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[01:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ
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[03:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS15 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS15
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[07:03] <BKO-Team> hey
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[07:10] <BKO-Team> Good morning. Here is team BKO-Ostvest. We are about to start our weather balloon. Lift of will be in about 10-15 minutes
[07:15] <x-f> good morning, have a nice flight and easy recovery!
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[07:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> freq and expected alt?
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[07:24] <BKO-Team> Thank you
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[07:28] <BKO-Team> Our expected burst alt is 30 000 meters and our ascent rate is 5 m/s
[07:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> and freq?
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[07:31] <BKO-Team> Our freq is 434.545.150
[07:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> tnx
[07:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BK-Ostvest1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BK-Ostvest1
[07:37] <BKO-Team> thank you
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[07:49] <gonzo_> acurate to 1Hz !
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[07:58] <pb0ahx__> !flights
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[07:58] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx__: Current flights: 03RS41 test 10(033e), 03BK-Ostvest1 10(d194), 03PICO-24 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(d447), 03LeMi2 10(ab72)
[07:59] <pb0ahx__> !dial d194
[07:59] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx__: Latest dials for 03BK-Ostvest1 10(d194): none
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[07:59] <pb0ahx__> BKO-Team, i hrd notting here ??
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[08:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-9 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-9
[08:01] <pb0ahx__> a i found him
[08:02] <pb0ahx__> $$BK-Ostvest1,298,51.8092l7.5404,10803,4409,F0*DA30
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[08:07] <pb0ahx__> only red lines here
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[08:16] <BKO-Team> ?
[08:18] <pb0ahx__> BKO-Team, i writing him but very very weakly signaal
[08:23] <BKO-Team> oh ok we saw it
[08:25] <pb0ahx__> and a lot of qrm on that frequentie here
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[08:50] <pb0ahx__> no tx more
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[09:03] <BKO-Team> We lost the signal to our balloon. Does anyone have a signal?
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[09:09] <fsphil> see pb0ahx__'s comment above
[09:10] <pb0ahx__> BKO-Team, i lost the signaal also here
[09:11] <pb0ahx__> ok i go tracking satellites now
[09:12] <fsphil> W7QO's doing laps around the atlantic
[09:17] <BKO-Team> we think our balloon burst too early and the box with the electrics got open somehow
[09:18] <Vaizki> in the air?
[09:19] <BKO-Team> yes
[09:20] <fsphil> or something got disconnected
[09:21] <BKO-Team> we dont even have a signal with our seperate GPS tracker
[09:21] <daveake> those don't often work anyway, and certainly not at altitude
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[09:34] <Vaizki> what is the separate GPS tracker?
[09:34] <Vaizki> a SPOT or a GSM thingy?
[09:38] <BKO-Team> its a teksta mini,it give you the coordinates by call
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[09:40] <mfa298> if that's using the mobile phone networks dont expect it to work above 2km (and probably lower than that) or when it's landed in a ditch
[09:40] <Vaizki> well the mobile phone base stations antennas point down, not up
[09:42] <fsphil> hopefully you get a signal from it before it lands
[09:42] <fsphil> there's a brief window of opportunity as it falls below ~4km and hits the ground :)
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[09:43] <BKO-Team> we have 2 teams looking for it around the last coordinates
[09:43] <Vaizki> no there's not.. it won't even register on the network with that kind of doppler shift
[09:43] <Vaizki> same reason why there is a special version of GSM for railway operations (GSM-R)
[09:44] <Vaizki> it just doesn't work at high speed
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[09:44] <Vaizki> oh ok well if it's on a chute then you might catch it :)
[09:45] <mfa298> you may want to also search towards the predicted landing point
[09:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-rs41 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-rs41
[09:49] <SM0ULC-Reb> Vaizki: should be able to register when below 450 km/h :)
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[09:50] <SM0ULC-Reb> BKO-Team: the last coords from 28km up?
[09:50] <daveake> Yeah hopefully the falling payload < railway train speeds :/
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[09:51] <daveake> They have been known to tx co-ords in the air, on the way down, but not often
[09:51] <chrisg7ogx> long time no see!
[09:52] <chrisg7ogx> could someone tell me what to do with a runtime error message i get everytime i use DLFLDIGI please?
[09:52] <SM0ULC-Reb> daveake: had any ideas of doing a stand alone trackingstation with the pi for rtty?
[09:52] <fsphil> post more information about it? :)
[09:52] <daveake> delete config folder and try again
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[09:52] <chrisg7ogx> http 403
[09:53] <daveake> ok cancel my response then :)
[09:53] <fsphil> you're getting an http run-time error? that's new
[09:53] <chrisg7ogx> lol
[09:53] <daveake> SM0ULC-Reb: No ... not that interested in rtty these days :/
[09:53] <daveake> I think a couple of others have had dl-fldigi runnin on the Pi 3
[09:53] <chrisg7ogx> op configure completed
[09:54] <daveake> Or port Matt's Android tracker - that'd be a better idea I think
[09:54] <SM0ULC-Reb> daveake: ah, have played with rtl_tcp => csdr => minimodem, seems to work pretty ok
[09:55] <craag> Matt has a standalone java rtty modem, if you can get a jvm then it'll run.
[09:55] <SM0ULC-Reb> i was thinking of a device scans fqs and try to decode rtty autonomously
[09:56] <SM0ULC-Reb> like rckskimmer
[09:56] <mfa298> Matts decoder can run on a pi and managed to decode a strong signal quite happily on a pi1
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[09:59] <SM0ULC-Reb> mfa298: nice, automatic scanning within the sideband?
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[10:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-12
[10:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AGH Space _chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AGH%20Space%20_chase
[10:19] <michal_f> !flights
[10:19] <SpacenearUS> 03michal_f: Current flights: 03RS41 test 10(033e), 03BK-Ostvest1 10(d194), 03PICO-24 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(d447), 03LeMi2 10(ab72)
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[11:04] <Bko-Team> we have found the balloon
[11:05] <craag> well done :D
[11:05] <craag> any clues on the fault?
[11:06] <Bko-Team> We are not a hundred percent sure, yet we are thinking of a signal lost because the signal strenght wasnt high enough
[11:06] <craag> ok, well you recovered it, that's the main goal :)
[11:06] <craag> to the pub to look at the pics then ;)
[11:07] <Bko-Team> strangely enough, it only went about 3 kilometers apart from our calculated destination
[11:07] <Bko-Team> Our drivin teams are now on the way back to us and we are happily looking forward to see the date/pictures
[11:08] <Bko-Team> Thank you for all your kind support.
[11:10] <gonzo_> overfill, or damaged the balloon whilst filling/
[11:12] <gonzo_> if using a pre-made tx module, low signal is going to be an antenna or coax fault
[11:13] <gonzo_> (can the power output of the rfm or new ntx be controled in sw?)
[11:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5TDW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5TDW_chase
[11:16] <fsphil> Bko-Team: how did you find it? (text sms / radio?)
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[11:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> !dial SP9UOB-rs41
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: Latest dials for 03SP9UOB-vaisala-rs41 10(033e): 039 MHz, 10 MHz, 432.21042 MHz, 437.665 MHz, 437.655 MHz, 0.111 MHz, 1000.436405 MHz, 437.666099 MHz, 144.42851 MHz, 50.62 MHz, 437.65 MHz, 18.1 MHz
[11:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> nice! :)
[11:18] <fsphil> plenty of choice
[11:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> its on 437,665 MHz USB, RTTY 50 baud, 7n1, flytta 550 Hz
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[11:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sq9smc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sq9smc_chase
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[11:34] <pb0ahx__> a lot of listeners for SP9UOB-rs41
[11:35] <pb0ahx__> nice
[11:48] <michal_f> yeah... too bad I'm at work and can't join...
[11:54] <chrisg7ogx> where are the details for rs-41 freq mode etc?
[11:58] <pb0ahx__> in fldigi it works auto config
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[12:02] <michal_f> 437.665 MHz USB, RTTY 50 baud, 7n1, shift 550 Hz
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[12:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03angie_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=angie_chase
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[13:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOTAFLIGHT after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOTAFLIGHT
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[14:40] <R34lB0rg> https://2016.spaceappschallenge.org/locations/vienna-austria <- 2nd winner
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[16:54] <jakeio> Would a 1000g balloon be enough for an 800g payload? Or should I go for a bigger balloon?
[16:55] <daveake> Depends how high you want to go
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[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> we used about this configuration last time and got to 31 km
[16:56] <jakeio> Well, having used the calculator, it appears it should be OK for 35km, however, I just wanted to check.
[16:56] <daveake> For some, a smaller balloon is better as it (generally) won't go so far
[16:56] <jakeio> I'm aiming for about 33-35km.
[16:57] <daveake> There's nothing to check - it's between you, your pocket, the payload weight, the calculator and the resulting flight path
[16:57] <jakeio> OK. Well, thanks!
[16:59] <mfa298> if you need to reach a particular altitude you should choose a combination that gives you that and a suitable margin of error, but if it's only photos its unlikely to be that much of an issue if it bursts slightly before you expect
[17:00] <daveake> Indeed. Pictures hardly change once about ~20km, so getting higher gets you more photos/video but not necessarily better ones
[17:00] <daveake> ^ above
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[17:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YEOTY4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YEOTY4
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[19:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAPROS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPROS
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[20:19] <tweetBot> @MX5AKA: John G8DET @ChelmsfordARS giving an update on 434MHz & #APRS #UBSEDS15 balloon #hamradio #hamr #ukhas https://t.co/ETypsYvnbe
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[20:49] <Rugger123> Hey guys
[20:51] <Rugger123> I am interested to ink now where I can find some hydrogen. This is for a school project and I hope you can point me in the right direction
[20:52] <daveake> IME with schools, once health & safety start asking questions, you'll soon realise the only way forward is to go and get helium instead
[20:53] <daveake> If you want to try, if your school has an account with a gas supplier (e.g. for welding, physics) ask them
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[20:55] <daveake> np come again
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[21:01] <mfa298> well at least he asked, it's a step up from some :p
[21:03] <daveake> true :)
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> another successful day
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[21:57] <Laurenceb_> why does UBSEDS-15 have a solar voltage
[21:57] <Laurenceb_> something looks wrong
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[22:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
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[22:40] <gorg> Hello!
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[22:47] <AdamDynamic> I'm trying to update the software on the Pi I have my PITS software installed on - does anyone know how to "pause" the PITS software so that I can use the command line?
[22:48] <AdamDynamic> It seems that whenever I try to type a command, the GPS refreshes and I can't seem to do it
[22:49] <daveake> Alt f2
[22:49] <daveake> That gets you a separate login screen
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[22:57] <AdamDynamic> Perfect, many thanks!
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[23:01] <AdamDynamic> Also, will the standard 'sudo apt-get update / sudo apt-get upgrade' update the PITS software?
[23:01] <AdamDynamic> I'm sure I read somewhere that there was a seperate command to pull the latest update from the github page
[23:01] <AdamDynamic> I can't seem to find it though?
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[23:02] <daveake> Those commands won't, no.
[23:03] <mattd75> !hysplit
[23:03] <SpacenearUS> 03mattd75: HYSPLIT available for: 03SP9UOB-11, UBSEDS15, W7QO-9, WB8ELK-13
[23:03] <daveake> See the installation page - update instructions at the bottom
[23:03] <mattd75> !hysplit UBSEDS15
[23:03] <SpacenearUS> 03mattd75: HYSPLIT for 03UBSEDS15 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/160503-22_1694_UBSEDS15.gif
[23:03] <AdamDynamic> Got it, thanks again!
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[23:04] <daveake> You may need to install pigpio - again see that page
[23:08] <AdamDynamic> So install pigpio before running the update commands at the end?
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