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[00:13] <Ian_> Stations that are not currently connected will fall off the map after a period of time, 24 hours(?)
[00:13] <hkLo> #habhub
[00:13] <Ian_> When there is an upcoming launch you will see parts of the map light up as people switch on their equipment
[00:15] <hkLo> dear everybody. i always get in trouble to fin the right channel for seeking flight approval. isn't it *habhub?
[00:17] <adamgreig> #habhub
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[00:18] <Laurenceb_> I need to write (or c&p) a scrolling data display program, anyone got any suggestions for language and grabbable code?
[00:18] <Laurenceb_> this needs to run on windows and linux
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[00:23] <hkLo> thanks!
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[04:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS14 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS14
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[05:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
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[06:23] <Vaizki> Good morning UBSEDS14
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[07:08] <SM0ULC-Reb> morrn!
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[07:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_C1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_C1_chase
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[07:46] <junderwood> !dial BARC
[07:46] <SpacenearUS> 03junderwood: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[07:46] <junderwood> Hmm
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[07:48] <nigelp> 434.450
[07:48] <junderwood> Thanks!
[07:48] <junderwood> Mode?
[07:48] <junderwood> Looks like 150 or 300 baud
[07:48] <nigelp> 300 bd shift 720
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[07:49] <junderwood> 8n2. Thanks
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[08:17] <Upu> !dial BARC
[08:17] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:17] <Upu> early start for them its on the way down
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[08:17] <adamgreig> the flight doc you approved for them was dated in 2015
[08:17] <junderwood> Upu, 434.450, 300 baud, shift 720, 8n2 (but too late) :)
[08:18] <Upu> yep :)
[08:18] <Upu> lol adamgreig
[08:18] <Upu> I haz admin phear me
[08:18] <junderwood> The downside of 300 baud is that you're not going to get a decent landing spot.
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[08:21] <junderwood> More position strings below 2km. Smart move
[08:22] <junderwood> Not sure I would bother with SSTV for the last few frames, though
[08:23] <junderwood> I wonder if the River Windrush is in it's hole at the moment. I wouldn't bet on it given the rain over the last 24 hours
[08:24] <junderwood> Lost it.
[08:25] <junderwood> Last partial:
[08:25] <junderwood> èÓ$$BARC,547,08:2:00,41.93449,1.85972,00549,42,174,12,6.2,4.1,175*A5B3
[08:25] <junderwood> I still have a very weak signal so it could be in a tree
[08:25] <Upu> I think Dave amended the code
[08:25] <Upu> so it did more positions
[08:26] <Upu> we discussed switching to 50 baud as well
[08:26] <Upu> The guy from BARC (if its them flying) is a climber
[08:27] <fsphil> 300 might actually be better than 50 in the last few minutes, gives you more positions
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[08:28] <junderwood> Agreed. But don't bother with the SSTV
[08:29] <fsphil> yeah, don't need images in the last few km
[08:29] <junderwood> It was still interleaving SSTV and data at the end. I would just turn off SSTV at 2km
[08:29] <junderwood> Looks close to the Windrush.
[08:29] <fsphil> this flight was much too early for me. it was already near the ground when I turned stuff on
[08:29] <junderwood> There is a flood warning for that river at the moment :(
[08:30] <junderwood> I spotted it just after burst. It's nice to have a few minutes warning
[08:31] <fsphil> yeah
[08:32] <daveake> 300 baud with 1:1 telem:SSDV still has much more frequent telemetry packets than good old 50 baud
[08:32] <fsphil> there, dl-fldigi compiled :)
[08:32] <Vaizki> oooooo...
[08:32] <daveake> So rather than complicate things by having it switch SSDV off before landing, and then on again after (landing pix are often useful in locating the payload), I kept it simple
[08:33] <fsphil> how long does a typical string at 50 baud take? I can't remember
[08:33] <Vaizki> 10 sex
[08:33] <Vaizki> Sec!
[08:33] <Vaizki> Autocorrect ftw
[08:34] <fsphil> about 10 seconds for an ssdv packet too, so yeah
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[08:36] <daveake> 15 seconds or so
[08:36] <daveake> I shall adjust my "much more frequent" answer to be "slightly more" :)
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[08:39] <daey> Upu: how did you calculate the multi stage si4060 output filter? Or did you use "commonly known" values from a table?
[08:39] <Upu> I'd like to say i calculated it using maths and science but truth be told I just copied the 434Mhz reference circuit from the datasheets
[08:40] <adamgreig> there's one or more app notes you just must read with this
[08:40] <Upu> yup
[08:40] <adamgreig> the datasheet alone is not sufficient
[08:40] <daey> Upu: oh there is one with values? i only found the reference schematic with "L1, L2, C1, C2 ..." designations
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[08:40] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/PDFS/AN414.pdf
[08:40] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/PDFS/AN625.pdf
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[08:40] <adamgreig> http://www.silabs.com/support/pages/document-library.aspx?p=Wireless%20-%20Proprietary&f=EZRadioPRO&pn=Si4060
[08:41] <adamgreig> those are all the relevant docs for the si4060
[08:41] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/PDFS/AN643%20Si446x%20RX%20LNA%20Matching.pdf
[08:41] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/PDFS/AN629%20SI4464%20Design%20Recommendations.pdf
[08:41] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/PDFS/AN643.pdf
[08:41] <adamgreig> you should consult at least AN627
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[08:41] <adamgreig> but yes all those other links from upu are probably somewhat relevant
[08:41] <Upu> those are all the ones I used
[08:42] <adamgreig> instead of AN625 you should probably use the new HTML docs for the API
[08:42] <Upu> yeah thats probably out of date
[08:43] <adamgreig> AN627 http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN627.pdf is what you want for the RF balun and filter section though
[08:43] <adamgreig> it has both recommend designs (and values) for different bands and powers and drive modes, and also the theory and derivation behind it
[08:44] <adamgreig> note that there are tradeoffs in choosing between cle and sqw and swc TX modes
[08:44] <adamgreig> and they'll need different passives
[08:44] <adamgreig> an627 covers all that
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[08:57] <AndyEsser> morning
[08:58] <gonzo_> morning
[09:00] <R34lB0rg> good morning everyone, reporting 98521 Pa and brilliant sunlight
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[09:19] <DL7AD> good morning
[09:20] <DL7AD> nice ssdv pictures :)
[09:21] <fsphil> sunrise/sunset does always look good at altitude
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[09:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039A3GLO-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=9A3GLO-11
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[10:10] <SM0ULC-Reb> ello
[10:10] <SM0ULC-Reb> probably some really nice pics on the memcard :)
[10:19] <fsphil> stuck up a tree
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[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03hkLo1 after 0312 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hkLo1
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[11:25] <AndyEsser> edmoore: heard back from Chris - I'm going to pop down, probably weekend after the bank holiday for lunch/coffee in case you wanted to come along as well
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[11:27] <edmoore> what's that in dates
[11:27] <AndyEsser> Saturday 2nd April I believe
[11:28] <AndyEsser> yes
[11:28] <edmoore> also this is reason #36759 why life is complicated https://www.dropbox.com/s/qbblpwogmwlx3is/Screenshot%202016-03-10%2011.26.46.png?dl=0
[11:28] <AndyEsser> hahaha
[11:28] <edmoore> ok put me down
[11:28] <Vaizki> that is reason #1 why they sell those ridicilously expensive RAL color "fans"
[11:28] <edmoore> if it's a daytime thing
[11:29] <AndyEsser> edmoore: yea I said lunchtime type thing
[11:29] <edmoore> cool
[11:29] <AndyEsser> are you wanting me to pick you up en route, or you going to make your own way?
[11:29] <edmoore> i'm in
[11:29] <edmoore> no i'll diy
[11:29] <AndyEsser> sounds good
[11:29] <Vaizki> I was wondering there for a sec why are you in need of euthanising ...
[11:30] <AndyEsser> edmoore: hoping I might have my PCB's printed and assembled by then - show it to him :)
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
[11:36] <AndyEsser> god NASA love their acronyms
[11:36] <AndyEsser> "MWA is a maintenance work area".... just call it a workbench
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[12:19] <fsphil> that is the nominal name
[12:19] <AndyEsser> hehe
[12:19] <fsphil> nasa have a language all of their own
[12:20] <fsphil> pilots too. I've listened to pilots and have no idea of 80% of what they say
[12:20] <AndyEsser> "Err rgr - climbing to FL300 and we are code 45"
[12:20] <AndyEsser> = "Yes, I've gone up a bit higher and done a poo"
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[13:15] <SM0ULC-Reb> Time to beam the HABs.. https://thestack.com/world/2016/03/09/laser-system-set-to-revolutionise-future-aircraft-satellite-data-links/
[13:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hkLoCar_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hkLoCar_chase
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[14:39] <Matt_PrjHet> Afternoon all. Once we get this launch done I might upgrade my laptop from Windows 8.1 to 10. Has anyone had any issues with DL-FLDIGI/SDRSharp/FunCube Dongle?
[14:39] <Matt_PrjHet> ...after upgrading to Windows 10
[14:40] <mfa298> FCD Pro+ + SDR Radio + dl-fldigi have worked ok for me on win10, not tried sdr#
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[14:57] <fab4space> hello all
[14:57] <fab4space> have you looked at these 20€ LNA: http://lna4all.blogspot.fr/
[14:58] <fab4space> they seem to be interesting for RTL-SDR dongles for 434 / 868Mhz , and LoRa gateways
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[14:59] <mfa298> fab4space: for hab tracking with the rtlsdr the habamp may well be better as it also has some filtering.
[15:00] <mfa298> the lna4all may well be a good general purpose with no filtering (I think others may have used it)
[15:01] <fab4space> yes it lacks the filter of habamp
[15:01] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE-M -> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap
[15:04] <craag> Also appears to lack a box + connectors?
[15:04] <fab4space> the 20€ version has the 2 SMA connectors
[15:05] <fab4space> but no box
[15:09] <craag> So no box and no power socket - not much cheaper than the habamp once you've sorted that ;)
[15:10] <craag> But obviously it's a nice '4all' board. Uses same lna device as habamp too!
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[15:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> looks like hkLo1 have gone into float mode
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[15:59] <fab4space> yes craag , missing filter, box and power socket compared to habamp :)
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[16:10] <craag> sorry - making boards with awkward part footprints today has left me bitter
[16:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EOS_C1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EOS_C1_chase
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[16:53] <garymortimer> Is that balloon over Italy solar? If so anyone have a link for its construction???
[16:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-11
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[17:36] <Vaizki> what's up with hkLo1.. coming down sloooow
[17:41] <namor> dear habhubers. hkLo1 here. do i need a special link for a landing prediction. sorry to have to ask (again)
[17:44] <Vaizki> just loknat the tracker?
[17:44] <namor> descent. as expected..
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[17:44] <Vaizki> right now predi ted to land in Ortona
[17:45] <Vaizki> Tortona :)
[17:45] <namor> what is loknat?
[17:45] <Vaizki> sorry ipad irc
[17:46] <Vaizki> http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=11&qm=1_hour&f=hkLo1&q=hk*
[17:47] <namor> ok. was unsurr. last time the line was blues
[17:48] <Vaizki> with such slow descent prediction will vary greatly
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[17:49] <namor> ok. thanks. last time it was spot on ;o)
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[17:57] <Vaizki> I hope you find it in the dark :)
[17:57] <namor> thank you?
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[18:10] <garymortimer> @namor do you have a link to how you made the balloon??
[18:11] <garymortimer> hklo1 has sped its descent up....
[18:12] <garymortimer> that chase car needs to move off....
[18:12] <garymortimer> They must be wondering which side of teh river it will be
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[18:19] <garymortimer> Best of luck namor its going to be very close to the water!
[18:21] <garymortimer> It will want to flow downstream at low level
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[18:28] <garymortimer> Feet dry nice one namor nice
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[19:35] <tweetBot> @petejbell: @daveake's fantastic site is rightfully linked from this BBC article: #ukhas https://t.co/R7tcbKJSwy
[19:35] <chris_99> cool
[19:35] <chris_99> didn't know they'd realeased that BBC mcu pcb thingyjig
[19:35] <chris_99> either
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[19:36] <mfa298> just keep ed away from them: "The first BBC micro:bit in space? Almost certainly."
[19:37] <chris_99> haha only just noticed the title
[19:38] <daveake> Yeah I was about to mention that :/
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[19:43] Action: kc2pit feels ed's pain.
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[19:58] <michal_f> hi
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[20:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAPROS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAPROS
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[21:10] <habby> daveake - is the speed in PITS m/s?
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[21:15] <habby> Or, does anyone know what unit is used for speed in the PITS telemetry string?
[21:16] <habby> Never mind. I can Google http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=getting-on-the-map
[21:18] <habby> So, we clocked 183m/s, but that is horizontal speed...? So, anyone care to guess how fast were we going vertically?
[21:19] <edmoore> after burst?
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[21:20] <edmoore> or during the flight habby?
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[21:28] <Vaizki> I'll venture 42m/s
[21:28] <Vaizki> 42 is the answer, it's just the units or question that needs to be adapted
[21:28] <edmoore> not bad actually
[21:28] <edmoore> -50 is pretty typical immediately after burst
[21:28] <edmoore> m/s
[21:29] <Vaizki> well it was not a blind guess, I have been stalking a few launches
[21:30] Action: Laurenceb_ was wondering about a HAB platform for hot air ballute simulation
[21:30] <Vaizki> I may even have made a fool of myself the first time around by wondering if there is a chute at all on that thing.. while all it was missing was air
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> dunno how realistic it would be
[21:31] <edmoore> a rocket boost vertically downwards?
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> ooh nice plan
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> I was thinking just drop
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> rocket boost would get heavy
[21:31] <edmoore> you might buy yourself a bit more wiggle room on balloons and masses if you start a bit lower and give it a kick
[21:31] <Vaizki> and all permissiony
[21:32] <edmoore> though you then have to get the motor clear before deployment
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> I was thinking something along these lines amazingdiyprojects.com/pdf/edf_microafterburner.pdf
[21:34] <daveake> habby it's kph
[21:35] <kc2pit> Wait, what kind of weather system had 183 m/s horizontal winds?
[21:35] <kc2pit> Oh, heh.
[21:35] <edmoore> that's still plausible in the jetstream
[21:35] <edmoore> (180m/s)
[21:36] <edmoore> maybe that's a bit high actually
[21:36] <kc2pit> I was just looking that up. Record speeds are around 110 m/s.
[21:36] <edmoore> 400kph is iirc the fastest measured
[21:36] <edmoore> ish
[21:45] <Vaizki> well it's sheep-ish and sleep-ish over here so g'nite and stay safe rocketmen.. &
[21:46] <habby> daveake - the doc I linked to states it is in m/s?
[21:46] <daveake> yeah it's wrong
[21:47] <edmoore> habby: looking at your dataset, looks like about -50 on the money
[21:47] <habby> Sorry, been away, left wife's haridryer at work (to put the hose on the gas tank adapter!)
[21:47] <edmoore> m/s vertical after burst
[21:47] <edmoore> anything logged onboard might be more accurate and perhaps briefly higher but I dunno
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[21:49] <daveake> yeah habby you can check the gps.txt log ... import into a spreadsheet and add a V speed column
[21:49] <habby> Thanks edmoore, how did you find/calculate that?
[21:50] <edmoore> the logs that go to habhub are available but x-f is a wunderkind who has made an interactive plottermatronajizzm
[21:50] <edmoore> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/RISHTI#g/_vertical_rate,_speed
[21:50] <edmoore> so top-left has 'time interval' which you might want to set to nicely bookend your flight
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[21:51] <edmoore> and you can plot various parameters against time
[21:51] <edmoore> i have done V and h there
[21:52] <edmoore> you can see the big drop in V after burst to minus 40-something, close to -50
[21:52] <edmoore> for ref, the speed of sound up there (it's just a function of temperature for a given gas, nowt to do with pressure) is about 250m/s
[21:52] <edmoore> so 50m/s is about mach 0.2
[21:54] <habby> Thanks all. I'm having a play with the x-f, it looks ace!
[21:54] <edmoore> it's great
[21:54] <edmoore> ttfn
[21:56] <habby> So, if daveake says its in kph, then we reached 183kph horizontal speed, probably in the jet stream? (That's from the telemetry.txt file in PITS).
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[21:57] <habby> Cool, so mach 0.2 vertical drop. The kids will love these stats. Thanks again :)
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[22:13] <habby> daveake, my gps.txt is showing a callsign of $GNGGA, rather than $RISHTI ?
[22:13] <daveake> That's not a callsign
[22:14] <daveake> The clue is in the filename
[22:14] <daveake> It's a lot of GPS sentences, not telemetry.
[22:15] <daveake> Log
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[22:18] <habby> Thanks, is there a list of headers somewhere? (I've checked the manual!) :)
[22:18] <Upu> google NMEA GNGGA string
[22:18] <Upu> its what comes off the GPS
[22:18] <habby> Thanks Upu
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> The hole picture of the recent spacex landing.
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> http://public.cyndyclayton.fastmail.us/ASDS/2016-03-08%20OCISLY%20aerial%282%29.jpg
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