highaltitude.log.20160307

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[00:18] <LunarMobile> Good night
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[00:27] <Evidlo> Is doppler shift something I need to worry about with rockoons?
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[00:33] <SpeedEvil> Probably not
[00:33] <SpeedEvil> As the clocks are not going to be accurate enough to pick up +-100mph
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[01:22] <Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39537.0;attach=1102623;image
[01:22] <Laurenceb_> lol animal enclosure
[01:22] <Laurenceb_> wonder how big it is
[01:23] <Laurenceb_> 2polar == 2 polar bears?
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[01:58] <clwillingham> Hey, so I just finished setting up a flight with GenPayload. The payload is ready for launch on March 19th or 20th at 9am in Plant City, Florida. Here's the Doc ID: 0e621d537d1afb4a92b63f14a560c9f0. is there anything else i need to do to get it approved?
[02:03] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[02:07] <Ian_> clwillingham, If you have tested your payload configuration document via dl_fldigi OK then use it to make a flight document and post the flight document ID on #habhub asking for it to be approved. An admin should do it, but many will be abed at the moment, although I believe there are admins in the antipodes. Check back later to bump or read that it has been approved.
[02:07] <Ian_> Not something I have done myself yet though :)
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[02:13] <clwillingham> Thanks, yeah thats fine, no rush. We're not using fldigi, we're using a LoRa transceiver. I have tested the configuration on habhub though, and it seems to be working pretty well.
[02:13] <clwillingham> I keep forgetting the timezone differences, sorry
[02:15] <Laurenceb_> wow they actually built something
[02:15] <Laurenceb_> http://exploration.esa.int/mars/47852-entry-descent-and-landing-demonstrator-module/
[02:16] <Laurenceb_> I remember going on a school tour or exomars development stuff back in 2003
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[02:47] <Laurenceb_> http://www.solartran.com.au/load_transporter.htm
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[03:14] <Evidlo> Plant City?
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[04:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
[04:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 036787498622_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=6787498622_chase
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[08:16] <habby> Morning! Is there any reason why I should not include a GPS Tracker as a 'back-up' tracker for my launch today? (A colleague has just brought one in to me)
[08:16] <habby> It is this one
[08:16] <habby> http://sentintospace.com/products-page/electronics/locator/#ad-image-0
[08:22] <daveake> You can add it; it won't do any harm, and it might even work.
[08:22] <daveake> That price is more than twice what they cost on ebay, btw
[08:23] <R34lB0rg> tracker looks nice but rather heavy
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[08:24] <R34lB0rg> if you want to reduce the risk of loosing your payload you want a backup system
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[08:27] <daveake> It is a backup system, albeit not a very good one.
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[08:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RISHTI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RISHTI
[09:06] <daveake> habby Did you get the permission? I still see not NOTAM for RISHTI
[09:08] <adamgreig> unhelpfully the CAA don't have a public database of permission/exemption documents
[09:08] <adamgreig> and the notam has no instrinsic bearing on whether it's legal to launch
[09:08] <daveake> Yes, shame
[09:08] <daveake> yup
[09:08] <adamgreig> he said yesterday he did get the permission/exemption doc though
[09:09] <adamgreig> caa apparently promised to release a notam this am
[09:09] <habby> We are still waiting on it.
[09:10] <daveake> At 1degC external temp I you might want to wait inside :)
[09:10] <habby> They need to swap the name over from a student's to mine for public liabilityinsurance reasons, apparently. They said it might be 11am...
[09:10] <habby> afk - going up to the launch site.
[09:10] <habby> There's an inside up there ;)
[09:10] <daveake> cool
[09:10] <daveake> er, warm
[09:11] <gonzo_> 'liability insurance reason' sounds ominous
[09:17] <daveake> Either spring has arrived on Yorkshire, or RISHTI is now indoors
[09:17] <daveake> in
[09:18] <AndyEsser> morning
[09:19] <edmoore> morning
[09:21] <gonzo_> morning
[09:22] <fsphil> morning!
[09:23] <daveake> morning!!
[09:23] <dbrooke> morning!!!
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[09:43] <AndyEsser> I believe there was a discussion about this last week, but can't remember who was in it
[09:44] <AndyEsser> what PCB thickness do people tend to go for, when ordering from Dirty PCB?
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[09:45] <habby_> Just a quick note - we have just spoke to them again and they are preparing the NOTAM now for 11am.
[09:45] <R34lB0rg> I think WB8ELK mentioned very thin pcbs and where he is getting them from
[09:45] <habby_> gotta go
[09:45] <R34lB0rg> habby_, great!
[09:46] <AndyEsser> good luck habby_
[09:52] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, I think 1.2 or 1.6mm is common. WB8ELK used 0.6mm pcb from Hackvana
[09:53] <AndyEsser> yea, I saw that dirty pcb had 0.6mm and was wondering if that was "too thin"
[09:53] <habby_> NOTAM issued. 10:45 - 12pm
[09:53] <AndyEsser> nice
[09:53] <AndyEsser> :)
[09:53] <Vaizki> I would stick with 1.6mm for a non-floater
[09:53] <Vaizki> why risk it..
[09:53] <AndyEsser> fair enough
[09:54] <AndyEsser> right $58 to get PCB's here within about 2-3 weeks
[09:54] <AndyEsser> not too bad
[09:54] <Vaizki> hackvana has 0.4mm too.. :)
[09:55] <AndyEsser> I'd snap that just by looking at it
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[09:58] <Geoff-G8-> What are the prediction parameters on the tracker set to ?
[10:02] <Geoff-G8-> looks more like a floater for RISHT1 here!
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[10:05] <habby> I hope not Geoff-G8-
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[10:05] <edmoore> Upu / daveake - cos i think you met him - peter gibbs did a radio prog yesterday about antarctica http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b072htqp
[10:07] <AndyEsser> damnit... should've brought my laptop and antenna with me :(
[10:07] <AndyEsser> didn't realise it was so close to me
[10:08] <daveake> Cheers edmoore
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[10:09] <AndyEsser> edmoore: the steel stencil is the thing I want to help me with the solder paste, right?
[10:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RishT1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RishT1_chase
[10:10] <Upu> cheers edmoore
[10:11] <edmoore> AndyEsser: yes
[10:12] <AndyEsser> ta
[10:14] <AndyEsser> interesting... 10 boards for $53
[10:14] <AndyEsser> or 100 for $100
[10:14] Action: AndyEsser imagines his house overflowing with boards
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[10:15] <adamgreig> edmoore: did you see maciej is back from antarctica?
[10:15] <edmoore> no
[10:15] <fsphil> never order 100 of a first revision :)
[10:15] <adamgreig> you're going to be jealous of his trip from the sounds of it
[10:15] <adamgreig> "We got extremely lucky."
[10:15] <AndyEsser> fsphil: I know ;) was going to do a small order, check there are no amendments, and then maybe order larger quantities after that :P
[10:15] <adamgreig> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/431908798/send-idle-words-to-antarctica/posts/1511804
[10:15] <edmoore> i see a tweet from baconmeteor
[10:16] <edmoore> cool
[10:16] <edmoore> http://idlewords.com/images/inspection_committee.jpg
[10:16] <fsphil> hah
[10:16] <fsphil> penguins are great
[10:16] <fsphil> well, apart from the smell
[10:17] <tweetBot> @G7IGB: UBSEDS14 balloon launches today: Former Chelmsford radio amateur Richard Meadows... https://t.co/vYuJQgstj2 #hamradio #ukhas
[10:17] <AndyEsser> very impressive $38,000 raised for a holiday on KS ;)
[10:17] <adamgreig> not bad huh
[10:17] <adamgreig> have you read any of his travel writing though?
[10:18] <adamgreig> start with 'argentina on two steaks a day' if not
[10:18] <AndyEsser> never heard of him before
[10:18] <edmoore> me?
[10:18] <AndyEsser> shall take a looksie now
[10:18] <edmoore> yes all of it
[10:18] <adamgreig> no AndyEsser
[10:18] <edmoore> oh sorry
[10:18] <edmoore> right
[10:18] <adamgreig> of course you have :P
[10:18] <edmoore> you're both the sam colour and len(username) in my client so i couldn;t see a conversation between two people
[10:18] <adamgreig> oh god I hate that
[10:18] <AndyEsser> I have that at times
[10:19] <AndyEsser> more annoying is when someone's netmask changes, and their colour changes as a result
[10:19] <adamgreig> in irssi i modified nickcolor so same length nicks wouldn't get the same colour
[10:19] <edmoore> russss: ^
[10:19] <adamgreig> mine hashes the username to get a colour atm
[10:19] <adamgreig> so people always have a colour
[10:19] <AndyEsser> ah, I thought default was netmask
[10:19] <adamgreig> but solarized gives me a very limited palette of usable nick colours
[10:19] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/706594399170510848
[10:19] <AndyEsser> https://twitter.com/LeadHyperion/status/706595736838938624
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[10:19] <AndyEsser> for the record... my car is a dick
[10:20] <adamgreig> lol
[10:20] <AndyEsser> but at least I know the pressure sensors work
[10:20] <fsphil> 0 psi .. vacuum?
[10:20] <AndyEsser> ha
[10:21] <fsphil> you might have other problems
[10:21] <AndyEsser> I hadn't actually thought of that
[10:21] <adamgreig> 0 gauge I would imagine :P
[10:21] <AndyEsser> Atmosphere + 0 :P
[10:21] <AndyEsser> to give you an indication of how large the 'hole' was, the rubber from the tyre inflation kit (the white stuff) dispersed that far in about 1.5 seconds
[10:21] <russss> edmoore: yeah that's a known issue (and it's pretty much the same thing adamgreig describes - it hashes the username into a limited palette of colours)
[10:22] <edmoore> maybe if i go non-monospace the lengths might be subtly different
[10:22] <AndyEsser> ewww
[10:22] <adamgreig> there's no really good way to assign same-length nicks different colours sadly
[10:23] <AndyEsser> Would it not just be easier for me to not have a conversation with adamgreig?
[10:23] <AndyEsser> for the benefit of edmoore
[10:23] <AndyEsser> :)
[10:23] <adamgreig> haha
[10:24] <fsphil> assign a random picture in place of the nick
[10:24] <adamgreig> hah
[10:24] <AndyEsser> fsphil: doesn't work so well on a command line client
[10:24] <AndyEsser> unless it's all ascii art
[10:24] <adamgreig> you could use emojis
[10:24] <adamgreig> loads of them
[10:24] <adamgreig> easily enough to give everyone in this channel one each :P
[10:24] <AndyEsser> damnit
[10:24] <AndyEsser> (o°¡°)o5 ;;
[10:24] <edmoore> enough
[10:24] <AndyEsser> won't let me set my nickname to that
[10:25] <fsphil> do they work in irc? 🌟
[10:25] <adamgreig> 💩
[10:25] <adamgreig> they work for me but your client needs to support unicode off the basic multilingual plane, and you need a suitable font installed
[10:25] <fsphil> nothing here. probably for the best
[10:25] <russss> yeah nicknames in irc are still restricted to a limited subset of ascii
[10:25] <AndyEsser> yea
[10:25] <adamgreig> isn't irccloud working on various irc extensions for things like avatars anyway
[10:26] <AndyEsser> why not just use Slack then...
[10:26] <adamgreig> slack would be terrible for something like this channel
[10:26] <fsphil> isn't that a propriatry irc thing?
[10:26] <adamgreig> kiiiind of?
[10:27] <fsphil> like it's kind of irc but with extras, but not irc that you can use an irc client
[10:27] <adamgreig> it's like irc in a lot of respects but very unlike it in the publically-accessible sense
[10:27] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: appreciate slack is invite to teams, which is annoying
[10:27] <adamgreig> you can actually use slack with an irc client
[10:27] <fsphil> ah cool
[10:27] <adamgreig> the real difference imo is that it's an internal tool for teams really
[10:27] <AndyEsser> a lot of people refer to it as "modern IRC"
[10:27] <adamgreig> so uniquely unsuited for #ha and stuff
[10:28] <AndyEsser> but yea, the invite to teams requirement is annoying for public stuff
[10:28] <adamgreig> even without invites, the design is basically one 'irc network' per group/team/project
[10:28] <adamgreig> so it would be hugely annoying to be on a load of very orthogonal channels
[10:28] <AndyEsser> hmm true - I guess since I use it with 2 separate teams
[10:28] <AndyEsser> rather than a bunch of single channels with different topics I hadn't thought of it
[10:29] <adamgreig> I use it for two separate organisations too, and just swapping between those two is enough of a pain that I use two tabs instead
[10:29] <adamgreig> my irc client has like 30 channels or something, almost all of which are totally unrelated to each other
[10:29] <AndyEsser> interesting - I just do Alt+1 or Alt+2
[10:29] <AndyEsser> just like in irssi
[10:29] <adamgreig> alt1+2 swaps between tabs in all my browsers..?
[10:29] <adamgreig> I don't have 30 numeric buttons on my keyboard either
[10:29] <AndyEsser> err - Ctrl+1 or Ctrl+2 I meant sorry
[10:29] <AndyEsser> also, I use the desktop client, not web
[10:30] <gonzo_> geta bigger kbd
[10:30] <adamgreig> ah fe
[10:30] <adamgreig> gonzo_: I can but dream
[10:30] <adamgreig> anyway I think slack is a terrible IRC replacement but really good for interteam comms :P
[10:31] <AndyEsser> Yea, I think I can get behind that sentiment
[10:31] <AndyEsser> suspect it's why I currently use both :)
[10:31] <AndyEsser> plus Google Hangouts, and Skype, and Facebook Messenger
[10:31] <AndyEsser> *sigh*
[10:31] <adamgreig> whatsapp, signal, ..
[10:32] <AndyEsser> o yea, WhatsApp as well
[10:32] <AndyEsser> what's signal?
[10:32] <AndyEsser> encrypted voice call, according to my quick google
[10:33] <adamgreig> and messaging, more to the point (for me)
[10:33] <adamgreig> https://whispersystems.org/
[10:33] <adamgreig> it does both anyway
[10:33] <adamgreig> with somewhat more in the way of guarantees and ensurances over the crypto part of it than whatsapp etc
[10:33] <AndyEsser> are there unique keys generated per conversation?
[10:34] <adamgreig> you have a persistent personal keypair and then ephemeral keys per conversation with forward secrecy
[10:34] <adamgreig> same sort of deal as modern https if you know how that works
[10:34] <russss> https://whispersystems.org/blog/advanced-ratcheting/
[10:35] <adamgreig> that's the page I was looking for
[10:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC after 0318 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
[10:36] <AndyEsser> ta
[10:36] <AndyEsser> now to get people to actually move onto it...
[10:36] <adamgreig> it's quite clever and no one seems to have very much bad to say about it
[10:37] <adamgreig> though mostly I settle for whatsapp which is apparently end to end encrypted but also works really well and loads of people are happy to use it :P
[10:37] <adamgreig> hangouts is 90s junk in comparison
[10:37] <AndyEsser> Yea
[10:37] <AndyEsser> there's only one person I use Hangouts with
[10:37] <russss> whatsapp uses the textsecure/signal protocol for encryption anyway
[10:37] <AndyEsser> need to bring him up to the 21st century
[10:38] <russss> though I'm not sure if it does so in all situations
[10:38] <Upu> another announced flight from BARC :)
[10:38] <adamgreig> it's really unclear exactly how and when it does
[10:38] <adamgreig> their own documentation is pretty sparse on the matter from what I could find, and there's no way of checking if a specific message or conversation is encrypted or not or what
[10:38] <adamgreig> signal at least has facilities for verifying key material and stuff
[10:38] <adamgreig> https://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/general/21864047 "
[10:38] <adamgreig> WhatsApp communication between your phone and our server is encrypted.
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[10:40] <PE1ANS> payload barc
[10:40] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:40] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03RISHTI 10(c27f), 03UBSEDS14 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(39cd)
[10:41] <pb0ahx> !dial barc
[10:41] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:42] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: I'm guessing building in a 2FA method for accessing payload data is a bit extreme for my tracker? :P
[10:42] <pb0ahx> no some body the frequentie of BARC
[10:42] <Geoff-G8-> !barc
[10:42] <Geoff-G8-> !dial BARC
[10:42] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8-: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[10:45] <Upu> yup :)
[10:45] <nigelp> 434.45079
[10:46] <adamgreig> AndyEsser: the payload data that you're going to be transmitting publically?
[10:46] <adamgreig> there don't seem to be many obvious ways to use 2fa on a payload :P
[10:51] <gonzo_> BARC don't always announce on/use habhub
[10:53] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: payload transmission will have bare minimum required - it's entirely possible that there is data I don't transmit, and just store locally :P
[10:53] <AndyEsser> (I was being facetious anyway)
[10:53] <AndyEsser> unless a 'client' required the data to be secure for whatever reason
[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HYDEST001 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HYDEST001
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[10:56] <Upu> suspect RISHTI will be up soon I can see it on the waterfall
[10:58] <adamgreig> 2fa doesn't really help you with storing data locally
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[11:00] <AndyEsser> (apologies - there was stuff I missed as it was only supposed to be a quick) - the 2FA would be to log into my RS232 CLI to access the data/configuration - the SD Card data would I suspect, in that case, be encrypted at rest as well
[11:00] <pb0ahx> some body know the shift and the speed off BARC ????
[11:02] <nigelp> speed 300 shift 710
[11:02] <PE1ANS> 300 baud 8n1 710
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[11:03] <Upu> not entirely sure that isn't on the ground
[11:07] <Upu> yeah RISHTI is still on the ground though I'm getting partials as I'm so close
[11:07] <fsphil> using the antenna of sauron?
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[11:09] <pb0ahx> i got him but lot of qrm on frequentie here
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[11:10] <AndyEsser> in case anyone is interested: playlist of youtube videos from Meeting C++ 2015 which focussed on embedded development
[11:10] <AndyEsser> https://goo.gl/UuYyq4
[11:10] <PE2G> !flights
[11:10] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03RISHTI 10(c27f), 03UBSEDS14 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(39cd)
[11:11] <edmoore> AndyEsser: if posting links about c++ for embedded then we'd appreciate a nsfw tag
[11:11] <edmoore> thanks
[11:12] <AndyEsser> Apologies, I shall remember that for future
[11:12] <AndyEsser> At least I didn't just paste and go :)
[11:13] <Upu> yes fsphil :)
[11:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UBSEDS14 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS14
[11:13] <Upu> its drifting in and out from pretty much zero signal to decodable so not sure if there is a tree in the way to something
[11:14] <fsphil> could be them walking around it
[11:20] <gonzo_> who was it landed at lakenheath last week?
[11:20] <AndyEsser> BALYOLO
[11:21] <gonzo_> ah yes.
[11:25] <fsphil> 4m was an odd thing. I noticed at the club it was all the older guys that seem to be using it
[11:25] <fsphil> oops, wrong channel :)
[11:26] <fsphil> (vs. other new bands that tend to be used by experimenters)
[11:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[11:34] <AndyEsser> o0o there's a clang avr compiler/linker chain
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[11:44] <Upu> either up or under the ballon as the signal just went through the roof
[11:44] <Upu> its up
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9PD - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9PD
[11:48] <edmoore> they want to transport their bottoms to cambridge pretty sharpish
[11:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RISHTI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RISHTI_chase
[11:49] <Upu> they have a second chase car
[11:49] <Upu> apparenlty
[11:52] <edmoore> la voiture de poursuite le deuxieme
[11:52] <edmoore> very grand
[11:52] <PE2G> BARC burst
[11:53] <daveake> RISHTI up
[11:55] <Upu> so close in theory I need to elevate
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[11:55] <edmoore> also your antenna might have to
[11:56] <Upu> bah dum
[11:56] <Upu> nice landing location too.
[11:56] <Upu> Not an RAF base
[11:56] <Upu> always a winner
[11:57] <Upu> interesting image
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[11:59] <fsphil> oh, pics
[11:59] <daveake> ssdv so slow today :p
[11:59] <fsphil> is that a bbc thing?
[11:59] <daveake> yeah
[11:59] <Upu> think its meant to be that way up ?
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03QM-SkyPi-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=QM-SkyPi-2
[12:00] <daveake> good question
[12:00] <g3wdi> frequency please
[12:00] <Upu> 434.250
[12:00] <fsphil> oh it's pointing up at the balloon
[12:00] <fsphil> that's new
[12:00] <Upu> looks like a rigging line caught
[12:00] <edmoore> is this frequency in use please
[12:00] <Upu> lol
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[12:01] <daveake> Upu yes I agree
[12:01] <fsphil> oh yes I see the cord stuck to the ... whatever that is
[12:01] <edmoore> oh are we doing the first mininut or whatever it's called on a hab?
[12:01] <Upu> switch tracking computer to horizontal polarisation
[12:01] <fsphil> the coxon km
[12:01] <Upu> yeah looks like we have an oopsie
[12:02] <Upu> will sort itself at burst :)
[12:02] <fsphil> it might undo itself before then
[12:02] <edmoore> might shear the little man off
[12:02] <PE2G> !dial c27f
[12:02] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03RISHTI 10(c27f): none
[12:02] <craag> hmm is this my bbc micro delivery :D
[12:02] <fsphil> they get many points of it catches the moment of burst
[12:03] <daveake> hah
[12:03] <fsphil> of/if
[12:03] <edmoore> 7
[12:03] <edmoore> 7 points they get
[12:03] <edmoore> which is a lot
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[12:03] <daveake> Funnily enough I just added "video burst, extract burst images and send as SSDV" to my "things to do on a HAB" list
[12:05] <daveake> Has anyone (deliberately) done SSDV pointing up yet?
[12:06] <Upu> jsut spoken to him apparently it bounced on the ground on launch
[12:06] <daveake> needs to run faster
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[12:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03RISHTI 10(c27f), 03UBSEDS14 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(39cd)
[12:10] <fsphil> can see some of the LEDs on
[12:10] <Upu> was a student
[12:10] <pb0ahx> !dial c27f
[12:10] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03RISHTI 10(c27f): none
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[12:11] <pb0ahx> know some body frequentie off RISHTI ??
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.250 is stated
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[12:12] <pb0ahx> Geoff-G8DHE, tnx info
[12:13] <Vaizki> so is the "bbc thingy" doing anything except flashing leds here? :O
[12:14] <Upu> that Vaizki
[12:14] <fsphil> just that
[12:14] <Vaizki> In the last week Mr McGarry and Mr Bell have launched Rishworths first Space Project and have
[12:14] <Vaizki> been busy recruiting for flight officers and all sorts of technical roles. Now, just in case you nodded
[12:14] <Vaizki> off a few minutes ago and woke up thinking that I just said Space Project, you didnt mishear.
[12:14] <Vaizki> Rishworth School is going to space!
[12:14] <Vaizki> dammit.
[12:14] <fsphil> :/
[12:14] <Upu> artist license
[12:15] <AndyEsser> "space"
[12:15] <Upu> bang on 434.250
[12:15] <Vaizki> I will classify this headmaster as waste of space
[12:15] <Vaizki> :)
[12:15] <Upu> its near enough to get the kids interested
[12:15] <Upu> afk walking dog
[12:15] <AndyEsser> just say the "near" bit really quietly
[12:15] <AndyEsser> near SPACE
[12:15] <Matt_PrjHet> Howdy gents.
[12:16] <Vaizki> n... SPAAAACE!
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[12:16] <fsphil> well, this flight will actually get images of space
[12:16] <daveake> :)
[12:17] <Matt_PrjHet> Is a due South launch out of Cambridge a no no because of Stanstead?
[12:17] <fsphil> shame the balloon will be so bright, it could probably detect stars
[12:17] <fsphil> well, the bright balloon and the spinning of the payload
[12:17] <cm13g09> Matt_PrjHet: I'd suggest probably not the best idea......
[12:18] <Matt_PrjHet> What camera was it? I'd like to put a night vision camera up at night one day and capture some stars.
[12:19] <fsphil> oh this is just a standard raspberry pi camera I presume
[12:19] <fsphil> it can detect stars with a long-ish exposure if about 5 seconds
[12:19] <fsphil> but the platform needs to be steady for that long
[12:20] <fsphil> if/of
[12:20] <AndyEsser> fsphil: struggling with your if's and of's today?
[12:20] <fsphil> yeah dunno what's up with that
[12:20] <Vaizki> what is that potato thing in a diaper they've strapped to the micro bit?
[12:20] <Matt_PrjHet> I was chuffed to get the moon on my gopro :)
[12:21] <Matt_PrjHet> I got a leonid too. (I think it's the leonids in April)
[12:21] <fsphil> nice, on video?
[12:21] <fsphil> best I've done is some very low resolution shots of the moon
[12:21] <Matt_PrjHet> No, still. I'll dig it out.
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[12:23] <Matt_PrjHet> It's not a pretty image but... https://www.facebook.com/ProjectHeT/photos/pb.899127400097877.-2207520000.1457353365./1005062712837678/?type=3&theater
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[12:25] <Vaizki> Matt_PrjHet, nice.. you also got the spirit orb aerobatics team!
[12:25] <G8FJG> RISTHI seems to be more H than V ,,,just got in
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[12:28] <G0ATW> RISHDR is appearing on the Cleethorpes SDR http://www.radiogeek.co.uk/
[12:29] <Matt_PrjHet> daveake I meant to send this to you after astrofest! Your garden appears about 4.20ish
[12:29] <Matt_PrjHet> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uuqonrcb4s59hez/V302089_STAR_WARS_NERDS_SMc_Mixed_ver2.mp4?dl=0
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[12:47] <Vaizki> I feel sorry for the students.. with the camera showing just the ballon :P
[12:48] <fsphil> it's showing it getting larger
[12:49] <Vaizki> well yes not saying it's worthless imagery, just not what they were waiting for
[12:49] <fsphil> indeed
[12:50] <Vaizki> should I just upload packets I'm decoding from the web sdr...
[12:50] <Vaizki> even though it will tag me from Finland QTH.. :
[12:51] <craag> Might as well do it
[12:51] <craag> You'll just get me moaning at you ;)
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[12:51] <craag> but getting the telem matters 100x more than whether you're even on the map
[12:51] <Vaizki> hehe
[12:52] <Vaizki> thought so too
[12:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Stick the SDR co-ords in
[12:52] <craag> *getting the telem up to habitat
[12:53] <Vaizki> yea sometimes I just stalk the web sdrs for fun and don't upload but paste the last packet I saw here on the channel
[12:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Latitude: 53.56N, Longitude: 0.04W
[12:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> for Cleethorpe
[12:53] <craag> how is cleethorpe vs farnham btw?
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[13:07] <Vaizki> RISHTI burst
[13:09] <daveake> Yup. Next pic might be after the burst
[13:10] <daveake> Hopefully the payload will right itself
[13:11] <edmoore> chase car odd decision
[13:11] <edmoore> down a1 surely
[13:11] <edmoore> oh i moved
[13:11] <edmoore> my browser
[13:11] <Upu> you can certainly see how much larger the balloon got
[13:13] <fsphil> the expansion seems to get quicker
[13:13] <fsphil> is that a real effect?
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> It must have been only a few seconds from burst on that last image!
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> 13:05:31,32070
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> 13:07:21,29173
[13:14] <Upu> waterfall is still odd, possibly still inverted
[13:15] <daveake> oh
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still very fluttery with me
[13:15] <daveake> fsphil The images aren't all n seconds apart
[13:15] <Vaizki> oh it's a lego dude on the micro bit
[13:15] <Vaizki> clear in image 18
[13:16] <daveake> The pat-pending best-image algorithm (TM) seems to have chosen a late pic in that last image and an early one in the previous
[13:17] <fsphil> ah yes forgot about the selection
[13:17] <edmoore> no but the pressure drops off more quickly with altitude
[13:17] <fsphil> oh I see ground
[13:17] <edmoore> so for a constant interval the balloon will probably appear to be gorwing more quickly
[13:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup
[13:17] <edmoore> growing*
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[13:18] <edmoore> modulo the fact that the field of view taken up by the balloon will be very approximately proportional to arctan of the radius of the balloon
[13:18] <edmoore> which will drop off with radius
[13:18] <edmoore> or rather its rate of growith will drop off with radius
[13:18] <edmoore> it'll asymptote
[13:19] <edmoore> just like a balloon would have to approach infinite diameter to take up 180 degrees of the field of view
[13:19] <edmoore> i suspect the former effect is larger though, significantly
[13:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-7 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-7
[13:22] <Upu> Mascot gone ?
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[13:23] <Upu> oh no there he is
[13:24] <Upu> and unhooked
[13:24] <daveake> The support lines are elsewhere now
[13:24] <daveake> Probably stuck the other side now :p
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[13:30] <fsphil> bill at it again
[13:44] <fsphil> no new data?
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[13:55] <richardeoin> ubseds14 filled
[13:55] <richardeoin> still a tad cloudy here
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[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> starting to clous over a bit more here as well.
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> cloud*
[14:03] <fsphil> pouring down here
[14:05] <AndyEsser> glorious sunshine and clear blue skies here
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[14:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 032E0EMB_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=2E0EMB_chase
[14:12] <Vaizki> RISHTI chase car took a strange route
[14:13] <Vaizki> maybe they don't trust magmount antenna to hold on at higher speeds?
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[14:15] <R34lB0rg> The cause of the problem is: not approved by the FCC | source: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ballard/bofh/bofhserver.pl
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[14:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Object Movie for the RISHTI flight this morning http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/RISHTI_20160307/index.php?ind=5
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[14:34] <Jerry_> Hi Monty the sheep
[14:35] <Montauciel> Hello Jerry Can...>>>
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[14:44] <Jerry_> looks like UBS is up
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[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> well its floating at a decreasing altitude ....
[14:47] <Jerry_> oh dear
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[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> richardeoin did say it was cloudy!
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[14:49] <richardeoin> it's clearing up now, but yes still some clouds in that direction
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah looks more hopefull now
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS14_20160307/
[14:49] <richardeoin> ah I have a fellow tracker in Bristol
[14:49] <richardeoin> hey M0ION
[14:50] <Jerry_> excellent
[14:52] <M0ION> hey richardeoin
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ooh getting low again
[14:56] <richardeoin> how are you doing with tracking this one M0ION? I've just got a whip antenna out the window so it's getting weaker now
[14:56] <richardeoin> .. and stronger again, the altitude makes all the difference
[14:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah climbing again ....
[14:57] <richardeoin> It's got 13 grams of lift, should be plenty to outrun the clouds
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[14:58] <richardeoin> hopefully it'll get to >8km before sunset too, otherwise ice could be a problem
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes tonight it could be!
[14:58] <M0ION> think i've lost it now...only using my hf long wire!
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[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> 6 reports and it climbed on each one! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/UBSEDS14_20160307/index.php?ind=1
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah AIU has it as well
[15:02] <richardeoin> mm the lift seems to be kicking in now
[15:02] <richardeoin> it's actually warm in the sun, I launched it in a t-shirt!
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Should have put one on the balloon to keep it warm as well ;-)
[15:07] <M0ION> changed to discone out of front (south) window, picking up much better now
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[15:14] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6uu4yoi0TqY
[15:15] <richardeoin> ah my west-facing whip has lost it completely now
[15:21] <Matt_PrjHet> I was wondering if the cost of one of those is less than what I'd make on ebay when Amazon starts doing drone deliveries...
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[15:24] <mattbrejza> amazon will just have to add counter-measures
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[15:24] <adamgreig> razor blades on the props
[15:25] <edmoore> they will have a robotic enforcer for their drone deliveries
[15:25] <edmoore> amazon optimus prime
[15:26] <AndyEsser> :)
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[15:31] <habby> rishti has a final position we are on our way to collect!!! :)
[15:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Object Movie for the RISHTI flight this morning http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/RISHTI_20160307/index.php?ind=5
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[15:36] <edmoore> good stuff habby
[15:37] <craag> mfa298_: A flight to the west! :)
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[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah UBSEDS14 has lost GPS
[15:41] <Laurenceb_> is UBSEDS14 a floater?
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes and GPS is back
[15:41] <Laurenceb_> ah cool, sounds fun
[15:41] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS14
[15:41] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS14 is over 03Somerset, UK 10(51.1223,-2.4976) at 032743 meters
[15:42] <mfa298_> craag: I know and I'm around to track it
[15:42] Nick change: mfa298_ -> mfa298
[15:42] <craag> :D
[15:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah green for me as well
[15:46] <fsphil> https://twitter.com/AmsatUK/status/706847264099180544
[15:48] <lz1dev> they are not transmitting over 144.8 ? xD
[15:48] <fsphil> doubt it
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[15:49] <lz1dev> .ping KC1DFW
[15:49] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03KC1DFW was 033 days ago
[15:49] <fsphil> I would imagine it should have crossed by now
[15:49] <fsphil> unless it's going in circles over the atlantic
[15:49] <lz1dev> .hysplit run KC1DFW
[15:49] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[15:52] <daveake> /away day off
[15:52] <clwillingham> Is it possible to modify a payload doc? or do you have to create a new one each time?
[15:52] <lz1dev> you can't edit inplace
[15:52] <adamgreig> you have to create a new one each time, but it can be based on an existing one
[15:53] <lz1dev> .hysplit C1DFW
[15:53] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[15:53] <lz1dev> .hysplit KC1DFW
[15:53] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT for 03KC1DFW - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/160307-15_183163_KC1DFW.gif
[15:53] <fsphil> yikes
[15:53] <lz1dev> anywhere but the uk xd
[15:54] Action: fsphil turns of his deflector shields
[15:54] <fsphil> off*
[15:55] <R34lB0rg> KC1DFW does not like europe - refugees not welcome :-(
[15:55] <lz1dev> american balloon
[15:56] <edmoore> there could presumably some sort of hab-fuzzing
[15:57] <edmoore> that blasts a whole bunch of different protocols (lora, dtmf, boring fsk) at different freqs down a yagi at some incoming balloon
[15:57] <edmoore> to see if it can upset them
[15:57] <adamgreig> add GPS to that list and you'd be on to a winner
[15:58] <lz1dev> i imagine ofcom will be quite happy to hear about that
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[16:08] <edmoore> i suppose if there was a cutdown you could wreak havoc
[16:08] <edmoore> or more boringly just persuade ubseds it's benetah 8km to use up battery life
[16:11] <craag> level 1: SHARP
[16:11] <craag> (only required a signal on the uplink that wasn't a valid CUTDOWN or PING, to hang the cpu)
[16:12] <cm13g09> hey craag
[16:12] <craag> yo cm13g09
[16:13] <edmoore> oh wow
[16:13] <edmoore> i had forgotten about project SHARP
[16:14] <edmoore> not the sharpest of pencils in the hab-packet, that lot
[16:16] <daveake> Only sharp thing was their payload aerial
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[16:16] <craag> luckily that was on a specially-made carbon fibre arm that always snapped before it could do any damage
[16:16] <craag> even when landing on a suspended sheet
[16:17] <daveake> Clever
[16:17] <daveake> Ah yes, a classic of our times
[16:17] <craag> or not landing on the sheet
[16:17] <craag> depending on soundtrack
[16:18] <daveake> Wad that was the only time their cutdownn worked?
[16:18] <mattbrejza> https://youtu.be/sHHeOpNwYbw?t=4m26s
[16:18] <craag> It nearly always worked on the ground
[16:19] <craag> and then fired by itself on the first launch iirc
[16:19] <craag> at 5km or something
[16:20] <daveake> Timed out as they took 2 hours to launch?
[16:22] <craag> hmm yes that may well have been it actually :P
[16:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its alrerady down https://twitter.com/antennasys/status/706105424416792576
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[16:28] <tweetBot> @petejbell: THANK YOU to all at #ukhas @Raspberry_Pi @BBCMIDigital https://t.co/XCeqQBDJNS
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[16:39] <tweetBot> @pitsproject: Another happy customer, and another school HAB flight made possible by our tracker hardware and software :-) https://t.co/VZPlxkaKuH
[16:39] <daveake> hmm, thought retweets got filtered out. Maybe quoted retweets don't.
[16:43] <edmoore> if you add something i think it gets throgh
[16:43] <edmoore> which i resent
[16:43] <daveake> yeah I wasn't expecting ythat
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[16:47] <craag> quotes get through yeah - no way to filter them when I built it
[16:51] <Laurenceb_> I hope that isn't a sentintospace thing
[16:52] <Laurenceb_> my dentist has a lot to answer for
[16:53] <adamgreig> PITS is daveake :P
[16:53] <daveake> And Upu :)
[16:53] <daveake> I can't take all the blame
[16:53] <adamgreig> most importantly not SIS
[16:53] <Laurenceb_> heh
[16:53] <daveake> indeed
[16:54] <Laurenceb_> oh yeah I see pits in the heading - slow reader lol
[16:55] <daveake> You should have guess it wasn't SIS when you read that they got it back
[16:55] <daveake> </bitchy>
[16:56] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[16:56] <AndyEsser> :)
[16:57] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag and AndyEsser and everone :)
[17:03] <edmoore> no
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> UBSEDS14 will be going to 4 minute mode in the next 10 minutes or so 8Km
[17:08] <edmoore> roger
[17:08] <edmoore> (geddit?)
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[17:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> wb8elk-7 on the tracker page is a 20m wspr balloon :)
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> nice :)3
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> -3
[17:47] <mattbrejza> +8
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:50] <edmoore> = 5
[17:50] <edmoore> crowdsource repl
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[18:01] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS14
[18:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS14 is over 03France 10(48.7061,-2.052) at 0311008 meters
[18:01] <Laurenceb_> holy shit
[18:01] <Laurenceb_> pro envelope is pro
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[18:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SWL107_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SWL107_chase
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[19:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[19:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03swl/frb01_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=swl%2Ffrb01_chase
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[20:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> .hysplit ubseds14
[20:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[20:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> can we have a Hysplit for UBSEDS14 ?
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[20:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> !wiki
[20:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Here be the wiki, arr: 12http://ukhas.org.uk
[20:57] <Upu> .hysplit add UBSEDS14
[20:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Added 03UBSEDS14 to defaults
[20:57] <Upu> .hysplit run UBSEDS14
[20:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[20:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks
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[21:25] <habby> WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! :) That's all I have to say about that.
[21:27] <adamgreig> :)
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[21:45] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS14
[21:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS14 is over 03Bay Of Biscay 10(44.62229,-1.81823) at 0311072 meters
[21:45] <habby> Just found out that when our balloon burst and was having a rapid decent, air traffic control and the CAA re routed all the planes out of our section for safety reasons!!! A great day and one to remember!
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[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> definately!
[21:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> habby, which flight was that then ?
[21:48] <habby> RISHTI
[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm bemused all balloons of that type burst!
[21:50] <habby> Maybe they reroute all aircraft when burst?
[21:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope not normally, how did they know it had burst ?
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[21:57] <habby> I'm not sure how they knew? Maybe they started seeing it falling at speed?
[21:58] <habby> Also, thank you for putting that KML data up earlier :)
[21:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was a normal flight, normal descent, weird, who told you they had rerouted flights ?
[21:58] <daveake> they always descend at speed, including the 20-ish met office ones each day. Never ever heard of the CAA or ATC taking an interest before.
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[23:19] <AndyEsser> habby: did you have a radar reflector on it?
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[23:41] <habby> Geoff-G8DHE - One of my sixth formers is a pilot - he told me.
[23:43] <habby> AndyEsser - No reflector. (I didn't need to, I hope! Is that right?)
[23:44] <fsphil> that seems unlikely
[23:44] <habby> fsphil - what does?
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[23:44] <fsphil> the rerouting
[23:44] <fsphil> they don't track the flights
[23:45] <fsphil> unless it's a really new thing
[23:45] <fsphil> *the CAA
[23:46] <habby> Did seem extraordinary. I'll find out more tomorrow...
[23:46] <fsphil> even if they where watching habhub, not every flight uses it
[23:46] <habby> Anyway, as I said earlier... WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
[23:46] <fsphil> indeed
[23:46] <fsphil> easy enough to get back then?
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
[23:47] <mattbrejza> well it should be obvious from flightradar24 if that happened
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[23:49] <habby> fsphil - We went to the predicted landing site, found a place to stop, got out, swept the directional Yagi and, after I got permission from the bloke in the nearest farmhouse, we walked in that direction over three of his fields. Parachute was stuck in a hedgerow and the payload was on the edge of a field.
[23:50] <habby> https://twitter.com/RishworthS/status/706875175514611712
[23:52] <fsphil> oh excellent
[23:52] <fsphil> I wish they where all like that!
[23:53] <mfa298> wouldn't re-routing aircraft be more a job for NATS rather than CAA
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[23:57] <habby> fsphil - We were so lucky (on all sorts of levels) today! Payload smashed into floor on launch (kid let go too early), which made camera point vertical at balloon - but then, other camera at opposite side was therefore doing aerial videography over a beautiful white snow-covered Pennines! We screweed the fill up (people pulling the balloon down and therefore adding to the neck lift massively (only noticed when the tank was alm
[23:57] <habby> ost empty and the TWO bottles were still on the ground! - but then, it was pretty much perfectly neutrally bouyant - slightly overfilled as we wanted and only a few 100m shy of our target altitude! Wind was great, easy to retrieve. Yeah... we lucked out massively!
[23:58] <habby> Anyway, I need to go to bed and sleep beyond 3:30am for the first time in a few days! No need to wake up and worry about predictions and risk assessments - so should manage that! Gnight all and, THANK YOU again :)
[23:58] <fsphil> nite!
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