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[02:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03creekside chase polk_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=creekside%20chase%20polk_chase
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[12:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03creekside chase polk_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=creekside%20chase%20polk_chase
[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Creeksidechasecarpolk - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Creeksidechasecarpolk
[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Prisonarchitect_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Prisonarchitect_chase
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[13:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-63 after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-63
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[13:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP-11
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[14:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LCARS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LCARS_chase
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[15:44] <arjunnaha> Has anyone used this method of measuring lift? http://imgur.com/LYw2vyW
[15:45] <BitEvil> That looks like a face in your knot
[15:46] <daveake> As a check, yes
[15:46] <BitEvil> It is risky
[15:46] <craag> arjunnaha: I have, it's often quite difficult to judge if there's wind.
[15:46] <BitEvil> Lift of a restrained balloon is not zero in wind
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[15:47] <craag> It'll bounce up and down about 50% of the scale on the device
[15:48] <arjunnaha> Ah, I'll just stick to the lift method
[15:48] <arjunnaha> *normal water method
[15:49] <R34lB0rg> don't want to see your balloon activate turbo boost?
[15:49] <fsphil> even the normal water bottle method is tricky in the wind
[15:49] <daveake> it is, but easier
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[15:50] <daveake> I did once give up trying to measure the neck lift, stood back, looked at the balloon and thought "yeah looks about right" :.
[15:51] <daveake> Though, the target ascent was "plenty more than 5", so not critical
[15:51] <arjunnaha> *last known position: 90°N
[15:51] <craag> We had a really sticky set of fishscales on one
[15:53] <BitEvil> arjunnaha: what are you hoping for?
[15:53] <craag> we ended up using mostly the pressure dial on the tank. plus a bit. plus a bit more.
[15:53] <daveake> several Stirks then?
[15:53] <BitEvil> arjunnaha: Float, or ...
[15:53] <craag> Yeah about 8 stirks maybe - the tank was rather cold
[15:53] <arjunnaha> BitEvil: Up and down
[15:54] <craag> I think we were only out by about 10% in the end :)
[15:54] <daveake> pretty good :)
[15:54] <BitEvil> One potion is photogrammetric methods
[15:54] <craag> unfortunately put the spinning-gas in that one
[15:54] <BitEvil> option
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[15:55] <SpeedEvil> That is - for example - walk back 20m, hold up a ruler next to the balloon, and compare the diameter of the balloon to the ruler
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> to get closely the volume
[15:56] <craag> haha
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> Or compare with a known height - for example of the person launching.
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> And do this with a ruler or other method ratehr than by eye
[15:58] <craag> oh you're not joking
[15:58] <craag> it's not usually spherical
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> I thought it was rotationally symmetric though for latex
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/2e8DtwQ
[16:00] <craag> That's a well filled small balloon
[16:00] <craag> larger ones tend to be teardrop at ground level
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> yes, I wasn't using that as an example.
[16:02] <craag> To be honest the error induced by the teardrop shape is probably going to be less than the other factors
[16:02] <craag> like not holding the ruler at the correct distance and such
[16:03] <craag> so just use some water bottles :)
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[16:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DM3FB after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DM3FB
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[17:37] <mfa298> grrr tools, spring on my side cutters just broke, only had them for ~20 years.
[17:38] <daey> your fault for buying china stuff...
[17:40] <mfa298> I'll have to go find the ones I've had for ~15 years. If only all tools could be useful for that long
[17:45] <daey> god i gotta move to shenzhen *.*
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[18:27] <R34lB0rg> shenzhen has more population than my entire country
[18:53] <daey> eh? it 'only' has a population of 7 million
[19:03] <R34lB0rg> 8.6Mio.
[19:03] <daey> wiki says 7. but it appears to grow fast
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[19:33] <R34lB0rg> according to wikipedia shenzhen already had 10,628,900 in 2014
[19:37] <jakeio> Why are you talking about Shenzhen?
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[21:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LARDY-PICO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LARDY-PICO
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[23:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03Legionowo after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Legionowo
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