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[05:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KingsHAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KingsHAB
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[07:00] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Vaizki: looks like wb8elk could come in range of israel aprs coverage later this afternoon
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[07:18] <Vaizki> yes I was amazed there is zero APRS in Egypt..maybe their bandplan isn't open to the idea
[07:19] <Vaizki> or maybe they shoot people with radios on sight
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[07:23] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> :) its certenly doning a north Africa tour and across middle east, not much aprs coverage in the area
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[07:30] <Vaizki> well they all do unfortunately.. the equator region is hard to escape
[07:32] <Vaizki> ok I am talking out of my ass again
[07:33] <Vaizki> the balloon is on the 30°N border between hadley cells
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[07:34] <Vaizki> because it's not at the surface but high up.. on the surface it'd be attracted to the equator and blown westward, not east :)
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[07:37] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok, cool, did not know that
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[08:16] <Ben-AstroSoc> if i wanted to make a battery voltage reader would a potentnial divider into an ADC work or is it a bit more complex?
[08:17] <daveake> What you said, keeping the impedance of the divider a lot less than that of the ADC input
[08:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> gotcha
[08:19] <Ben-AstroSoc> datasheet is telling me 10k Zi or less, a'ight
[08:19] <Ben-AstroSoc> Zo *
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[09:13] <Vaizki> daveake: out of curiosity what would happen with a too-high impedance on the adc source? I guess you might get a small DC offset but would it be significant?
[09:13] Action: Vaizki did not consider source impedance at all when making voltage monitors...
[09:14] <daveake> If the ADC impedance is included in the calcs then it's fine in that regard; it would change the divider ratio not introduce an offset
[09:16] <daveake> Couple of issues. One is that if a second input is used on the same ADC, where the ADC has an input multiplexer, then when the code switches from one channel to another it can take a while for the input capacitance at the ADC to charge up
[09:16] <daveake> So it has to switch, wait, then start the measurement
[09:17] <daveake> Other is that high value resistors leave the input open to picking up noise
[09:17] <Vaizki> right, that really rapid sawtooth in the rising edges
[09:18] <Vaizki> I have seen it once on a ADC input.. crosstalk from another channel
[09:18] <Vaizki> well kind of crosstalk. not sure what the real name is :)
[09:20] <Vaizki> but if you are just measuring dc-levels at low sample rates then I guess most of these things become largely irrelevant?
[09:21] <Vaizki> but thanks, now I will probably have to read up on this too .. :)
[09:21] Action: AndyEsser hadn't considered input impedance either...
[09:21] <Ben-AstroSoc> jeez, looking for a solar filter for next week, they're like £70
[09:23] <daveake> A sheet of A4 is £20
[09:24] <daveake> make you own
[09:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://www.rothervalleyoptics.co.uk/seymour-solar-12-x-12-thin-film-solar-sheet.html that'll do it, r ight? just got to come up with a mount to hold it taught
[09:33] <fsphil> I need to order some UV filters for my camera, can put the solar filter material between two of them
[09:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> i keep meaning to try and photograph Mars but its always in a bad spot / bad weather
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[09:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5FJA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5FJA-11
[09:46] <daveake> fsphil yes just make sure the light can't get in past the material
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[09:54] <fsphil> indeed. I like my eyes
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[09:54] <fsphil> it'll probably be cloudy anyway
[09:54] <fsphil> </optimistic>
[09:56] <fsphil> I'd love to make a cover for the top of my small scope, but not sure I trust something I make myself
[09:57] <daveake> For the eclipse I made by own filter; I didn't look through the viewfinder tho!
[09:57] <daveake> my ^
[09:58] <fsphil> I have to, no live preview on the camera
[09:58] <daveake> ah
[09:58] <fsphil> added peril
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[09:58] <daveake> yeah you don't want accidental heat-based surgery on your retina
[09:58] <daveake> I've had enough of the deliberate stuff :/
[09:59] <fsphil> I suppose I could order up one of those fancy new picams
[10:00] <fsphil> and remove the lens
[10:00] <fsphil> oh I bet an eyepiece adaptor could be 3d printed
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[10:07] <AndyEsser> daveake: would you recommend laser surgery?
[10:07] <daveake> I said retina not cornea :/
[10:07] <fsphil> if in doubt, duct tape: https://discourse.farsetlabs.org.uk/uploads/default/_optimized/c5b/5aa/367459b8ae_666x500.jpg
[10:07] <daveake> This was to stop my retina coming away, not to fix myopia
[10:08] <AndyEsser> Ah apologies - from the "deliberate" stuff I thought you meant you'd had "standard" laser surgery
[10:08] <daveake> In any case it wasn't enough and I had to have cryotherapy (look it up if you're not squeamish)
[10:08] Action: AndyEsser goes back to bashes head against desk
[10:09] <daveake> No I carefully mentioned retina to be clear :)
[10:09] <fsphil> #!/bin/bash/head > desk
[10:10] <daveake> Sudden head impacts can cause detachments, so don't do that :)
[10:10] <AndyEsser> this code is going to make me detach something
[10:10] <AndyEsser> or at least defenestrate something
[10:11] <fsphil> I've had a similar morning
[10:11] <AndyEsser> I wasted 2 days, and have now had to delay the project a week
[10:11] <AndyEsser> to work around a bug in a Test Framework
[10:11] Action: AndyEsser goes back to writing everything himself
[10:21] <daveake> everything?
[10:22] <daveake> standard libs? compilers?
[10:22] <daveake> trusted well-used libs?
[10:23] <AndyEsser> not quite everything ;)
[10:23] <AndyEsser> I trust GCC/Clang to be fairly ok ;)
[10:23] <daveake> :)
[10:23] <AndyEsser> the C++ STL I have my own version of for various bits
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[10:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-9 after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-9
[10:35] <Ben-AstroSoc> firs ttime i've seen someone use defenestrate in context
[10:35] <Ben-AstroSoc> 10 points
[10:40] Action: SM0ULC-Reb looks around for dictionary
[10:42] <fsphil> I know someone who defenestrated a computer once
[10:42] <fsphil> after stabbing it with a screwdriver
[10:42] <fsphil> all because a wordprocessor crashed
[10:43] <fsphil> it was an ackward moment
[10:43] <daveake> Dictionary? You mean the manuscript ....? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfZRwILOJFE
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[11:05] <Ben-AstroSoc> finished our final report :D *relief*
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[11:18] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> I justed copied w7qo on 20m !! goodie!
[11:20] <Vaizki> I just ordered an Airspy mini.. at $99 seems like a good deal for hab tracking even if you don't care about the general SDR goodness
[11:20] <fsphil> I've reached SDR saturation, no room for even mini versions :)
[11:21] <daveake> hah
[11:23] <Vaizki> in my case I want another Airspy for the summer cabin, going to set up a fixed station there
[11:24] <fsphil> I may get one for the mountain station, if I can get the wifi link sorted out
[11:24] <fsphil> been waiting for a nice weekend to test things...
[11:24] <craag> What's up with it fsphil ?
[11:25] <fsphil> it's currently going to a nearby house, and their satellite internet
[11:25] <craag> ah..
[11:26] <fsphil> I've got line of sight at my place but it's ackward getting up to the chimney
[11:30] <Ben-AstroSoc> use a small child, they're pretty good at getting up chimneys
[11:38] <fsphil> not so good at bring antennas up with them
[11:39] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Vaizki: oh waht!! mini available!! heading over...
[11:39] <fsphil> not available yet
[11:39] <fsphil> it's a pre-order
[11:40] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok, but still
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[11:55] <Vaizki> yes preorder at https://www.itead.cc/airspy-mini.html
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[12:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> Vaizki: ok, orded one to
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[13:31] <DL7AD1> has somebody made observations of interference of the ublox modules with specific other members on the I2C bus? (tag fsphil)
[13:31] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[13:33] <DL7AD> as I'm talking to my camera and ublox module at the same time, one of my one of my I2C members pulls the SCL permanently low
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[13:43] <Laurenceb> is this with stm32?
[13:44] <DL7AD> yes
[13:45] <Laurenceb> maybe it is the stm32 at fault?
[13:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC2PIT-3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC2PIT-3
[13:51] <Laurenceb> using hardware i2c?
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[13:57] <DL7AD> Laurenceb: yes sure
[13:57] <Laurenceb> stm32 hardware i2c is very buggy, which driver code are you using?
[13:58] <DL7AD> Laurenceb: the interesting thing is, the camera has address 0x30. the last message on the bus is: "read from gps (addr 0x42), the gps answers 0x30"
[14:00] <Laurenceb> hard to see how that could happen
[14:00] <Laurenceb> you you have a logic analyser?
[14:01] <Laurenceb> a seal/whatever clone is good for i2c issues
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[14:04] <mattbrejza> saleae
[14:05] <kc2pit> Y'know, someday I'll have time to figure out the ukhas tracking web stuff before a launch. For now, http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FKC2PIT-3&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[14:05] <kc2pit> Yay
[14:06] Action: kc2pit hits the road to chase.
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[15:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 038 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[15:21] Nick change: Herman -> PB0AHX-Herman
[15:22] <PB0AHX-Herman> !flights
[15:22] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX-Herman: There are no flights currently :(
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[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5NVX
[16:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> autopilot just showed up :D
[16:23] <fsphil> by itself? :)
[16:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> i wish
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[16:27] <daveake> hah
[16:27] <daveake> Otto Pilot ?
[16:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> ardupilot
[16:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> apm micro
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[16:28] <daveake> Something tells me you've never seen Airplane! :)
[16:28] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__74644__Micro_HKPilot_Mega_Micro_Sized_Flight_Controller_and_Autopilot_with_Leads_2_7_2_APM_.html this
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[16:28] <Ben-AstroSoc> evidently not :')
[16:28] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/oVKZ4ku.gifv
[16:28] <daveake> Well you need to fix that :)
[16:28] <Ben-AstroSoc> oh cmon that's from the 80s
[16:29] <daveake> and...?
[16:29] <Ben-AstroSoc> years before my time
[16:29] <mattbrejza> is that the ram jet cruise missile Laurenceb ?
[16:29] <Ben-AstroSoc> Laurenceb: https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/4gvvcr/missile_launch/d2ljum2
[16:30] <Laurenceb> nice
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[16:33] <Ben-AstroSoc> facebook has taken to advertisin microchips to me
[16:33] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'm in too deep
[16:33] <edmoore> jesus christ man adblock
[16:33] <edmoore> what is wrong with you
[16:33] <Ben-AstroSoc> i use it
[16:34] <Ben-AstroSoc> it doesn't block facebook's sponsored thing
[16:34] <Ben-AstroSoc> oh just a cotton pickin' second
[16:35] <Ben-AstroSoc> ... no more sponsored microchips
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[16:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE4GMK-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE4GMK-2
[16:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE4SHS-6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE4SHS-6
[16:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA4AMD-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA4AMD-8
[16:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE4JPI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE4JPI
[16:58] <Ben-AstroSoc> proteus won't read in the uni's library so can't get at the programmer -.-
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[17:05] <Ben-AstroSoc> huh, reinstalling it actually worked
[17:05] <Ben-AstroSoc> that hasn't happened ever
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[17:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_T2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_T2
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[17:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHEESE - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHEESE
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[17:50] <Ian_> Ben-AstroSoc "based on the known glide ratio of the airframe" I hope that wasn't in reference to the quad-copter, the glide ratio being somewhat negative, modelled on a brick :)
[17:55] <edmoore> The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
[18:06] <Ben-AstroSoc> I hope not either
[18:06] <Ben-AstroSoc> Or we'll have something with the ability to fly like a penguin
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[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Lol18_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Lol18_chase
[18:42] <fsphil> douglas adams had a great way of describing things
[18:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA4NGC-6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA4NGC-6
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[18:50] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> looks like SP5NVX is up
[18:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:13] <kc2pit> Man, I've got to yell at whoever wrote predict.habhub.org. Damn thing was nearly a kilometer off. Had to go two whole fields over from the predicted landing site.
[19:13] <number10> is that so
[19:14] <fsphil> impressive
[19:15] <kc2pit> (I'm sure it was a case of canceling errors, because the numbers we put into the predictor weren't very close to reality at all. Cool all the same.)
[19:17] <daveake> After we moved house I aimed a flight back at the previous one - 100km or so away. Missed by 2km
[19:19] <number10> did you not like the people yo sold it to
[19:20] <daveake> :)
[19:22] <fsphil> huh, http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=f39d04cb932a3486c08be178c0790a48bfc71bc6
[19:23] <fsphil> that'll be tricky to track
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[20:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-9
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[21:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-9
[21:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[21:37] Nick change: BitEvil -> SpeedEvil
[21:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PAYIOAD - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PAYIOAD
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