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[01:43] <DemonOfElru> oh wow this place is deffintiely still active
[01:43] <DemonOfElru> dope
[01:46] <superkuh> Why does the voltage offset change so much in http://i.imgur.com/k9VCtFG.png ?
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[01:47] <DemonOfElru> hello hab-nerds. im new here and would like to join the club. wondering where a good place to start would be for someone who's goal to stream live video?
[01:47] <DemonOfElru> im finding a lot of online info, but a lot of it is dated
[01:47] <mfa298> DemonOfElru: there;s a load of information on the wiki in the /title
[01:47] <mfa298> where are you located ?
[01:48] <DemonOfElru> san diego Ca
[01:48] <DemonOfElru> but im planning on traveling this summer
[01:49] <mfa298> you may have a few more options being in the US, but live video is tricky, that needs lots of bandwidth which isn't always available on a hab
[01:49] <DemonOfElru> live is 100% necisary
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[01:50] <DemonOfElru> i mean not 100% necissary
[01:50] <mfa298> the best habs have generally started out with a minimal payload and then built up from there.
[01:51] <DemonOfElru> yeah im not sending anything crazy uo for my first hab, but i do want to start building and researching in the right direction
[01:51] <mfa298> for the US if you don't already have a HAM license you probably want to get one as that opens up the use of APRS for tracking
[01:53] <mfa298> ssdv (usually over rtty at 300 baud or 600 baud) will give live small still images
[01:53] <DemonOfElru> are any of you playing around with super pressure baloons?
[01:53] <DemonOfElru> still images work actually for what i want to do initially
[01:55] <mfa298> http://ssdv.habhub.org/CHEESE gives an idea of the sort of thing you can get with ssdv. each image probably took a couple of minutes to send
[01:58] <DemonOfElru> interesting
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[02:16] <DemonOfElru> anyone messing around with superpressure balloons or zero pressure balloons
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[03:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS15 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS15
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[06:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03(214)723-9758_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=(214)723-9758_chase
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[06:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[07:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03214723-9758_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=214723-9758_chase
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[07:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[08:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-9 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-9
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[08:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03v_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=v_chase
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[09:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LeMi_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LeMi_chase
[09:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LeMi - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LeMi
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[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LeMi2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LeMi2_chase
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[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03cn8dn_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=cn8dn_chase
[11:03] <jakeio> Hello, could I have a little help with some of the notation for the CAA Air Navigation Order? I've not done Geography in a long time!
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[11:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CLT2634_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLT2634_chase
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[11:25] <mfa298> jakeio: you may want to ask something more specific
[11:26] <jakeio> Ah, OK. Well, firstly, what are the "Grid Letters" are they as described here: https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/resources/maps-and-geographic-resources/the-national-grid.html
[11:27] <mactunes> utm
[11:27] <russss> http://www.gridreferencefinder.com/
[11:27] <Vaizki> isn't it described there?
[11:28] <mfa298> if you've got a paper map there they should be on it (large blue letters from memory)
[11:31] <mfa298> or use russss' link
[11:32] <Vaizki> do they really want coords in a grid system format.. whyyy :)
[11:32] <russss> because that's the "official" UK coordinate system
[11:32] <Oddstr13> throw decimal degrees at them >.<
[11:32] <jakeio> For the easting and northing, they request 3 fig, is there a different system for 3 fig, or shall I just truncate to 3 s.f.?
[11:33] <Oddstr13> if they can't decipher that, I'd say they arn't qualified for their job
[11:33] <jakeio> Well, I want this to go through quickly, so I won't mess with them!
[11:33] <mfa298> the squares should be the same on all maps
[11:34] <Oddstr13> the official norwegian system is UTM32 or URM33 or something like that
[11:34] <mfa298> are you sure about 3fig, standard is 6figure grid reference for most things
[11:34] <jakeio> Yes, however, they specifically state 3 fig on the document...
[11:34] <Vaizki> russss, ohh.. we have EUREF-FIN as the official one but it's within 1 meter of WGS84 throughout the country so let's just say that not many people bother with it ...
[11:34] <mfa298> or do you mean the numbers in eastigns and 3 in northings
[11:35] <jakeio> Sorry mfa298, I'm not sure what you mean?
[11:35] <daveake> just put down the most significant digits
[11:35] <russss> I assume that's 3 figures per axis, not 3 figures in total
[11:35] <daveake> per axis
[11:35] <russss> so it's the standard xx000000
[11:36] <russss> which gridreferencefinder gives you
[11:36] <jakeio> Thought so daveake.
[11:36] <mfa298> a 6 figure grid reference is 6 numebrs AB123456 where 123 is eastings and 456 is northings
[11:36] <russss> Vaizki: we "suffer" from the fact that we had a standardised national coordinate system way earlier than most countries.
[11:36] <jakeio> OK. And AB is the Grid Letter?
[11:37] <russss> jakeio: just go to gridreferencefinder.com, right click on your launch site, and it's the "Grid Reference (6 figure)"
[11:37] <mfa298> yes (although AB isn't in the UK so would be invalid)
[11:37] <jakeio> Haha.
[11:38] <Vaizki> russss, well we've changed coordinate systems at least twice in the last 100 years so maybe you could manage it too :)
[11:38] <russss> heh
[11:38] <daveake> Plenty of web sites to do the conversion for you, from GPS for example. here's on e- http://www.gridreferencefinder.com/
[11:39] <russss> Vaizki: I'm surprised there's not an official transverse mercator projection though, as those are quite useful
[11:41] <Vaizki> I wish the tectonic plates would stop moving so we could have just one coordinate system globally ;)
[11:43] <mfa298> wow, reading the history we were quite progressive, looks like the current grid using meters dates back to the late 1930s
[11:43] <russss> yeah, it was standardised in 1938
[11:45] <jakeio> For Dates of Flights should I specify a window?
[11:45] <mfa298> I knew it's origins were that far back, I hadn't realised it was metric since then though.
[11:46] <Vaizki> does the UK armed forces use national grid or MGRS then? :O
[11:46] <Vaizki> (our "Defence Force" uses MGRS)
[11:46] <russss> Vaizki: I don't know, but I'd expect they use MGRS
[11:48] <daveake> jakeio: You can, but the CAA don't like long launch windows.
[11:49] <mfa298> they may use both dedpending on location, the national grid won't help if they're outside the UK
[11:49] <jakeio> Shall I give 3 days perhaps? Will they complain at that?
[11:49] <daveake> do you need 3 days ?
[11:49] <jakeio> Well, in case of weather...
[11:49] <daveake> How far away is the launch?
[11:50] <jakeio> May 30/31
[11:50] <daveake> Put down 1 day for now. email again a few days before launch, when you'll have a good idea of the weather. You can adjust the launch date then.
[11:51] <daveake> If it's a weekend you might as well request both days.
[11:51] <jakeio> It's not a weekend but it's my half term.
[11:51] <daveake> It's also in your interest not to have a wide window, as you will probably get calls from pilots, and the wider the window the more calls you'll get
[11:55] <jakeio> For max dimensions, shall I give dimension at burst?
[11:55] <daveake> I just put "1.5m at launch"
[11:56] <jakeio> And they're fine with that? OK.
[11:57] <daveake> Well they're not going to care what the balloon size is at 30km, are they?
[11:58] <jakeio> Haha, fair enough.
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[11:59] <jakeio> For the scan of the map, how much of the surrounding area do they need? And will a pencil cross mark the site sufficiently? I may be being OTT here, but I'm paranoid :D
[12:01] <daveake> The site needs to be clearly marked, on an OS map. You can get that on bing maps or the OS site. Dunno that scale matters enormously so long as the site can be seen clearly.
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[12:54] <jakeio> Well, I've submitted that form from 2009 to the email address on it, fingers crossed someone still checks it!
[12:56] <arjunnaha> Isn't there a new email address?
[12:58] <jakeio> Just got the automated reply -_-
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[12:59] <arjunnaha> Jakeio, what year are you in?
[12:59] <jakeio> Haha.
[12:59] <jakeio> I got the document from the ukhas wiki!
[12:59] <jakeio> I couldn't help that it was from 2009...
[12:59] <arjunnaha> That came out wrong, I meant school year haha
[13:00] <jakeio> Oh. Year 12 / Form 6.1.
[13:00] <arjunnaha> Year 9 here lol
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[13:01] <jakeio> Ah.
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[13:04] <jakeio> You must be one of the youngest people on this IRC!
[13:04] <jakeio> Then of course, I probably am too :D
[13:04] <jakeio> Not to offend anyone :P
[13:05] <arjunnaha> ;) When you planning to launch?
[13:05] <arjunnaha> 12:50:01 <jakeio> May 30/31
[13:05] <arjunnaha> Faceplan
[13:05] <jakeio> Yup :D
[13:05] <arjunnaha> *palm
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[13:05] <arjunnaha> Screw you autocorrect
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[13:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-7 after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-7
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[13:29] <mfa298> heh, useful piece of information off the radio: There is a time and a place for decaf coffee: Never and in the Bin.
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> I somewhat disagree - coffee flavoured stuff
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> but it's a cooking ingredient, not a drink
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[13:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LeMi-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LeMi-11
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[14:13] <jan64> around 8 seconds from pressing the power button to the bootloader.
[14:13] <jan64> Hmm, wrong channel.
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[14:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hkLo1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hkLo1
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[15:27] <Ian_> IIRC the National Grid system used in Ireland is tilted with respect to that of the UK
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[17:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-rs41 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-rs41
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[17:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOTAFLIGHT after 0318 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOTAFLIGHT
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[18:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7UNR - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7UNR
[18:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CLT2634_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLT2634_chase
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[19:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f0gra_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f0gra_chase
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[19:31] <daey> does a deeper explanation for the different ublox 'Dynamic Platform models' e.g. pedestrian,automotive,airborne ... exists?
[19:31] <daey> is the precision degredation a physical limitation or is it purposely integrated?
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[20:07] <SpeedEvil> daey: Signal-noise
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> daey: If you assume different signal models, then you get different position out.
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> Or dynamic position anyway
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> If you know your app is pedestrian, you can limit speed to 10MPH and accelleration to .5G, and turning to 90 degrees/s and be mostly right. Any position hypothesis that fall outside that range are errors
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[20:15] <daey> SpeedEvil: i see. so its not cocom related. Biking is something that falls between pedestrian an car thats why i was asking
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[20:20] <F5MVO> Hello, no contact from Ubseds-15 ?
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[20:29] <F5MVO> Lost contact with Ubseds15 with thunderstorms ?
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[20:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PAYIOAD after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PAYIOAD
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[20:31] <F5MVO> Hello, UBSEDS15 contact lost with thunderstorms ?
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[23:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CLT2634_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLT2634_chase
[23:33] Nick change: Crashbone -> Crashbone|Away
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