highaltitude.log.20160501

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[00:27] <daey> does anyone here know how to interface with an ublox module via i2c? My connection is essentially working. I can read the two buffer registers, but thats about it.
[00:27] <daey> im working without a gps lock. i assume the i2c connection throws out dummy packets like the uart does.
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[00:50] <daey> oh god...you have to send PUBX strings through i2c....disgusting :X
[00:51] <adamgreig> use ubx binary mode
[00:51] <adamgreig> not pubx strings
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[00:51] <adamgreig> you have to keep reading the final register and it will keep updating with new bytes
[00:51] <adamgreig> it might not send out any packets by default, poll for the ones you want by ubx or configure the port to send the ones you want
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[00:54] <daey> adamgreig: y i got it to do something...ive no idea how a i2c slave should be able to generate a clock signal though (which it is currently doing) :P
[00:58] <adamgreig> are you very sure it's the ublox generating the i2c clock?
[01:01] <daey> i think so. but im only trying around atm. not paying much attention to it
[01:01] <daey> you said im supposed to use binary UBX mode. dont i need both? UBX and PUBX?
[01:01] <daey> or does UBX cover PUBX as well?
[01:04] <adamgreig> you only need ubx
[01:04] <adamgreig> you can use pubx instead i believe
[01:04] <daey> good to know
[01:04] <adamgreig> but like, why would you
[01:04] <daey> yes but im pretty sure that pubx is limited
[01:04] <adamgreig> ubx is much easier to work with on an embedded thing i think
[01:05] <daey> meh. the pubx messages are pretty much the same imho. simply make a string and send each character in a loop
[01:05] <daey> they are probably nicer as they are selfexplaining
[01:12] <adamgreig> parsing the other way is much harder
[01:12] <adamgreig> and even then, you can just have a struct that reflects the ubx packet and send its bytes, rather than constructing astring
[01:12] <daey> well the nmea command is just a byte string as well :/
[01:13] <daey> each character is just an 8bit value, same as the ubx command
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[01:14] <adamgreig> yea but it's how you construct it
[01:14] <adamgreig> w/e, do whatever you like :P
[01:15] <daey> its late, i probably am just missing something
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[02:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FAW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FAW_chase
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[04:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[05:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-11 after 0320 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-11
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[06:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FANHAB1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FANHAB1
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[06:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS15 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS15
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[07:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MTG004 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTG004
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[07:20] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:20] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Cheese 10(7469), 03UBSEDS15 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(d812), 03PICO-24 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(d447)
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[08:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03test_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=test_chase
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[08:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
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[09:19] <PB0AHX-Herman> Upu, look at ssdv.habhub.org it is working
[09:20] <PB0AHX-Herman> Upu, distance abt 15 km on land
[09:28] <fsphil> not bad
[09:29] Action: PE2BZ having first SSDV transmission with PB0AHX with Lora tracker connected to the Diamond V-2000 on 432.625 in mode1
[09:39] <PB0AHX-Herman> in the screen i see 88h for power ??
[09:45] <PB0AHX-Herman> a niew plaatje
[09:45] <PB0AHX-Herman> a nieuw plaatje
[09:46] Action: PE2BZ has switched from the Diamond antenna to the vertical Logper in direction 50 degrees.
[09:47] <PB0AHX-Herman> packet SNR now -3 RSSI=100
[09:47] <PE2BZ> fsphil good morning. Would you happen to know if the LoRa tx starts at maximum output or that there is a setting for the output ?
[09:48] <fsphil> depends how the software is configuring the module
[09:48] <fsphil> there are registers on it for controlling output power
[09:53] <daveake> The 88h is the setting
[09:54] <PE2BZ> Thanks, I noticed in the datasheet allready, but I am not good in bits to bytes to hex values. I tried to transfer the 88H to the registers but I did not come to a value that made sense to me.
[09:54] <daveake> You need to check the manual to see the possibilities
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[09:54] <PE2BZ> Goodmorning Dave
[09:54] <daveake> Well 0x88 is 10001000 in binary, so just match that to the register description
[09:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UVG-9_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UVG-9_chase
[10:00] <PE2BZ> daveake In the pdf I ended up thinking that the 0x88 belonged to the 0x09 RegPaConfig register. Am I right with that ?
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[10:01] <daveake> yes
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[10:02] <fsphil> nice garden
[10:02] <PE2BZ> fsphil thanks ;-) the one in the middle is mine.
[10:03] <PB0AHX-Herman> image finist now bram
[10:03] <PB0AHX-Herman> now telemerie
[10:03] <PB0AHX-Herman> now telemetrie
[10:03] <PE2BZ> daveake so, the first 1 sets bit 7, Pa Select, to PA_Boost, limited to + 20 dBm
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[10:04] <daveake> yes
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[10:04] <PE2BZ> and the 3 times zero sets the output to 10.8 + 0.6 ( 0 ) = 10.8 dBM
[10:05] <PE2BZ> big M is for mac donald should be dBm
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[10:18] <F5MVO> Hello, Ubseds15 restart this morning !
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[10:22] <richardeoin> Ubseds15 is painted black so it warms up in the sunlight, then it can start working again
[10:23] <richardeoin> I think it was transmitting for at least an hour before anyone started listening
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[10:44] <PE2BZ> daveake and the output power Pout is 17 - (15 - 8) = 17 -7 = 10 dBm
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[10:46] <PE2BZ> daveake so 8Fh should set the output to 17 dBm
[10:46] <PE2BZ> afk for lunch
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[10:48] <pepino81> list
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[10:48] <fsphil> 10 goto 10
[10:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> run
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[10:57] <daveake> halt
[10:57] <PB0AHX-Herman> if halt =10 than run
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[11:16] <PE2BZ> daveake I ´m back. You agree with the 8Fh for 17 dBm ?
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9HFJ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9HFJ-11
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[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5TDW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5TDW_chase
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[11:43] <PE2BZ> daveake In the lora.c I have replaced the PA_MAX_UK with PA_MAX_BOOST in the line Config->LoRaDevices[Channel].Power = ReadInteger(fp, "LORA_Power", Channel, 0, PA_MAX_BOOST); which confirms my 8Fh setting. Thanks so far.
[11:45] <daveake> Er, no need to do that
[11:45] <daveake> Just set LORA_Power_<channel>=<power> in pisky.txt
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[11:46] <daveake> You've changed the default setting not necessarily the actual setting, which will be overridden by the pisky.txt line if that exists
[11:47] <PE2BZ> I thougt there would be an easy way ;-) But I did not find that in a readme, or was I reading the wrong one ?
[11:50] <daveake> Not documented, but should be clear from that line that you edited
[11:51] <PE2BZ> Ok. Going to beam into the UK now ;-)
[11:52] <PE2BZ> But first I set the lora.c back to normal
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[11:59] <PE2BZ> daveake would that be the setting LORA_Power_1=8F
[11:59] <PE2BZ> ?
[11:59] <daveake> no it needs decimal
[12:00] <PE2BZ> thanks
[12:02] <PB0AHX-Herman> PE2BZ, ur antenne now to UK ??
[12:03] <PE2BZ> No, omni directional.
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[12:13] <jakeio> Does anyone know the new URL of the CAA page which is referenced on the Wiki: restrictions_legality. The URL was: http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=503 however, this appears to just go straight to a portal, and their website is a maze!
[12:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality maby u can find something here
[12:25] <jakeio> SA6BSS-Mike, as I said that's where I got the information. However, the hyperlink on that page is now out of date.
[12:26] <daveake> I don't know what that used to link to. What in particular are you after?
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> peerce: http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?appid=11&mode=detail&id=226
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> http://www.caa.co.uk/droneaware
[12:34] <daveake> yeah it was the air nav order; feel free to fix the link :)
[12:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BlueDot after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BlueDot
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1YOF-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1YOF-11
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1YIP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1YIP-11
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[13:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03n1yip_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=n1yip_chase
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[13:17] Action: PE2BZ is now LoRa SSDV tx´ing in mode 1 SSDV and telemetry on 432.625 MHz. Best DX so far is 15 km with 100 mW
[13:19] <F5MVO> Notaflight is qrt ?
[13:19] <PE2BZ> Notaflight is Not A Flight. It is a test transmission / software test
[13:22] <craag> !dial NOTAFLIGHT
[13:22] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:23] <fsphil> I think I'm getting a signal from it
[13:24] <daveake> might need a tall aerial
[13:24] <daveake> arko https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/80/1a/01/801a01560a74bc53daf619517d5f6059.jpg
[13:24] <daveake> oops wrong place :)
[13:24] <arko> hahaha
[13:25] <daveake> ah well you got it :)
[13:25] <fsphil> "will you assimilate me"
[13:25] <arko> i love it
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[13:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> Hi all
[13:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> 12 km is reachable under regular qualatex balloon :-)
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[13:44] <PE2BZ> Groundcontrol to Major Tom - That´s nice. with payload ?
[13:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> PE2BZ: payload is 6.3 gram :-)
[13:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> PE2BZ: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1389473364411755&set=rpd.100000473142757&type=3&theater
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[14:01] <PE2BZ> SP9UOB-Tom thanks ! Looks neat !
[14:04] Action: PE2BZ is wondering... Would ¨the people¨ behind habhub.org mind if the ssdv.habhub.org gets filled with LoRa SSDV images from a Pi which is not in the airspace ?
[14:07] <craag> PE2BZ: Nope, go ahead with testing. People can filter it anyway with eg. http://ssdv.habhub.org/PE2BZ
[14:11] <PE2BZ> craag great ! Going to try to setup the receiving party as repeater . But not for today....
[14:15] <PE2BZ> craag is there also a filter to see anything but PE2BZ ?
[14:17] <craag> yes, just substitute the callsign
[14:17] <craag> oh
[14:17] <craag> no not as far as I know
[14:17] <PE2BZ> OK np.
[14:19] <mfa298> you may want to stop uploading test images if there's a flight on using SSDV, but you may have a way to go to catch up with the the load from someone testing a week or so ago
[14:20] <PE2BZ> mfa298 indeed, I do not plan to interfere with HAB flights. I just would like to see if it´s interesting to use the LoRa for a land mode SSDV also. And this was a nice test for Herman PB0AHX to see if his setup works. And it works nice ;-)
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[14:57] <fsphil> I may remove the combined view anyway
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[15:00] <PE2BZ> fsphil could it be an option to add a setting and have a SSDV page for non-hab ?
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[15:02] <mfa298> maybe the front page should just show the latest image from each payload
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[15:09] <Vaizki> Or just images from payloads attached to valid flight docs
[15:11] <PE2BZ> That would mean that it cannot be used for non hab SSDV ? Perhaps a second page, for images not attached to a flight doc ?
[15:12] <Vaizki> yes that's what I meant, have the front page for valid flights only
[15:13] <fsphil> nah, just means you'd have to use ssdv.habhub.org/callsign
[15:14] <PE2BZ> Ok, like that idea
[15:14] <fsphil> the summary on the main page is a good idea too
[15:14] <PE2BZ> fsphil are you the driving power behind the habhub scenes ?
[15:15] <fsphil> just the ssdv part
[15:15] <PE2BZ> how about adding a paypal button ?
[15:15] <PE2BZ> for the server / power / internet or something like that ?
[15:16] <PE2BZ> afk for a while, will read up later this evening.
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[16:46] <F5MVO> Yesterday the Ubseds15 power shut down 15 mn before the sunset, today Ajaccio sunset 2223 local time.
[16:46] Action: PE2BZ is back after dinner time
[16:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOTAFLIGHT after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOTAFLIGHT
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[17:18] <SpeedEvil> F5MVO: I blame weasels.
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[17:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[17:50] <Ben-AstroSoc> have just realised my raspberry pi 3 never showed up
[17:50] <Ben-AstroSoc> *sigh* time to fill out some forms
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[18:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 0318 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[18:25] <n4xwc_Shane> Brian, ya on?
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[18:33] <n4xwc_Shane> i c u
[18:33] <kj4tdm_Brian> k
[18:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0ICX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0ICX-11
[18:33] <kj4tdm_Brian> i wish it would make a noise when someone sends something
[18:34] <n4xwc_Shane> My LNA setup seems fine so far for HAB, but for ADSB, it's awful! With or without LNA
[18:34] <n4xwc_Shane> I do too!
[18:35] <n4xwc_Shane> That lightning link that guy pasted here yesterday is pretty slick
[18:36] <kj4tdm_Brian> yae but u cant zoom in
[18:36] <n4xwc_Shane> yeah...but ya can pick Florida
[18:37] <n4xwc_Shane> it shows us
[18:37] <kj4tdm_Brian> post the link
[18:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=32
[18:39] <n4xwc_Shane> Mike beat me to it! :) I was distracted...The balloon on 403.5 is on the way down.....lets compare and see how low we can copy
[18:40] <kj4tdm_Brian> thanks
[18:40] <F5MVO> http://www.lightningmaps.org/blitzortung/america/index.php?lang=fr
[18:41] <daey> in which every day situation is the ublox 8 worth the extra money?
[18:41] <daey> especially for hab it seems to be a waste of money
[18:41] <daveake> few gps's work for hab; ublox does
[18:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> daey: ublox vs what? max7
[18:42] <daey> rather 6 i think
[18:42] <daey> the 7 seems to be rare
[18:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> wider power tolernce
[18:43] <kj4tdm_Brian> Shane, i see a new one on 400
[18:43] Action: daey assumed the ublox 6m to be the universal standard therefore didnt specify it ^_^". my bad
[18:44] <kj4tdm_Brian> It looks like it was launched from the same place i seen those guys yesterday
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[18:48] <kj4tdm_Brian> Shane, from a few tweets i have read it looks like today is the last day for all this
[18:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LeMi - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LeMi
[18:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> nop, looks like the booth does 2.7 - 3.6V
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[18:55] <n4xwc_Shane> Definately two on 402! Geeze
[18:56] <kj4tdm_Brian> yep
[18:57] <kj4tdm_Brian> 405.95 - new one
[18:59] <n4xwc_Shane> One on 403 is on the way down
[18:59] <n4xwc_Shane> Can you copy the one on 406?
[19:01] <kj4tdm_Brian> theres a digital one there
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[19:04] <n4xwc_Shane> I can't copy it tho
[19:04] <mfa298> daey: some of the cheap ublox 6 modules you find on the likes of ebay are either end of the line modules or are fakes. The question potentially then is whether the risk of your payload stopping working when it gets cold is worth the small saving.
[19:05] <mfa298> buying from the like of uputronics you know you're getting a real chip.
[19:06] <kj4tdm_Brian> i got a strong signal, but it want decode
[19:13] <Laurenceb_> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/assets/flights/15/tracker.jpg
[19:13] <Laurenceb_> v nice, is that a rf switch based design on there?
[19:13] <Ben-AstroSoc> what an odd shape
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> so much rf, I can't work it out lol
[19:16] <Laurenceb_> ah, top trace thats unpopulated is a 1W power amp O_o
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> obviosuly it was populated afterwards and not photographed as its too naughty :D
[19:17] <n4xwc_Shane> I hear thunder! Switching out my LNA
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[19:18] <kj4tdm_Brian> i do to!
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[19:21] <n4xwc_Shane> These seem to have good parachutes on em.
[19:22] <kj4tdm_Brian> im hoping the one im tracking lands close to guntersville
[19:22] <n4xwc_Shane> You gonna go get it?
[19:22] <kj4tdm_Brian> but it aint lookin like it will!!
[19:22] <kj4tdm_Brian> we r going up there at 4
[19:23] <kj4tdm_Brian> it just bursted
[19:24] <kj4tdm_Brian> ur way out there!
[19:25] <n4xwc_Shane> Spacenear is prediting yours to land near Mentone/I59
[19:25] <kj4tdm_Brian> btw i have had my wspr running for 2 days now havnt copied that balloon u told me about.
[19:26] <kj4tdm_Brian> its desent rate is almost 6
[19:27] <kj4tdm_Brian> I need a 3rd monitor
[19:27] <n4xwc_Shane> I haven't copied it in over 24 hrs either...I think it's gone. No body has copied it in over 12 hours
[19:32] <richardeoin> oh hey Laurenceb_
[19:32] <richardeoin> yep it's an amplifier for 2 meters
[19:32] <Laurenceb_> nice
[19:33] <richardeoin> not populated on ubseds15
[19:33] <Laurenceb_> why is the switch at the antenna end? You use the 2 way switches closer to the silabs to select the matching network?
[19:35] <richardeoin> hmm so the AS213 in the middle selects bypass/amplifer as you say
[19:36] <richardeoin> the switch at the end is three way, selects rx/bypass/amplifer (although the rx is unused)
[19:36] <Laurenceb_> ah you have rx, I see now
[19:37] <richardeoin> I really should have done it as a 4 layer board
[19:37] <richardeoin> you see the decoupling/jump over capacitor?
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> yes lol
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> who do you use for pcbs?
[19:38] <richardeoin> pcb-pool.com
[19:39] <richardeoin> have tried pcb way etc, but they didn't put solder resist between the SE880 pads
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[19:39] <Laurenceb_> ok
[19:40] <richardeoin> the SE880s are such a pain to solder, I'm considering going back to ublox
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[19:43] <Laurenceb_> looks similar to lsm9ds1 I had issues with
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> pad design on the footprint is very important
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[19:45] <richardeoin> hmm this is the current pad design http://imgur.com/4ZF9bYZ
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[19:47] <richardeoin> sparkfun do a breakout for the lsm9ds1 https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/0/5/3/3/13284-02.jpg
[19:47] <n4xwc_Shane> ya switched balloons!
[19:47] <kj4tdm_Brian> yea
[19:48] <kj4tdm_Brian> its in a storm!
[19:48] <richardeoin> even though it's an lga you can still see the pads visually?
[19:48] <n4xwc_Shane> K....I was gonna see how we compared to alt at LOS.
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[19:49] <kj4tdm_Brian> ill go back, what freq?
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[19:49] <n4xwc_Shane> but that's OK.....404
[19:49] <kj4tdm_Brian> theres a wfm on 403
[19:50] <n4xwc_Shane> Now my LNA or switch coil appears shorted...I can't switch to LNA any more.....I'm bout ready to just go back to dang straight antenna!
[19:50] <n4xwc_Shane> Yep...I see the WB on 403.
[19:51] <kj4tdm_Brian> im having a hard time decoding
[19:51] <n4xwc_Shane> The one on 404?
[19:51] <kj4tdm_Brian> 404
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[19:52] <n4xwc_Shane> Mines fading, but still fairly good coppy
[19:52] <n4xwc_Shane> copy too!
[19:52] <kj4tdm_Brian> yea thats weird, idk whats the deal there im pointing right at it
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[19:53] <kj4tdm_Brian> its between -5 and -10
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[19:53] <n4xwc_Shane> mine too
[19:53] <n4xwc_Shane> sometimes bouncing to 0
[19:53] <kj4tdm_Brian> yep
[19:53] <kj4tdm_Brian> raining here
[19:54] <n4xwc_Shane> Here too....and thunder....but I still have a spare SDR, so I'm gonna hang in there! :)
[19:54] <kj4tdm_Brian> you need to look into that
[19:55] <kj4tdm_Brian> u need a water coolling system for a pc and use it on ur sdr's and see if thats the issue
[19:56] <n4xwc_Shane> I put my cheap lightning spressor back in-line. Haven't lost one yet using it. My hi-dollar one from work doesn't help! It's the EMP's that zap it.
[19:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VEGA2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VEGA2
[19:57] <kj4tdm_Brian> im switching to 405
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[19:59] <Laurenceb_> <richardeoin> yeah that doesnt look too good to me
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/9RXAxCR
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> try to keep each pad as similar as possible
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> and extend them slightly beyond the sides of the IC
[20:03] <richardeoin> good point, I think that's what sparkfun have done with the lsm9ds1 too
[20:04] <richardeoin> the se880 user manual suggests pads the same side as the LGA pads http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/NAVMAN%20Wireless%20PDFs/Jupiter%20SE880%20User%20Guide.pdf Section 6.2
[20:04] <richardeoin> *same size
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> yeah that ends badly
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> if you have a slight solder excess on one pad it causes dry joints elsewhere
[20:05] <Laurenceb_> you need elongated pads to allow solder to wick out from underneath
[20:05] <richardeoin> yeah I think that's been happening
[20:05] <Laurenceb_> sometimes you can fix by putting an M3 nut on top during reflow
[20:05] <richardeoin> the problems have been drys rather than shorts
[20:05] <richardeoin> ooh okay, that's useful
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> yeah same here, I worried that the nut would cause shorts, but it seems the solder surface tension makes it quite hard to create shorts
[20:07] <richardeoin> there may have been some shorts on the boards without resist between pins
[20:07] <Laurenceb_> this was when I had a footprint with smaller pads, the one I linked reflows reliably
[20:08] <richardeoin> okay I see
[20:08] <richardeoin> would you cover the entire copper area in paste, or just a section?
[20:09] <Laurenceb_> I try to match the area of paste to the area of exposed copper
[20:09] <Laurenceb_> i.e. mm^2 match, but that solder stencil is just a rectangle
[20:10] <Laurenceb_> the pad is an exposed 8mil trace then a 10mil wide rectangular pad
[20:11] <richardeoin> so just the 10 mil pad has paste?
[20:11] <adamgreig> so you overpaste?
[20:11] <adamgreig> i put the same amount of paste as pad for pads, but much less for large exposed pads in the middle
[20:11] <adamgreig> i find qfns will float on large central pads without soldering the actual pins if you have too much paste in the middle
[20:12] <adamgreig> but lots of paste around the edges seems to work very well
[20:12] <adamgreig> as Laurenceb_ says you need to make sure you don't have one pad with much less paste than the others
[20:12] <richardeoin> that's what I do for qfns
[20:12] <adamgreig> but a good stnecil should be np
[20:12] <richardeoin> neither of these LGA things have center pads though
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> richardeoin: no, the paste extends slightly further
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> as I have some 8mil trace with no solder stop layer, so I matched solder paste area to exposed copper area
[20:14] <Laurenceb_> the exposed 8mil trace is there to let any excess solder wick out from under the IC
[20:14] <Laurenceb_> during reflow the IC should be "floating" on the molten solder, so pads with any solder excess will take more load
[20:15] <Laurenceb_> this causes the height of the solder bump ontop of the 8mil trace to increase, and everything "self levels"
[20:16] <adamgreig> ^ this
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[20:17] <richardeoin> okay thanks Laurenceb_
[20:17] <richardeoin> reflow is all about getting surface tension to do the work for you? :p
[20:19] <Laurenceb_> yeah its a balance of surface tension and the weight of the ic, combined with the ability of the solder to flow
[20:20] <Laurenceb_> out from under the ic if necessary - that part seems to help massively
[20:20] <adamgreig> yea - i try to have qfn pads come slightly out from the chip
[20:21] <adamgreig> in fact i just follow the ipc7351b design guidelines religiously and they always do that
[20:21] <richardeoin> I'd do that for qfns, but I blindly followed the se880 docs on this one
[20:22] <adamgreig> yea
[20:22] <richardeoin> not heard of those guidelines before
[20:23] <richardeoin> thanks be to the russian site for the pirated copy
[20:23] <adamgreig> hah
[20:23] <adamgreig> what you have won't be useful, probably
[20:23] <adamgreig> easiest to just download the lpviewer software they release
[20:23] <adamgreig> the full standard is mostly concerned with the maths to determine specific geometries
[20:24] <adamgreig> has all of the details about _why_ too which is nice
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> I finally made the ads1298 behave http://i.imgur.com/k9VCtFG.png
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[20:26] <Laurenceb_> pretty impressive - thats raw signal with no postprocessing sitting next to mains cables and all sorts of nasty noise sources
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> it does actually seem to achieve 23 ENOB, would make a useful general sensor adc
[20:27] <richardeoin> do the blips mean the horse is alive Laurenceb_ ?
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> yes :P
[20:27] <richardeoin> good good
[20:28] <daey> thats quite a heartrate :p
[20:28] <daey> you should reduce the coffee intake
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> gdb makes me nervous
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[20:29] <richardeoin> only about 100bpm I think daey, not off the scale by any means
[20:30] <richardeoin> what about gdb is making you nervous?
[20:32] <Laurenceb_> segfault :P
[20:34] <richardeoin> ah okay
[20:35] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb_: any reason for the LSM9DS1 over the S0?
[20:35] <mattbrejza> i think the S0 is 0.5mm pitch rather then 0.4(5)mm
[20:36] <Laurenceb_> the S0 wasnt in stock when I was ordering parts :P
[20:37] <mattbrejza> oh right
[20:38] <mattbrejza> the alternative is to use a LSM6D__ and a LIS3D__
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: nice
[20:38] <mattbrejza> (part numbers approximate)
[20:38] <Laurenceb_> the magno is pretty crazy - 1khz update with v low noise (lower than honeywell at 50hz)
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> about 200nT/sqrt(Hz) noise
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[20:42] <mattbrejza> i have no reference points for magno noise..
[20:42] <mattbrejza> but sounds good
[20:42] <mattbrejza> the horses will be pleased im sure
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[20:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 0321 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
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[20:56] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: what are you doing?
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[21:07] <Laurenceb_> a monitor for use in horseracing
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[22:28] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
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[23:05] <pb0ahx> !flights
[23:05] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03PICO-24 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(d447), 03LeMi2 10(ab72)
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