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[04:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-7 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-7
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[04:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-9 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-9
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[06:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI
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[08:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034X4IF-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4X4IF-11
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[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS15 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS15
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[09:48] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ev-power.eu/LTO-technology/LTO1865-Rechargeable-Cell-2-4V-1300-mAh-Lithium-Titanate.html
[09:49] <Laurenceb_> this looks useful for floaters
[09:49] <Laurenceb_> a bit heavy but the battery tech looks suitable
[09:50] <Vaizki> hmmh I thought LTO is mostly for real fast charging applications
[09:51] <Vaizki> we have electric buses that have LTO batteries, they are charged while the bus stops at the end of the line for a few minutes
[09:51] <Laurenceb_> energy density is low, but prob good enough
[09:51] <Laurenceb_> but that cell is too heavy for a floater
[09:52] <Vaizki> the new electric buses.. "Fast charging with 200kW charging power for 3-7 minutes charging
[09:52] <Vaizki> "
[09:52] <Vaizki> that's a nice charger :)
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[09:55] <Vaizki> http://images.kauppalehti.fi/http://down0-80576-down0.dna.qbrick.com/80576-down0/thumbs/29/554449_cc92b5_large.jpg
[09:55] <Vaizki> novel charging connector.. I'm sure someone will get themselves killed despite all the obvious safety mechanisms
[10:05] <SM0ULC-Reb> :)
[10:09] <gonzo_> not sure I'd like to be anywhere hear the batts during that time
[10:10] <Vaizki> that's why they're LTO
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[10:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YEOTY4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YEOTY4
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[10:50] <Vaizki> SA6BSS-Mike, "Item has been registered. 10.05.2016 klo 10:28 HELSINKI"
[10:51] <Vaizki> Airspy Mini is in country.. so it'll take only a week to transfer it 12km from the airport to my home ;)
[10:52] <AndyEsser> :P
[10:53] <gonzo_> it's as bad in the UK
[10:53] <Vaizki> when I order stuff from the UK, it's usually 2-3 days to the airport and then it disappears for a couple of days and shows up in sorting somewhere and in my post office 3 days later
[10:54] <Vaizki> so it's a week minimum typically
[10:54] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Vaizki: nice! not arrived to swe yet, it says ints on its way since 7 of may
[10:54] <gonzo_> similar with .cn stuff. Days to get here, weeks to get delivered. Then months arguing over the import duty
[10:54] <Vaizki> yea mine was also scanned on May 7 to be leaving for Finland
[10:55] <Vaizki> oh our import duty stuff is at least VERY streamlined
[10:55] <Vaizki> it's still a 2-3 day delay but you can do it all online
[10:55] <prog> since it's less than $100, you shouldn't pay any duty fees
[10:55] <Vaizki> the limit is 10 eur here
[10:55] <prog> ew
[10:55] <Vaizki> our government likes their taxes...
[10:56] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[10:56] <Vaizki> and DHL + UPS went to shit here as well, both of them now charge a "release fee" of something like 40 euros if you want to do the customs declaration yourself
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> hopefylly it comes through customs here, usuly does, have orded 8" pads and stuf frpm far east never to stoed at customs,
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> only once got a packet throygh from the US
[10:58] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> without customs
[10:59] <gonzo_> being for educational use, ham stuff used to be zero rated. But buying things like generic PSU, the shipper usually wouldn't use the commodity code you gave them
[10:59] <gonzo_> (usually they couldn't understand/ignore the request)
[10:59] <Vaizki> UPS price list now says 19.25 eur + vat 24% if UPS does the customs work.. and 39.00 eur + vat 24% if you want to do it yourself
[10:59] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> most is no customs but standard 25% vat
[11:00] <Vaizki> I think 39 eur + vat is pretty stiff for allowing people to do customs declarations on the internet without help from UPS
[11:00] <gonzo_> vat 20% here. But it's not adding any value for me, just .gov
[11:00] <Vaizki> and DHL put in the same pricing at the same time
[11:00] <Vaizki> noooo price fixing here nooooo
[11:00] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> :)
[11:02] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> anyway, it will be fun to put it to work when it arrives !
[11:03] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> prog: u now if there is any more development on the ext-io ?
[11:03] <prog> we don't need extio
[11:04] <prog> so no dev
[11:04] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok, hdsdr work?
[11:04] <prog> it should work as is
[11:04] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok, did not know, cool
[11:04] <prog> it's already supported in sdr-console
[11:06] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> perfect, my main sdr monitoring program, will use it with a hamitup-3 and do some wspr and qrss work over 2 ham bands
[11:08] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> The race is on, which one, ubseds or w7qo first to the passific ocean, beta are up :)
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[11:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.portcanaveralwebcam.com/ - F9 about to lift off again
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[11:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[11:41] <fsphil> good start
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[12:06] <daveake> :)
[12:08] <mattbrejza> those chasecars show up in weird places
[12:10] <mfa298> should that be COFFEE_chase or possibly more worrying DRUGS_chase based on its location
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[12:22] <gonzo_> same thing
[12:37] <fsphil> a chaser has no name
[12:42] Nick change: number10_ -> number10
[12:44] <gonzo_> wonder if people just download these progs and run them blindly?
[12:48] <mattbrejza> i wonder if they were expecting it to do something completely unrelated
[12:53] <gonzo_> expect it to rise in to the air?
[12:54] <gonzo_> (you need to install the waterproof upgrade, before the lighter-than-air one)
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[14:01] <Ian__> fsphil, your [12:41], +1. Probably turning out to be an interesting and revealing session.
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[14:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> gqrx / gnu radio on wind http://www.rtl-sdr.com/gnu-radio-for-windows-decoding-atsc-hdtv-on-gnu-radio-for-windows/
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[15:07] <fsphil> euu
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[15:45] <jakeio> Right, I'm sitting here with a coat hangar and a long bit of RG174 coaxial cable, and I'm in need of a little help making my balloon. I'm working from this design: http://widerimage.co.uk/docs/Mountain_Yagi_434_4Element.pdf Will my one coat hangar be enough. When fully unwound it's about 1m across.
[15:48] <craag> no
[15:48] <craag> Add up the element lengths on the right
[15:49] <craag> and not that the 'vibrator' otherwise known as the driven element, is folded and so needs x2 the length of material
[15:50] <jakeio> Yes, I just spotted that myself, currently searching for another coat hangar!!
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[15:52] <fsphil> hah, vibrator
[15:52] <fsphil> never seen it called that
[15:54] <jakeio> So, the vibrator is literally just a loop of cable.
[15:54] <jakeio> Or whatever you're supposed to call it fsphil!
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[15:58] <fsphil> normally called the driven element
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[15:58] <Ian_> The driven element (vibrator is a translation artifact) is a length of conductor of nominally 608mm. Make it 620mm and trim when it's all bent into the correct dimensions).
[15:59] <fsphil> that on its own would be a folded dipole I believe
[16:00] <Ian_> In total you will need around 1525mm of wire. Best harvest another couple of coat hangers.
[16:00] <Ian_> Take the ones your dad uses for shirts and not his best suit :)
[16:02] <Ian_> Vibrator is not correct, but is well understood.
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[16:04] <Ian_> fsphil, looking for a heads up . . . dl-fldigi, the current windows .exe is there a practical problem with the rtty decoder or is that old info? Looking to read 300 Baud Thursday - maybe!
[16:05] <fsphil> I haven't tried the most recent version, but the last one tried had more errors when decoding the same recorded signal
[16:06] <Ian_> OK, thanks. I realise that there are a number of decoder versions littered about in the code, but wasn't sure. I worry a lot :)
[16:08] <Ian_> I guess the one definitive recording is used for regression and other testing to avoid the 'new ariel' effect.
[16:08] <jakeio> Can I just ask, do the CAA usually take ages to respond, still waiting on a response, from what I read on daveake's blog, I saw that they would take ages, but I'm just paranoid!
[16:08] <daveake> They don't respnd after x days, they respond at T-2 days
[16:10] <jakeio> Really!?
[16:10] <jakeio> That's just... Why!?
[16:10] <jakeio> Would they respond if there were something wrong?
[16:11] <Ian_> Brinkmanship. It saves them saying OK and then something else coming up and they have to rescind permissions already given - I guess. it's safer that way for them.
[16:11] <daveake> Dunno I've never had a problem :p
[16:11] <jakeio> Fair enough.
[16:12] <fsphil> I've had them respond T+2 days
[16:12] <daveake> I think it is a priority thing - they don't want to issue a balloon notam and then not be able to issue a notam for something important
[16:12] <Ian_> fsphil, I guess you stopped buying lottery tickets a long time ago!
[16:12] <daveake> I've only ever had one refused once, and that was during a nearby airshow.
[16:13] <daveake> Another time (same airshow another year) I got one outside the airshow's notam period
[16:13] <daveake> which suited as I wanted to do a sunset launch
[16:13] <fsphil> yeah I've never been denied one, they're just sometimes too late to process it
[16:15] <daveake> I did call them once to ask if it was worth me putting in an application for a launch from Jodrell Bank, which you may know is a few miles from Manchester airport. "That would be difficult" :)
[16:16] <daveake> I suspect that having a radio transmitter there would also be an issue :)
[16:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BlueDot after 039 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BlueDot
[16:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[16:22] <daveake> CALLSIGN123_chase does get around
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[16:22] <mattbrejza> !whereis CALLSIGN123_chase
[16:22] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03CALLSIGN123_chase is near 03Dora Refinery, Baghdad, Iraq 10(33.2543,44.42388) at 030 meters
[16:23] <daveake> Baghdad
[16:23] <mattbrejza> too slow daveake ;)
[16:23] <daveake> I know :/
[16:23] <mattbrejza> that chasecar gets around
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[16:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> Who is coordinating the 23 balloons launch?
[16:54] <mfa298> Ian_: I think the windows version of dl-fldigi that's on the website is the older version with decent decoder. Compiling the windows versions is a "fun" task.
[16:54] <mfa298> the people that generally have issues with different versions are the linux users who get the latest version and compile it assuming it's the best
[16:54] <mattbrejza> oh, is that this week?
[16:55] <SA6BSS-Mike> usuly when its critical I run two versions of dl fldig , one hab vaersion and one regualar, latest version
[16:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> there is defenatley some differences in decoding capability
[16:56] <Ian_> Many thanks mfa298
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[16:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SR0FLY-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SR0FLY-11
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[17:05] <fsphil> SA6BSS-Mike: better or worse in the latest version?
[17:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> latest fldigi is better then hab version
[17:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> in rtty
[17:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have run both and listend in on web sdr and the non hab version have more suscessfull decodings
[17:12] <fsphil> oh interesting
[17:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHIMP01 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHIMP01
[17:24] <mfa298> I think a few people had tried the latest merge of fldigi into dl-fldigi and suggeted it was better than the previous attempt. Not sure if anyone did much testing vs the current stable one.
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[17:43] <dbrooke> Last weekend, when I didn't need all the radios tuned to different balloons, I spent a bit of time comparing my standard setup (DL3.1 with alsa audio from IC-R7000) and airspy/gqrx with UDP stream to DL3.1-1033-g1196c2e
[17:45] <dbrooke> performance seemed similar, sometimes one would miss a string and sometimes the other
[17:46] <dbrooke> same antenna, habamp and then a horrible mismatch of t-pieces to feed 4 devices
[17:47] <dbrooke> I never got pulseaudio to work so needed the newer dl-fldigi for the UDP support
[17:48] <fsphil> yeah the UDP support is really nice
[17:48] <dbrooke> so, somewhat subjective, but definitely not the noticeably poor performance which some have reported
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[17:50] <dbrooke> now all gqrx needs is multiple 'tuners' each feeding a different UDP port
[17:50] <dbrooke> not expecting it in time for the 23 balloons
[17:51] <dbrooke> nor the 24 core CPU
[17:52] <jakeio> Damnit, soldering onto the coat hangars is hard, any tips?
[17:55] <fsphil> you're going to need a lot of heat
[17:56] <fsphil> make sure the bit you're soldering to is very clean
[17:56] <fsphil> it might have something coating it
[17:56] <fsphil> (there's a pun in there somewhere)
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[17:59] <daveake> maybe it needs something to coat it
[18:00] <jakeio> ...
[18:00] <jakeio> That was just upsetting daveake.
[18:00] <jakeio> If that was a pun.
[18:00] <jakeio> Otherwise, I see puns.
[18:00] <jakeio> And there are no puns.
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[18:02] <fsphil> don't keep us hanging
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[18:04] <jakeio> :|
[18:04] <russss> if it's in this channel and it looks like a pun, it probably is
[18:04] <jakeio> Thanks for the advice russss :)
[18:04] <russss> lots of additional flux will help you, if you have some
[18:04] <russss> a flux pen is always a handy thing
[18:05] <russss> you can never have too much flux
[18:05] <fsphil> well
[18:05] <fsphil> nearly
[18:05] <russss> if you have too much flux then that is still a better problem than too little
[18:06] <fsphil> it is quite magical when working with solder
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[18:29] <jakeio> Earlier, I took that advice, then I spilled solder on my skin. Ouch.
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[18:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YEOTY4 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YEOTY4
[18:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI
[18:36] <Ian_> Of course, a lot of metal coat hangers, most in fact, are probably made from aluminium . . . a bit of a specialist thing for soldering. Clearly beyond you and I both :)
[18:37] <Ian_> So maybe a bit of playing with the bits from a chocolate block connector jakeio.
[18:38] <jakeio> I've done it now!
[18:41] <jakeio> It was steel so I just had to heat things up.
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[19:06] <Ian_> That's good, well done.
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[19:28] <fsphil> he got very hung up on our bad puns
[19:34] <mfa298> you could say he gave us the cold shoulder
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[19:54] <Ian_> I hadn't thought about using an iron based wire for antenna construction, but i guess that you use what you have . . .
[19:56] <mfa298> I considered using coat hangers once, then decided it was more hassle than it was worth and I had various other suitable scraps that are easier to work with
[19:57] <gonzo_> I made a 3ele yagi for 2mtrs, from coat hangeers
[19:57] <Ian_> Aluminium ones?
[19:57] <gonzo_> needed one and that was all that was at hand
[19:57] <gonzo_> supprisingly it worked
[19:57] <gonzo_> steel
[19:58] <Ian_> Just not optimal, but a darned sight better than nowt
[19:58] <mfa298> I realised recently that antenna building might be a decent use for the various bits of "Low Loss" TV coax I've got, remove the plastic bits and 90% air braid and there's a decent piece of copper in the middle
[19:58] <gonzo_> needed it get to a repeater and also null out a pager tx 100yds away
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