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[06:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HS1JAN-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HS1JAN-11
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[08:20] <pb0ahx> !flights
[08:20] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Argo 2 10(59d1)
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[08:21] <pb0ahx> !dial 59d1
[08:21] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03Argo 2 10(59d1): 030.02 MHz
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[08:49] <daveake> pb0ahx: If you try to rx Argo you'll get naught
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[08:52] <pb0ahx> no but no launch today i can now play with the lora board and i hope fix the problem here
[08:53] <pb0ahx> it must going working
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[10:28] <PE2BZ> !flights
[10:28] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Argo 2 10(59d1)
[10:28] <PE2BZ> !payload 59d1
[10:28] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03Argo 2 10(59d1) 03$$ARGO2 - no transmissions
[10:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOTAFLIGHT after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NOTAFLIGHT
[10:32] <manterolat> On our way to the launch site
[10:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03QM-SkyPi-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=QM-SkyPi-1
[10:33] <manterolat> Launch will be in about 3 hours
[10:33] <PE2BZ> mantelorat where are you located ?
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[10:35] <manterolat> Right now we're in Panama City
[10:36] <PE2BZ> manterolat That´s to far from the EU Good luck !
[10:36] <manterolat> Yep, it is :P Thanks!
[10:37] <manterolat> It's our 5th launch in Panama. Second launch with a radio tracker (before it was SPOT)
[10:37] <PE2BZ> Let it float and I ´ll receive it ;-)
[10:38] <manterolat> That would be a cool project for a future launch
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[10:47] <DL7AD> hi
[10:47] <manterolat> Currently going over the Panama Canal
[10:47] <manterolat> hi
[10:48] <Vaizki> whee
[10:48] <Vaizki> on bridge of the americas?
[10:49] <Vaizki> where are you launching from?
[10:49] <PE2BZ> GM Sven
[10:49] <DL7AD> PE2BZ: hi
[10:50] <DL7AD> PE2BZ: we fly an ssdv ballon at an exhibition in kassel (germany)
[10:50] <manterolat> Vaizki: Yep. We're launching from Rio Hato
[10:50] <PE2BZ> DL7AD When ?
[10:50] <DL7AD> now
[10:50] <Vaizki> manterolat: hmm ok.. so wind is northward?
[10:51] <Vaizki> you will land in El Valle :)
[10:51] <manterolat> West, mostly. So it will land near the flat lands
[10:51] <manterolat> That would be an interesting recovery...
[10:52] <Vaizki> ah right
[10:52] <Vaizki> i have never been that far, only been to El Valle
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[10:56] <manterolat_> Vaizki: Last launch we had to go to Santiago because of wind :/
[10:58] <Vaizki> well good luck with your flight :)
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANU - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANU
[10:58] <manterolat_> Thank you!
[10:59] <Vaizki> it suddenly started snowing like crazy here :O
[10:59] <Vaizki> with lightning and hail included
[11:00] <fsphil> envy
[11:00] <fsphil> it's nice and sunny here. awful
[11:01] <number10> fsphil: you need to move to siberia
[11:01] <fsphil> or tornado alley
[11:02] <number10> do a chasing holiday
[11:03] <Vaizki> well we had spring going on strong
[11:03] <Vaizki> +10 temps and sunshine, snow melted away a month ago
[11:04] <Vaizki> now my garden is covered in snow and more coming down continuously
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[11:05] <fsphil> forecast has snow here on monday. but it won't be much, probably melt soon as it lands
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[11:20] <manterolat_> Question, what percentage helium do you guys have in your tanks? Ours say at least 80% helium
[11:22] <adamgreig> 99.999% for me, it's quite pure
[11:22] <adamgreig> CP grade
[11:22] <manterolat_> Wow, you must be a scientist
[11:22] <manterolat_> :p
[11:23] <adamgreig> it's a bit unnecessary
[11:23] <manterolat_> Must be pretty expensive
[11:23] <adamgreig> depends who you know
[11:23] <adamgreig> in practice "balloon gas" is fine
[11:23] <manterolat_> Would you say >80% is OK?
[11:23] <adamgreig> yes
[11:24] <manterolat_> Ah good, thanks
[11:25] <mfa298> I think there might have been something on the list a year or two about different percentages of gas with some maths if you want a trawl back
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[11:25] <mfa298> unless that was on IRC in which case trawling the logs is harder
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[11:26] <Laurenceb__> from the lift people get I doubt any of this gas is really 80%, probably no worse than 90 or even 95%
[11:27] <manterolat_> Probably just a minimum the company puts on the tanks then
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[11:29] <mfa298> quite likely, very few are going to complain if they get more helium than expected, and a lower value gives them more flexibiltiy
[11:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[12:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ
[13:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ-11
[13:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ARGO2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ARGO2
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[13:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0ICX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0ICX-11
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[13:32] <Hix> anyone wise in the ways of RF?
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[13:34] <manterolat> About to launch!
[13:36] <mfa298> Hix it might be better to ask the question, RF is a wide area of black magic
[13:38] <Hix> hi mfa298 Got a wireless AP that has poor range, I wondered if adding a 2.4GHz Yagi would increase range. Found continuity between ANT1/2 on PCB and the marked point at 12 o'clock in this image http://i.imgur.com/ODLYfgA.jpg could i solder an SMA on a pigtail to this point and ground?
[13:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI after 0311 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI
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[13:43] <mfa298> it may help a bit although I'm not sure by how much
[13:44] <mfa298> the two antennas are potentially driven by two different parts on the radio (assuming it's doing MIMO)
[13:45] <Hix> but the principle I've got is sound?
[13:46] <mfa298> you might find that just looking at continuity doesn't tell you everything. it look a bit like the antenna tracks are connected to the radio output and ground
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[13:46] <fsphil> might be better just to get an AP with an SMA socket
[13:47] <mfa298> personally I'd probably just do as fsphil suggests, you can get some pretty decent AP's on ebay if you want cheap
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[13:47] <Hix> That's the issue, this one has custom firmware to connect to DSLR for wireless tethering
[13:47] <Hix> not sure it runs on anything else...
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[13:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9EZY-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9EZY-11
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[13:49] <mfa298> if you were adding an sma I think you'd want to cut the tracks for the antennas then connect the centre of the sma to C32 for AN1 and the outside of the sma to the ground plane.
[13:49] <mfa298> you might then need to do similar for AN2 (so two SMAs and two external antennas)
[13:50] <Hix> hmm. So you are saying it uses both antennae?
[13:51] <mfa298> quite possibly, although I'm not sure how it would work if one was the PCB antenna and one was something external
[13:52] <manterolat> Argo 2 is flying, with 2 stations receiving
[13:53] <Hix> I suppose i could try cutting ANT1 and if it doesn't work, I can always solder bridge it back
[13:53] <mfa298> the first step to possibly try is just move the AP to a different location and see if that improves things. sometimes a small change makes a big difference
[13:54] <fsphil> can you put a yagi on the RX side?
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[13:54] <Ben___> Hello.
[13:54] <Hix> I've got another AP with an SMA so I could use that for the RX
[13:55] <Hix> Ha! Looking closely at ANT1 there is no cap at C32, so it can only be using ANT2
[14:04] <Hix> there, better image - http://i.imgur.com/QshTgQ5.jpg
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[14:05] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/0SRzC4n.jpg
[14:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC8SIR-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC8SIR-1
[14:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1RCA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1RCA-11
[14:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1rca-11_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1rca-11_chase
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[14:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE5LWQ-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE5LWQ-8
[14:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE5LWQ-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE5LWQ-13
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[14:48] <vitruvian> Hi, on fldigi my port/audio input won't change from the built in microphone even when I am using a virtual sound card. Does anyone know how to fix this. I am on mac os. Thanks!
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[14:49] <daveake> Odd. You've selected the virtual device on DL-Fldigi setup?
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[14:52] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> vitruvian: try Soundflower
[15:00] <vitruvian> daveake: Where do I find that? The only other option in the sound card->devices is "file i/o only"
[15:01] <vitruvian> Mike: I was using Loopback, is soundflower better?
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[15:02] <DL7AD> hi
[15:08] <SM0ULC-Reb> hi all
[15:08] <SM0ULC-Reb> cool with new flight from panama :)
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[15:17] <mfa298> vitruvian: soundflower got suggested after you left last night
[15:17] <mfa298> 22:53 < amell> he needs to install Soundflower on a mac
[15:17] <mfa298> 22:55 < amell> https://github.com/mattingalls/Soundflower
[15:19] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> vitruvian: or u can simply just loopa a 3.5 - 3.5mm cable from mic to earphone
[15:20] <vitruvian> mfa298:thanks for the link Ill give that a go and let you know how it goes.
[15:22] <SM0ULC-Reb> vitruvian: i run it quite a lot, works great
[15:22] <vitruvian> Mike: Unfortunately I only have a audio output jack. Although what was working the other day was just turning up the volume and using the speakers in the computer for the fldigi input.
[15:23] <vitruvian> But it obviously isn't a sound solution
[15:23] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> :) thats one way to do it, have to one time hunting for a hab, recorded the audio with a phone and mailed it and decoded it at home
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[15:27] <vitruvian> mike: sounds legitimate enough!
[15:28] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike|2: we will probably not launch tomorrow because the weather is not good enough
[15:29] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> same as here then, verry windy, heavy clouds but no rain
[15:30] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> home from the ham fere?
[15:30] <DL7AD> no
[15:30] <DL7AD> have a look on ssdv
[15:31] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ok :)4
[15:31] <DL7AD> SA6BSS-Mike|2: we are on the autobahn
[15:31] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> cool
[15:36] <manterolat> We are following a rogue balloon...
[15:37] <manterolat> The prediction doesn't seem to track it very well at the moment :P
[15:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD9DBI-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9DBI-11
[15:38] <SM0ULC-Reb> DL7AD: a rogue balloon? :)
[15:39] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> no, its the panama one
[15:39] <DL7AD> SM0ULC-Reb: i will be back soon
[15:39] <DL7AD> we are at burger king
[15:40] <manterolat> Yep, Argo 2 is doing some loopty-loops
[15:40] <SM0ULC-Reb> check the ssdv for chili whopper
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[15:52] <vitruvian> thanks for the help everything is working great.
[15:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ut3bw-9_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ut3bw-9_chase
[16:04] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> good to hear!
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[16:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP-11
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[16:30] <DL7AD> SM0ULC-Reb: back
[16:31] <DL7AD> the internet connection is very poor
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[16:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kj4cqq-car - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kj4cqq-car
[16:42] <SM0ULC-Reb> KC8SIR is going down very slow.. 3m/s..
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[17:02] <Ian_> The pictures from the autobhan are nice and clear, consistently from the middle lane . . . :)
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[17:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL1NBR-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1NBR-11
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[17:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kj4cqq_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kj4cqq_chase
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[18:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[18:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[18:15] <PE2BZ> Hi. Any plans for a launch from Birmingham in the early morning tomorrow ?
[18:16] <PE2BZ> There´s a notam for tomorrow with tight timing, between 05:00 and 05:30 UTC
[18:17] <PE2BZ> from Selly Park, Birmingham
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[18:25] <daveake> Probably not a radio tracker
[18:28] <PE2BZ> it´s mentioned as met balloon but not with radiosonde. Associated equipment will descent by parachute...
[18:28] <PE2BZ> Hope it´s not Humvees
[18:28] <daveake> The notams never mention radio or otherwise
[18:28] <PE2BZ> for HAB you mean ?
[18:29] <daveake> met balloon notams always have the same format. They don't mention the tracking. They sometimes include restrictions, but otherwise the format is always the same.
[18:31] <PE2BZ> For meteo quite often sonde or radiosonde is mentioned, but I have never seen a notam for a HAB flight. I specially take notice of the BAE146 flights where is mentioned wether or not sondes are being dropped.
[18:32] <PE2BZ> But still busy to learn the Notam settings. Get an RSS feed now, but only from the country I select. Not from the area on the map I select. For now, I search for QWL and find most of the balloon launches.
[18:32] <daveake> For the UK at least, the met office balloons don't have notams.
[18:38] <PE2BZ> I noticed indeed, but for the meteo balloons from uncommon locations they sometimes do. But I record the 6 MHz between 400 and 406 so I will see if anything came up around Birmingham in the morning ;-)
[18:39] <daveake> Why? If it uses radio it'll almost certainly be 434
[18:40] <PE2BZ> I am trying to record a LMS6 radiosonde and sometimes they seem to be launched from military locations in the UK.
[18:42] <PE2BZ> If it is a HAB it will also ake about 1 hour before it gets in range, and I listen live from home to the HAB´s. I have a bandpass @403 MHz at my work SDR which is at 27 meter ASL but in an RF crowded place.
[18:43] <daveake> It's a park, not a military location
[18:44] <daveake> There's a hospice nearby; not a common location for the military
[18:45] <PE2BZ> That made it strange.... But half an hour is very uncommon for a Notam I would say. But we´ll see tomorrow if anything went airborne...
[18:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[18:46] <PE2BZ> Enjoy the evening / weekend, I am away for today. Bye
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[18:47] <daveake> Half an hour because Birmingham airport is close
[18:47] <daveake> too late
[19:01] Action: Matt_PrjHet head hits keyboard
[19:01] <Matt_PrjHet> I made so much of a hash of the upgrade yesterday my pits wont see GPS or Transmit anything... I think now it's time to start again from scratch.
[19:02] <daveake> Not sure how that's possible, but probably it's easier to reflash and start again rather than figure it out
[19:04] <Matt_PrjHet> I tried the gitclone etc
[19:04] <Matt_PrjHet> No joy
[19:10] <Matt_PrjHet> :*|
[19:10] <Matt_PrjHet> OMG
[19:11] <Matt_PrjHet> Tell you how it might be possible
[19:11] <Matt_PrjHet> (Not using the GPIO extender on the B because it's still on the A)
[19:12] <Matt_PrjHet> I'll get back in my dumbass box now. Sorry to interrupt.
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[19:31] <daveake> Nice one :)
[19:32] Action: daveake updates customer cockup list
[19:32] Action: daveake onto page 2 now
[19:37] <daveake> I've done the same tbh ... wonder why there's no RF when it's a bare board and the pits is on another pi on the network
[19:38] Action: Matt_Project_Hel glad to further science in my own 'special' way :s
[19:39] Nick change: Matt_Project_Hel -> Matt_PrjHet
[19:41] <Matt_PrjHet> I saw in the boot it says PITS+ Board so I thought it was connected. Then I disconnected it and it still said it. The special penny dropped...
[19:44] <daveake> It tests the Pi model to decide if it's PITS+ or PITS
[19:45] <daveake> Suppose I could add a "board missing you eejit" message :)
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[19:59] <Matt_PrjHet> I was going to say connected/disconnected maybe but in light of interrupting your Saturday night... :*)
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[22:12] <Mengele> rocket ships are a hoax
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[22:20] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[22:20] <DL7AD> hi
[22:21] <DL7AD> SM0ULC-Reb SA6BSS-Mike|2 we are back in berlin :D
[22:21] <Mengele> hello
[22:26] <Mengele> von braun was a hoaxer and made toy model rockets
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[22:39] <Laurenceb__> the earth is concave
[22:39] <Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth#Concave_hollow_Earths
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[22:47] <daveake> I suspect this idea came from someone who modelled it on the structure of the inside of his head
[23:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHANGEME - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW0Zb5gY0HA&list=PLlz6vPVcwFf541g_zlgTwkSNrB0NBr9GE&index=1 - not very related but interesting.
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> Alternative to 'planet 9' to explain clustering of outer minor planets.
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> If there is ~1Me or so of minor planets, they can self-cluster with self-gravitation
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> this also pumps down the eccentricity driving up perihelion and moving them out
[23:12] <arko> damn i missing hab's now
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