highaltitude.log.20160521

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[00:50] <ulfr> hi
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[00:52] <ulfr> oh noes
[00:53] <Ian_> hi ulfr
[00:53] <ulfr> hi Ian_
[00:53] <Ian_> Hows the wx with you these days?
[00:54] <ulfr> quite okay
[00:54] <ulfr> been 13C for few days and sunny
[00:54] <ulfr> which is better than the snowstorm few weeks ago
[00:54] <Ian_> I guess that's good at your personal latitude.
[00:54] <ulfr> My WX of course blew off early this winter so no good data from that crap
[00:55] <ulfr> I guess stainless steel isn't that durable after all
[00:55] <Ian_> Tomorrow, here it's 13C and raining. the bees will love it . . . not a lot!
[00:55] <Ian_> SS is expensive and over rated I think
[00:56] <Ian_> We didn't see much in the way of snow during the winter. Quite mild
[00:58] <ulfr> Nice
[00:58] <ulfr> We only set a record of 10m of snow this winter
[00:59] <ulfr> or something like that
[00:59] <ulfr> we had to cut of some of the HV lines because snow was reaching too close to the lines
[01:02] <Ian_> That must have been a bit scary. 10m of snow, oh wow - almost no concept!
[01:03] <ulfr> well..
[01:03] <ulfr> No need for sarcasm.
[01:06] <Ian_> No sarcasm. It's unlikely that we see a metre of snow each year, so for most of us the concept of 10m drifts is a bit alien.
[01:06] <Ian_> I kid you not.
[01:07] <Ian_> You going to UKHAS Conf this year?
[01:07] <Ian_> Still in the planning stage, but seems like Cambridge in September 3 or 10
[01:10] <Laurenceb_> in Cambridge?!
[01:10] <Laurenceb_> sounds refreshing :P
[01:19] <Ian_> Yup, seems that way. Still subject to confirmation of course. Steve is the mover and shaker
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[01:23] <ulfr> oh Laurenceb_
[01:23] <ulfr> There's this swedish college that contacted me
[01:23] <ulfr> about a rocket project
[01:24] <ulfr> Ian_: I plan too.
[01:24] <Laurenceb_> ulfr: interesting
[01:24] <Ian_> Hopefully so too.
[01:24] <ulfr> Since I've been banned from entering the US ever again, I might as well go to Europe.
[01:24] <Laurenceb_> O_o
[01:24] <ulfr> My crime: I applied for 2 days extra in the US and I have a student loan.
[01:24] <Laurenceb_> dare I ask why?
[01:25] <Laurenceb_> wtf
[01:25] <Laurenceb_> I know people who have been to prison and still not banned from the country
[01:25] <ulfr> Some nations can't math.
[01:25] <ulfr> :(
[01:26] <Laurenceb_> I guess that was for crimes about 20 years ago, they are much stricter now
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[01:26] <ulfr> Yeah
[01:26] <Laurenceb_> anyway, what is the rocket thing?
[01:26] <ulfr> real crime, taking a student loan.
[01:26] <ulfr> Miniature V2
[01:26] <Laurenceb_> haha
[01:26] <ulfr> Launched from Iceland, developed in Sweden
[01:26] <Laurenceb_> seriously? liquid fuel? is there a site?
[01:26] <ulfr> it might need a *bit* of work
[01:26] <Ian_> Time for bed says Zebedi . . . They never cease to amaze me. They really deserve Trump
[01:26] <ulfr> yes
[01:27] <ulfr> and yes
[01:27] <Laurenceb_> nice
[01:27] <ulfr> We have a site, and flight permissions
[01:27] <ulfr> or we will have.
[01:27] <Laurenceb_> did you see my rocket talk? I'm still working on it, in fact I restarted work today
[01:27] <ulfr> At UKHAS? Yes.
[01:27] <ulfr> It's most interesting.
[01:27] <ulfr> That's why I thought of you
[01:27] <Laurenceb_> I was working on other random stuff, work projects and getting some published journal papers
[01:28] <Laurenceb_> but I'm back on it now
[01:28] <ulfr> Well, we all..
[01:28] <Laurenceb_> its changed a _lot_ since the talk
[01:28] <ulfr> We do have "life" after all.
[01:28] <Laurenceb_> heh
[01:28] <Laurenceb_> somewhere I have a gif
[01:28] <ulfr> Like now I manage /8 networks
[01:28] <ulfr> I didn't do that a year ago
[01:28] <ulfr> But I'm still launching rockets into the auroras!
[01:29] <ulfr> We now have Leica SL 601
[01:29] <ulfr> Actually 8 of them
[01:29] <ulfr> But only one gets to fly
[01:29] <ulfr> *dumdum*
[01:30] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/BB3kE3k.gifv
[01:31] <Laurenceb_> testing in my garden :D
[01:31] <ulfr> heh
[01:31] <ulfr> gotta use something
[01:33] <Laurenceb_> that was my plan until a while ago - a clip on spin motor, I managed to achieve high speed spin around the vertical axis
[01:41] <Laurenceb_> now I'm looking at nozzle vanes to add spin
[01:42] <Laurenceb_> like some of the military rockets, think type 63 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_63_multiple_rocket_launcher
[01:43] <Laurenceb_> https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/turkish-107mm.jpg <- finless with spun exhaust
[01:44] Action: Laurenceb_ zzz
[02:03] <ulfr> interesting
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[02:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HOTAIR - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HOTAIR
[03:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HOTAOR - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HOTAOR
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[06:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KG5LTH-1 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5LTH-1
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[06:29] <PE2BZ> !flights
[06:29] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03AJ2 UKHASnet Flight 10(7b77), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[06:30] <jcoxon> PE2BZ, the UKHASnet flight has been postponed until tomorrow
[06:31] <PE2BZ> jcoxon tnx for the update!
[06:31] <jcoxon> as ground winds today are 35km/h with gusts of 93km/h
[06:31] <jcoxon> while tomorrow they are 15km/h with gusts of 20km/h
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[06:43] <PE2BZ> That´s quite some wind...
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[06:46] <daveake> Far too much
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[06:47] <jcoxon> yeah, frustratingly its quite calm right now
[06:47] <jcoxon> but we've made the call now so its tomorrow
[06:48] <jcoxon> i'll ask again near the time but if anyone has a rtlsdr and wants to try out the ukhasnet software decoder then that would be great
[06:48] <jcoxon> especially if they are on the flight path :-)
[06:49] <lz1dev> .track 699nt
[06:49] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=699nt
[06:49] <lz1dev> .track 669nt
[06:49] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=669nt
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[07:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANU - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANU
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[07:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0MDB_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0MDB_chase
[07:40] <number10> Matts android decoder works well
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[08:24] <JonnyAlpha> Is the UKHASnet node from East Anglia launching today anyone? I am looking for something to track over the next week or so to confirm my radio / software setup for a HAB.
[08:25] <JonnyAlpha> Done ground testing (which has worked) but need to do some high altitude comms.
[08:29] <daveake> no, tomorrow
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[08:29] <daveake> Do you have a UKHASNet node to receive with ?
[08:31] <daveake> or just doing the rtty ?
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[08:35] <PE2BZ> Does anyone have a precompiled Windows version for the UKHASNet node ?
[08:36] <jcoxon> PE2BZ, for the rtl-sdr?
[08:36] <PE2BZ> indeed
[08:36] <jcoxon> mfa298 has been working on it
[08:36] <jcoxon> not sure if its completely sorted yet
[08:36] <jcoxon> ping mfa298
[08:37] <jcoxon> right off to get some batteries for payload...
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[08:44] <swaledale> !flights
[08:44] <SpacenearUS> 03swaledale: Current flights: 03AJ2 UKHASnet Flight 10(7b77), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
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[08:49] <mfa298> PE2BZ: I have indeed been working on it. There's a bit more I wanted to add today if I can, then I plan to put the details on the mailing list.
[08:49] <PE2BZ> mfa298 Thanks !
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[10:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS5LT-9_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS5LT-9_chase
[10:10] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: 6 shops to find energiser lithium AAs - is there a shortage? #ukhas #ukhasnet
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[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IRBE1LB1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IRBE1LB1
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[11:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SA6CCS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SA6CCS
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[12:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[14:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-THOR - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G-THOR
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[14:16] <DL7AD> ping Upu
[14:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0UUO-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0UUO-11
[14:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0FXH-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0FXH-1
[14:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AE0SS-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AE0SS-12
[14:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K0SCC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K0SCC-11
[14:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0BMV-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0BMV-11
[14:31] <DL7AD> has anybody ever tested the CAM-M8 modules?
[14:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7RQW-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7RQW-9
[14:34] <craag> DL7AD: Laurenceb_ was singing its praises earlier this week
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[14:40] <DL7AD> craag: okay.
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[14:41] <Peteris> Hello, can anyone accept our launch document, please? doc ID: 8153d24a069d3acda8c61afe95146d35
[14:42] <Peteris> we are planning to launch after ~1hour
[14:43] <adamgreig> you need to put it on the
[14:43] <adamgreig> #habhub channel
[14:44] <Peteris> ok, thanks for information
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[14:54] <PE2BZ> Peteris from where are you launching ?
[14:59] <x-f> PE2BZ, they are launching from Latvia
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[15:01] <PE2BZ> x-f thanks for info !
[15:02] <x-f> np
[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WO9N-7 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WO9N-7
[15:03] <x-f> the announced launch time was around 12pm, it is now 6pm, so it's a bit into ISH :)
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[15:08] <DL7AD> craag: is the CAM module software compatible to the MAX modules?
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[15:39] <Laurenceb_> DL7AD: I think so
[15:40] <Laurenceb_> it def works as a drop in replacement with my code :P
[15:41] <AndyEsser> Af'noon
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[15:50] <Upu> yes DL7AD
[15:50] <Upu> its just a MAX-M8Q with antenna and stuff
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[16:12] <DL7AD> Upu: yes. but this is the only guarantee that i will never have any hf-gps problems anymore. (hopefully)
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[16:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7TZN-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7TZN-1
[16:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7TZN-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7TZN-2
[16:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7TZN-3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7TZN-3
[16:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7TZN-4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7TZN-4
[16:56] <richardeoin> is there an archive of ssdv images from past flights please?
[16:57] <richardeoin> particularly daveake's flight from monday, but http://ssdv.habhub.org/PI868 only shows recent testing
[16:57] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/PI868/2016-05-16
[16:57] <richardeoin> nice, thanks
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[17:23] <AndyEsser> with something like the airpsy, or the RTLSDR - is it possible to get the data from it directly, rather than using something SDR#?
[17:24] <fsphil> gnuradio has modules for them, otherwise use their libraries directly
[17:25] <AndyEsser> ta
[17:27] <russss> depends what you mean by "data" though
[17:28] <AndyEsser> well what tends to the output from them, directly? just an amplitude over time at some step? (similar to reading a WAV file or something)
[17:29] <russss> no, it's a complex I/Q signal
[17:30] <russss> you probably want something like rtl_fm to demodulate it
[17:30] <AndyEsser> cheers
[17:31] <fsphil> http://greatscottgadgets.com/sdr/ -- worth watching these if you haven't seem them
[17:31] <AndyEsser> ta
[17:31] <AndyEsser> seen the odd one
[17:32] <fsphil> he does a pretty good job of explaining complex numbers
[17:32] <fsphil> which is what the I/Q is
[17:32] <russss> yeah Mike is great
[17:32] <russss> he will hopefully be at EMF
[17:32] <fsphil> ah nice
[17:32] <russss> he camped with us at CCC camp last year
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[17:34] <AndyEsser> cool
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[18:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0321 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[18:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[19:00] <AndyEsser> any n-type connector pros out there?
[19:01] <mattbrejza> pros just buy remade cables ;)
[19:02] <AndyEsser> ha
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[19:16] <AndyEsser> for the love of god
[19:17] Action: AndyEsser flips tables
[19:21] <mattbrejza> *premade rather
[19:22] <AndyEsser> yea I guessed
[19:22] <AndyEsser> is there somewhere specifically you can go and say RG213, n-type male, female sma?
[19:22] <AndyEsser> length x
[19:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7NVH-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7NVH-11
[19:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF7AQL - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF7AQL
[19:26] <mattbrejza> yes, but it aint gonna be cheap
[19:27] <mattbrejza> http://rf.samtec.com/
[19:27] <AndyEsser> cheers
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[19:27] <AndyEsser> this is doing my head - plug in the antenna, and the noise floor doesn't change
[19:28] <AndyEsser> suggesting I've buggered up the connections :(
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[19:31] <fsphil> have you tested it with a meter?
[19:31] <fsphil> either going to be a break or a short
[19:31] <AndyEsser> I tested it with a meter the first time and it was still buggered
[19:31] <AndyEsser> I'll need to unmount the antenna to test it again
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[19:39] <AndyEsser> no shorts
[19:39] <AndyEsser> shield to shield
[19:39] <AndyEsser> pin to pin
[19:39] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[19:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Have you got all the gains set right on the RTL SDR ?
[19:41] <AndyEsser> plugging in the shitty antenna the sdr came with also doesn't change the noise floor at all
[19:42] <AndyEsser> whacking RF gain up to full
[19:42] <AndyEsser> no antenna - noise floor at -45db
[19:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That's not a totalt test as its a rather small inefficent aerial
[19:42] <AndyEsser> shitty monopole -30db
[19:42] <AndyEsser> so that's movement at least
[19:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Can you see any FM radio stations in the 80-108 MHz band ?
[19:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> with any aerial connected!
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[19:44] <AndyEsser> no movement on noise floor with my cable + X50
[19:44] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-M: let check
[19:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its just a handy check, I assume you don't live in the Welsh valleys and likely to have a decent signal ;-)
[19:46] <AndyEsser> currently listening to some appalling dance music with my cable + X50
[19:46] <fsphil> nice
[19:46] <AndyEsser> :)
[19:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ypur not using and LNA or anything exta ?
[19:46] <AndyEsser> unplug antenna
[19:46] <AndyEsser> noise floor plummets
[19:46] <AndyEsser> lose shitty music
[19:46] <AndyEsser> ok... so...
[19:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right aerial and connector looks likemit works .
[19:46] <AndyEsser> indeed
[19:47] <AndyEsser> that makes me feel so much happier about forking out for the antenna and driving down to Walsall this morning
[19:47] <AndyEsser> and no, no LNA or anything
[19:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just trying to cpover all bases!
[19:48] <AndyEsser> FM is typically horizontal polarity?
[19:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No these days they tend to be 45 for mobile and home coverage
[19:48] <SM0ULC-Reb> if broadcat, yes
[19:48] <AndyEsser> gd gd
[19:48] <fsphil> the rtlsdr may be getting overloaded with something through the x50
[19:48] <AndyEsser> that explains why I get shitty dance music when the antenna is lying on the floor
[19:48] <AndyEsser> but holding it upright it all disappears :)
[19:49] <SM0ULC-Reb> AndyEsser: actually one station in sweden just changed to vertical fm
[19:49] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I'll play around tomorrow with the launch to see
[19:49] <AndyEsser> twiddle the nobs as it were
[19:49] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-M: cheers for the FM radio suggestion... I guess where I was tuned in... there was very very little noise anyway :)
[19:50] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9tOs96Vtgs
[19:50] <fsphil> try listening for some aircraft
[19:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No next step is find your local 70cms Repeater and to listen to that, you may have to wait fopr it to becon or someone to open it
[19:50] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I've tried listening to hawarden airport before
[19:50] <AndyEsser> or even just the ILS stuff from it
[19:51] <AndyEsser> tower is apparently 124.95
[19:51] <fsphil> you may also hear some fm chatter on 446.0 - 446.1 mhz
[19:51] <fsphil> where the little license-free handheld radios live
[19:51] <AndyEsser> ah yes, the PMR 446 stuff
[19:51] <fsphil> though it can be quiet depending on the area / time of day
[19:52] <AndyEsser> aicraft chatter is FM?
[19:52] <fsphil> AM
[19:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No its crappy AM
[19:53] <AndyEsser> nada from what I can hear
[19:53] <AndyEsser> I'll have to tune in quickly next time I see the Beluga
[19:55] <AndyEsser> ah... airport closed
[19:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Much better trying 2m or 70cms and havung a tune around
[19:56] <AndyEsser> yea, I'm on the freq for the local 70cm repeater
[19:56] <AndyEsser> what mode do they typically use?
[19:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> FM 12.5Khz bandwidth
[19:57] <fsphil> likely FM. a few are digital
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you may need to wait for 15 minutes for a beacon, also have you aligned the oscillator in the SDR to get a reasonable frequency accuracy ?
[19:59] <AndyEsser> Geoff-G8DHE-M: no - I've never had an accurate source to go by
[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Use the FM band stations as a starter
[19:59] <AndyEsser> repeaters ty[ically have input/output 600khz apart?
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but if you watch the wider view then you should see the station appear,
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> on "m 600Khz but on 70cms 1.6Mhz
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 2m 600Khz
[20:00] <AndyEsser> ya
[20:01] <AndyEsser> there's a signal close to the repeaters output (about 1MHz off)
[20:01] <AndyEsser> that 'burbs' exactly at the same time as there's a 'burp' about 600khz higher
[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No the inaccuracy will be about a few KHz that's all but it might be out of the passband a little
[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah on 2m ?
[20:02] <AndyEsser> ~433 (70cm?)
[20:02] <AndyEsser> 
[20:02] <AndyEsser> https://www.ukrepeater.net/70cm.htm
[20:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK well,if you just looking on the scan then the 1Mhz night be input if it only popped up breifly
[20:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> wHICH ONE ARE YOU LISTENING TOO ?
[20:03] <AndyEsser> the output freq
[20:03] <AndyEsser> 433.150
[20:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> They share frequencies .150 is Brghton but don;'t think your that close to me! Which callsign ?
[20:05] <AndyEsser> GB3CR
[20:05] <AndyEsser> sorry, didn't twig sending the lin kto the page wouldn't show the repeater I was looking at...
[20:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Are right Welsh one
[20:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> May ot have much activity then!
[20:06] <AndyEsser> indeed
[20:06] <AndyEsser> I'm being summoned back to shooting bad guys in the face
[20:06] <AndyEsser> shall see y'all in the morning for the ukhasnet launch I suspect
[20:06] <AndyEsser> feeling a bit more comfortable that I haven't completely b0kred this cable/connectors stuff
[20:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> In which case listen for a while and it will beacon in due course
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> But it will give you something in band to start with.
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> right AFK myself as well
[20:07] <AndyEsser> given the predicted flight path of the launch tomorrow - it should pretty much go directly over my house
[20:07] <AndyEsser> so that should help rule out and LOS/Horizon issues and in theory mean I'll get a pretty solid signal
[20:15] <fsphil> the antenna on the payload may have a null below it, if it goes directly overhead you may see the signal fade
[20:15] <AndyEsser> it's not perfectly overhead
[20:15] <AndyEsser> and realistically... how likely is it to match the prediction? :P
[20:15] <fsphil> it's happened :)
[20:15] <fsphil> not often
[20:16] <AndyEsser> especially given where it's predicted to burst
[20:16] <fsphil> leo managed to get one flying almost directly overhead here
[20:16] <fsphil> oh it shouldn't burst
[20:16] <AndyEsser> o it's a floater?
[20:16] <fsphil> yeah
[20:16] <AndyEsser> hence getting over to canand
[20:16] <AndyEsser> canada*
[20:16] <fsphil> these latex floaters tend to burst at sunrise the next day
[20:17] <AndyEsser> be a good flight path for when I want to launch my rockoon :P
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[21:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BRAX - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BRAX
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