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[06:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kp4arn_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kp4arn_chase
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[08:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-13 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-13
[08:24] <Vaizki> !
[08:24] <Vaizki> yeay
[08:26] <ES5TF> Hello!
[08:26] <fsphil> oh nice one bill
[08:26] <ES5TF> Is there any information about registering Ilmapall-2 flight in Habhub?
[08:27] <Vaizki> you need a payload document, test it, create a flight doc and get it approved on #habhub
[08:28] <Vaizki> oh right you already posted the id there.. now you need an admin to approve it
[08:30] <Vaizki> http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/rohde--schwarz-fseb20-20-hz7-ghz-spektrianalysaattori/404032040?ref=hm_vah
[08:30] <Vaizki> aaaargh
[08:30] <Vaizki> mispaste :)
[08:31] <Vaizki> maybe you want to update your flight doc... Launch: Yesterday at 09:00 UTC from Kanepi, Põlva County, Estonia (57.98576,26.75945)
[08:34] <ES5TF> Umm.. that should be today :D
[08:34] <ES5TF> is it really 26.04?
[08:35] <Vaizki> 2016-04-26T12:00:00+03:00 it seems?
[08:36] <Vaizki> anyway, #habhub is the place to get it right and on the flight list
[08:43] <craag> (you need to ask the admins in there nicely to approve it too after you've posted the ID)
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[11:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IP2 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IP2
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[11:28] <jamaica> kas kaamera on IP2 lennul`?
[11:29] <TNG> tahaks ka teada
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[11:32] <x-f> IP2 launched
[11:33] <Vaizki> .. and my antenna at home is disconnected.. :(
[11:33] <Vaizki> I forgot to plug it back in after the thunderstorm
[11:34] <x-f> :/
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W7QO-9 after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7QO-9
[11:46] <ES5TF> IP2 has a camera on board and it is logging data also on SD-card with 1 sec cadence
[11:52] <Ian_> Tartu ES5EC distributed receiver network :)
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ilmapall_car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ilmapall_car_chase
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[12:14] <ES5TF> IP2 is visible by naked eye at ES5TO - a small white dot in completely clear blue sky :)
[12:15] <ES5TF> a plane was flying through the field of view of binoculars where IP2 was centered.. fortunately the height of IP2 was ca 1-2 km higher compared to typical planes
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[12:16] <Laurenceb_> !whereis IP2
[12:16] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03IP2 is over 03Tähtvere Parish, Tartu County, Estonia 10(58.39723,26.59893) at 0314898 meters
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[12:19] <ES5TF> cool feature :)
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[12:28] <jonsowman> !flights
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> 03jonsowman: Current flights: 03Ilmapall-2 Flight  10(4632)
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[12:32] <ES5TF> I wonder if anyone from Stockholm area or from southern Finland is capable of receiving IP2 (angel)
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[12:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03INFINITY after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INFINITY
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[12:35] <x-f> SM0ULC-Reb, you should be in range soon
[12:37] <x-f> ES guys, how is the signal for you? for me the frequency hasn't changed at all, it is stable, but i see wobbling and fading a lot - http://i.imgur.com/v369FTq.png
[12:38] <x-f> i wonder if my setup has become rusty over the winter or you see that as well?
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[12:50] <ES5TF> Yes, it's wobbling.. not completely sure, why
[12:50] <ES5TF> There are 2x2 Saft 3.6V batteries
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[12:59] <Johan__> !history
[13:01] <x-f> thanks, ES5TF
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[13:10] <ES5TF> Estonian altitude record still holds.. ca 34.5 km
[13:11] <ES6JAN> (y)
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[13:14] <x-f> that's good, that means there will be IP3 some day :)
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[13:18] <ES5TF> Maybe in a month or so
[13:18] <ES5TF> and I just heard that in the summer, StratoChem team is also planning a launch or two in the summer
[13:18] <ES5TF> And they are open for exciting payload ideas :-)
[13:18] <x-f> very nice!
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[13:42] <StratosChem> Hi!
[13:42] <ES5TF> Seems that IP2 is swamping
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[13:52] <ES5TF> http://kaart.delfi.ee//?bookmark=8084124c31c95b8990bcc7430820dc00
[13:53] <ES5TF> Not exactly swamp, fir trees, about 25+m tall..
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[14:02] <x-f> fingers crossed it went between the trees
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[15:11] <Ian_> If you go down to the woods today, you are sure of a great surprise . . . what a lot of trees! How much off road trekking to get to the landing site?
[15:12] <Ian_> There is a lot to be said for open fields . . .
[15:13] <fsphil> I feel their pain. had a few miles of mucky fields to walk through to recover one
[15:13] <fsphil> then another mile in a forest
[15:13] <fsphil> twice, as I didn't have a long enough pole to get it out of the tree the first time
[15:14] <Ian_> I guess that there may be logging tracks, but they don't bode well for the average car.
[15:15] <Ian_> A trained capuchine would be dead handy for tree recoveries.
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[15:20] <fsphil> or an axe
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[15:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034058017809_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4058017809_chase
[15:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031g1zc5eb1a4118440_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1g1zc5eb1a4118440_chase
[15:24] <daveake> I guess someone dropped their phone when entering the chase car id
[15:24] <Ben-AstroSoc> nah, it's icelandic
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[16:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> anyone here ever used bluetooth devices under linux?
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> I'm having "fun" - cat: /dev/rfcomm12: Device or resource busy
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> Step 0.
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> Make sure the tutorial you are using is the right version of the bluez* or whatever
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[17:40] <napili> ahalo*8
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[17:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE6LAU-10 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE6LAU-10
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[20:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GIQ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GIQ-11
[20:43] <SM0ULC-Reb>
[20:53] <ES5TF> Quick status update about IP2 - it's still in the woods, hanging at the top of the tree..
[20:54] <ES5TF> Guys decided to go tomorrow for recovery attempt #2, with better equipment ;-)
[20:55] <ES5TF> Fortunately it is in well maintained forest, nice short walk in the wilderness :)
[20:57] <michal_f> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gWEsNL-RJc best equipment for balloons hanging off trees
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[21:02] <exocat> Hi
[21:03] <exocat> Could someone clarify how RTTY encoding works? Say I wanted to send "ABC", is it just a case of converting the ASCII binary values into two tones (one for 0, the other for 1) and then transmitting that?
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> RS232 format, then tones.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> (it's not actually RTTY)
[21:05] <exocat> ah ok!
[21:07] <exocat> May I ask what the stop bits are?
[21:07] <Vaizki> stop and start bits are used for synchronization
[21:08] <Vaizki> so a start bit is what the receiver syncs to and then receives the data bits.. and then stop bits are just something to send before the next start
[21:09] <Vaizki> and at the end of your transmission if you don't have anything to send, just keep sending that stop bit..
[21:10] <Vaizki> I mean on a balloon of course. because you will soon be sending another sentence of data
[21:11] <exocat> is that at the end of the entire transmission or after every character?
[21:12] <Vaizki> well both.. at then end of every character you have 1, 1.5 or 2 stop bits (just send mark tone for 1-2 symbol lengths) .. but you if that was the last character, just keep sending it
[21:12] <Vaizki> -you
[21:13] <Vaizki> RTTY used to be sent by human operators from a keyboard.. and telex.. etc.. so your characters didn't always come out back-to-back
[21:14] <Vaizki> so to fill the "idle" time, just send mark tone
[21:14] <exocat> oh that makes sense
[21:15] <Vaizki> of course if you have a microcontroller or raspi sending, it can rattle out the whole sentence and just use 1 or 2 stop bits for each char and move right to the next one
[21:15] <exocat> yeah, that's the plan
[21:16] <Vaizki> but don't turn off the transmitter after the sentence, just keep sending mark.. so the listening software (dl-fldigi) can track that and is ready for your space tone which is the start bit
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[21:17] <ES5TF> Michal_f, good idea :-p
[21:17] <exocat> gotcha
[21:17] <ES5TF> . o O ( maybe we could use bachelor students instead? )
[21:17] <exocat> thanks very much Vaizki and SpeedEvil
[21:19] <michal_f> ES5TF, starve him first, he'll be more efficient :)
[21:19] <Vaizki> exocat: but it's really serial data as SpeedEvil said.. especially since we don't use the "traditional" rtty formats with 5 data bits, 1.5 stop bits etc
[21:21] <Vaizki> you can connect a NTX2 radio to a microcontoller TTL serial port with a voltage divider + dc bias and just let the onboard UART do the work of generating mark/space 0s and 1s .. and the NTX2B will transmit on 2 different frequencies based on the stream of bits.
[21:22] <ES5TF> :-p
[21:23] <Ian_> A few years ago reported in the Straits Times a monkey hopped off a wall onto a passing man's shoulders and proceeded to twist his head off . . . nasty strain was had. What an experience eh? Ninja coconut monkeys! I hope you marked the tree.
[21:23] <exocat> okay cool
[21:23] <ES5TF> but thank you for all the participants who helped with IP2 flight registration, reception.. and who just kept their thumbs for us :-)
[21:23] <exocat> Ill look into that!
[21:24] <ES5TF> Yeah, coordinates are there..
[21:24] <ES5TF> See you next time, good night!
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[21:25] <Ian_> exocat, the rtty receiver's job is fully done after the last data bit. The transmitter sends the stop bits to give the receiver time to recover in the event of timing issues, largely introduced by the transmission medium (line or radio path)
[21:26] <Ian_> With a longer stop length between characters if a garble occurs then the receiver has a slightly better chance of recovering synchronism in a shorter time.
[21:27] <exocat> ah ok
[21:28] <Ian_> Make sense to you?
[21:29] <exocat> yes thanks
[21:29] <Ian_> Imagine if the start bit was missed because of a noise burst. The next spacing transition would be interpreted as the start bit and a garble ensues.
[21:29] <exocat> yeah, acts like a reference point "if you havent seen me, you're starting in the wrong place"
[21:31] <Ian_> Best if for any reason you do turn off the transmitter to radiate a steady holding mark for at least one or two character lengths before transmitting data and at the end to observe the holding mark for a short while also. In most balloon flights just keep the tx on as already advised.
[21:31] <Vaizki> except start and stop bits look just like data bits (they are basically 0 and 1)
[21:32] <Vaizki> so with one stop bit and a steady progression of characters not so sure how easy it would be to resync between characters if you miss the first start
[21:32] <Ian_> Not very possible at all
[21:33] <exocat> :/
[21:33] <Ian_> On ship shore rtty links it was not uncommon to type lots of letter shifts while thinking about the next word to transmit, just to keep the reciever margin up
[21:33] <exocat> I was thinking of going for 7 bits, no parity and 2 stop bits, does that seem reasonable from your experiences?
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[21:34] <Ian_> If you don't need 8 bits for pictures etc. You have a good choice in 7n2. It also makes the maths easy ten bits per character . . . :)
[21:35] <exocat> nice :)
[21:35] <Ian_> Enjoy!
[21:35] <exocat> and calculating the baud rate is data transfer rate * number of bits, correct?
[21:35] <Vaizki> the UKHAS sentence formatt has a CCITT CRC in the end which handles "parity" for you on a sentence level
[21:36] <fsphil> baud rate *is* the data transfer rate
[21:37] <Vaizki> yes baud rate = symbol rate and each symbol in this case is just a bit (2 states).. so 10 bits = 10 symbols.. and if you send at 5 characters per seconds thats 50 symbols per sec = 50 baud
[21:37] <exocat> gotcha
[21:37] <exocat> thanks very much, I didnt realise there was a nice UKHAS protocol :D
[21:37] <Vaizki> people mix up baud and bits per second because if you send 1 bit per symbol it's kinda the same thing
[21:37] <exocat> also the wiki page for it is very good
[21:38] <fsphil> gotta have a standard :)
[21:38] <exocat> :)
[21:38] <Vaizki> like the old 300baud modems were also 300bps
[21:38] <exocat> okay, I need to be heading off now
[21:38] <Vaizki> but when we got past 1200bps, the symbol rate didin't rise so fast
[21:38] <Vaizki> we just got more bits per symbol
[21:38] <exocat> Thanks again to everyone for your patience, I appreciate it a lot. :D
[21:38] <Vaizki> like DVB-T can do 64 bits per symbol :)
[21:39] <Ian_> Enough for one session! :)
[21:39] <exocat> cya ;)
[21:39] <Vaizki> hey I like to rant
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[21:40] <Ian_> Preaching the basics. I was always amazed at the number of communicators that didn't actually come out of the back end of a tape reader.
[21:41] <Ian_> e e e amazed at the number of communicators that didn't appreciate what actually came out of the back of a tape reader.
[21:41] <Ian_> I think I missed a start bit there somehow :)
[21:41] <Vaizki> yea I lost sync
[21:41] <Ian_> Freudian slip perhaps?
[21:42] <Vaizki> freudian fading
[21:42] <Ian_> Alas, more like a brain fart at this end
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[21:48] <Vaizki> we should move to 3FSK and reserve one frequency for stop bits ;)
[21:48] <Vaizki> I think I need sleep my brain is wandering...
[21:48] <bradfirj> Apply to OFCOM for some spectrum and do wideband FSK ;)
[21:48] <bradfirj> We only need what, £3m?
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[22:02] <OZ7EMA> Hi anyone used the RFGA2012 for APRS amplification? Thanks!
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