highaltitude.log.20160324

[00:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[02:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ_chase
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[07:43] <R34lB0rg> nice! http://swetlan.ch/vorlagen/hp18z/mars/msb.pdf
[08:01] <R34lB0rg> looks like you can apply for a NOTAM online now: http://www.nats.aero/nsf/Details.aspx
[08:05] <SM0ULC-Reb> :)
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[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
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[10:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC3 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC3
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[10:57] <Brian_> hi, I will be looking at using a Radiometrix radio module what type of reciever do i need?
[10:57] <daveake> which module?
[10:59] <Brian_> i'm still deciding wether to use the PITS module is that yours? or go for individual ones
[10:59] <daveake> So this is for RTTY ?
[10:59] <Brian_> yes
[11:01] <daveake> OK, at the cheap end an RTL-SDR dongle; mid-cost either a good SDR (e.g. AirSpy) or a used scanner (e.g. Icom IC-R10); expensive a Yaesu 817
[11:01] <daveake> The RTL-SDR plus a habamp is the cheapest klit that will have a good range
[11:03] <Brian_> ok i'm looking at around £100 for the radio side, am I better off using a standalone radio reciever like the yaesu or a usb dongle/laptop setup?
[11:04] <mfa298> both have advantages
[11:04] <daveake> I prefer standalone for chasing, as it's physically easier to work with in a chase car or on foot
[11:04] <Brian_> hmm that was my thinking
[11:04] <daveake> So for yesterday's flight I took an 817 up the hill with me
[11:04] <mfa298> although the Yaesu FT817 will be much more than the £100 (more like £400)
[11:04] <Brian_> £400 uis out of budget for first flight at least
[11:05] <daveake> With the 817 tuned in and volume up, I could hear when the signal started to appear
[11:05] <Brian_> my hearings not so good is there one with more visual display?
[11:05] <daveake> Any standalone radio can be sold on afterward. I've bought/sold several radio scanners and usually sell for more than I paid
[11:06] <mfa298> if you find your local Amateur Radio club you might find other interested people who have kit and might get involved.
[11:06] <daveake> All have S-meters but I don't know how useful those would be
[11:06] <SM0ULC-Reb> Brian_: get a couple of dongles from ebay for 4-5 euro and then decide on what you need from expensive one.
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AD_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AD_chase
[11:07] <daveake> dongles also help you understand what's going on, as you can see the radio spectrum
[11:07] <fsphil> the SDRs receivers (rtlsdr and airspy) will provide a waterfall (a visual representation of the radio spectrum)
[11:07] <fsphil> but not very portable
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> Would agree, get a Dongle to play with very cheap and free software, experiment then decide later if you need to go for something better.
[11:07] <fsphil> there is an opening for a low price 434mhz-only sdr receiver
[11:07] <mfa298> it's probably worth just getting an rtlsdr as they're so cheap
[11:07] <daveake> Wouldn't be that hard to combine an SDR, LCD and Pi or similar for a portable spectrum display
[11:08] <SM0ULC-Reb> the need fort portability ,like with a ft817 is that esay fixed with the rtl/sdrplay/airspy etc
[11:08] <SM0ULC-Reb> not that easy.... spellink iss hardd todday
[11:08] <Brian_> ok will look at dongles is there any half decent ones? or something like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YUPITERU-MVT-7100-MULTIBAND-RECEIVER-HANDHELD-WITH-ANTENNA-/272166720104?hash=item3f5e669268:g:VkQAAOSwnLdWtNXp
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[11:09] <fsphil> ft817 isn't that portable either if you need to carry around a laptop :
[11:09] <fsphil> :)
[11:09] <FuzzyLemon> Is BARC launching today?
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[11:09] <daveake> yes
[11:09] <SM0ULC-Reb> fsphil: right.. :)
[11:10] <SM0ULC-Reb> daveake: impressive pics via lora yesterday! :)
[11:10] <daveake> yeah that worked better than I expected
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> Server will have to start thumbnailing the larger images ;-)
[11:11] <daveake> :)
[11:11] <fsphil> already working on that :)
[11:11] <daveake> hah
[11:11] <FuzzyLemon> what time?
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> Hey just send the thumbnails down then a request to send the full image from the balloon ?
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> A flying server!
[11:12] <daveake> FuzzyLemon flight doc says 10am
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> Might not be so silly
[11:12] <daveake> That may be optimistic
[11:12] <fsphil> hard to pick one, when they're all black sky and clouds below
[11:12] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE-lapt Yeah that's something I've considered
[11:13] <daveake> My patent-pending best-image-finder algorithm does quite well
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> Get to see all the small images and then human select
[11:13] <daveake> though with the speed it sends images now, it probably only has 1 image to choose from :/
[11:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> I must admit they do seem good normally
[11:14] <fsphil> if it was slower I'd see the advantage to that
[11:14] <daveake> Maybe send at this size/speed, then select one to send down in full res
[11:14] <fsphil> on a floater for example, where you might have a very low datarate over HF and one image per day
[11:15] <daveake> yeah if I get round to doing a floater train across Europe, then that would be great
[11:15] <fsphil> SSDV, seriously slow digital video
[11:15] <daveake> bandwidth would be necessarily low because of the repeating
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[11:15] <daveake> Got me thinking ... with that 868 lora working so well, what else could we send other than large images
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> Hw about a slit scanner using rotation of balloon for scan then a full 360 spherical image
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> assembling with sway is annoying
[11:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> not at any sensible height
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> I've pondered the above before, but with a variant
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> slit camera, with a conventional CCD, and prism, to do hyperspectral imaging
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> could perhps do gas chromotography with it
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-lapt> levels of Ozone etc.
[11:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/oco2/images/index.html is stupidly cool
[11:19] <SpeedEvil> OCO2 - this is a CO2 observer satellite that does spectroscopy to work out levels of CO2 in the air column.
[11:19] <SpeedEvil> It was realised after design that it could also do the equally cool thing:
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> Mapping chlorophyl fluorescance
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> For a direct measure of leaves
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/oco2/pia18934
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[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03BARC 10(8d7c), 03BARC24-3 10(75f9)
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial barc
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(75f9): 0310 MHz
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial barc24-3
[11:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:30] <FuzzyLemon> Hi! I'm using a 70cm magmount antenna + icom r20 for tracking but I always lose the signal when my HAB is higher than about 15km. any ideas why?
[11:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial 75f9
[11:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(75f9): 0310 MHz
[11:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BARC3 10(75f9): 03434.150799 MHz
[11:30] <FuzzyLemon> i can never seem to pick up anyone elses HABs either
[11:31] <FuzzyLemon> this is the antenna im using: http://www.amazon.co.uk/EX-108UV-ANTENNA-AERIAL-MOUNT-CONNECTOR/dp/B008H3VARY
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[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> If your directly underneath it then you are in a null
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any angle upto about 70-80 deg should be fine
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[11:41] <junderwood> !dial BARC3
[11:41] <SpacenearUS> 03junderwood: Latest dials for 03BARC3 10(75f9): 03434.1502 MHz, 434.15 MHz, 434.150799 MHz, 434.14909 MHz
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[11:55] <SpeedEvil> Has anyone tried high altitude quads?
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> (clearly of various legality)
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Like this ? http://c8.alamy.com/comp/ACRCBC/flying-quad-bike-ACRCBC.jpg
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> http://quadcopteronmars.org/
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[12:26] <garymortimer> Were there issues with those BARC balloons?
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[12:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AGENA2 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AGENA2
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[12:36] <criticalmass> Afternoon all.
[12:41] <garymortimer> afternoon
[12:46] <criticalmass> Much going on?
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[12:55] <criticalmass> Are there any restrictions or specifications required when choosing a payload callsign?
[12:55] <fsphil> none. but I'd suggest keep it short, and only use characters A-Z 0-9
[12:56] <gonzo_> and not PISKY
[12:56] <fsphil> CHANGEME is quite common :)
[12:56] <criticalmass> hehe, thank you :-)
[12:56] <criticalmass> Hoping to finish the tracker build and programme the chip this week.
[12:56] <gonzo_> NOCALL
[13:00] <daveake> Also if you're doing ssdv, payload IDs there get truncated to 6 characters if longer
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[13:03] <fsphil> 6 characters is enough for "anyone"
[13:03] <Vaizki> and stick to 7-bit ASCII ;)
[13:03] <criticalmass> Not doing SSDV just yet daveake
[13:04] <criticalmass> But thanks for the heads up
[13:05] <Vaizki> payload named [2$2(2¹¿¿2)2$2]-1
[13:05] <Vaizki> I'm sure that didn't work for most people, sorry :)
[13:05] <daveake> $$DROP TABLE PAYLOADS
[13:07] <criticalmass> might go for my first though... BOOBS
[13:09] <Vaizki> BO-085
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[13:27] <R34lB0rg> little bobby tables https://xkcd.com/327/
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[13:36] <criticalmass> hahaha
[13:36] <criticalmass> Very good
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[13:46] <tridor> Hello, I have created and uploaded a payload doc, it appears in 'all payloads testing' in dl-fldigi but not in active flights, I can see other active flights, currently barc, frinus etc - callsign Infinity - Any ideas?
[13:47] <adamgreig> have you made a flight document?
[13:48] <tridor> not yet because we are not planning to launch for a couple of months, just testing - is that right?
[13:48] <adamgreig> that's correct
[13:48] <adamgreig> it won't appear in active flights until you have an approved flight document (and are ready to fly)
[13:49] <tridor> ok, so I don't need to bother testing on map just yet?
[13:49] <adamgreig> you can test and you'll appear on the map
[13:49] <adamgreig> (and please do test!)
[13:49] <adamgreig> you don't need a flight document to appear on the map
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[13:51] <tridor> how do I get my payload on the map with dl-fldigi when I can't autoconfigure it?
[13:51] <adamgreig> you can autoconfigure it from the "all payloads testing" list
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[13:52] <mfa298> and you can configure all the settings manually (include some that dont get set via autoconfigure)
[13:53] <mfa298> it's good to know how to adjust the settings manually as well
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[13:59] <tridor> ok, I can't get it to work yet but I'll keep playing :-)
[14:00] <pb0ahx> !flights
[14:00] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03BARC 10(8d7c), 03BARC24-3 10(75f9)
[14:01] <pb0ahx> !dial 75f9
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03BARC 10(75f9): 0310 MHz
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03BARC3 10(75f9): 03434.14902 MHz
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[14:03] <mfa298> you ought to be able to get the payload decoding with dl-fldigi withotu a payload doc, by adjusting the settings manually
[14:04] <mfa298> that should then help with creating the payload doc to get on the map
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[14:07] <tridor> dl-fldigi is decoding perfectly, I just can't seem to get it out of the program to the servers
[14:08] <mfa298> tridor: have you got a name in the call sign field, and location (lat/long/altitude) in the dl-settings
[14:08] <adamgreig> and ticked 'online'
[14:08] <mfa298> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[14:10] <mfa298> then when you're recieving packets look at http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ to see if they arrive and if it shows errors
[14:11] <tridor> no name in callsign on dl-fldigi but is online, I can see the active flights and my callsign in test payloads
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[14:11] <tridor> I have looked in the logtail and see nothing related to my payload(Infinity)
[14:12] <mfa298> it won't upload if the callsign field is empty. It doesn't need to be a amateur callsign, you can use any name in there
[14:14] <tridor> ok, this could be dumb, how do I get the callsign in the box, it won't let me just type it there and I have configured it under the operator tab?
[14:16] <mfa298> operator tab is where you need to configure it, the callsign on the main display is the payload callsign (the one you configure in operator is to identify the receiver)
[14:16] <mfa298> screenshots of the config pages mentioned in the guide and the receiving window might help
[14:21] <tridor> I can't see where I'm going wrong, have followed https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide to the letter(many times) think I'll start over with dl-fldigi config - thanks for help
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[14:24] <mfa298> make sure you're statign it in hab mode and that the online option is enabled
[14:24] <mfa298> chances are there's something small wrong, but it's hard to tell when we can't see whats happening
[14:26] <Ian_> mfa298, Good afternoon. Any idea why the [14:01] dials for BARC (75f9) returns 10MHz?
[14:27] <mfa298> Ian_: probably someone has that frequency set in dl-fldigi. The dials information normally comes from the receiver via rigcat/hamlib
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Because someone has there dl-fldigi setup badly! It normally appears on 434.450 but the payload document is set up badly as well and says 434.250 which is wrong.
[14:28] <Ian_> Right, many thanks. It all bodes well NOT for 12 May unless a bit of organisation breaks out in the BARC camp
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not sure he understands the idea of a Payload and a Flight doc ...
[14:29] <mfa298> the 10MHz will be from someone that received it rather than an issue with BARC themselves.
[14:29] <Ian_> Good start for 23 such instances . . . :)
[14:30] <Ian_> 10MHz point well taken.
[14:30] <mfa298> although it could be their receiver that reported it.
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> I can't see him setting up 23 payload docs and 23 flight docs however either!
[14:31] <Ian_> I think that he/they need to publish a plan with callsigns, freq allocations and that's before they hit or miss their testing.
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[14:31] <mfa298> well at least they've already started thinking about it with a number of weeks to go.
[14:32] <Ian_> It has the possibility of being a major event, or a compost heap if they fail to herd the cats successfully.
[14:32] <mfa298> I'm guessing they're doing this with various groups so might not just be the BARC team doign the stuff
[14:32] <Ian_> It's the coordination that bothers me a little
[14:33] <mfa298> similarly with the flghts this week I wouldn't be surprised if they're with different groups so delays etc. may well be down to 3rd parties, schools, tv crews etc are know to complicate things.
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed
[14:35] <Ian_> I'm looking to get our group to hone our ground station tracking skills ready for 12 May when we are looking to pitch in on the rx side.
[14:36] <Ian_> The group 'BigJoe' is good at talking thus far. We need to do more!
[14:37] <mfa298> if they manage that many payloads it might show the need for somethign better than dl-fldigi
[14:37] <mfa298> one of these days I might get to play with gnuradio properly
[14:38] <Ian_> I hope that they don't all decide that they want to do SSDV on the day! The db will be Crouching in more ways than one, at saturation ?
[14:39] <craag> hah well I believe they're all PITS
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[14:39] <craag> so telem-only at 300bd would be a lot worse!
[14:39] <daveake> 23 x 300 baud is still less than yesterday's flight
[14:39] <craag> telem x 300 baud x 23 x (no. of listeners)
[14:39] <daveake> true
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[14:40] <Ian_> The reason for the speculation. I gathered that you were doing some complicated stuff yesterday daveake, but not the magnitude of it.
[14:40] <craag> and that'd be couch rather than ssdv
[14:40] <mfa298> and at least with dl-fldigi msot people probably won't be listenign to all payloads
[14:40] <craag> true
[14:40] <daveake> yes might be interesting
[14:41] <daveake> For 23 flights I'd have gone LoRa TDM
[14:41] <daveake> Just about get a reasonable update rate from that lot on 1 frequency
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[14:42] <daveake> But even 2-4 frequencies would still be a lot more manageable than 23
[14:42] <craag> I'd have hired some people to help out too - get the HAB A-team up there.
[14:42] <craag> I wonder how much they're being paid for it.
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[14:43] <daveake> yeah, no idea. FWIW I did the skycademy thing for free
[14:43] <daveake> Even with 5 flights that took some effort to track all of them centrally
[14:45] <craag> I'm assuming they're not doing it for free - as it is their business
[14:45] <daveake> Would have helped if RPi's rooftop aerial actually worked :/ (cable/connector fault somewhere). Steve and I went up on the roof with Yagi/laptop/817/airspy
[14:45] <daveake> yes
[14:45] <craag> Yes... when are we getting the pi towers websdr?
[14:46] <daveake> Have a word with James @ rpi :)
[14:46] <craag> Hehe ok, I'll ping an email once I've cleared some existing projects.
[14:46] <craag> Would be well-placed :D
[14:47] <daveake> indeed
[14:47] <Ian_> If they go for 23 frequencies then some will be grim and will need early allocation to get the groups prepared.
[14:47] <Ian_> Ideally they would be GPS timed and TDM on four to six frequencies.
[14:47] <daveake> As above, that's what I'd do
[14:48] <daveake> Worked very well for my 3-avr balloon network
[14:48] <mfa298> but then they only really seem to use COTS products so won't be doing anything interesting like that
[14:49] <Ian_> It's a not like the students thinking that they don't need the advice from non Uni sources. Even though you have all been inventing the game for years.
[14:50] <Ian_> s/not/lot
[14:50] <craag> There's an argument for uni team going in their own direction if the exercise is the development process.
[14:51] <Ian_> It when you advise and they don't consider that you might have a point. I seem to think that you were in such a position at least once
[14:51] <craag> Often the exercise is the passenger payload though (eg. SHARP) which then becomes very frustrating.
[14:52] <craag> yes, at least once ;)
[14:52] <Ian_> Frustrating, but amusing at the same time as you watch it all unravel
[14:53] <Ian_> Illuminated t-shirt - "I told you so"
[14:53] <mfa298> sometimes there's benefit in groups doing their own thing, that way you get innovation - although that's not so common
[14:53] <Ian_> :)
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[16:02] <edmoore> gps-timed tdm on its own is asking for trouble as i have said whenever anyone has asked and also when they haven't
[16:02] <edmoore> it really needs robust handling of the case when gps lock (and so time) is lost
[16:03] <edmoore> so that they don't all bash into each other
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> I have wondered idly about modules lockable to other positioning standards, so you can tell it to ignore GPS
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> (if it breaks)
[16:07] <Ian_> Yes, I was aware that the tx would have to be silent if it didn't have a reliable lock, which might make for a silent flight on a really bad day!
[16:08] <edmoore> that's a stronger claim than i made
[16:08] <Ian_> GPS lock
[16:08] <edmoore> i just said that the siruation had to be handled
[16:08] <edmoore> without saying that you 'had' to silence the tx
[16:09] <craag> often carrier detect might be enough to avoid collisions with lora
[16:10] <edmoore> for example when we did tdm (a project in 2009/10) we also had uplinks sharing the time so we could do carrier detect and expo backoff
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[16:10] <craag> you could even perhaps resync the mcu time off carrier detect
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Or if your transmissions are sparse enough, it doesn't matter
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> You can randomly transmit, and the probability of collision may be acceptably low
[16:11] <craag> if they're sparse enough then you're not maximising your bandwidth!
[16:11] <craag> :P
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> yeah - not if you want images clearly
[16:11] <craag> with 23 payloads even telem would have to be v v sparse
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> Also, decent clocks will take quite a while to drift a second
[16:12] <craag> you have to think about mcu power loss though
[16:13] <adamgreig> probably get good signal from MSF there :P
[16:13] <craag> anyway - lots of ways - just don't think gps is going to solve your problems - cos the americans will screw up their corrections again and ruin your day.
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> Was GPS degraded on 9/11?
[16:21] Action: SpeedEvil forgets.
[16:22] <mfa298> if you don't have something to time your TDM from maybe just go to sparse telem strings with different spacings on each payload, at least then if they clash once they won't next time - not ideal but reasonably simple and at least gets some telemetry through.
[16:23] <Ian_> And in the landed/search phase the reception would likely be free of interference from other packages
[16:23] <adamgreig> SpeedEvil: no, it was turned off "for good" in 2000
[16:24] <adamgreig> and new GPS III satellites don't have the ability to do SA
[16:24] <adamgreig> of course, the USAF still controls the whole thing and could just turn off the civ codes, but..
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[16:43] <Laurenceb_> galileo holds all the keys on a microchip i2c eeprom
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> there are only a few in existence, and one pc for programming them, each chip and the pc is guarded mission impossible style
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> its pretty amusing
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[16:45] <Laurenceb_> there is probably secret SA functionality in galileo
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Well - if you don't care about the S part, you can just screw with the clocks
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[20:11] <mclane_> Hi everybody
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane_
[20:14] <mclane_> everything fine?
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[20:19] <david4535> Good evening
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea thanks and with you mclane_?
[20:23] <mclane_> maybe we will launch next saturday if weather allows
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> ccol
[20:23] <mclane_> small 100g ballon
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:24] <SM0ULC-Reb> evening
[20:25] <david4535> Hi.
[20:25] <david4535> I have a question: I'm looking for an off-the-shelf APRS-based HAB tracker. Any pointers to affordable trackers?
[20:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> PITS Pi In The Sky could be s good choice
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> hope it goes well mclane_
[20:28] <mclane_> let's see
[20:28] <mclane_> hope that weather is ok
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:31] <david4535> Thanks for the suggestion, but at 132 GBP the price is a bit steep though... Looking for something simpler. Just APRS position reporting.
[20:33] <edmoore> david4535: you're in the US?
[20:33] <david4535> No, Europe.
[20:33] <edmoore> but not the UK?
[20:33] <mfa298> david4535: there's a few aprs solutions out there but you might need to google, most of us use ISM transmitters as we can't use Amateur Radio airborne
[20:34] <edmoore> mfa298 is refering to the UK with his above statement
[20:34] <edmoore> aprs is a non-starter in the UK
[20:34] <david4535> I have been experimenting with OpenTracker running on a PIC micro with a Radiometrix HX1 144.800, but can't get it to work reliably and am now looking for an off the shelf solution since I'm running out of time.
[20:35] <edmoore> david4535: which country are you in?
[20:36] <david4535> Belgium. I am a licensed ham, and I can fly airborne APRS here. Ofcourse using the correct digipeat settings :-)
[20:36] <edmoore> ok
[20:36] <edmoore> maybe trackuino
[20:36] <edmoore> http://www.trackuino.org/
[20:36] <daveake> and update https://ukhas.org.uk/general:aprs_legislation#belgium :)
[20:36] <david4535> :-)
[20:37] <edmoore> oh yes, if you wouldn't mind putting in a sentence or two on belgium legality that would be a great help to everyone
[20:37] <edmoore> we're trying to make it a helpful resource for every human who fancies exploring near-space
[20:37] <mfa298> that page probably ought to be renamed to amateur radio rather than aprs
[20:38] <david4535> Sure. First I need to get a balloon up though.
[20:38] <david4535> Priorities and such :-)
[20:39] <edmoore> done
[20:39] <edmoore> well the title anyway
[20:39] <edmoore> not the page name as i don;t know from where it's linked
[20:40] <david4535> Can one buy Trackuino boards? Kit or assembled?
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[20:41] <edmoore> i'm unsure (uk-based so aprs is a non-starter and i like diy boards anyway)
[20:42] <edmoore> oh!
[20:42] <edmoore> sod that
[20:42] <edmoore> https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=57
[20:42] <edmoore> get the aprs option
[20:42] <edmoore> Upu makes these
[20:44] <Upu> its true I do.
[20:44] <Upu> However in Belgium I'd probably fly 434Mhz and/or APRS
[20:44] <edmoore> sorry i forgot there wasn an aprs flavour to habduino upu
[20:45] <Upu> yeah it does both at the same time if you want
[20:46] <edmoore> david4535: basically upu can be your ghostbuster and you should call him
[20:46] <daveake> Just don't cross the beams of RTTY and APRS
[20:46] <Upu> lol
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:49] <david4535> Hmm the Habduino kit sure looks nice indeed
[20:50] <david4535> I jhave the Radiometrix HX1 radios so I guess I could populate this myself
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[21:53] <Upu> Feel free to send it to me and I'll assemble it on so I can test it
[21:53] <Upu> I've had interesting "results" when people solder their own no disrespect
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> like contact failures or so?
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[21:55] <fsphil> or too much contact :)
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> I got myself two small step-down modules
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> looking forward to try them out
[21:59] <Upu> you'd be surpised the number of ways a HX1 can be soldered to a Habduino
[21:59] <Upu> some of them even work
[22:00] <daveake> Customers are inventive, if nothing else
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[22:02] <tridor> Hi folks, I'm having trouble with dl-fldigi.......
[22:03] <tridor> decoding my transmission is working perfectly......
[22:04] <tridor> I just can't get it to appear on the map - just testing at the moment, payload doc created, not ready for flight yet.....
[22:04] <fsphil> first stop is the logtail, http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[22:05] <tridor> no matter what I do I can't get my callsign to appear in the top left of dl-fldigi and as I understand it without that I dont stand a chance
[22:05] <tridor> nothing in the logtail, does not get that far
[22:05] <daveake> Are you getting a lime green decode box ?
[22:05] <fsphil> have you selected the payload doc in dl-fldigi?
[22:06] <tridor> chosen my payload(Infinity) from payloads testing, hit autoconfigure but does not come up in callsign
[22:07] <tridor> no green decode box
[22:07] <daveake> OK then possibly bad CRC/checksum or missing LF
[22:07] <fsphil> can you show us a screenshot of that?
[22:07] <tridor> followed to the letter https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[22:08] <tridor> what is LF?
[22:08] <daveake> line feed
[22:10] <tridor> fsphil, I'm not on the actual rig now, it's a work but I can follow this up with some screen shots next week
[22:11] <tridor> so it's quite possible that my code has a problem?
[22:11] <daveake> it is
[22:11] <fsphil> aye
[22:11] <daveake> can you post that ?
[22:11] <fsphil> the text box turns green on a valid string
[22:12] <fsphil> if it's not doing that, it's either being generated/transmitted wrong or being received incorrectly
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, I can imagine that
[22:13] <tridor> sorry guys, can't access the computer it's on at the moment but you have given me something to work with and I may well come back and post some code/screen shots next week.
[22:13] <tridor> made huge progress with this though, great fun and never thought we'd get so far!
[22:16] <fsphil> agreed, it's good fun this
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> physics never stops
[22:17] <fsphil> so brian cox likes to remind us. we're doomed!
[22:17] <tridor> it's an absolute mountain of information to climb at first but it all slowly comes together, hope we can launch May/June.
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[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[23:09] <DL7AD> fsphil: ping
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[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03Legionowo after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Legionowo
[23:22] <amell> overcome with joy at the potential arrival of lora gateway tomorrow. if the postie works on good friday that is.
[23:23] <amell> hope theres a flight soon so it can do useful things
[23:30] <fsphil> pongish DL7AD
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/03/24/2021236/nasa-competition-could-net-you-15-million-for-next-great-airship
[23:36] <Laurenceb_> not worth it for so little price money
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