highaltitude.log.20160412

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[00:03] <iasinspace> hi all
[00:03] <iasinspace> I am running an experiment on egc.iasinspace.ro where I want to launch a helium balloon and make the first evergreencoin transaction from stratosphere
[00:04] <iasinspace> I am running a crowdfunding campaign and as perks I will send the 3d printed name of my backers up in the stratosphere.
[00:05] <Darkside> so how are you intending on doing the data transfer from the balloon?
[00:05] <Ian_> With great difficulty :)
[00:06] <Darkside> i bet
[00:07] <iasinspace> exactly:) I am now testing with several gprs modems and some high gain antennas
[00:07] <Darkside> er
[00:07] <Darkside> yeeaah
[00:08] <Darkside> they dont work so well above a few km
[00:08] <SpeedEvil> GPRS won't work at all at high altitude
[00:08] <Darkside> as many here have found out
[00:08] <SpeedEvil> It almost certainly won't work at all at 10km
[00:08] <Darkside> cell tower antennas generally point down
[00:08] <Darkside> the idea being thats where the customers are
[00:08] <Laurenceb_> youd really need aprs or some custom datalink
[00:09] <iasinspace> I do have aprs as well
[00:09] <Ian_> How much do you expect to raise from your crowd funding of this project?
[00:09] <Darkside> IP over AX25 is slooow
[00:09] <iasinspace> I am using a baofeng UV-5R
[00:09] <Ian_> APRS = HAM Radio = non-commercial content = no coin transfers
[00:10] <Darkside> yeah i think you should have figured out all the technical issues *before* starting to take peoples money
[00:10] <Darkside> y'know, actually have a deliverable product first
[00:10] <Ian_> Trying to take . . . even that isn't well thought out I suspect
[00:10] <Darkside> but that's just me...
[00:10] <Ian_> +1 Darkside
[00:10] <Darkside> with that, i'm off...
[00:11] <Ian_> Gn or Gm as appropriate
[00:11] <Ian_> Ah Gday :)
[00:11] <Darkside> yup, g'day mate
[00:11] <Darkside> and catch ya later
[00:11] <Ian_> Didn't even make peak viewing hours :)
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[00:13] <SpeedEvil> Also WTFBBQ
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> 'We now have the technology to not only have zero negative impact on our environment from our system of trade but also pay back the environment for the precious resources it provides.
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> I would truly like to know how this ridiculous claim works.
[00:13] <mfa298> if it's being crowd funded you could look at one of the satelitte internet providers, although I don't think the data rates are that great and they're expensive
[00:13] <SpeedEvil> Unless you have some way of ensuring miners are using renewable electricity, you need punched in the face.
[00:15] <Ian_> Just make it unconditional - The PITFace
[00:16] <superkuh> This is all very silly, but, maybe strap a $350 HackRF to the balloon with a 50w PA and band pass then adapt https://github.com/osh/gr-bitcoin to transmit the blockchain yourself.
[00:16] <Ian_> SpeedEvil having a few thoughts are you in sounding board mode?
[00:16] <iasinspace> using bitcoin is tricky as the blockchain is huge
[00:17] <iasinspace> so instead I am using this pos coin
[00:17] <iasinspace> that can run on a raspberry pi2
[00:17] <SpeedEvil> There is no pressing need to do transactions using the full blockchain, there are many other ways
[00:19] <Ian_> At 300 Baud a typical UKHAS message string is typically less than 100characters, which would take <3.5S to transmit
[00:20] <Ian_> given a 5S transmit slot and 1S guard (so generous), a group of GPS controlled TX should be able to utilise up to 10 slots per minute
[00:21] <Ian_> How practical would it be to have a 'naughty frequency' for out of GPS lock transmitters, so that they don't pollute either their own or other group frequencies.
[00:21] <Ian_> ?
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> GPS transmitters aren't a thing.
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> Or shouldn't be.
[00:23] <Ian_> Between four and six HABs could then share a group and between six and four frequencies could service a mass launch of 24 HABs
[00:23] <Ian_> Not GPS transmitters, GPS clock controlled transmissions of standard UKHAS data messages
[00:24] <Ian_> Do I make sense to you?
[00:24] <iasinspace> Yeah, it does now
[00:24] <Ian_> This has nothing to do with coin :)
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[00:26] <Ian_> A way of mass launching from a single location utilising relatively few frequencies and listening stations
[00:27] <SpeedEvil> Not transmitting on lock of lock is reasonable.
[00:27] <SpeedEvil> Unless you can receive a global clock transmitter or soething
[00:28] <Ian_> GPS clock, when in lock as timing source
[00:28] <SpeedEvil> Also - 100 bytes is very, very generous.
[00:28] <mfa298> iasinspace: you could look into the likes of rockblock to be able to get data comms to/from a balloon. It may not be that cheap, but provides a way of having comercial comms between a balloon and ground
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> Balloon ID, interleaved D,M,S - with degree repeating rarely, altitude, volts, ...
[00:29] <iasinspace> thank
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> ten bytes is plenty if that's all you're looking for
[00:31] <Ian_> I'm thinking of four to six HABs sharing a working frequency (in GPS lock condition) and a sacrificial frequency to use when not in lock - when the clock is not reliable
[00:31] <SpeedEvil> At that frequency, simply transmitting randomly aimed at 1/3 stomps may be reasonable
[00:31] <SpeedEvil> too
[00:32] <Ian_> 1/3 stomps?
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[00:34] <astroo-> hello people
[00:35] <iasinspace> hi
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> collisions
[00:38] <SpeedEvil> If your transmissions are 20 bytes long, and you have 6 transmitters, randomly transmitting every ~300 char-times or so will mean most transmissions get through
[00:38] <astroo-> hello
[00:39] <Ian_> I like the idea of all the transmissions from an in lock transmitter get through.
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[00:40] <Ian_> I guess with experience the timing could be made tighter, giving more slots
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[02:58] <astroo-> bye people
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[07:32] <daveake> Morning all
[07:32] <daveake> Interesting convo last night I see, and from his web page ... "I have custom designed a program that will send 5 evergreencoin/5 min straight from a helium ballon using a Raspberry Pi2 platform and a GPS/GPRS modem."
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[08:01] <G3WDI> good morning. I am trying to run dl-fldigi --hab on my pi 3
[08:03] <G3WDI> Plain dl-fldigi runs fine detecting and using the USB sound dongle. But in the --hab version the audio tab is grey out with no sound card detected.
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[09:05] <mfa298> and looking up evergreen coin, he's going to have to do this quickly, they're apparently closing in a few weeks (1st May)
[09:05] <daey> im looking at GPS disciplined oscillators. as far as i understand is, a OCXO is synchronized to the GPS 1hz bursts, by down converting the OCXO ouput frequency to 1hz then aligning them by altering the OCXOs frequency.
[09:05] <daey> how does one alter said frequency?
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[09:18] <SA6BSS-Mike|3> Canadian wspr balloon on its way over, now just south of Iceland, look for ve3kcl on 30m
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[09:25] <daey> SA6BSS-Mike: why is it using the 30m band? is that common overseas?
[09:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> 30m is known for good daytime and night time conditions
[09:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> daey, you use a vari-cap diode to vary the capacitive loading across the xtal that alters its frequency.
[09:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> 20m woud have better range daytime hbut dead in the dark hours, 40m would be the oppiste
[09:28] <daey> SA6BSS-Mike: was just curious why they dont use the 1XXMhz or 433Mhz band
[09:28] <daey> Geoff-G8DHE-M: the vari-cap is connected in series to the oscillator output?
[09:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> normally in parallel to alter the loading
[09:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the vari-cap is directly across the xtal itself.
[09:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> it only have los range, and wspr is what aprs is for 144mhz but for HF
[09:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> big reciver network allways online all over the world
[09:30] <daey> Geoff-G8DHE-M: i could see how that would work with a bare crystal but not with a oscillator modul
[09:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have tracke a hf balloon over 9000km, try do that with a 2m/70cm :)
[09:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah yes not with a module, I thought you were building your own.
[09:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> modules are fixed normally unless they have a control input.
[09:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> with a balloon 10000m range would be like 400km
[09:32] <daey> Geoff-G8DHE-M: no. i was curious if one could build a gpsdo with a ublox module + one of those china ocxo
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[09:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
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[09:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PINT4TIM - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PINT4TIM
[10:02] <dbrooke> daey: I have one of http://www.isotemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Legacy134-10.pdf which I plan to use for a GPSDO; you will see it has a control input.
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[10:06] <FuzzyLemon> Hello. Thank you for the help tracking hermes and valkyrie yesterday. I'm planning on launching 'PINT4TIM' tomorrow at midday
[10:07] <FuzzyLemon> launch site has changed from Westcott to Whitchurch
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[10:30] <j0nnymac> hey there
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[10:32] <craag> hello j0nnymac
[10:32] <craag> hows things?
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[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> daey, Are you really planning on spending 6W to keep just the oscillator stable!
[10:51] <daey> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: just curiosity
[10:52] <j0nnymac> all good thanks buddy
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[11:01] <j0nnymac> hows yourself?
[11:01] <j0nnymac> craag:
[11:03] <craag> good ta! Not had much time for habbing recently but that's not a bad thing :)
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[11:17] <Laurenceb> http://www.nxp.com/products/interface-and-connectivity/wireless-connectivity/sub-1-ghz-wireless-solutions/kinetis-kw0x-48-mhz-sub-1-ghz-radio-ultra-low-power-wireless-microcontrollers-mcus:KW0x
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ5NWI-14 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5NWI-14
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[11:36] <jerry> ? barc
[11:36] <jerry> what is the frequency for BARC?
[11:37] <craag> .payload 995e
[11:37] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:37] <craag> .dial 995e
[11:37] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:38] <craag> .payload 29b7
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Payload 03BARC 10(29b7) 03$$BARC - 03PITS Test - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/910Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:38] <jerry> thanks
[11:38] <craag> jerry: ^^
[11:38] <craag> :)
[11:41] <jerry> .dial 29b7
[11:41] <SpacenearUS> 03jerry: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(29b7): 0310 MHz
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[11:54] <jerry> .dial 2967
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> 03jerry: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:54] <jerry> .dial 29b7
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> 03jerry: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(29b7): 0310 MHz
[11:54] <jerry> .dial BARC
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> 03jerry: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(29b7): none
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[11:59] <pb0ahx> wat is the frequentie off BARC ??
[12:05] <jerry> .payload 29b7
[12:05] <SpacenearUS> 03jerry: Payload 03BARC 10(29b7) 03$$BARC - 03PITS Test - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/910Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[12:09] <Andrew_M0NRD> BARC is 434.4507MHz, 300baud 700Hz shift
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[12:12] <pb0ahx> Andrew_M0NRD, tnx info i found him but a lot off qrm here
[12:12] <edmoore> open a beer and wait
[12:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
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[12:18] <pb0ahx> mmmmm beer nice
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[12:23] <pb0ahx> yesssssssss i got 1 green line now hihihihi fun
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> Two lines, and you're pregnant.
[12:29] <pb0ahx> ow
[12:47] <Vaizki> or at least full of gas
[12:51] <Andrew_M0NRD> hills in the way, that's it from me - going to be a wet walk to get that book back ;-)
[12:53] <Andrew_M0NRD> https://twitter.com/RowlandWhite/status/719853023183441920
[12:55] <Vaizki> No you didn't
[12:56] <edmoore> pages removed?
[12:56] <Ian_> Looks like a bit of Kendal Mint Cake might be the order of the day too. there are likely to be high spots to look down for a final fix.
[12:57] <Ian_> My thoughts exactly edmoore. nice bit of polystyrene or small box. Good place for a tracker too :)
[12:58] <Ian_> Better still, just the dust jacket and a faux book!
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[13:10] <domojn> How come this BARC HAB wasn't on the calender?
[13:11] <mfa298> they only asked for the flight doc to be approved this morning.
[13:12] <Vaizki> they're a bit lazy with the flight docs...
[13:12] <Vaizki> and the calendar feed syncs even more lazily
[13:12] <mfa298> it may well appear later (if you're using google they only update things every few hours)
[13:12] <Darkside> i usually do mine only the night before
[13:13] <daey> dbrooke: what are you planning to do with your GPSDO?
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[13:15] <Vaizki> there are 2 things you can do with a normal gpsdo.. Get a precise time and get a precise frequency (10MHz, 5MHz or 1MHz usually)
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[13:18] <domojn> Thank God it wasn't in the calender
[13:18] <domojn> a lightening storm rolled in 15 mins ago
[13:18] <domojn> disconnect your antennas guis!
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[13:19] <domojn> HAs lightening ever hit a HAB?
[13:21] <mfa298> probably not in the UK (at least for amateur balloons)
[13:21] <Vaizki> how would that happen?
[13:21] <Vaizki> just happens to be in the path?
[13:22] <mfa298> although it looked like some US people launched habs into a storm a few weeks ago
[13:22] <domojn> BIIIIIG rumble
[13:23] <domojn> I bet that was fun for them
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[13:31] <domojn> Pint4Time?
[13:32] <domojn> Who's Tim, and why does he desrve a pint?
[13:32] <Darkside> tim is in space, on the ISS
[13:36] <FuzzyLemon> he's running the london marathon in space
[13:39] <domojn> lol
[13:39] <domojn> bit far from london, aint he?
[13:39] <domojn> or is it telepathic running?
[13:40] <domojn> are you sure it's not some kind of walk he's doing instead?
[13:41] <craag> He's doing it on a treadmill
[13:41] <craag> And I'm pretty sure will be at least filmed, and portions of it livestreamed
[13:41] <craag> so we can see if he slacks off ;)
[13:42] <mattbrejza> i dont suppose he'll be near the hamtv downlink?
[13:42] <daveake> He's going to have fun trying to go round the corners
[13:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL1NBR-12 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1NBR-12
[13:44] <domojn> his progess will be vviewable by SSTV
[13:45] <domojn> a collection of 5 images showing the entire attempt, back to back
[13:47] <domojn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfnOmC0vJDY&nohtml5=False
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[13:49] <dbrooke> daey: reference feed for test gear
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[13:52] <craag> No mattbrejza, not afaik
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[14:04] <Vaizki> I assume the ISS has a good odor removal in the air scrubbers :)
[14:04] <Vaizki> or maybe Tim is so fit he doesn't break a sweat on a marathon
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40002.0;attach=1110441 - F9 taking off again
[14:07] <Vaizki> it's so cute & tiny
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[14:11] <Laurenceb> http://portcanaveralwebcam.com/
[14:11] <RealBorg> reportedly iss smells of "nuts"
[14:12] <RealBorg> ionizing radiation on that volume may generate enough ozone to break down any odors
[14:14] <Vostok> i know something else that smells of "nuts"
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[14:24] <Ben-AstroSoc> Out payload testing, it's working perfectly :D https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/A3p2uMKs/IMG_1063.JPG
[14:25] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: fixed your GPS issues?
[14:25] <Vaizki> so it's right above you then? ;)
[14:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> Not the initialisation yet but might have been timing issue with my interrupts - which I've since fixed, so will have another go soon
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[14:41] <Ben-AstroSoc> Got a slight bug after extended transmission, gonna investigate later
[14:44] <daveake> "it's working perfectly" ... aht hat old chestnut :-). Best not to ever say that out loud :)
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[14:47] <Vaizki> watchdogs are your friend when sending out buggy stuff :)
[14:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> One of the buffers starts overrunning, gonna write a reset into them so they're overwritten
[14:49] <Ben-AstroSoc> It lacks lots of defensive stuff right now
[14:50] <AndyEsser> http://pixelscommander.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/P10.pdf
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[14:54] <Ben-AstroSoc> Thanks :)
[15:00] <AndyEsser> YW
[15:00] <AndyEsser> pretty good rules to follow in any programming, not just mission critical or embedded stuff
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[15:14] <Ben-AstroSoc> Our GPS is putting us miles out typing it into google maps
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[15:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> Literally miles out
[15:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> Hmm
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[15:19] <fsphil> nmea strings don't provide sensible decimal coordinates. it's in some oddball ddd.ddmmmm format. that could be why it's out
[15:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> Oh no
[15:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> Could it be because
[15:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> It's an hour our
[15:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> Out*
[15:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> time wise?
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[15:21] <fsphil> gps won't be an hour out. it's not local time
[15:21] <fsphil> gps time is UTC + small offset (few minutes iirc?)
[15:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> 5229.14731N 00153.34290W is nowhere near Aston uni
[15:22] <RealBorg> i think it's pretty much utc
[15:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> It's UTC afaik
[15:22] <fsphil> it's not exactly utc
[15:22] <RealBorg> except when utc has steps
[15:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> It's consistently some offset out by the looks of it
[15:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> GPS time has to be corrected for leap seconds, but if you just plug in the NMEA value as LAt/Long it will be wrong!
[15:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> Aah, how do we correct?
[15:23] <fsphil> what I said before ^^
[15:24] <Vostok> NMEA format would be (D)DDMM.MMMMM
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> As above change the formnat from ddd.ddmmmm to ddd.dd mmmm
[15:24] <RealBorg> gps time is off by 13 leap seconds but time message includes that information
[15:24] <Vostok> Geoff-G8DHE-M: no
[15:24] <Vostok> it's not ddd.ddmmmm
[15:25] <Vostok> that doesn't make any sense
[15:25] <adamgreig> the time in NMEA strings is UTC
[15:25] <adamgreig> not GPS time
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[15:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> Ah. We typed it into a converter and it's bang on
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah yes I simply copied the format without thinking!
[15:25] <Vostok> NMEA strings are just dd mm.mmm without the extra space in between
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[15:26] <fsphil> adamgreig: it's converted?
[15:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> Gonna look up a conversion algorithm when I get back
[15:26] <adamgreig> NMEA outputs UTC
[15:27] <adamgreig> the vagaries of GPS time are well hidden
[15:27] <adamgreig> UBX will give it to you with the UTC offset in the UBX messages if you want
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ddd + (mm.mmm/60) gives ddd.dddd
[15:27] <fsphil> I think I have one that doesn't convert it, it's always a few minutes out
[15:27] <adamgreig> a few minutes is extreme
[15:27] <adamgreig> right now UTC is 13 seconds different to GPS
[15:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> Geoff-G8DHE-M: is that ddd.dddd full decimal?
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup
[15:27] <fsphil> will dig out that module tonight. it's quite old
[15:28] <adamgreig> if it's a few minutes off then something is really horribly broken
[15:28] <Ben-AstroSoc> I guess if I want to convert on chip I'm gonna have to get my parser to actually parse numbers out
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> split the minutes out and divde by 60 to give decimal part of Dehrees
[15:28] <adamgreig> are you using a ublox Ben-AstroSoc ?
[15:28] <Ben-AstroSoc> Yeah
[15:28] <fsphil> Ben-AstroSoc: habhub can accept the oddball gps format
[15:28] <Ben-AstroSoc> Max m8q
[15:28] <adamgreig> then use the ubx binary format instead
[15:28] <Ben-AstroSoc> Alright cool
[15:28] <adamgreig> it gives you much more sensible numbers and is a lot easier to parse
[15:28] <adamgreig> (but yes, you can also transmit the ddmm.mmmm format and habhub will parse it)
[15:29] <Ben-AstroSoc> We're not setting up the GPS module itself right now, couldn't get that working over the weekend
[15:29] <Ben-AstroSoc> If habhub can parse that's awesome
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[15:33] <fsphil> but yes ubx is simpler
[15:33] <fsphil> well, in theory. you've had trouble with it already :)
[15:34] <AndyEsser> hmm, I should switch to UBX from NMEA
[15:34] <Ben-AstroSoc> If I can solve initialising the GPS I'll get it to switch
[15:34] <Ben-AstroSoc> Does the string format change or just the number format?
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[15:36] <fsphil> it's all ubx binary packets
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[15:36] <fsphil> which sounds scary but is simpler to parse than nmea
[15:37] <jakeio> edmoore, would this coaxial cable suffice if I then got a BNC-SMA adapter?
[15:37] <Ben-AstroSoc> If it's easier I'll look into it for r2
[15:37] <AndyEsser> fsphil: make a struct that matches the UBX packet, and voial?
[15:37] <AndyEsser> voila*
[15:37] <Ben-AstroSoc> Gonna have to solve parsing as a number in the next week or two I think
[15:38] <fsphil> AndyEsser: indeed
[15:39] <AndyEsser> do you request certain packet updates? or does it spew them out like NMEA, with a packet id or something to let you know which packet type it is?
[15:39] <jakeio> edmoore, if I used it with this adapter: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/1246825/
[15:40] <fsphil> when I used it, I just requested a position when needed. I'm not actually sure if it can be setup to send it automatically
[15:40] <AndyEsser> no no, I'd rather request :)
[15:41] <adamgreig> i think you can have it send automatically
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[15:45] <mfa298> jakeio: that's a standard SMA to BNC adapter (not rp-sma)
[15:46] <DL7AD1> .hysplit DL1NBR-12
[15:46] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD1: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[15:46] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[15:47] <DL7AD> fsphil: could you run a hysplit?
[15:48] <jakeio> mfa298, I thought you were not supposed to use rp-SMA?
[15:49] <mfa298> jakeio: correct, RP-SMA is bad, I got confused I thought you'd said RP-SMA above not BNC-SMA
[15:50] <jakeio> OK. So, would that setup suffice for the starting kit to build my antenna. That coaxial cable and the adapter (because fun cube has SMA).
[15:50] <mfa298> I'm not sure you said what cable you were looking at
[15:50] <edmoore> jakeio: sorry, at work so slow reponses
[15:51] <jakeio> edmoore, sorry edmoore. Didn't mean to disturb you.
[15:51] <edmoore> no that's fine
[15:51] <edmoore> i wouldn't reply if i didn't want to be disturbed
[15:51] <edmoore> i'm just not always at a omputer
[15:51] <jakeio> Ah, I didn't even post the cable link.
[15:51] <jakeio> *facepalm*
[15:51] <jakeio> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/4262094/
[15:52] <mfa298> that should work assuming your antenna has a bnc connector on it as well.
[15:53] <jakeio> Well, the antenna will be homemade, so I'll ensure that.
[15:53] <mfa298> you should be able to get rg58 cable with an SMA on the end, although I'm not sure anyone sells such things or if you'd need to make it up yourself.
[15:53] <jakeio> I'd need to make it myself.
[15:54] <jakeio> The only one RS or Farnell sell is either too short or too long (30m).
[15:55] <mfa298> you might find the radio shops would do a sma - bnc cable for you (the likes of Nevada, ML&S, radioworld)
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If your terminating the cable directly onto the aerial do you need another connector? Just use a cable like this and cut the socket off and terminate on homebre aerial. http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-ANT24EC5S-Antenna-Extension-Cable/dp/B001BSK3NO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460476471&sr=8-1&keywords=SMA+cable+5m
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Accept that one is RP-SMA!!!!!!
[15:56] <mfa298> you you buy the cable, connectors and crimp tool and do it yourself, but that's a bit more expensive for a single cable
[15:56] <jakeio> Indeed. I'd rather not spend money on a tool that'll get used once!
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Try this cable http://www.amazon.co.uk/INSTAR-SMA-Antenna-Extension-Cable/dp/B00PTZK92A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1460476595&sr=8-2&keywords=SMA+cable+5m+-rp
[15:57] <jakeio> I suppose if I cut off one end and integrate it into the antenna.
[15:57] <jakeio> I mean, it's going to be a very simple coathanger yagi so should be fine :D
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> quite cheaper than RS as well I suspect!
[15:58] <fsphil> DL7AD: don't believe so
[15:58] <jakeio> OK. Thanks.
[15:59] <mfa298> question is whether you'll really only make one cable up, or if you'll get the HAB/Radio bug and start wanting more cables.
[15:59] <jakeio> Good point mfa298, but I'm on a budget for this particular project.
[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah thats a different matter in which case you buy dozens of adaptors ....
[16:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> or a decent inter-series kit!
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[16:01] <jakeio> Geoff-G8DHE-M, not much more than RS Online actually, as I've got to pay postage with Amazon!
[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> could be unless you can get over the £20 limit
[16:02] <jakeio> But isn't that defeating the point of paying less :D
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> bear in mind RS will add VAT as well
[16:02] <jakeio> I'll see if there's anything I need...
[16:02] <daveake> I made the mistake of making up a radio adapter kit as a matrix of SMA/BNC/PL259/N in x and y, in a large compartment box. The mistake was that this showed all the ones I don't have so I ended up buying a load more :p
[16:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N7ERU-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N7ERU-11
[16:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N7ERU-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N7ERU-12
[16:03] <daveake> Ditto with coax cable sizes (RG174/RG58/RG8X/RG213) on one side and plug type the other. Another set of purchases followed
[16:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KA7NSR-15 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KA7NSR-15
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/rf-connectors-kits/5462920/
[16:04] <mfa298> daveake: I know that feeling, although I think I can now convert most stuff to BNC - including Belling Lee
[16:04] <jakeio> May I ask, is there a difference between RG58 and RG-58, because RS lists them as separate types, but... really?
[16:04] <daveake> That's RS
[16:04] <mfa298> That's probably just RS and someone reading manufacturers data
[16:04] <jakeio> Thought as much.
[16:04] <daveake> They think "1 inch", 1", 1.0", 2.54cm and 25.4mm are all different things
[16:05] <jakeio> I mean, cause they've got this: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/coaxial-cable-assemblies/8861042/ where I could just lop off that BNC.
[16:05] <mfa298> daveake: well those are, two of them are in real measurements :p
[16:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> RG58 RG-58 RG58/U several variations but the base cable all the same
[16:05] <daveake> I thought you were on a budget? :p
[16:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Out of stock!
[16:06] <jakeio> This would be cheaper than Amazon... :\
[16:06] <daveake> If you don't mind waiting a few weeks, you can get cables on ebay for a lot less
[16:06] <jakeio> I meant this one: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/coaxial-cable-assemblies/8861055/ Geoff-G8DHE-M
[16:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Also don't chop off to close to the connector, then you get two cables for the price of one!
[16:06] <jakeio> daveake, I bought 1280 resistors from eBay for £4, use 5 of them so far...
[16:06] <daveake> You have many years to go
[16:06] <jakeio> Haha.
[16:07] <daveake> Anyway the point isn't to use them all; it's to make sure you have what you need when you need it
[16:07] <Vaizki> please measure them before you solder them in...
[16:08] <mfa298> I've got a resistor kit I probably bought 10 years ago, and then find I mostly use a few values so keep getting more of those.
[16:08] <mfa298> but the kits are useful when you want particular values.
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[16:34] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEDrMriKsFM&feature=youtu.be
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[17:14] <FuzzyLemon_> https://www.facebook.com/highaltitudeballooning/photos/pcb.1709078769369370/1709078106036103/?type=3&theater
[17:15] <FuzzyLemon_> from yesterdays flight
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[17:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SKIPI after 0321 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SKIPI
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[18:27] <j0nnymac> hey hey
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[21:37] <craag> !flights
[21:37] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Current flights: 03BARC 10(29b7), 03BENNY_1 10(894b), 03PICO-23 144.251 MHz CTSTIA32/1000 10(ddfe)
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[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
[23:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ5NWI-14 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5NWI-14
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