2> Its about a spanish launch
[13:56] <craag> go on
[13:56] <Vega2> I dont know how I can aprove my flight
[13:56] <craag> Ok, so you've created a payload doc?
[13:57] <Vega2> Yes, I have
[13:57] <Vega2> I do..
[13:57] <craag> Have you checked that the payload appears on the map when you upload?
[13:57] <Vega2> Yes, I have checked several times....
[13:57] <craag> Great, and then you've created a flight doc?
[13:58] <Vega2> Yes I have a flight doc
[13:58] <craag> Awesome, post the flight doc id (long hex string) in #habhub and ask nicely for approval :)
[13:58] <Vega2> One minute
[14:00] <Vega2> I dont know were is this hex string
[14:00] <craag> Ok, what's the name of your flight doc?
[14:00] <Vega2> The flight name is VEGA-2
[14:00] <craag> Ok, come over to #habhub
[14:01] <craag> You might be able to click that link ^^
[14:01] <Vega2> No
[14:01] <Vega2> yes
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> use "/j #habhun"
[14:01] <AndyEsser> 2x habhun in 24 hours :)
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> #habhub
[14:03] <fsphil> that channel probably exists
[14:07] <edmoore> for those into latex
[14:07] <gonzo__> it prob does now
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[14:12] <Vaizki_> it's not a channel, it's the #habhun mansion, presided over by Geoff in a bath robe
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not at this time of day, I'm out getting new participants ;-)
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[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-10 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-10
[14:19] <Vaizki_> Geoff-G8DHE-M, ah.. harvesting the spring chickens.
[14:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE2WMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[14:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G4MRP_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G4MRP_chase
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[15:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9YMN-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9YMN-11
[15:35] <AndyEsser> Upu: does uputronics take paypal?
[15:41] <craag> AndyEsser: https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=8
[15:41] <AndyEsser> cheers
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[16:34] <Upu> we only take paypal AndyEsser :)
[16:35] <AndyEsser> Upu: cheers
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[17:12] <RocketBoy> did anyone hear X0 after 11:00 (10:00 GMT) today - 434.405MHz ?
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[17:36] <arjunnaha> Where would one get a helium regulator to use on a BOC Genie to fill a weather balloon?
[17:37] <RocketBoy> BOC
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[17:39] <arjunnaha> They ones they give, the blue ones reference above, edmoore said shouldn't be used
[17:39] <dbrooke> RocketBoy: I left my kit running but it heard nothing after the LoRa sequence 5028 at 10:54:18 local
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[17:41] <RocketBoy> thanks dbrooke: there are entries in habhub all the way up to 09:59:54 - sew 5059
[17:41] <RocketBoy> habitat
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[17:41] <RocketBoy> sew = seq no
[17:43] <dbrooke> I wasn't listening to it at the time, so don't know if it faded or cut out, RTTY disappeared at the same time seq 5027
[17:44] <RocketBoy> Geoff_G8DHE lost it about 09:50
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[17:45] <edmoore> arjunnaha: can you link to the one you're talking about?
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[17:46] <RocketBoy> the one I have (single guage) is for nitrogen - they dont (or didnt) do a prpoer helium regulator
[17:46] <RocketBoy> thats blue
[17:46] <arjunnaha> http://www.boconline.co.uk/en/products-and-supply/balloon-gas-and-equipment/balloon-filling-equipment/balloon-filling-equipment.html
[17:47] <RocketBoy> those arnt for genie
[17:47] <arjunnaha> What's the outlet range?
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[17:47] <arjunnaha> *value
[17:49] <RocketBoy> I *think* its a DIN 477
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[17:50] <RocketBoy> but you would be better asking BOC for the proper one - space is very restricted becuase of the handles - and while it might be the right thread it might still not fit in the available space
[17:51] <arjunnaha> The one for the Genie, outlet pressure 50bar is quite expensive
[17:53] <RocketBoy> the proper one is the 70918 I think - http://www.boconline.co.uk/en/products-and-supply/genie-gas-cylinders/genie-regulators/genie-regulators.html
[17:54] <RocketBoy> if you just want a party balloon filler then ask for one when you hire the clyinder
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[17:55] <arjunnaha> How long would that take compared to a proper one
[17:56] <RocketBoy> the 70918 was about £95 IIRC - niticably cheaper than the full sized clyinder fillers
[17:56] <JonnyAlpha> hi, how do you find out the frequency details etc of a flight that is on the HabHub map but is not listed on the calendar?
[17:57] <mfa298> JonnyAlpha: check the mailing list or ask
[17:57] <mfa298> usually best to check the list first
[17:58] <RocketBoy> arjunnaha: yeah just checked mine its the 70918 (0-10 bar output)
[17:59] <arjunnaha> Perfect, thanks
[17:59] <RocketBoy> fill time depends a lot on hose diameter & length
[17:59] <RocketBoy> the downside to the ballon fillers is that you have to push a hose over them - ok for a flight or two
[18:00] <RocketBoy> but if you looking for something to do lots of flights then a proper reulator and hose setup is what you need
[18:01] <RocketBoy> for the first couple of flights Id just use a standard balloon filler + push on hose - then take it from there
[18:02] <JonnyAlpha> mfa298 - is that the UKHAS-Launches Mailing List (Google Group) which is listed on HabHub? Just Joined it and the only posts are from 2013?
[18:02] <RocketBoy> some companies will hire you the balloon filler regulators for free when you hire a clyiner
[18:03] <mfa298> JonnyAlpha: ukhas on google groups (not ukhas-launches)
[18:03] <arjunnaha> Yeh, I got the standard one last time for free
[18:04] <RocketBoy> genie balloon filler regulator
[18:04] <RocketBoy> opps
[18:04] <RocketBoy> oops
[18:05] <JonnyAlpha> mfa298 I am on UKHAS - it's just I often see a lot of flights in the air that have not been advertised?
[18:07] <RocketBoy> arjunnaha: I believe BOC do a Genie variant of this http://www.boconline.co.uk/internet.lg.lg.gbr/en/images/20110927_54852_212x135_476410_31354.jpg - but I dont have the number
[18:07] <mfa298> some of them are imported from aprs so won't be listed elsewhere
[18:08] <arjunnaha> Yes, they do. I had it last time I rented out a cylinder
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[18:14] <jcoxon> fsphil, did you summon me via zeusbot yesterday?
[18:14] <jcoxon> just saw the email in the spam box
[18:14] <fsphil> jcoxon: hah, yeah after it burst
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[18:15] <fsphil> swaledale | or goes into spam
[18:17] <jcoxon> oi edmoore
[18:18] <jcoxon> the text doesn't come through unfortunately
[18:18] <edmoore> i'm just decorating your spam folder
[18:18] <edmoore> yes that's a shame
[18:18] <edmoore> we'll never know what might have been
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[19:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MABE00730_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MABE00730_chase
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[20:29] <OLHZN> How do we get our HABHUB flight documents approved so they appear on the calendar?
[20:30] <daveake> join #habhub, post the flight document ID, and ask nicely
[20:32] <OLHZN> Perfect. Thank you!
[20:32] <lz1dev> demand approval
[20:32] <lz1dev> establish dominance
[20:33] <OLHZN> I think we need more feathers before we try establishing dominance. :-)
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[21:05] <arjunnaha> Would this be ok for HABing with? http://www.thebushcraftstore.co.uk/350-glow-in-the-dark-paracord---us-made-gsa-compliant-26620-p.asp
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[21:11] <daveake> That's too strong really
[21:11] <RocketBoy> Thats way overkill IMO
[21:11] <daveake> Guidelines https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:guidelines are for 230N which is about 50lbs breaking strain
[21:11] <SIbot> In real units: 50 lbs = 22.7 kg
[21:12] <RocketBoy> yeah most folk use 1.0mm braided nylon
[21:13] <RocketBoy> The ICAO recommend that the line would seperate with 230N
[21:14] <RocketBoy> (for a small payload)
[21:14] <RocketBoy> look up ICA rules of the air annex 2
[21:14] <RocketBoy> ICAO
[21:15] <RocketBoy> appendix 4
[21:19] <arjunnaha> So that's something I should be following...
[21:19] <arjunnaha> Perfect, thanks
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[23:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI868 after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI868
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