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[02:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS15 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS15
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[05:23] <jeans> I'm trying to help track down a balloon a friend of mine launched today on which the GPS failed. The CUSF landing predictor doesn't appear to work for past dates. Is there anything similar that would work for predicting a landing site from a past launch?
[05:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-7 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-7
[05:32] <x-f> try http://astra-planner.soton.ac.uk/
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[05:33] <x-f> it gives several landing sites though and i don't know why
[05:34] <x-f> and it doesn't let you input the launch site altitude sadly, so no option to use it from the last known data point :/
[05:35] <x-f> habhub prediction usually works for one or two hours in the past, did you try that?
[05:35] <x-f> predictor*
[05:39] <lz1dev> jeans: i dont you can find base on a prediction alone
[05:39] <jeans> The launch was at 1153Z
[05:40] <jeans> (8th May)
[05:40] <jeans> Er, 7th)
[05:41] <jeans> I tried putting that in as the launch time, but it said the server rejected it because it was in the past
[05:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-9 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-9
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[06:41] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> jeans: try this http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajtype.pl
[06:42] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> use gfs 192h
[06:42] <jeans> SA6BSS-Mike|2: Thanks, My friend has gone to bed, and I don't have all of the information about his balloon. I'll let him know in the morning
[06:43] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok
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[06:58] <db1jj> w7qo is flying nearly over me
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[07:09] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:09] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03LeMi2 10(ab72), 03RUSSELL 10(ae9a), 03Hermes II (v2) 10(48a4), 03XABEN-96 10(c461), 03FANHAB1 10(6ee6), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
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[08:47] <daveake> jeans Did this GPS fail at launch, or shortly before the balloon landed, or somewhere between ?
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[09:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FANHAB1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FANHAB1
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[09:25] <mfa298> I wonder if that was gps failed or gsm failed (I'm making assumptions about the type of tracker)
[09:27] <PE2BZ> Does anyone know the APRS frequency of W7QO ?
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[09:34] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> its on 144.8
[09:35] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> and wspr 20m
[09:35] <PE2BZ> thanks Mike !
[09:38] <PE2BZ> Elsworth stream has started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYqRdCHUIfw
[09:45] <daveake> mfa298: Indeed, I suspect the same
[09:48] <fsphil> nice day in elsworth
[09:49] <fsphil> guess steve got some of the ariss microphones
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[10:11] <Martin_G4FUI> does me good to see so many youngsters involved ... (the Elsworth OB, that is ...)
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[10:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
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[10:42] <Chimpusmaximus> Fanhab1 is nice and toasty inside
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[10:46] <daveake> It's a Pi
[10:48] <Martin_G4FUI> It's a very nice OB!
[10:48] <Martin_G4FUI> ... it has a "Time Team" look about it!
[10:54] <daveake> wtf glider
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[10:55] <Martin_G4FUI> Microlight - according to an old ex-RAF chum of mine, there are only two types of A/C: Fighters and Targets ...
[10:57] <daveake> No, there was a glider later, just after the fanhab launch
[10:57] <daveake> balloon and glider in shot at the same time
[10:57] <Martin_G4FUI> "target" nevertheless! :)
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[10:58] <Martin_G4FUI> Do VFR regulations require one to look out for HAB launches?
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[11:01] <db1jj> is the elsworth bolloon on habhub?
[11:07] <daveake> yes FANHAB1
[11:07] <daveake> More to come
[11:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03m0nty_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=m0nty_chase
[11:13] <Martin_G4FUI> !DIAL FANHAB1
[11:14] <g8fjg> 434,124500
[11:16] <Martin_G4FUI> ta - just waiting for it to poke its head out of the noise here ...
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03v_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=v_chase
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[11:22] <PE2BZ> X0 is in the air with LoRa Ch1: $$X0,298,11:20:56,52.38590,-0.22740,8505,8,3,2.92,00*5F9B
[11:22] <PE2G> !flights
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03LeMi2 10(ab72), 03RUSSELL 10(ae9a), 03Hermes II (v2) 10(48a4), 03XABEN-96 10(c461), 03FANHAB1 10(6ee6), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
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[11:23] <PE2G> !dial c461
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03X0 10(c461): 03434.40529 MHz, 4.40605 MHz, 434.40524 MHz, 434.40516 MHz, 434.40521 MHz
[11:23] <PE2G> !dial 6ee6
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03FANHAB1 10(6ee6): 03434.124452 MHz, 434.249 MHz, 434.124 MHz, 434.123 MHz, 434.124358 MHz, 434.1245 MHz
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[11:24] <g8fjg> Ben what S/n do you have for XO ?
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[11:24] <PE2BZ> Packet SNR = -7, RSSI = -123
[11:25] <g8fjg> ok snr 11 here rssi -96
[11:25] <PE2BZ> X0 is on frequency, RTTY is reversed
[11:26] <PE2BZ> g8fjg good signals !
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[11:26] <g8fjg> I'm only 105 km ..what freq do you so for XO lora
[11:27] <g8fjg> show
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Glebe2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Glebe2_chase
[11:28] <PE2BZ> Channel 1 434.4050MHz
[11:28] <PE2BZ> / Freq. Error = 3.3kHz
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[11:30] <g8fjg> I show 434.4119Mhz . I dont know how to calibrate my rx ,,if at all possible
[11:30] <PE2BZ> in the greens for X0 rtty on the vertical logper also. And the LoRa is on the Diamond V-2000
[11:31] <PE2BZ> your lora gateway shows Channel 1 434.4119 MHz ?
[11:31] <g8fjg> yes
[11:31] <PE2BZ> Did you set that in the gateway.txt yourself ?
[11:32] <g8fjg> I set it high to 434.407 because the last 2 flights have been high ...according to my rx :-)
[11:33] <g8fjg> the first decode set it to 434, 411ish
[11:34] <PE2BZ> g8fjg frequency_1=434.405
[11:34] <PE2BZ> DIO0_1=27
[11:34] <PE2BZ> DIO5_1=26
[11:34] <PE2BZ> AFC_1=Y
[11:34] <PE2BZ> MODE_1=0
[11:35] <PE2BZ> but the frequency does not change, it only shows a Freq. Error ( 2.9 kHz) does yours adjust the channel 1 frequency by itself ?
[11:35] <g8fjg> yep that looks the same except 434.407 initially
[11:36] <g8fjg> yes , tells me the error, and over a certain delta f adjusts
[11:37] <daveake> Exactly
[11:37] <daveake> Enable with AFC_n=Y, and it will then show "AFC" on screen
[11:37] <g8fjg> i was0.3khz low that decode , but didn't retune
[11:37] <daveake> Any error > a minimum and it will retune
[11:37] <daveake> 500Hz iirc
[11:37] <daveake> I didn't write that bit
[11:38] <g8fjg> thanks Dave ,
[11:38] <PE2BZ> Hello Dave.
[11:39] <PE2BZ> ron, my AFC_1=Y but there is no AFC shown on my screen.
[11:39] <dbrooke> yes 500Hz, I keep meaning to make it proportional to the mode bandwidth but haven't had time to test
[11:39] <daveake> yeah that would be good
[11:40] <g8fjg> Ben above current RSSI /below packet SNR
[11:40] <dbrooke> PE2BZ: press F to toggle AFC
[11:40] <PE2BZ> dbrooke Excellent !
[11:41] <daveake> And check your config - that line should definitely work
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[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RUSSELL - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RUSSELL
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[11:42] Action: PE2BZ is afk. It´s my Habby birthday and family is running in....
[11:43] <Martin_G4FUI> Happy Birthday PE2BZ!
[11:43] Action: PE2BZ no family yet. Neighbour children taking my children out
[11:43] <PE2BZ> Thanks Martin !
[11:43] <DL7AD1> PE2BZ: happy birthday :)
[11:44] <DL7AD1> good afternoon btw
[11:44] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[11:44] <PE2BZ> DL7AD Danke !
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[11:57] <PE2G> FANHAB1 SSDV at 464 km: http://s32.postimg.org/zb30jrqx1/FANHAB_08_05_16_13_53_53.png
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[12:22] <g8fjg> strange messages from FANHAB ...Free SD space = 3417.9MB
[12:22] <daveake> it's rebooting
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[12:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi All
[12:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> Vaisala RS41 radiosonde does... SSDV ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfugrVBCA98
[12:29] <dbrooke> daveake: was wondering what was going on, noticed it was transmitting a carrier on .650 when not on correct freq http://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-A93uLn.png
[12:29] <daveake> I wonder how old the batteries are
[12:31] <daveake> Also -16.9C is a bit cold for inside a Pi payload
[12:34] <PE2G> !dial ae9a
[12:34] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03RUSSELL 10(ae9a): 03434.249 MHz, 434.250652 MHz, 434.250949 MHz, 434.250808 MHz
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03E3SPCE - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E3SPCE
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[12:57] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> SP9UOB-Tom: thats cool!! :)
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[13:11] <Darkside> SP9UOB-Tom: niiiiiiicce! cant wait until they start sending those up here...
[13:11] <Darkside> looks like they are very hackable
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[13:27] <Laurenceb_> what the heck
[13:27] <Laurenceb_> what processor does it use?
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[14:16] <fsphil> hah, nice
[14:16] <fsphil> serial jpeg camera
[14:18] <fsphil> love the camera mount
[14:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> and .. .ready to launch: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/vaisala_ssdv.jpg
[14:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: camera has uart issues, i have to find better camera :-)
[14:19] <fsphil> yes I found that too with the linksprite
[14:20] <fsphil> it was unreliable
[14:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: but it is transmitting images from my backyard ;-)
[14:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> now :-)
[14:28] <karol93> Hi ! :) anyone of you sent GoPro camera with the balloon ? :)
[14:30] <karol93> i am also looking for some cheaper radio reciever..... these suggested are too expensive....
[14:30] <karol93> any suggestions ? ;)
[14:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb_: STM32f100
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> nice
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> did you write custom firmware?
[14:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> Darkside: it has uBlox gps module, I have launched it a week ago - no issues :-)
[14:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb_: yes I did
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> very cool, what radio does it have?
[14:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> Darkside: now Im working on sensors reading (pressure, humidity, temperature)
[14:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> Darkside: and... its all FOR FREE :-) Beleive me or not, thats just falling from the skies ;-)
[14:39] <Laurenceb_> SP9UOB: will you be releasing the source code?
[14:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb_: propably yes, I have lots of work to do before releasing it.
[14:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> Darkside: here is RTTY tracker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwfPR5c3YUA
[14:42] <Chimpusmaximus> karol93: i sent gopro hero 4 black up last year.
[14:45] <karol93> how height did it go ? :) any problem with humidity inside case ?
[14:46] <Chimpusmaximus> I got i got about 114k feet and did not use the case
[14:46] <karol93> i am also interested - did anyone try to stabilise the payload ? try not to rotate it ?
[14:47] <karol93> the lens was pointed outside of the payload, or it was behind some kind of glass, to keep warm ?
[14:47] <Chimpusmaximus> http://habfe.blogspot.co.uk/ has some details on my payload etc
[14:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> karol93: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czQSrYfvuyE
[14:47] <daveake> I've used a Hero 4 silver and that was fine. No case. Did use the Backpac battery.
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[14:50] <Chimpusmaximus> I came across heat issues on 2.7k res and above. I used the heat sink from the case and also one on back to help it run.
[14:51] <Chimpusmaximus> With the gopro and also mobius, heat was the issue rather than keeping it warm
[14:52] <karol93> i get it, i am looking at your photos right now :)
[14:54] <karol93> and with a 2-3h of ascending, did you get a material from whole flight on GoPro ?
[14:54] <karol93> it is 1h for 4K and not much better for 2.7K
[14:59] <Chimpusmaximus> Yes whole flight was not a problem but i ran it from a 18650 battery pack i made up to provide 5v and decent current.
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[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2HEQ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2HEQ-11
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[16:20] <Chimpusmaximus> RocketBoy: You find X0?
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[16:40] <arjunnaha> Would the CAA get iffy with a launch window of a month?
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[16:49] <mfa298> arjunnaha: if they don't you might get annoyed by the early morning phone calls from pilots seeing if your flyign today.
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[16:50] <arjunnaha> mfa298: Personal experience?
[16:51] <mfa298> based on what many others have said
[16:51] <arjunnaha> Ah
[16:53] <Laurenceb_> UBSEDS15 over a band of thunderstorms, hope it holds up
[16:54] <daveake> arjunnaha: A month isn't good for anyone
[16:54] <daveake> Just choose a date/weekend, and change the date(s) later on if needed
[16:55] <arjunnaha> Will do
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[17:08] <Chimpusmaximus> X0 and FANHAB1 recovered by Steve
[17:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2ANQ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2ANQ-11
[17:20] <PE2BZ> Chimpusmaximus great to hear !
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[17:22] <jmpetro> When you guys launch balloons do you rely solely on aprs for tracking or do you have backup tracking systems?
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[17:23] <mfa298> jmpetro: a lot of people here are UK based meaning we can't use APRS (license doesn't allow airborne use) so we use a radio system based on licese free radios and rtty
[17:24] <mfa298> which in some ways is better than aprs (can send constant updates) but does rely on other interested people listening
[17:26] <jmpetro> Ive been looking into launching a balloon. Im in the US, and I was thinking about using APRS just because there are a lot of digipeaters, do you think this would be a reliable way of tracking my balloon?
[17:27] <mfa298> I think that's what most US people use, some have added in the UK rtty based system as an extra
[17:28] <fsphil> just make sure you yourself have equipment to receive and decode aprs packets from your flight
[17:28] <edmoore> it's reliable, yes, but reliable is just an adjective rather than a number so really it's up to you to judge how much you want it back and design accordingly. Probably 95% of the flights we hear about have no problems with aprs. Some through in a GSm or satellite tracker as a backup
[17:29] <edmoore> a number of other factors affect reliability (by which I mean how easy it is to recover)
[17:30] <edmoore> mostly down to construction quality - for example some people just put some AA batteries into an AA battery holder and fly that, and then when it lands, which is usually quite hard, some of the batteries pop out and it turns off, making it very difficult to locate
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[17:40] <arjunnaha> What's the new CAA email (or should I email it directly to DM?)
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[18:04] <daveake> AROps@caa.co.uk
[18:05] <Chimpusmaximus> no current sign of russell
[18:09] <PE2BZ> daveake Hi, I found why AFC was not enabled. I had overseen a AFC_1=N line between the settings of device _0 and after removing this the AFC works on a restart.
[18:09] <daveake> aha
[18:10] <daveake> yeah it'll use the first matching line it finds
[18:10] <PE2BZ> so read before write is also applied to me ;-)
[18:10] <daveake> :)
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[18:28] <jmpetro> thanks for the help edmoore
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[19:50] <pb0ahx> !flights
[19:50] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03LeMi2 10(ab72), 03RUSSELL 10(ae9a), 03Hermes II (v2) 10(48a4), 03XABEN-96 10(c461), 03FANHAB1 10(6ee6), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[19:51] <pb0ahx> now somebody the frequentie of W7Qo-9 ??
[19:52] <mfa298> I'd guess it's APRS so try the usual suspects
[19:53] <pb0ahx> i can not find him on the usual frequenties here
[19:55] <x-f> it transmits only in daylight - solar only
[19:56] <pb0ahx> ok tnx info
[19:58] <thasti> what kind of envelope does it use? something commercially available or homemade?
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[20:02] <richardeoin> thasti: the evelope for W7QO's current flight is one of these http://www.scientificballoonsolutions.com/products/
[20:02] <richardeoin> second one on that list I think
[20:04] <thasti> very interesting! did not know of these
[20:04] <thasti> are they self-sealing?
[20:06] <x-f> and this is the payload i believe - https://twitter.com/akadamson/status/718263868598960134
[20:07] <richardeoin> it's just that k6rpt has started selling some of the envelopes he used - see https://twitter.com/k6rpt etc
[20:07] <thasti> neat work
[20:07] <richardeoin> presumably they're heat sealed, the inner layer is probably PE to make that easy
[20:08] <richardeoin> but afaik they haven't released any more details than on that page
[20:09] <thasti> okay
[20:10] <thasti> any information on the antenna used for wspr?
[20:11] <richardeoin> long wire :p
[20:11] <edmoore> a prayer and a wspr
[20:11] <thasti> really?
[20:12] <thasti> hmh, space might not be the limiting factor here :p
[20:12] <richardeoin> "36ga magnet wire antenna" https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/qrplabs/conversations/messages/10248
[20:13] <richardeoin> yeah not sure if the CAA would approve of the long wire
[20:13] <richardeoin> very much increases your chances of hitting overhead wires / pylons etc
[20:14] <fsphil> the ISM ranges in the HF bands are not great
[20:14] <fsphil> though I don't believe anyone's tried wspr on them
[20:14] <Laurenceb_> wow someone turned Leos envelope design into a company
[20:14] <Laurenceb_> thats IP theft :P
[20:14] <thasti> possibly leo sells them now? :p
[20:14] <richardeoin> K6RPT did :p
[20:16] <richardeoin> fsphil: you'd probably want to stick to the amateur allocations anyhow
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> price is ok considering how tricky it is to make them
[20:18] <richardeoin> mmm yes they're pretty reasonable
[20:19] <richardeoin> I don't think you're going to get much science done with a 15g payload though
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> I don't know, I was thinking of audio monitoring, hard to do from a satellite
[20:20] <thasti> they only said the ballon solutions were scientific :p
[20:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCOOBY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCOOBY
[20:23] <richardeoin> Laurenceb_: Wouldn't download b/w be quite restrictive? Especially if you don't know quite what you're looking for
[20:24] <richardeoin> also what would be the purpose of audio monitoring?
[20:24] <Laurenceb_> well you could process onboard, I was thinking of a DAMAS array for mapping sound pollution
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> http://asomb.larc.nasa.gov/directory/sdarticle%282%29.pdf
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[20:48] <chrisg7ogx> hello, is there anything up and transmitting please?
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[20:55] <edmoore> chrisg7ogx: long time! unsure if this fancy feature existed last time you were here but there is now this:
[20:55] <edmoore> !flights
[20:55] <SpacenearUS> 03edmoore: Current flights: 03LeMi2 10(ab72), 03RUSSELL 10(ae9a), 03Hermes II (v2) 10(48a4), 03XABEN-96 10(c461), 03FANHAB1 10(6ee6), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812)
[20:55] <edmoore> or if you stand perfectly still for three minutes, pb0ahx will emerge and say it
[20:56] <chrisg7ogx> cheers edmoore found a higher QTH but further away from most of the action
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[21:05] <SM0ULC-Reb> thasti: 20m dipole
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[21:05] <SM0ULC-Reb> thasti: or.. a dipole for 20m...
[21:06] <thasti> okay, 10m span seems acceptable and 1.2g weight sounds okay with 36ga wire
[21:06] <thasti> thanks!
[21:07] <mfa298> there's those that would disgree with long antennas on ballons being a good thing.
[21:08] <thasti> yes ..
[21:08] <mfa298> long wires gettign drapped over high voltage power lines might not be particularly good (major power outages and large fires if you're unlucky)
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[21:08] <mfa298> and powerlines (along with lakes and trees) seem to draw habs towards them
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[22:05] <gonzo_m> I doubt that a woire would last long draped across power lines. But hanging off one is a serious hazard
[22:21] <adamgreig> the problem is that it might not last but the plasma arc that results can last quite some time
[22:22] <mfa298> and in some parts of the world plasma / flying sparks may not be particularly welcome (probably less of an issue in a traditional UK summer).
[22:22] <adamgreig> plus it still results in power cuts
[22:22] <adamgreig> generally you won't be in anyone's good books
[22:32] <mfa298> I think it's one of those where likelyhood low-medium, outcome bad, very bad. on a risk assesment form.
[22:33] <adamgreig> "requires mitigation"
[22:33] <adamgreig> "mitigation: use shorter antennas"
[22:33] <mfa298> exactly :)
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[22:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM6AOX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM6AOX-11
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