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[01:26] <Wilfredo> Hello
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[05:22] <AdiOltean> Hi all, is there an archive of this IRC somewhere?
[05:23] <lz1dev> yes, http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[05:23] <AdiOltean> thanks
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[06:42] <R34lB0rg> NASA is using 150-300Pa for their pressure balloons
[06:44] <edmoore> so about the ballpark of latex balloons too
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[06:46] <R34lB0rg> " The strength required for the film materials is a function of the internal pressure times the radius divided by the film thickness (Pr/t or Pressure times the radius divided by the film thickness)."
[06:47] <SpeedEvil> It's a moderately complex multifactorial trade
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[06:47] <SpeedEvil> depending on your film material, manufacturing process, gas leaks, payload, IR/visible balance
[06:49] <R34lB0rg> that sentence is from NASA, they are using tendons for additional strength
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[06:55] <SpeedEvil> sure.
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[08:29] <LunarWork> hello
[08:31] <edmoore> no
[08:37] <Vaizki> maybe
[08:38] <fsphil> it's still up for debate
[08:40] <Vaizki> hasn't burst yet for conclusions?
[08:42] <LunarWork> complicated
[08:44] <fsphil> just floating some ideas
[08:44] <edmoore> hello is a moderately recent invention as a greeting
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[08:53] <gonzo_> I believe 'hello' was popularised by the telephone, as a reasonably short greeting
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[08:59] <R34lB0rg> I love when czech people great "ahoi" on the phone
[09:04] <R34lB0rg> which are the most active HABing countries?
[09:13] <Ian_> Ahoy was a greeting that was considered originally. Perhaps Hello, a new greeting at the time, was a bit of an escape.
[09:14] <tweetBot> @daveake: New blog post - latest LoRa 868MHz flight - https://t.co/vxADzNf7Eu #UKHAS
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[09:16] <Ian_> Many Happy Returns of the Day daveake, and many more of them. Birthdays and flights :)
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[09:56] <Vaizki> our government in their infinite wisdom went from a total ban on various electric personal mobility devices such as segways to basically making them all street legal.. it will be a fun summer, everyone and their mother is importing weird wheeled thingys now and flogging them :)
[09:57] <murb> urg, i hate those things.
[09:57] <murb> i've been hit by one already as a stionary pedestrian in prague.
[09:58] <Vaizki> they became legal Jan 1st, 2016 but of course the snow is just now melting so will start seeing them soon on the sidewalks, cycleways and roads
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[10:02] <murb> Vaizki: do they permit bicycles on "sidewalks" (it pains me to use that word)
[10:03] <Vaizki> only for kids
[10:03] <Vaizki> but segways etc are not bicycles, they are light electric vehicles
[10:03] <murb> yeah, but equally as dangerious?
[10:03] <murb> probably more dangerious as you have a behaviour of rocking backwards and forwards for i assume stability.
[10:04] <murb> (how i was hit whilst standing still.)
[10:04] <Vaizki> if you have a bicycle with an electric motor, you can't drive it on the sidewalk. but if you take the pedals off, it's no longer a bicycle so you can drive on the sidewalk :)
[10:04] <murb> are unicycles bikes?
[10:04] <murb> :)
[10:04] <Vaizki> no
[10:05] <murb> so you can ride them on the pavement?
[10:05] <Vaizki> I have used a segway for maybe 3 hours and I did not need to rock back and forth at all
[10:05] <Vaizki> it will stay completely balanced and stationary
[10:06] <murb> dunno why they do it then, but it seems to be a common behaviour.
[10:06] <murb> i think i'll blame humans for now.
[10:06] <murb> (i've yet to see any cats riding segways.)
[10:07] <Vaizki> so bicycles have their own rules and electric "assisted" bicycles (where you have to pedal to get assist power) have their own rules.. now they allowed bicycles with motors that don't require pedaling (one more vehicle category) and made 3 more categories for light electric vehicles
[10:07] <Vaizki> only one category requires insurance, none of them have any kind of MOT-type inspection etc
[10:08] <Vaizki> so now in the end we have like 7 different classes of light vehicles, each with their own rules
[10:08] <murb> no class for floating bicycle connected to balloons? :)
[10:08] <murb> it'll make work for someone...
[10:09] <Vaizki> also a segway for example you can drive on the sidewalk if you go slow. then you are using pedestrian rules of the road. on the cycleway you are a bicyclist with their rules of the road. on the road itself you can be either one depending on who knows what interpretation.
[10:11] <Vaizki> if you are driving along the road on the correct side, you are a cyclist. if you drive the "wrong way" (which here is on the left).. you are a pedestrian.
[10:11] <Vaizki> oh it will be so much fun :D
[10:12] <murb> and if you collide with a cyclists when in pedestrian mode, who is to blame? :)
[10:13] <Ian_> You may not need insurance, but that doesn't stop you being liable for an accident. Need a defensive walking stick to fend off errant hover boards.
[10:14] <Vaizki> oh! and you can drive segways drunk!
[10:14] <Vaizki> it's illegal only if you cause an accident
[10:14] <Vaizki> how much fun is THAT
[10:14] <murb> Ian_: but are you really a pedestrian if you use a stick?
[10:15] <murb> pedestrian rules normally mention no artifical aids.
[10:15] <Ian_> Then they will claim diminished responsibility due to the drink, rather than hit them for being drunk in charge.
[10:15] <Ian_> BIG boots
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[10:17] <Vaizki> so there is no legal BAC limit for segways now.. you can drive them as drunk as you want. but if you are a danger to others you can be punished. the punishment is that police can tell you to get off the thing and push it.
[10:17] <Vaizki> but it's enough to push it for one meter, then you can get back on because you are not as drunk as before clearly
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[10:19] <Vaizki> then again if you drive real slow.. you are a pedestrian.. so they can't even tell you to get off the thing.
[10:19] <Vaizki> we're sooo screwed
[10:20] <murb> Vaizki: there is no BAC for cycling in the uk, but you're still now suppoed to be drunk in charge of a bike!
[10:23] <Vaizki> yea so same rules as here but there is no punishment for breaking them..
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[10:28] <Ian_> It's different with a horse. The debate is who might be in charge . . . hic
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[10:56] <R34lB0rg> you think 200Wh/kg is realistic for low-C li-ion-batteries?
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[11:24] <gonzo_> you can be done for being drunk in charge of a horse. Not sure if being in charge of a drunk horse counts though
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[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[12:25] <jakeio> The UKHAS wiki states that dl-fldigi requires your computer to have a sound card. I assume integrated sound on motherboard will not suffice then?
[12:26] <daveake> it will
[12:26] <jakeio> Ah, splendid. My old laptop doesn't have a sound card!
[12:27] <kokey> that must be some special level of old
[12:28] <jakeio> Not really, it's only a 2012 model...
[12:28] <fsphil> "sound card" can mean lots of things. actual card, usb dongle or even the chip on the motherboard
[12:29] <jakeio> Ah, I see. Thank you fsphil
[12:29] <gonzo_> really upset, my laptop just died. 2005 and still plenty of life left in it
[12:29] <fsphil> sound cards fell out of fashion, but the term didn't
[12:29] <gonzo_> just upgraded it to xp as well
[12:30] <jakeio> Well, if that's an upgrade, what were you running before!?
[12:30] <fsphil> windows 10
[12:31] <fsphil> my laptop seems to be from 2011, that's the newest year I can find on the label
[12:34] <fsphil> the older ones tented to have better keyborads/trackpads
[12:45] <Ian_> jakeio, just a couple of alternative thoughts about some of the bits that you were looking for yesterday ->
[12:45] <Ian_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=rg174&LH_ItemCondition=1000&clk_rvr_id=1005639820500&adpos=1o2&treatment_id=7&crlp=91957861708_827&MT_ID=11&device=c&rlsatarget=kwd-686872936&keyword=rg174&geo_id=32251&poi=&crdt=0&ul_noapp=true
[12:45] <Ian_> https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=jb_5VriuCMnS8AfsrrSACQ#q=22+awg+stranded+hookup+wire&tbm=shop
[12:46] <jakeio> Thanks Ian_
[12:46] <Ian_> It does mean a slow boat, wait, but it does give you smaller quantities at at a price that you can swallow.
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[12:48] <DL7AD_> fsphil: did you already implment the dct tables?
[12:48] <Ian_> Your major , semiconductor, components stick with reliable known suppliers though,
[12:49] <jakeio> This looks like it'll do: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Mtr-SMA-WiFI-Lead-Cable-50-OHM-RG174-Male-Male-Gold-Radio-Ham-/260747710070?hash=item3cb5c64e76:g:KNoAAOxyUylTStm2
[12:49] <fsphil> DL7AD_: yeah there is a set of fixed tables for ssdv
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[12:52] <Ian_> it does give you two pigtails and a length of cable, for sure. For any half decent length bear in mind that RG74 is quite lossy. I certainly wouldn't be happy running more than 5m without a HAB Amp to compensate.
[12:52] <DL7AD_> fsphil: i thought i haven
[12:52] <DL7AD_> t been done yet
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/I7wFi In case you need complex cutdown logic.
[12:53] <gonzo_> not sure I'd want to run more than 5inches of RG174 at 434MHz, without a hab-amp !
[12:54] <Ian_> I didn't like to say that.
[12:54] <gonzo_> put the preamp up close to the antenna and you can get away with cvable loss
[12:55] <fsphil> DL7AD_: it doesn't to the transform itself (time to frequency)
[12:55] <gonzo_> and also get away eith deaf RTL dongles
[12:56] <fsphil> the DCT tables are for quantisation and huffman coding
[12:56] <mfa298> although if you're buying ready made cable from ebay be wary of anything that says wifi as that's often RP-SMA (althoguh that one looks ok)
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[12:57] <mfa298> RP-SMA are subtley different to proper SMA, but that subtle difference can change working to not working very quickly
[12:57] <DL7AD_> fsphil: so you already have the tables but the tables haven't been used yet?
[12:58] <Ian_> To compare different coax use Google with the <coax type> specification. search string
[12:59] <Ian_> ie 'rg74 specification' and compare the unknown with the known to establish a set of metrics
[13:01] Action: mfa298 wonders if there's useful stuff on the wiki for types of coax
[13:01] <Ian_> rg213 'was' a good standard but has been eclipsed at VHF and UHF, but use for comparison
[13:01] <Ian_> Types of interest might be rg213, rg58 (not all equal), rg74 and several others.
[13:02] <Ian_> aircell-6
[13:03] <Ian_> mfa298, sorry, I think I was a bit slow there :) The penny eventually has dropped.
[13:03] <gonzo_> I stick with it. There are plenty of air/foam dielectric ones, and ones with solid centre conductor. But non of those combinations seem to stand up to much flexing
[13:03] <gonzo_> rg213 that is
[13:04] <Ian_> +1. That is a distinct consideration gonzo_
[13:04] <gonzo_> just calculate your gain blocks, noise temps and losses, and build the system accordingly
[13:04] <mfa298> Ian_: i was thinking that we seem to discuss coax a fair bit, havign a standard HAB centric guide migt be useful.
[13:05] <gonzo_> for a fixed system, like up a mast and to your roof (if you are feeling serious) use heliax
[13:05] <gonzo_> and if you have a rotator, then use rg213 for the turning loop and up[ to the ant
[13:06] <Ian_> Give me a little time and I will collect some specs <links> together and present for approval.
[13:06] <gonzo_> but if you can get close to the antenna, a mast/roof box or loft cavity, then put the active stages up there and you can use thinner coax down to the radio
[13:07] <Ian_> Better still bolt the radio onto the back of the antenna and run audio and control cables down the mast . . . :)
[13:08] <gonzo_> but if you have to install a fixed and inaccessible system, then just bring good quality coax straight down from the antenna. And pay attention to the termiantions and waterproofing
[13:08] <gonzo_> Ian_, that is pretty much how it's done at higher frequencies
[13:09] <mfa298> Ian_: if you wanted to make a start I'm sure others will help out (don't feel pushed into doing all the work), I think it's a guide I thought of doing a couple of years ago but never got around to then forgot about.
[13:09] <Ian_> A namesake of yours once asked how do you monitor the complete HF band in Africa where there are few intops?
[13:09] <gonzo_> but most hab people will not want more than an antenna on the roof/chimney. In that case I always recommend bringing the cable into the loft. And put the lna/PA there. Warm and accessible
[13:10] <Ian_> Answer translate it up to microwave and send it to the US/UK
[13:10] <gonzo_> depends on the budget!
[13:11] <gonzo_> 30MHz is a big chunk of a sat transponder
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[13:11] <Ian_> Six video channels worth?
[13:12] <manterolat> RP-SMA has the opposite connector, right? So, for example, male without the middle pin?
[13:13] <gonzo_> six analoge chans, yes
[13:13] <mfa298> manterolat: yes, the pin moved from the male connector to the female connector
[13:13] <gonzo_> sex change connectors
[13:14] <manterolat> I heard that for RP-SMA male you could put a small metal wire in the hole to make it act as a regular male. Would that work?
[13:14] <gonzo_> insisted on by the FCC to stop people usinmg non wifi kit on wifi systems
[13:14] <gonzo_> forgetting that such thinbgs as adaptors could exist
[13:15] <Ian_> Another fine mess in the making!
[13:15] <gonzo_> manterolat, sounds nasty. Cut it off and put a proper connector on
[13:15] <manterolat> gonzo_, Fair enough. Thanks!
[13:15] <gonzo_> or put an adaptor on and screw it tight so it stays there
[13:15] <mfa298> manterolat: potentially, but it's not something I'd want to rely on, you'll end losing the bit of metal at the critical time.
[13:16] <manterolat> I might have an adapter or different cable lying around, so I'll try that for now
[13:17] <gonzo_> I have a hate of the SO239 connector. Where I can I replace them. On bkit I can't get into, I put an adaptor on and screw the thing up so it never comes off
[13:17] <Ian_> manterolat if you lose a HAB because of mismatched connectors, this conversation will come back to haunt you :)
[13:18] <gonzo_> but in that case, the so239 is just a nasty connector mecahnically. But the rp-sma are a mox up waiting to happen.
[13:18] <gonzo_> mix
[13:18] <manterolat> Ian_: Already lost one! (but that was due to balloon... tracker worked perfectly)
[13:18] <Ian_> :(
[13:19] <manterolat> Yeah, I won't try the pin method. At worst I can always get the correct adapter/cable
[13:19] <mfa298> I think even the best have been caught out by RP-SMA antenans, Mine are all banished to a box marked wifi kit.
[13:19] <fsphil> DL7AD_: the tables are used for quantisation, which ssdv does
[13:19] <manterolat> Ian_: It burst early (at 18 km rather than 30 km) and landed in a mountain jungle/forest... still there
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[13:20] <fsphil> DL7AD_: the only think it lacks is the transform itself (pixels > frequency coefficients
[13:20] <fsphil> thing*
[13:24] <daveake> hilly areas can be difficult for recovery
[13:24] <daveake> physically, if you're an old git like me, and also with getting the landing position
[13:26] <manterolat> The jungles here make it especially difficult :P (in the Caribbean)
[13:27] <daveake> I'm trying but failing to feel sorry for you :/
[13:28] <manterolat> Hopefully this launch won't go anywhere close to any mountains
[13:29] <daveake> As a general rule, it's a very good idea to run predictions for early and late bursts to make sure you're safe regardless
[13:30] <manterolat> You're right. We're doing that for future launches now
[13:30] <DL7AD_> fsphil: i will try this evening to implement base91 for the image packets
[13:40] <thearduinoguy> What is the average cost of a HAB launch nowadays?
[13:43] <DL7AD_> thearduinoguy: pico or up-and-down?
[13:44] <thearduinoguy> up-and-down
[13:44] <DL7AD_> ~250¬
[13:44] <DL7AD_> (tracker included)
[13:45] <thearduinoguy> ok minus the hardware, what's the cost - balloon, parachute, helium, etc. ?
[13:45] <thearduinoguy> I've got the hardware, everything that goes in teh payload
[13:46] <edmoore> balloon is maybe £50-100 depending on size
[13:46] <edmoore> parachute maybe £20-30 (ibid)
[13:46] <edmoore> helium is pricier than hydrogen, and a function of what you can get locally
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[13:46] <DL7AD_> thearduinoguy: i build the parachutes on my own. balloon (depends on size), ~40¬ http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
[13:47] <DL7AD_> thearduinoguy: helium, dependent where you are living
[13:47] <thearduinoguy> UK
[13:47] <DL7AD_> pass over to edmoore
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[13:49] <edmoore> helium really depends. We used to be looking at about £90 for 9m^3 of helium in a big bottle
[13:49] <edmoore> maybe half that for same amount of hydrogen
[13:50] <DL7AD_> thearduinoguy: i get my bottles at Hornbach in a bottle. but i dont know if you know hornbach in UK.
[13:50] <DL7AD_> (here in germany)
[13:50] <thearduinoguy> Wow that's gone up
[13:50] <edmoore> but some people go to civilian-friendly (rather than industrial) balloon shops and pay a lot more per amount of helium but less overall as it comes in a small tank
[13:50] <thearduinoguy> I take it the CUSF no longer gets bottles from BOC ?
[13:50] <edmoore> no they do
[13:51] <edmoore> i am not cusf anymore tho
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[13:51] <edmoore> i have a job and a mortgage and everything that means its harder to blag free stuff
[13:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALYOLO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALYOLO
[13:56] <edmoore> thearduinoguy: i'd just find your local boc depot and ask them
[13:58] <thearduinoguy> Whats the difference betweewn A grade and CP grade ?
[13:59] <edmoore> purity
[13:59] <edmoore> he cheapest thing over 99% is fine for hab
[14:00] <daveake> CP is 99.999%; A is 99.996%. </google>
[14:00] <edmoore> 99.990 vs 99.996% is a distinction you care about when running gas chromatographs or whatever
[14:01] <daveake> Last time I bought any, click4 balloons were cheapest http://www.click4balloons.co.uk/helium-canister-hire-uk-local-collection-871-c.asp
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[14:02] <thearduinoguy> OK so if I were to go for the N30 size - how many launches would that do?
[14:04] <daveake> Depends on balloon sizes and payload weights and how quickly you want the flights to ascend
[14:05] <edmoore> but very probably in the sort of 'one or two' range rather than 5 or something
[14:05] <edmoore> if doing a normal latex flight to 35+km with a kgish of payload
[14:06] <daveake> Yes, it's 7.8m^3 which would be a couple of typical 1kg flights
[14:06] <thearduinoguy> So pretty expensive per launch then
[14:06] <edmoore> i don't mind that they give the volume to you in units of 'number of 10" latex fills' but that should be in addition to a pressure-volume, rather than as a replacement of
[14:06] <daveake> Well if yuo get the payload weight down it's better
[14:07] <edmoore> it's like they're deliberately trying to upset engineers
[14:07] <daveake> e.g. for a 250g payload and 500g balloon, you'll still see 29km altitude and you'll get 6 flights
[14:08] <edmoore> you probably only ever get about 80% of the stated volume usefully out
[14:08] <edmoore> once you consider adiabatic cooling and the pressure drop across a reg
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[14:17] <edmoore> daveake: i really think all the dollar bills should be floating up
[14:17] <daveake> :)
[14:17] <daveake> Left as an exercise for the viewer
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[15:04] <R34lB0rg> google "hab supplies", find upu's store as the first hit
[15:09] <arjunnaha> The Genie canisters are really nice to get if you cab
[15:09] <arjunnaha> *can
[15:09] <arjunnaha> Wheelbase, digital display and easier to stand upright
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[15:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FANHAB1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FANHAB1
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[16:05] <Ian_> "hab supplies", find upu's store is now https://store.uputronics.com/
[16:08] <jakeio> FANHAB1 looks like it's going into the North Sea/English Channel!
[16:09] <jakeio> Does FANHAB1 perhaps have FANs on it to prevent this? Just guessing from the name!
[16:10] <daveake> It'll be a test not a real flight
[16:10] <jakeio> I just thought that when I zoomed in and saw it had moved around a lot within a 10m radius.
[16:10] <daveake> gps noise
[16:10] <jakeio> Yeah.
[16:11] <jakeio> I see.
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[16:20] <edmoore> jakeio: i wanted to say yesterday, rg58 might be a better choice of coaxial cable for your yagi
[16:20] <edmoore> rg174 is a bit small and better for inside and hooking things up within a bit of equipment
[16:21] <edmoore> rg58 is thicker, cheaper (probably) and lower loss and more mechanically robust for swinging a yagi around like a pirate's cutlace
[16:24] <Vaizki> And less fiddly to attach connectors
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[16:56] <jakeio> Thanks again edmoore, also, does anyone know if you can supply power through either of the USB ports on the Pi Zero (I know the power one doesn't have data, but I'm just curious).
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> emdrive busted
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39772.0;attach=1107277;image
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> ceiling fans were used to fake the videos
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> those big cage things on the ceiling
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[17:32] <edmoore> Laurenceb_: how about 'emdrive busted. Momentum must be conserved'
[17:33] <edmoore> it has the advantage of working under all conditions
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Noticed on a NASA PDF
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/CMoore_AES.pdf - hah.
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> page 17
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> 'SLS is capable of launching 11 6U cubesats'
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[17:46] <Laurenceb_> lulwut
[17:47] Action: Laurenceb_ has been writing his first gui
[17:47] <Laurenceb_> inb4 ip address in visual basic
[17:48] <Laurenceb_> using Qt, its quite pleasant after initial learning curve
[17:49] <Laurenceb_> or cliff
[17:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BlueDot - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BlueDot
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[18:01] <Laurenceb_> never worked on a large c++ project before. I kind of see the attraction of c++.. kind of
[18:06] <thearduinoguy> Laurenceb_: what thread is that video capture from (EMDrive) ?
[18:07] <mfa298> Laurenceb_: careful the lynch mob will be after you for suggesting C++ might be good.
[18:08] <Laurenceb_> thearduinoguy: thread 7 on nasaspaceflight
[18:08] <mfa298> although I do prefer it over C for anything larger
[18:08] <Laurenceb_> page 35 or something i dunno lol
[18:09] <Laurenceb_> how they generate thousands of pages of bloviation I dont know
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[18:10] <thearduinoguy> I can't see any thread saying it's busted
[18:10] <manterolat> Laurenceb_: What's the project?
[18:11] <Laurenceb_> manterolat: just a data visualiser http://i.imgur.com/hzQ3zi4.png
[18:11] <manterolat> Looks really nice. What is the data?
[18:12] <manterolat> HAB data?
[18:12] <Laurenceb_> secret project :P health monitor for horses
[18:13] <manterolat> Pretty specific! :P
[18:13] <manterolat> I've been working on a GUI too, but using python with Tkinter
[18:13] <manterolat> Doesn't look as good
[18:24] <edmoore> good article about james webb telescope
[18:24] <edmoore> http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/03/meet-the-largest-science-project-in-us-government-history-the-james-webb-telescope/
[18:24] <edmoore> also a superb bit of understatement:
[18:24] <edmoore> 'It can be frustrating to contemplate the amount of serious space science that could be supported by the ISS budget.'
[18:25] <russss> ouch.
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[18:29] <R34lB0rg> edmoore, it is!
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[19:08] <Ian_> Oh no, not another digital donkey's wonker?
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: Also SLS
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> But you know that
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> The frustrating part about ISS is that in many ways they seem intent to avoid strenuously doing things economically
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ollpNYOrbcc#t=1225 - if I haven't linked this here before.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> This is a telescope using a diffraction grating as a primary
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> that diffracts starlight into a conventional telescope mounted at one end and pointing along it
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> Intended for use as a whole-sky survey instrument
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> (NOT a diffraction grating across the whole apature of a scope)
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[20:21] <arjunnaha> Daveake, Upu: How feasible would it be to make your own PITS board in a DIY environment, if you got the PCB made
[20:21] <Upu> well its all open source
[20:21] <Upu> hardware and code
[20:21] <Upu> so I'd say pretty easy
[20:21] <mfa298> arjunnaha: many people have flown Pis with gps/ntx2b (or similar) before PITS existed
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[20:23] <mfa298> If you've got the time building your own system is a great learning experience.
[20:25] <arjunnaha> mfa298: Perfect! Opportunity to brush up on my soldering skills
[20:25] <edmoore> it was the only option for many years, diy
[20:25] <edmoore> extremely diy-able
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[20:32] <Upu> yup I would strongly recommend you do it yourself
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[20:35] <arjunnaha> Who made the PCB files?
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[20:39] <arjunnaha> For the V.4 mainboard, I'm getting this error when opening the file...
[20:39] <arjunnaha> Board and schematic are not consistent!
[20:39] <arjunnaha> No forward-/backannotation will be performed!
[20:42] <mfa298> you can always do your own thing, most of my pi electronics have been on original A/B pi's with the humble pi board
[20:47] <mfa298> these days you probably want something like the protopal board https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/protopal
[20:50] <arjunnaha> Ah thanks
[20:51] <mfa298> you can always go for designig your own board, but prototyping boards like those are good for quick one offs.
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[21:16] <Upu> I made them arjunnaha
[21:16] <Upu> shouldn't be inconsistent but I'll check tommorrow
[21:16] <arjunnaha> Thanks
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[23:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ASTROPI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ASTROPI
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[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03Legionowo after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Legionowo
[23:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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