highaltitude.log.20160415

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[02:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HAB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2HAB-11
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[04:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KA5AHS-11 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KA5AHS-11
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[05:24] <SM0ULC-Reb> morning!
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[05:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ3DVQ-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ3DVQ-11
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[09:02] <qyx> mhm, what is SP6NVB-11?
[09:02] <qyx> is it continuously transmitting at 403MHz?
[09:06] <gonzo___> that callsign look more like naprs
[09:06] <gonzo___> aprs
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[09:14] <PB0AHX-Herman> !flights
[09:14] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX-Herman: Current flights: 03PICO-23 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(ddfe)
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[10:12] <criticalmass> Morning campers
[10:12] <craag> morning
[10:13] <criticalmass> I'm on and off of this quite a lot at the moment. Keep forgetting that my IRCCloud trial has run out and I have to keep re-joining 😄
[10:14] <criticalmass> Finished the build of by tracker board a couple of weeks ago.
[10:14] <criticalmass> Can't get it to work though.
[10:14] <craag> Ah :/ whats the problem?
[10:15] <criticalmass> I built an instructable project.
[10:15] <craag> ah yes, that's a common problem :P
[10:15] <fsphil> haha
[10:15] <fsphil> I read that as indestructable at first
[10:15] <mfa298> rofl (almost literally)
[10:16] <mfa298> although I think I remember you posting the link to it before and it was a reasonable guide
[10:16] <criticalmass> I'm crying, not laughing lol The designer used a v4 uBlox GPS card from Upu but I bought a v6.
[10:17] <criticalmass> The sketch doesn't seem to parse the GPS data and I don't have enough programming knowledge to fix it.
[10:17] <mfa298> if your board has the max8 on it I think the NMEA sentences changed slightly
[10:18] <mfa298> somethign like GPGLL -> GNGLL
[10:18] <criticalmass> Getting great telemetry on my SDR which is all formed correctly but just lots of 9.99999 etc
[10:18] <criticalmass> Ah, ok
[10:19] <criticalmass> Is that I parameter that needs to change in the sketch or in the gps library?
[10:19] <mfa298> depends on where it's parsing the nmea strings
[10:21] <criticalmass> Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, my programming knowledge is quite dire :-(
[10:22] <mfa298> it's well worth trying to understand what the code is doing, then when things don't work you've got some idea where to look to fix it
[10:22] <criticalmass> I built the tracker with the intention of getting it done and in the air as soon as possible. Which is why I didn't learn to code first and adopted somebody else's. Now I'm in a bit of a pickle :-)
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[10:27] <fsphil> the joys of using other peoples code
[10:27] <fsphil> it's often simpler just to write your own
[10:27] <craag> Dave and Anthony have some good guides on getting started with the basics of the programming
[10:27] <craag> such as gps parsing and rtty transmission
[10:29] <criticalmass> Cheers guys, much appreciated. I'll take a look.
[10:30] <fsphil> even if you don't write from scratch it can help you see how the code flows
[10:31] <criticalmass> Understood
[10:31] <daveake> s/Dave and// ... I didn't do them :)
[10:32] <criticalmass> I do want to learn how to code but time is a real killer for me atm. Just don't have any.
[10:33] <criticalmass> Are these guides on the HAB wiki?
[10:33] <mfa298> there's some on there and some bits on upu's blog
[10:34] <mfa298> in most cases the way to learn and get somethign working is start with something simple then build on it a bit at a time.
[10:39] <criticalmass> Understood
[10:41] <mfa298> and ask lots of questions when you're not sure, people here are generally happy to help with people trying to learn.
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[10:44] <criticalmass> Well I was going to be sorting the garden this afternoon, but the weather is a bit crap. As long as my wife has no other plans for me, I may well start my Arduino programming journey today.
[10:47] <gonzo_> no garden talk here! it's not 80mtrs
[10:51] Action: fsphil would like a robotic lawn mower
[10:53] <mfa298> I wonder how easily you could mod a roomba
[10:54] <AndyEsser> mfa298: Ben Heck did it once on his show
[10:54] <AndyEsser> I think they publish the spec for controlling it
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[10:55] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> qyx: that sp6nvb-11 is a wheather sonde, ucan decode it with sondemonitor, they are sent up all over the world at 00 & 12 utc, the tx their gps coord. so u can se it on google earth and if it lands close iu can pic it up
[10:56] <craag> Yeah Denis' "mobile & secure systems" module at soton involves being given a roomba and reprogramming it
[10:56] <craag> Doing basic vision line/ball following and such
[10:57] <craag> At one point with rpi+cam
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[10:57] <qyx> SA6BSS-Mike|2: aha, I was curious why does it transmit at 403MHz, that's a good reason
[10:59] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> it uses a script to show it on aprs.fi and are then automaticly transfered to hbhub trackert
[11:00] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> sp6nvb using a script
[11:00] <gonzo_> 403MHz ish, is the met-sonde band
[11:01] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> http://www.radiosonde.eu/RS02/RS02C.html launch sites europa
[11:02] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> they drop close 10-15 times a year, fun go fox hunting for
[11:11] <daey> are people fox hunting these daily launched weather balloons?
[11:12] <Darkside> some people are
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[11:13] <Darkside> i do it occasionally
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[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03L4350301 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=L4350301
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[12:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5MG-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5MG-11
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[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03INFINITY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INFINITY
[12:52] <Geopatra> test
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[12:53] <fsphil> pass
[12:57] <lz1dev> .dial SP5MG-11
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03SP5MG-11 is over APRS. 144.8Mhz EU/Russia/Africa, 144.39Mhz USA, 144.64Mhz China
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[13:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0ZTV-3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0ZTV-3
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[13:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EPOPKW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EPOPKW_chase
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[14:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANI
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[14:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Zew Przestworzy_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Zew%20Przestworzy_chase
[14:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE8DNE - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE8DNE
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[14:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0ZTV-4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0ZTV-4
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[15:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0NMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0NMG-11
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[15:13] <mumber10> I see steve has 3000g Hwoyee - has anyone flown one
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[15:17] <mfa298> I think edmoore and/or some of CUSF might have (or at least some of the other larger balloons)
[15:17] <mfa298> as I understand it the larger balloons probably only really make sense for heavier payloads
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[15:19] <Ian_> What size balloons do Steve and Dave predominantly fly?
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[15:20] <Ian_> rocketboy and daveake ^^
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[15:22] <mfa298> I think thats partly a functon of payload weight, although I think >1600 is rare.
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[15:26] <edmoore> mumber10: have flown a few aye
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[15:26] <edmoore> oh not a hwoyee
[15:26] <edmoore> just a totex
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[15:39] <mumber10> must have been a large payload edmoore
[15:39] <edmoore> as you know
[15:40] <edmoore> have done some smaller payloads with them too
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[15:40] <edmoore> back when 35km was altitude-record territory
[15:40] <edmoore> before hwoyees
[15:40] <edmoore> they didn't work especially better - the burst diameter seemed quite variable on them
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[16:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NM5SS-10 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NM5SS-10
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[16:49] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> ve3kcl entering the bay of biscay
[16:50] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> qrp lab version of balloon wspr tx http://hanssummers.com/balloons
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[17:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03X0 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
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[17:46] <DL7AD> ping fsphil
[17:46] <DL7AD> fsphil: look ssdv
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[17:50] <edmoore> DL7AD: i have seen image 4 before
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[17:50] <edmoore> http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/james-bond-blofeld.jpg
[17:50] <edmoore> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-04-15--17-43-45-DL7AD-56DE.jpeg?u=334
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[17:57] <Upu> lol
[17:57] <Upu> uncanny
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[18:01] <fsphil> DL7AD: nice!
[18:01] <daveake> 00Sven
[18:02] <SM0ULC-Reb> zero coke.. ;)
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[18:05] <DL7AD> :D
[18:05] <DL7AD> cheers
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[18:13] <fsphil> so much better than that awful ov9655
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[18:43] <DL7AD> fsphil: yep. i also like the OV2640
[18:44] <DL7AD> we will maybe launch this one next weekend (in 8 days)
[18:44] <DL7AD> from kassel (germany)
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[19:16] <amell> yay, finally i get to receive some lora
[19:17] <amell> only problem is steves flight is happening when i am out, not sure how frequency accurate my lora is. will it need tuning?
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[19:19] <amell> rocketboy: Ill leave it on and listening, if it works, it works&
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[19:32] <amell> hmm. what lora mode does xaben94 use?
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[19:34] <daveake> Steve gave all the settings in his email
[19:35] <amell> yep. just trying to match the settings to a mode in gateway.txt
[19:35] <criticalmass> Evening all
[19:36] <daveake> The modes and individual settings are all described in my gateway's readme https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway
[19:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> probably a long shot but is anyone within ~45 minutes drive of Birmingham planning a launch by the end of next week?
[19:36] <amell> duh. missed that :) its mode 0
[19:37] <criticalmass> Anyone got any idea what NMEA standard the uBlox Max-M8 chip uses?
[19:37] <OZ7EMA> i am ben
[19:37] <criticalmass> Can't seem to find it in any of the data sheets
[19:37] <fsphil> nmea *is* the standard :) (probably not the answer you wanted)
[19:37] <Ben-AstroSoc> OZ7EMA: can i PM you?
[19:37] <OZ7EMA> one second
[19:37] <amell> Explicit, 20.8k, SF11, EC4:8 LDRO
[19:38] <amell> the LDRO is that enabled - its not totally clear
[19:38] <OZ7EMA> i am not planning a luanch just read the second part
[19:38] <criticalmass> Cheers fsphil, I was under the impression there are different revisions
[19:38] <Ben-AstroSoc> ah, no problem
[19:38] <fsphil> variations perhaps
[19:38] <OZ7EMA> sorry
[19:39] <Ben-AstroSoc> no worries
[19:39] <daveake> The GPxxx / GNxxx caught a few decoders out, but otherwise it varies very little
[19:39] <amell> left AFC on, hopefully it picks up XABEN94
[19:39] <Ben-AstroSoc> was having trouble tracking down a freezer that goes low enough (but not too low) to test our board in and wasn't coming up wiht much
[19:39] <criticalmass> Well it look slike I was looking at the wrong data sheets. Thanks daveake
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[19:41] <criticalmass> daveake, that does help, thank you :-)
[19:44] <amell> UON2 launching tomorrow at Elmsworth (lat: 52.2135 lon: 0.0964 alt: 22000M)
[19:44] <amell> I suspect there are two errors in that entry
[19:45] <daveake> Not sure why the flight doc page asks for altitude
[19:46] <daveake> Target altitude would actually be useful
[19:46] <RocketBoy> and ascent and descent rates
[19:46] <amell> Im all set up. just need to background the gateway. if anyones watching the flight, id be interested to know if it picks it up on the ground.
[19:47] <amell> usually i can just about pick up rtty when its out the car boot, so be interested if lora is better in that respect.
[19:48] <amell> obviously if its out on frequency, all is lost.
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[20:55] <Ben-AstroSoc> looking like we might be able to backpack on a flight to test the board out
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[21:42] <Vaizki> Ben-AstroSoc: ooo backup trackering.. nice
[21:44] <Ben-AstroSoc> yep, wanna see if it works without losing eveyrthing if it doesn't - we planned to use a freezer etc to test it but the only ones we could get access to weren't able to go above -80
[21:44] <Ben-AstroSoc> which woul dhave probably killed our board
[21:46] <Vaizki> you don't have a freezer at home?
[21:47] <Ben-AstroSoc> sure, doesn't go anywhere near -40 tho
[21:47] <Vaizki> well neither does the temperature inside the payload if you have some linear regulators etc normal stuff to pump heat into the enclosure?
[21:48] <Vaizki> -80 is a bit hardcore I admit :)
[21:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> i suppose, wanted to test the worst case tho
[21:49] <Ben-AstroSoc> the school of life and helath sciences were like yeah you can come and use our freezers but we cna't turn them hgiher else all of their proteins break down
[21:49] <Vaizki> well it was -58 outside just a while ago on my flight from London to Helsinki
[21:49] <Ben-AstroSoc> or someting
[21:49] <Vaizki> hehe
[21:50] <Vaizki> so your payload is going to be on an extra 3-5m of string chained to the "main" payload?
[21:50] <Vaizki> or how does that piggybacking work?
[21:53] <Ben-AstroSoc> not worked that out yet, we may be able to mount the board in the main payload
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[22:11] <daveake> Usually it would be independent, in its own package. No chance then of it interfering with the main tracker.
[22:12] <Ian_> The problem with that option is that it might introduce proximity issues and so skew the results. Better to be a separate package in the balloon train.
[22:12] <Ian_> Sorry Dave ^^
[22:12] <Ben-AstroSoc> gotcha
[22:12] <Ben-AstroSoc> will sort out a small box
[22:12] <Vaizki> or your buggy power supply section overloads the GPS of both packages :)
[22:13] <Ian_> That's worst case, but always a possibility - no return invite :(
[22:13] <daveake> On one of my flights, Upu had his own tracker but at the last minute slapped a camera onto the outside of mine ...
[22:13] <daveake> ... and that was the last time mine worked during the flight :/
[22:13] <Vaizki> uh oh
[22:13] <Vaizki> one of those chinese keyfob cams?
[22:14] <daveake> Not keyfob, but probably the same inside
[22:14] <Vaizki> right
[22:14] <Ian_> No bacon butty for upu that day then
[22:14] <Ben-AstroSoc> pffft
[22:14] <daveake> Curryhouse iirc
[22:14] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'll source a small foam box, ought to do it for the test run
[22:15] <Vaizki> so just Phaal for Upu then
[22:15] <daveake> Hobbycraft do some small rectangular ones
[22:15] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[22:15] <daveake> Any reasonably sized tracker will fit
[22:15] <Ben-AstroSoc> yep
[22:16] <Ben-AstroSoc> i breifly checked amazon and it's all kebab boxes
[22:16] <Ben-AstroSoc> jeez
[22:17] <Vaizki> that'd be a sight.. just write "WE DELIVER!" on it
[22:17] <Ben-AstroSoc> post-flight bacon sarnie
[22:17] <Ben-AstroSoc> also defuses the guy who's greenhouse you put it through
[22:19] <mfa298> next you just need to convert the kebab box into a solar cooker so you can send up bacon and have it returned suitably cooked
[22:19] <daveake> Hobbycraft usually have 2-3 of them. Unless I've visited recently in which case they have zero.
[22:19] <Ben-AstroSoc> they've got none online, i'll see if i can get to the one near us
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[22:22] <mfa298> failing that you'll have to carve a suitable slot in a penguin/egg/owl
[22:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> hwo well dyou reckon one of those mug packing boxes would work if i duck-taped it up
[22:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> they're properly small
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[22:22] <Ian_> Buy yourself a balti and then re-cycle the remains
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[22:24] <Ben-AstroSoc> got some L91's on the way too
[22:24] <Ben-AstroSoc> which reminds me i need a rack for them
[22:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> which reminds me being able to read the voltage from them would be nice for the next version
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[22:31] <daveake> Still working on my chase-car Pi ... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgHdtSNWEAAAtjV.jpg:large
[22:32] <Ben-AstroSoc> that's very star trek inspired
[22:32] <Vaizki> still keeping with the theme :)
[22:32] <daveake> absolutely
[22:32] <daveake> hence it's called lcars.py
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> i like it
[22:33] <daveake> not added the sound effects yet :)
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:33] <Ben-AstroSoc> if the balloon isn't called KHAAAAN i'm disappointed
[22:33] <daveake> you fly it I'll track it
[22:33] <Ben-AstroSoc> >_>
[22:34] <daveake> So far it has lora reception, local gps, batc upload, car upload and voice-directed navigation to the payload
[22:34] <daveake> SSDV viewing
[22:35] <Vaizki> what's batc...
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[22:35] <daveake> amateur tv
[22:35] <Vaizki> ah
[22:35] <daveake> They have a streaming service
[22:35] <daveake> These days so do many others e.g. youtube
[22:35] <Vaizki> oh right for showing the launch live?
[22:36] <daveake> Yes, and the chase too
[22:36] <Vaizki> you could just periscope it, attract new "talent"..
[22:37] <daveake> We get enough idiots find the batc channel; it'd be horrible on periscope
[22:38] <Vaizki> yes sometimes the hoi polloi breaks into our bubble :) .. but I gotta sleep, Heathrow gauntlet and flights were so much fun I'm exhausted
[22:39] <Vaizki> and thank you LHR for selling me a bacon butty..nites&
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> good night from me too!
[22:40] <Ian_> Bet you would rather swap the LHR price and quality points . . . :)
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[22:41] <Ian_> for the bacon butty
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[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
[23:39] <Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/internetofshit
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