highaltitude.log.20160226

[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> that you have to plane change also because GSO is above the equator but the spaceport is off plane
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[00:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd0vji-1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd0vji-1_chase
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[06:40] <Rebounder> launchday! :)
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[06:53] <edmoore> flyday the 26th of awesomesauce
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[07:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Longcroft school_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Longcroft%20school_chase
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[08:25] <Vaizki> I am launching frim Barcelona in 10 minutes. Tracking via FR24, latest dial KL2699. Recovery beers at AMS, I'm buying if you show up :)
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[08:29] <x-f> have a nice flight and gentle landing! :)
[08:31] <Vaizki> Argh I forgot the chute. Well one does one's best with the bits at hand...
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[09:08] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: plastic bag and some string?
[09:08] <AndyEsser> russss: "Mishap" is putting it lightly :)
[09:12] <fsphil> it wasn't nominal?
[09:13] <AndyEsser> :)
[09:13] <AndyEsser> motion to disallow the use of that word?
[09:13] <fsphil> aye
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[09:14] <AndyEsser> I think for funsies my launch preparedness software for my tracker will use the word "Nominal" :)
[09:14] <AndyEsser> Rather than like the more obvious "Ok"
[09:14] <AndyEsser> or "Go"
[09:14] <markireland> Morning - is David Miller still the guy at CAA to talk to?
[09:14] <fsphil> have some nominal bacon
[09:14] <AndyEsser> fsphil: s/nominal/nommy
[09:14] <fsphil> markireland: indeed
[09:14] <AndyEsser> markireland: I believe so
[09:14] <fsphil> though he was out of the office recently
[09:15] <fsphil> not sure what his current status is
[09:15] <markireland> OK I'll email - thanks
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[09:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03160000.0302.002_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=160000.0302.002_chase
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[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Come on Dave put that Bacon buttie down ;-)
[09:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI868 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI868
[09:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI434 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI434
[09:57] <daveake> Slight change of plan ... going for 50 baud on 434.650
[09:57] <daveake> Like the good old days :p
[09:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well that worked :-)
[09:57] <daveake> :)
[09:58] <daveake> And no the camera isn't upside down; the tracker is
[09:58] <edmoore> a nod to the classics
[09:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right reset!
[09:59] <fsphil> you can hear the individual bits at 50 baud
[10:00] <RocketBoy> daveake: woo - .650 - will it be drifty?
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[10:01] <Upu> incoming groin shot
[10:01] <edmoore> lets hope it obliterates as many repeaters as possible
[10:01] <Upu> haha
[10:02] <edmoore> to continue the tradition of absolute carnage every time someone flies something on a repeater input
[10:02] <RocketBoy> :-)
[10:02] <fsphil> I have two vintage .650 NTX2's ready for a flight
[10:02] <Upu> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FYcKd9yS/hqdefault.jpg
[10:04] <edmoore> what time is the first thing launching?
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[10:06] <fsphil> fatal error: curses.h
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[10:06] <fsphil> strange name for a library
[10:07] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[10:07] <LazyLeopard> Named by a polite programmer on a bad day?
[10:08] Nick change: junderwood -> M0JCU_junderwood
[10:13] <fsphil> that's a fine hat
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[10:21] <Upu> I see some flat caps on there
[10:22] <Upu> Has Yorkshire come down for the day ?
[10:22] <Upu> inb4
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[10:33] <fsphil> the pi's header has far too many pin number standards
[10:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> and who ever decided to miss pins out on the original diagram because they weren't IO should be hung!
[10:35] <fsphil> Upu: do you know if dave's gateway program uses the wiringpi pin numbers you've got printed on the pcb?
[10:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALYOLO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALYOLO
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Iuse the ones on the PCB
[10:36] <fsphil> I'm using that at the moment. but my old config file was different
[10:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> I went thru this, it did change, then again, and the readme doesn't keep up!
[10:37] <fsphil> hah
[10:37] <fsphil> Unknown packet type is 49h, RSSI -115 -- well, it's decoding noise so that's good, I think
[10:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> That's what I rely on as well!
[10:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Has he gone back in for another buttie do you think ? ;-)
[10:39] <dbrooke> RSSI looks about right for noise level
[10:39] <dbrooke> if it's not talking it's lower than that as I discovered a few days back
[10:40] <dbrooke> for some reason I had to add a link for MISO between the modules on my board as it wasn't reaching the second one
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> if you had an early version then yes had to be modified ...
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[10:41] <Upu> fsphil: yes it uses wiring pi
[10:41] <dbrooke> it says 2.3
[10:42] <Upu> https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits-hardware/blob/master/Pits-Stacking-System-GPIO-Allocations.pdf
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> My 2.0 had to be altered
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah we are up ?
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[10:43] <edmoore> appears so
[10:43] <daveake> yes up
[10:43] <daveake> dbrooke one rev of the board had miso missing from one module
[10:43] <daveake> I blame the h/w guy ofc :)
[10:44] Action: Upu raises a hand
[10:44] <Upu> lovely fast images
[10:44] <db_G6GZH> 8-) it didn't take long to find and fix
[10:45] <edmoore> who is the hired help daveake?
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> 50 is nice shot of launch site!
[10:45] <daveake> EwanP
[10:45] <daveake> He's on IRC sometimes
[10:45] <daveake> Wanted to see how it's done
[10:46] <edmoore> cool
[10:46] <Upu> this has RTTY on 650 ?
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[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> right 868 aerial stuck out the window!
[10:48] <daveake> If anyone is wondering about the missing packets being filled in, a) yes that's working, b) most of the missing ones are because my internet upload is maxxed out
[10:49] <M0JCU_junderwood> !dial PI434
[10:49] <SpacenearUS> 03M0JCU_junderwood: Latest dials for 03PI434 10(fd75): 03434.652396 MHz
[10:50] <fsphil> uploader needs a re-try option
[10:51] <fsphil> hehe that is so fast
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[10:51] <daveake> :-)
[10:51] <daveake> btw the gaps in the RTTY are during the lora uplink, so it doesn't interfere
[10:52] <fsphil> the packet request should take into account your internet problems too
[10:52] <daveake> yes :p
[10:52] <daveake> well I'm running 3 gateways so I could kill one
[10:52] <daveake> 13,000 image packets so far
[10:53] <fsphil> how many uploads?
[10:53] <daveake> not sure why some old images are cropping up
[10:53] <daveake> er dunno don't count those :/
[10:54] <fsphil> seems to be working
[10:54] <Upu> !dial PITS434
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:54] <Upu> !dial PI434
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03PI434 10(fd75): 03434.652396 MHz, 434.65213 MHz
[10:55] <EwanP> Ref daveake @10:45 Thanks for letting me help.
[10:55] <fsphil> oh what's image 29
[10:55] <daveake> me in spaaace lol
[10:55] <fsphil> "I can FLY!!!"
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha CRC failure looks like a signal on 868!
[10:55] <daveake> My guess is that queued packets are getting through later
[10:56] <daveake> Running just 1 gateway now
[10:56] <daveake> OK so 1 on its own is doing a lot less queuing
[10:56] <Upu> is that 434 one 300 or 150 baud ?
[10:57] <daveake> 50
[10:57] <daveake> sorry :)
[10:57] <Upu> whats with the shift
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[10:57] <Upu> and 7N2 as well :)
[10:58] <daveake> like the olde times :)
[10:58] <fab4space> daveake, that's awesome :)
[10:58] <daveake> OK, so far I've learned that 868MHz works better than my internet :/
[10:58] <M0JCU_junderwood> That's better
[10:59] <fsphil> cloudy morning there
[11:00] <tweetBot> @daveake: This fast 868MHz LoRa SSDV is working so well that most missing packets are my internet not keeping up :/ https://t.co/4kBgAOBtkX #UKHAS
[11:01] <daveake> yeah forecast said 50% cover; more like 100%
[11:01] <g3zgz> is 434.25 running all the time?
[11:02] <daveake> <daveake> btw the gaps in the RTTY are during the lora uplink, so it doesn't interfere
[11:03] <db_G6GZH> g3zgz: it's also now on 434.650 50baud 7N2
[11:03] <g3zgz> Do I have the right frequency?
[11:04] <daveake> 434.650
[11:04] <daveake> Changed due to technical reasons :/
[11:04] <g3zgz> ok, just getting 650 now
[11:04] <daveake> cool
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> its 869.850MHz isn't it ?
[11:05] <daveake> yes
[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> good :)
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[11:07] <fab4space> daveake, what aerial are you using for the gateways?
[11:08] <fab4space> omni? yagis? combination?
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> I went for one of these which are now in stock again http://www.rfsolutions.co.uk/acatalog/info_ANT_MF_YAG23.html
[11:09] <fsphil> nobody else receiving yet?
[11:09] <Rebounder> cannot see the signal at suws, or i'm blind
[11:10] <fsphil> more grey sky
[11:10] <fsphil> very high cloud layer?
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[11:11] <G0WXI> !PI434
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial PI434
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03PI434 10(fd75): 03434.652064 MHz, 434.652623 MHz, 434.652396 MHz
[11:12] <G0WXI> thanks
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[11:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[11:14] <ProSpectre> PI868 and 434 looking good.
[11:14] <edmoore> hopefully the asent rate will pick up a bit once it's out of all that sheary mess
[11:15] <db_G6GZH> that greyness compresses well
[11:16] <ProSpectre> What kind of balloon was used for the PIload? Anyone in the know?
[11:16] <daveake> yeah I hope that too :). Supposed to be 6m/s. Also H2 will help it speed up when it gets higher.
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[11:16] <daveake> It's a 500g Hwoyee
[11:16] <ProSpectre> +k
[11:16] <Upu> long drive today
[11:16] <daveake> yeah
[11:16] <edmoore> i'd head soon :)
[11:16] <edmoore> norch is a bit of a flid to get to
[11:16] <daveake> this is too much fun :)
[11:17] <edmoore> get ewan to drive whilst you internets
[11:17] <Rebounder> blue sky :)
[11:17] <daveake> He's going home after
[11:17] <daveake> woo sky
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[11:19] <ProSpectre> Yeah he made a nice jump. It's goin up now
[11:21] <daveake> hmm bit slow
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[11:22] <Rebounder> daveake: chasing i guess?
[11:22] <daveake> eventually
[11:22] <daveake> I can't get there till after it lands, so no rush
[11:23] <mattbrejza> is it really worth that much petrol...
[11:23] <daveake> diesel
[11:23] <daveake> also visiting pi towers
[11:23] <mattbrejza> oh right
[11:23] <edmoore> on the way back?
[11:23] <daveake> I'll decide later if it's worth it or not
[11:23] <daveake> yes
[11:23] <mattbrejza> you dont ahve a cutdown in your array of habstuff then?
[11:23] <edmoore> might be optimism...
[11:24] <mattbrejza> perhaps a bit late to attach to the balloon if you do mind you
[11:24] <daveake> No I'd have to make one
[11:25] <daveake> surprised it's so slow really
[11:25] <edmoore> i might make a batch of them
[11:25] <Rebounder> might be a parallell chase in the east later :)
[11:25] <edmoore> not to sell as i'm sure that's not legit
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> daveake, whats the aerial on 869 on the HAB usual 1/4
[11:27] <daveake> yes
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> ok
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[11:28] <daveake> re the chinese cheapo 868 yagi - don't bother; my 1/4 wave handmade is working better
[11:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Who else is listening on 868 ?
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[11:32] <g8fjg> hi cant decode the 850/150 on 434.652 have I missed something?
[11:33] <daveake> 50 baud
[11:33] <daveake> 7 N 1
[11:33] <db_G6GZH> Geoff-G8DHE: I am, unsuccessfully at the moment
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> just wondering it should be strong enough by now I would have hoped :( ...
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[11:34] <g8fjg> doh...thats better thanks
[11:34] <db_G6GZH> I'm only using a 144/433 colinear so not sure what to expect from it
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> right grabbed a 20 ele earlier in the week so 23dbi in theory ....
[11:35] <g8fjg> I was too reliant on auto config
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> but it is foring thru a chimmeny stack at present!
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> firing*
[11:36] <fsphil> ah it's cleared the haze
[11:37] <db_G6GZH> I need to sort out az/el for yagis, I have the rotators, which worked ~25 years ago 8-)
[11:37] <fsphil> another bad CRC, probably just noise though
[11:38] <fsphil> how's the uplink going daveake?
[11:38] <daveake> OK the "dodgy yagi" was actually a dodgy habamp or power to habamp
[11:38] <daveake> I'll check tomorrow
[11:39] <daveake> fsphil: uplink count is only 11 which is a bit dissapointing
[11:40] <daveake> downlink is working too well :p
[11:40] <fsphil> hah, yes it's going better than usual
[11:40] <daveake> Well I did that 868 flight before, and got loads of missed packets, but that was because by the time the gateway had uploaded a packet, it had missed the next one
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[11:42] <pb0ahx__> !flihgts
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[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03PS-61 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(548e), 03SP9UOB pico 21- 144.250MHz CTSTIA 32/1000 10(8e1c), 03ACORN 10(3975), 03PITS 868 10(fd75)
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[11:45] <fsphil> ah yes
[11:45] <fsphil> forgot about that
[11:46] <Rebounder> sky's getting dark :)
[11:48] <pb0ahx__> strong signaal on 434.652 here from PI434 nice :-))
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[11:50] <FuzzyLemon> balyoolo ready to launch
[11:50] <FuzzyLemon> BALYOLO*
[11:50] <FuzzyLemon> 1 minute countdown starting now
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats good same bearing (close) as PI434!
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[11:55] <FuzzyLemon> it's up
[11:55] <daveake> 1/4 wave struggling now but the 2 yagis doning much better
[11:56] <AndyEsser> daveake: estimate burst altitude?
[11:57] <daveake> 30km
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[11:58] <AndyEsser> Aww, it'll likely have popped by the time I get home at lunch
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[11:58] <pb0ahx__> on wath time start balyolo ???
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[11:59] <edmoore> pb0ahx__: it has started
[11:59] <fsphil> not even a hint of lora stuff yet
[12:00] <edmoore> 11.55
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Few odd CRC errors and unknown packets on 868 otherwise nothing ......
[12:01] <fsphil> just a bit too fast for long range
[12:01] <fsphil> ShRa
[12:02] <edmoore> FuzzyLemon: are you chasing this one?
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[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah 868 awoke!
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yea
[12:05] <db_G6GZH> Oh good, I was beginning to think daveake was faking it 8-)
[12:05] <daveake> hah
[12:06] <daveake> downlink is working better than expected
[12:06] <daveake> Uplink needs looking at
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[12:07] <fsphil> the cloud layer was a background in the sound stage it was being filmed in
[12:09] <db_G6GZH> there's a fair bit of ISM stuff around the uplink part of the band near here
[12:09] <habby_> What MHz is BALYOLO on, please?
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[12:09] <fsphil> 868mhz is pretty much empty here
[12:09] <db_G6GZH> it was messing up my UKHASnet stuff a bit
[12:09] <habby_> Can't seem to pick PI434 up, so going to try BALYOLO
[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial balyolo
[12:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BALYOLO 3 10(3975): 03434.50202 MHz, 434.6523 MHz, 434.502599 MHz, 434.502063 MHz
[12:10] <db_G6GZH> https://ukhas.net/wiki/_media/radio:interferer.png
[12:10] <fsphil> oh that looks annoying
[12:10] <habby_> Thanks, Geoff-G8DHE
[12:10] <habby_> !dial PI434
[12:10] <SpacenearUS> 03habby_: Latest dials for 03PI434 10(fd75): 03434.652545 MHz, 434.652813 MHz, 434.652535 MHz
[12:10] <db_G6GZH> so the uplink may be suffering from that
[12:11] <Rebounder> daveake: using the resend-packets routine today?
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> solid now on 868
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh long gap on pu434
[12:14] <fsphil> uplink gap
[12:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> too long
[12:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> its running on868
[12:15] <fsphil> now I'm wondering if I connected the 868mhz to the 868mhz rfm module
[12:15] <fsphil> it was setup quickly before I left for work
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> I did have it on 868.850 before launch ;-)
[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've had to be well within the green circle
[12:16] <fsphil> -112 is the highest RSSI I've seen so far
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[12:17] <db_G6GZH> Geoff-G8DHE: do you have a preamp for 868 ?
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[12:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> the current RSSI is sticking at -115 for me but packet SNR is -2
[12:17] <db_G6GZH> back on 434
[12:17] <Rebounder> new packets :)
[12:17] <fsphil> -111 now
[12:17] <M0JCU_junderwood> Balyolo seems to be playing chicken with the coast again.
[12:17] <fsphil> maybe they brought a boat this time
[12:18] <Rebounder> or the have a big net at the coastline
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah another on 868 G3WDI
[12:19] <G3WDI> yes indeed first time !!
[12:19] <daveake> 868 is out of range for me now
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> No pre-amp on 868, only found the aerial back in stock on Tuesday, so ordered it and the RFM all arrived yesterday!
[12:20] <fsphil> I regret not getting the preamp now
[12:20] <Rebounder> pretty high groundspeed :)
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[12:21] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE: Fancy trying an uplink?
[12:22] <daveake> 255kph lol
[12:22] <daveake> 294
[12:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could try it what needs to be turned on in the config ?
[12:22] <Rebounder> daveake: speeedy one :)
[12:22] <ProSpectre> 868 on max hight?
[12:22] <fsphil> earth's got very bright
[12:23] <daveake> should burst pretty soon
[12:24] <pb0ahx__> balyolo on 323 good signaal here
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> daveake, do I just need to enable uplink parameters ?
[12:24] <pb0ahx__> 434
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[12:24] <daveake> UplinkTime_0=2
[12:24] <daveake> UplinkCycle_0=60
[12:25] <daveake> also run this:
[12:25] <daveake> python3 ssdv_resend.py PI868
[12:25] <ProSpectre> daveake which gps chip did you use for this load?
[12:25] <daveake> upublox
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Got a typerror "flush"
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> is an invalid keyword ?
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[12:28] <daveake> yeah remove that line
[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK one mo
[12:28] <daveake> Just means you have an older python3
[12:28] <daveake> It's only to update the screen
[12:28] Action: db_G6GZH experiences dejavu
[12:28] <daveake> :-)
[12:29] <daveake> presumable burst as no updates coming in ?
[12:29] <db_G6GZH> 434 seems to have stopped again
[12:29] <daveake> hmmmm
[12:29] <daveake> It's supposed to stop peridoically for the upload
[12:29] <daveake> Has it stopped altogether now?
[12:29] <db_G6GZH> this is second time it's gone away for longer
[12:30] <daveake> ok
[12:30] <db_G6GZH> so it may come back
[12:30] <g3zgz> back on 434
[12:30] <daveake> hah 868 kicked in :)
[12:30] <daveake> righto I'll take a look at that. Probably to do with the 50 baud thing
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right lets see
[12:30] <Rebounder> pang
[12:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anything to confirm operation on the screen ?
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[12:31] <db_G6GZH> may have to wait a minute
[12:32] <db_G6GZH> as you've removed the progress dots
[12:32] <daveake> Oh, forgot to ask, do you have GPS or NTP supplied time on your Pi ?
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> NTP
[12:32] <daveake> cool
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> haven't needed anything better till now!
[12:32] <daveake> Yeah the uplink period is 2 seconds past the minute; the Python starts checking the ssdv server a few seconds prior to that, and then you'll see some info
[12:34] <ProSpectre> nice flight dave
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[12:35] <daveake> Yeah, some things I've learnt and changes to make for next time, so that's good
[12:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> think the GUI needs to tell us more about what's happening difficult to spot messages zooming past!
[12:37] <daveake> yeah
[12:37] <garymortimer> afternoon all
[12:37] <db_G6GZH> seeing some CRC failures on 868 now
[12:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> perhaps a 1 minute or cycle status screen with whats going on
[12:37] <daveake> ok
[12:39] <daveake> There's that raspberry again
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[12:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> its stopped on 868 foe me as well
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[12:40] <daveake> hmm ok
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup gone for me
[12:42] <daveake> 868 back again
[12:42] <daveake> and 434
[12:42] <daveake> I'll take a look at that. Not seen it here.
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434 very weak nothing for 220seconds on 868
[12:43] <daveake> I'm watching the logtail and both are updating still
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wonder if G3WDI can uplink ?
[12:45] <G3WDI> 868 still here 52.57140 0.41414 08137
[12:45] <G3WDI> dont know running laTEST SOFTWARE BUT FIRST TIME WITH REAL SIGNAL
[12:45] <gonzo_> on my browser the two payloads are red and green. Wonder what it would look nlike if I put the 3d glasses on?
[12:46] <db_G6GZH> I have to conclude that my antenna is useless at 868 ...
[12:46] <daveake> Stereo ssdv is on my todo list
[12:46] <daveake> I made a 1/4 wave with wire and it worked very well
[12:47] <garymortimer> stereo as in 3D.... there are off the shelf FPV rigs for that now
[12:47] <db_G6GZH> I have a home made one in the garage, should have put it up
[12:47] <daveake> 2 picams and some "foreground interest"
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[12:47] <daveake> Won't get a stereo effect of what's on the ground, from HAB altitudes, unless the cameras are 100's of metres apart
[12:48] <garymortimer> quite, balyolo going to fly over my old house
[12:51] <db_G6GZH> 434 no longer stopping at the uplink window
[12:51] <daveake> No, the GPS is frozen - same time each update
[12:51] <db_G6GZH> ah
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[12:52] <gonzo_> two ballon launch then?
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[12:54] <daveake> So that would explain the silent periods - gps stuck during a quiet time
[12:54] <daveake> This'll be a bug in my ubx code
[12:54] <daveake> so, back working now
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[12:55] <garymortimer> baly bob over my old gaff
[12:56] <garymortimer> gone past on that update ;-)
[12:56] <fsphil> looks like a few unknown packets received at around burst time
[12:56] <fsphil> could still be just noise
[12:56] <edmoore> time division multiplexing by gps time syncing eh....
[12:57] <daveake> The range I got was alot less than you'd need; however that direction is poor for me (hill in the way)
[12:57] <Upu> !dial balyolo
[12:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03BALYOLO 3 10(3975): 03434.502238 MHz, 434.5023 MHz, 434.5021 MHz, 434.502783 MHz, 434.602 MHz, 0.006 MHz, 434.5 MHz
[12:58] <gonzo_> it's doubling back dave, must have seen the power lines
[12:58] <daveake> probably spotted a tree to aim for
[12:59] <daveake> That should be a pretty easy recovery
[12:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> still pretty close to prediction made this morning
[12:59] <daveake> Yeah, the early part where the ascent was slow, was also the part where the horizontal winds were low
[13:01] <daveake> Last position at 220m; that should be plenty good enough for recovery :-)
[13:01] <db_G6GZH> 52.60549,0.44878,00122
[13:01] <G3WDI> last position here ,12:56:41,52.60003,0.4504
[13:01] <db_G6GZH> faded just after the altitude
[13:01] <daveake> hah cheers
[13:01] <daveake> I shall pass this on the the chase team :)
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[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> same team could probably colletc Balyolo !
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[13:07] <ProSpectre> Well the PIgle has landed.
[13:07] <R34lB0rg> heavy climb rate of balyolo
[13:08] <fsphil> that's a good thing
[13:08] <Rebounder> Anyone from the BALYOLO-team here?
[13:08] <daveake> yeah, wants to avoid salt water
[13:09] <R34lB0rg> >30km
[13:09] <Upu> Rebounder fuzzylemon when she's on but suspect out chasing atm
[13:11] <Rebounder> Upu: ah
[13:11] <ProSpectre> daveake , this was a B+ board?
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
[13:11] <daveake> A+
[13:11] <ProSpectre> k
[13:12] <Rebounder> balyolo on the way down , hope the catch land :)
[13:12] <daveake> Oh look, some random chase car has appeared on the map :p
[13:12] <daveake> I wonder where he's going
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[13:14] <db_G6GZH> given the amount of landings out here maybe I should sort out a chase car and enter the contract HAB recovery business 8-)
[13:14] <Upu> haha not going to Pi Towers then ?
[13:15] <daveake> nope, I'll do that bit another time
[13:16] <Upu> Landing on Lakenheath
[13:16] <Upu> will be rite :)
[13:16] <daveake> hah
[13:17] <garymortimer> Its poets day they will all be gone
[13:20] <edmoore> HOLYSHIT i just looked at the prediction
[13:20] <edmoore> that's bad
[13:20] <edmoore> like actually really bad
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[13:20] <Upu> hope you have some id FuzzyLemon
[13:21] <FuzzyLemon> is it bad to land on an raf base?
[13:21] <Rebounder> :)
[13:21] <Upu> May be worth calling them 01638 521110
[13:21] <Upu> its likely to land outside
[13:21] <Upu> predictions always fall short
[13:22] <garymortimer> Its USAF base they have a less developed sense of humor. I think it will be outside as well
[13:22] <R34lB0rg> giving them a call may be a good idea
[13:22] <ProSpectre> That's a nice one :D
[13:22] <Upu> I cna't help feeling it would be worth speaking to the tower there and advise there is a balloon coming in quite low, likely to land outside but may be close to the run way
[13:23] <daveake> yep
[13:23] <mattbrejza> hmm at lesat the north-south runway isnt used anymore
[13:23] <garymortimer> its not on the approach but will be in the circuit
[13:23] <mattbrejza> well NW-SE
[13:23] <R34lB0rg> you dont want to get there after the base has been on alert because of some unidentified radio beacon approaching
[13:24] <fsphil> prediction is inside the fence
[13:24] <garymortimer> A call to the tower might help ease security as well
[13:24] <fsphil> oh a golf course nearby too
[13:24] <Upu> Yes I'd be calling them right now
[13:24] <daveake> http://www.lakenheath.af.mil/news/usefulcontacts.asp
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[13:25] <daveake> Google says 01638 521110
[13:26] <garymortimer> somebody in the UK might want to do that, I would if I were there
[13:26] <edmoore> we got a CAA incident investigation started last time we landed within a mile or two of there
[13:26] <Upu> fingers cross she calls them
[13:26] <edmoore> if you actually land ON THE BASE then it's bad
[13:26] <Upu> well ....
[13:26] <Upu> about that
[13:26] <ProSpectre> :D
[13:26] <Upu> glad its got hab supplies all over the PCB
[13:26] <daveake> lol
[13:26] <Upu> about that rebranding bringing plans forward
[13:27] <R34lB0rg> if someone actually lands on a RAF base you may change your mind about water landings
[13:27] <daveake> Let's hope they check the trademark first ...
[13:27] <Upu> lol
[13:27] <edmoore> christ alive
[13:27] <ProSpectre> well I wouldn'Ät wanna call atm but this is pure comedy
[13:27] <ProSpectre> :D
[13:27] <garymortimer> I would make the call but Im in South Africa and would cost a fortune
[13:27] <garymortimer> sorry thats cheap isn't it
[13:27] <ProSpectre> Well German here. Could be strange too. :D
[13:28] <Upu> get fsphil to do it
[13:28] <Upu> what could go wrong
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[13:28] <fsphil> "Hi, I've dropped a mysterous box with wires in your airforce base. Can I have it back please?"
[13:28] <pb0ahx__> BALYOLO team mni tnx good flight for here
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[13:29] <daveake> hah
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[13:29] <garymortimer> flying safety officer (01638) 525659
[13:29] <daveake> that sounds like a good idea
[13:29] <markireland> Big prediction jump here
[13:29] <fsphil> landed
[13:30] <daveake> erm wtf
[13:30] <fsphil> or not
[13:30] <daveake> did they enable their glider or something?
[13:30] <fsphil> ok that's a bit weird
[13:30] <markireland> refreshed and back heading fro RAF
[13:30] <ProSpectre> Got a meeting with a Typhoon?
[13:30] <markireland> for*
[13:30] <daveake> new wind data?
[13:30] <daveake> ah
[13:30] <daveake> oh
[13:30] <markireland> oh
[13:31] <R34lB0rg> its drifting off
[13:31] <markireland> That is the Typhoon base yeah?
[13:31] <daveake> wtf/2
[13:31] <fsphil> it seems to have bounced off a wall
[13:31] <R34lB0rg> wtf?
[13:31] <edmoore> wonder if there's gps jamming
[13:31] <cuddykid_work> interesting time to catch up with the days goings on
[13:31] <fsphil> alien tech being tested by the RAF
[13:31] <LazyLeopard> GPS having issues?
[13:31] <fsphil> or that
[13:31] <R34lB0rg> wake turbulance from f16s?
[13:31] <daveake> jammed
[13:32] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[13:32] <LazyLeopard> ...or the tracker just suffering from being too close to the base's radar?
[13:32] <mattbrejza> at least there are very few trees on the site
[13:32] <R34lB0rg> "captain, it's just a balloon, we blow it away!"
[13:32] <Upu> Admittedly I've never tested it against military radar
[13:32] <ProSpectre> lol
[13:32] <daveake> "always look on the bright side of life, de dum, de dum de dum de dum"
[13:33] <Upu> well everyone we had a nice hobby
[13:33] <edmoore> tell steve to tune
[13:33] <edmoore> he's closer
[13:33] <edmoore> to this
[13:33] <edmoore> we need it catch it as low as possible
[13:33] <markireland> This is bad isn't it
[13:33] Action: Rebounder skipping picking up kids at school to follow balloon drama.
[13:33] <edmoore> markireland: so like, yup
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[13:34] <cuddykid_work> run way landing?!
[13:34] <garymortimer_> did anyone make a call?
[13:34] <Upu> dunno
[13:34] <Upu> Sammy was on but timed out
[13:34] <Upu> I hope she did
[13:35] <edmoore> hope she timed out?
[13:35] <markireland> still 3000m
[13:35] <edmoore> a good technique for dealing with enhanced interrogation techniques
[13:35] <markireland> Is it a school?
[13:36] <garymortimer_> Thats the control tower area
[13:36] <daveake> No it's a big boys playground with jets and stuff
[13:36] <markireland> At least their have a visual for the approach
[13:36] <Upu> 13:21:03 <FuzzyLemon> is it bad to land on an raf base?
[13:36] <markireland> I mean school launch*
[13:36] <edmoore> it's an american airforce base
[13:36] <edmoore> you can see the F15s
[13:36] <ProSpectre> Near the tower? may tell'em to get some nice pics off it:)
[13:36] <garymortimer_> you can see its shadow on the left of the landing prediction
[13:36] <daveake> Now this flight should have the fast ssdv on it :/
[13:36] <gonzo_> does that mean that they can recalim the VAT on the kit?
[13:36] <garymortimer_> You can see eagles rock on the roof of the bar, so yes F15's
[13:36] <ProSpectre> Did someone said shots fired?
[13:36] <ProSpectre> :D
[13:37] <AndyEsser> we've just installed a playground at RAF Lakenheath
[13:37] <R34lB0rg> at least its not censored on google maps
[13:37] <garymortimer_> well its your party balloon then
[13:37] <fsphil> how do you know that's what it looks like R34lB0rg?
[13:37] <garymortimer_> F16's on the visitors dispersal
[13:37] <edmoore> now what
[13:38] <Upu> yes very keep goign that way
[13:38] <R34lB0rg> fsphil, google has a habit of making censorship pretty obvious
[13:38] <AndyEsser> amused that the payload has sort of gon "Ruh roh... Air base, lets turn 90 degrees to the right"
[13:38] <AndyEsser> gone*
[13:38] <Upu> being escroted away
[13:38] <AndyEsser> hehe
[13:38] <gonzo_> garymortimer_, will you be recommending the seargents mess bar?
[13:38] <AndyEsser> ah well, probably a slow day in the tower
[13:38] <AndyEsser> gives the pilots something to do
[13:38] <edmoore> this is wierd
[13:38] <Upu> she's using her home made xform
[13:38] <garymortimer_> but of course!
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> What makes you think they have even seen it yet!
[13:39] <daveake> Mine didn't do any reversals
[13:39] <mattbrejza> daves one followed a similar path..?
[13:39] <garymortimer_> its found the trees
[13:39] <mattbrejza> at 1.2km
[13:39] <AndyEsser> all that open space and it finds the small clumb of trees
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[13:40] <daveake> very very close now
[13:40] <cuddykid_work> oh dear
[13:40] <markireland> will be inside
[13:40] <cuddykid_work> yep
[13:40] <daveake> yup
[13:40] <garymortimer_> When calling the tower mention the golf course
[13:40] <Rebounder> good thing it's open ground at least
[13:41] <ProSpectre> May land on top of a Typhoon? :D
[13:41] <daveake> You Only Lakenheath Once
[13:41] <ProSpectre> pinpoint landing
[13:41] <garymortimer_> https://www.facebook.com/RAF-Lakenheath-Breckland-Pines-Golf-Course-and-Grill-147166335341541/
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Steve's going in for this one is he ;-)
[13:41] <db_G6GZH> last partial 52.399314,0.567694,197
[13:41] <garymortimer_> 01638-522223
[13:41] <ProSpectre> Well I'd be interested to hear how this ends :D
[13:41] <garymortimer_> a kind soul might fetch it from there and bring it out
[13:42] <garymortimer_> 01638-522223 the golf course
[13:42] <garymortimer_> Public Service Announcement: We're making our famous Reuben Sandwiches tomorrow for the daily lunch specia
[13:42] <Upu> unless that swung at the very last minute its in the base
[13:42] <Laurenceb> looks like the car park
[13:42] <Laurenceb> with luck
[13:42] <garymortimer_> http://www.lakenheathfss.com/brecklandpines/
[13:42] <daveake> I really hope she's called. If I get a call soon from an American re my balloon notam ...
[13:42] <R34lB0rg> it may be on the golf course
[13:42] <edmoore> it won't be
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/BALYOLO-ACORN_20160226/BALYOLO_201602261342_not_the_place_to_land_no_NO_PLEASE.jpg
[13:42] <mattbrejza> well last position at 300m, ground is 10
[13:42] <edmoore> it's inside the base still at 300m
[13:43] <edmoore> lakenheath is 10m asl
[13:43] <garymortimer_> get hold of the golf course before security find it....
[13:43] <Laurenceb> looks like car park just south of hangers to me
[13:43] <garymortimer_> Thats the visiting aircraft parking area just north, I have parked there in another life ;-)
[13:44] <gonzo_> could this ne another one for your list dave?
[13:44] <markireland> Yeah or the F-15 doughnut rings
[13:44] <edmoore> seriously
[13:44] <edmoore> can we ask steve to do a driveby
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[13:44] <edmoore> to get a final position
[13:44] <Laurenceb> parked your car or your fighter jet ? :P
[13:44] <edmoore> he's close
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[13:44] <daveake> callin him
[13:44] <Upu> RocketBoy steve ?
[13:45] <daveake> yes
[13:45] <Upu> 50p says he's already on it
[13:45] <daveake> :)
[13:45] <edmoore> it's worth it probably
[13:45] <Upu> could get Sammy's number and call her directly
[13:45] <edmoore> so at least the yolo people can tell them roughly where they think it is
[13:46] <daveake> Steve's gonna go there now
[13:46] <Upu> k
[13:46] <daveake> He has been watching (he's got someone in the car with him)
[13:47] <edmoore> that's spectacular
[13:47] <garymortimer_> I woul dcertainly call the tower to liase with security rather than going to the gate
[13:47] <ProSpectre> what an entertaining flight :D
[13:47] <Laurenceb> lol
[13:47] <daveake> Steve will just get a position for us
[13:47] <Laurenceb> yeah turning up at the gate wouldn't get you far
[13:47] <mattbrejza> if the cameras are still running could be amusing
[13:47] <daveake> He's not going in :)
[13:47] <mattbrejza> cameras + audio
[13:47] <garymortimer_> the ATC guys will be cooler than just straight security
[13:47] <daveake> Yeah that's why I said my 868 ssd would have been ... interesting :)
[13:47] <garymortimer_> at least get one of the ATC folks to pick it up and take it to teh gate
[13:48] <markireland> This is good knowledge garymortimer_
[13:48] <garymortimer_> or golf course types
[13:48] <daveake> Anyone got Sammy's number, or anyone else in that team ?
[13:48] <markireland> Is the golf course for the base only?
[13:48] <garymortimer_> I was ATC in the RAF when pontious was a pilot
[13:48] <craag> hmm school is blocking habhub.org - where have they landed now?
[13:49] <daveake> RAF Lakenheath
[13:49] <craag> hahaha
[13:49] <daveake> pinpoint accuracy
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/BALYOLO-ACORN_20160226/BALYOLO_201602261342_not_the_place_to_land_no_NO_PLEASE.jpg
[13:49] <gonzo_> also atc will peobablt be more familiar with wx balloons
[13:49] <daveake> nice url lol
[13:50] <craag> hmm g8dhe.net also blocked
[13:50] <garymortimer_> thats true gozo, also teh thing to call it
[13:50] <AndyEsser> craag: VPN FTW
[13:50] <craag> what are you hosting geoff???!
[13:50] <lz1dev> craag: is anything not blocked?
[13:50] <craag> lz1dev: facebook weirdly
[13:50] <mattbrejza> i reckon itll be just above that carpark
[13:51] <gonzo_> would that be a landing at >0mtrs agl?
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its on my "adsl" here at home FTTC
[13:51] <db_G6GZH> given my partial @197m I think so too
[13:51] <R34lB0rg> blocking facebook would unleash the wrath of the users
[13:52] <lz1dev> what would employees and students do tho??
[13:52] <edmoore> work or study
[13:53] <lz1dev> how would i keep up with memes from 2 weeks ago?
[13:53] <gonzo_> or learn to tunnel out
[13:53] <garymortimer_> Its the visitor ramp area if its gone much further
[13:55] <R34lB0rg> is this the worst landing space for a hab so far?
[13:56] <Laurenceb> one weird trick to get better landing spaces
[13:57] <Laurenceb> 10 weird places HAB payloads landed, you won't believe number 9
[13:58] <mattbrejza> i think the middle of a main road would be worse
[13:58] <mattbrejza> but had that drifted ~500m more north than i think it would be a clear winner
[13:58] <markireland> My first one was heading for the M1 for a long time
[13:58] <Laurenceb> or on top of a train
[13:58] <gonzo_> the crappy adverts on web pages that read like that annoy me. Even more than people starting an answer with 'So....'
[13:58] <Laurenceb> or 'like'
[13:58] <mattbrejza> dunno, trains would destroy it without issue
[13:59] <garymortimer_> So... did it like have the schools name on it
[13:59] <mattbrejza> drivers on the other hand
[13:59] <daveake> Just spoken to Steve to explain what's needed, and give him the freq etc
[13:59] <R34lB0rg> black cars showing up at the school
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[14:00] <garymortimer_> If its on the visiting aircraft parking apron, its a visiting aircraft so thats perfect
[14:00] <Laurenceb> heh
[14:00] <AndyEsser> haha
[14:00] <garymortimer_> just have to find a landing fee
[14:00] <gonzo_> there was a piece on the R4 prog (thuink it was 'the written word') where they asked the contributers to give their most hated misuse of the language. I was ranting that at the radio, when one of them came out with it. I must have veen ranting quite laudly
[14:00] <gonzo_> or a landing fine?
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[14:01] <garymortimer_> much better its on that area and not the next lot
[14:01] <Laurenceb> weapons storage?
[14:01] <R34lB0rg> it knew it is a visiting aircraft
[14:03] <garymortimer_> No thats on the otherside of the AF. Squadron aircraft in the next lot of hangers
[14:03] <Laurenceb> ah
[14:04] <garymortimer_> Colonel Robert G. Novotny is the base commander
[14:04] <edmoore> steve going the wrong way?
[14:05] <Laurenceb> so he is the guy you dont want to piss off :P
[14:06] <garymortimer_> what a shame its not thursday Thank you for your interest in the RAF Lakenheaths tour program. The Liberty Wing welcomes visitors to the base; it gives you a better understanding of the 48th Fighter Wings mission in East Anglia and gives us a chance to meet our neighbors. In this document, youll find information on how to submit a base tour request. Base tours are held from 1:30 - 4:30 p.m. on Thursdays. W
[14:06] <garymortimer_> http://www.lakenheath.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-120731-004.pdf
[14:07] <edmoore> he's corrected himself
[14:07] <garymortimer_> 1638 521110 and ask for the base commanders PA
[14:07] <edmoore> daveake: does steve have dl-fldigi set up? will any packets automatically appear?
[14:08] <daveake> I don't know; I asked him to either upload or let me know by text/phone
[14:08] <daveake> He said he wanted to try some new stuff out on the trip so no doubt he's tooled up
[14:11] <AndyEsser> mattbrejza: was it yourself that provided a better charging circuit for me last night?
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[14:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RISHTI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RISHTI
[14:11] <mattbrejza> ya
[14:11] <AndyEsser> mind if I DM you? (so as not to clog up this channel for chasers)
[14:11] <mattbrejza> sure
[14:13] <R34lB0rg> https://twitter.com/HABbyEAL
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[14:14] <edmoore> let's hope he can hear something
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[14:15] <daveake> If he can't, it's been, erm, dismantled
[14:15] <gonzo_> other than a controled detonation
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[14:16] <daveake> !dial BALYOLO
[14:16] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Latest dials for 03BALYOLO 3 10(3975): 03434.5019 MHz, 434.502 MHz, 434.503 MHz
[14:17] <mattbrejza> ISS time in a moment
[14:18] <craag> 20 minutes
[14:18] <edmoore> craag: is ISS being streamed live?
[14:19] <mattbrejza> oh i thought 1420 for some reason
[14:19] <craag> that was last week :)
[14:21] <markireland> Wow
[14:21] <daveake> ooer
[14:21] <craag> https://principia.ariss.org/dashboard/
[14:21] <cuddykid_work> guess its been picked up?
[14:21] <markireland> That cant be right
[14:21] <markireland> Yeah
[14:21] <daveake> Steve said he had 2 faint lines from where he was
[14:21] <Laurenceb> lol its moving fast
[14:21] <Laurenceb> lul
[14:21] <cuddykid_work> oh wow
[14:22] <markireland> That is the entrance
[14:22] <Laurenceb> I wonder if they know its transmitting
[14:22] <R34lB0rg> lol
[14:22] <cuddykid_work> chase it steve!
[14:22] <markireland> Follow them steve!
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[14:22] <mattbrejza> haha
[14:22] <edmoore> oh look!
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[14:22] <Laurenceb> looks like they have taken it to the guard hut?
[14:22] <qyx> lol going to starbucks
[14:22] <R34lB0rg> it's waiting at the gate
[14:22] <Laurenceb> nice
[14:22] <garymortimer> web went out here, I see some kind soul has it
[14:22] <garymortimer> and its at the gate
[14:23] <garymortimer> Very cool
[14:23] <Rebounder> what
[14:23] <markireland> This could have been a lot worse
[14:23] <Rebounder> tracking :)
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> They probably phoned the number on the package ....
[14:24] <daveake> you'd think/hope the launch team would have called first
[14:24] <gonzo_> poss they did get the call in, in time. Or even (I know it's a long shot) someone read the text on the payload?!
[14:24] <gonzo_> snap
[14:24] <daveake> long shot indeed
[14:25] <markireland> Lets hope we see the video
[14:25] <markireland> We never did see that video from Brunel Uni over London did we!?
[14:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Steve's gone in as well!
[14:26] <garymortimer> Best he takes some photos and tells us all a yarn
[14:27] <daveake> The "tracking across an airbase" is funny (if it all works out well)
[14:29] <garymortimer> Base telephone numbers on the tracking map maybe
[14:30] <tweetBot> @RishworthS: Payload located on today's track and retrieve exercise for our #space programme😎 #ukhas @Raspberry_Pi @pitsproject 🚀 https://t.co/JLa7DzITwL
[14:30] <tweetBot> @RishworthS: Payload located on today's track and retrieve exercise for our #space programme😎 #ukhas @Raspberry_Pi... https://t.co/rH57kk4tKL
[14:31] <markireland> Wonder what is happening
[14:31] <markireland> 'Must hand over GoPro sd cards' ?
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[14:34] <garymortimer> doubt it these days
[14:35] <edmoore> and theyre off
[14:35] <garymortimer> Steves away
[14:35] <gonzo_> alls well that ends
[14:35] <gonzo_> '
[14:36] <daveake> RocketBoy> all is fine guard house now have it. they may want to take a look at the footage theres a bit of a protest going on here woman in the road with a flag of some sort stopping traffic from leaving base
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[14:36] <Laurenceb> heh
[14:36] <garymortimer> Sundowners jere by way of celebration, I look forward to reading about this one
[14:37] <daveake> "High altitude balloon helps convict woman blocking traffic"
[14:37] <AndyEsser> hahaha
[14:37] <craag> 3 minutes til ISS Contact: https://principia.ariss.org/live
[14:37] <G8APZ> That explains some of the odd tracks at end of flight then.
[14:37] <garymortimer> Woman claims to have seen aliens landing at USAF base
[14:38] <daveake> Sorry craag this is more interesting :p
[14:38] <daveake> TVM for link shall watch :)
[14:38] <craag> hah
[14:39] <edmoore> watching
[14:39] <Upu> wow when did batc up their game ? :)
[14:39] <craag> when I got here Upu
[14:39] <Upu> lol
[14:39] <edmoore> ciaran is being cryptic
[14:39] <mattbrejza> oh so they think the footage will help them rather than them being concerned about secret stuff?
[14:39] <craag> daveake: this is what the ISS is for!
[14:39] <craag> (outreach!)
[14:39] <gonzo_> phil has probably just halved the average age of their tech team
[14:39] <craag> right work bbl
[14:39] <daveake> :)
[14:39] <edmoore> there are controllable controls and uncontrollable things we can control and things we don't know that we can't control
[14:40] <Laurenceb> lol wut
[14:40] <Laurenceb> is that the new BATC committee?
[14:40] <gonzo_> and of course things we don't know we can't contro;l
[14:40] <Laurenceb> oh wow it is
[14:40] <garymortimer> delaying sundowners for the ISS contact ;-)
[14:40] <Laurenceb> average age ~6
[14:41] <edmoore> link stopped for me
[14:41] <edmoore> craag
[14:41] <edmoore> back up now
[14:41] <edmoore> stopped again
[14:41] <gonzo_> its very choppy here
[14:41] <daveake> sound stopped but is ok now
[14:41] <mattbrejza> fine here
[14:41] <gonzo_> <5%
[14:41] <Laurenceb> obviously the new committee is running the stream
[14:41] <Laurenceb> but they had to go back to pre school
[14:41] <garymortimer> well spoken lad
[14:42] <garymortimer> rewease woderic
[14:42] <tweetBot> @RishworthS: Payload retrieved! Successful test of tracking equipment for our
[14:42] <tweetBot> #space programme #ukhas @pitsproject @Raspberry_Pi https://t.co/sSEt2WgJqm
[14:43] <edmoore> down for me now for about 1m
[14:43] <mattbrejza> yay tv time
[14:43] <garymortimer> Ham TV
[14:44] <garymortimer> is this on 145.8??
[14:44] <markireland> Is Tim prepped for these questions?
[14:44] <R34lB0rg> almost the same questions every time
[14:45] <mattbrejza> just about there on the websdr
[14:46] <edmoore> markireland: yes.
[14:46] <garymortimer> have it on websdr now
[14:46] <garymortimer> mad sat in south africa, watching and listening.
[14:47] <garymortimer> well done alll fab
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[14:50] <ProSpectre> is Steve now goin for your paylod dave?
[14:50] <daveake> yes
[14:50] <ProSpectre> :D nice
[14:51] <daveake> I was going to chase, but as I was getting ready to leave Steve asked if I wanted him to get it for me
[14:51] <daveake> Good decision, as a) it saves me 6 hours driving, and b) I got to watch the adventures of balyolo
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[14:52] <daveake> I think he's stopped for lunch :)
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[14:53] <edmoore> it's not even 3
[14:53] <edmoore> feels later
[14:53] <AndyEsser> anyone know, before I dive into the datasheets - are the IO pins on the AVR328p 5v tolerant?
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[14:56] <edmoore> dive into the datasheet
[14:56] <edmoore> look at the electrical characteristics
[14:56] <edmoore> see that it's VCC + 0.5 up to 5.5V
[14:56] <edmoore> observe that 0.5V is a bit less than a diode switch-on
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> As a general point, 10K resistors in series with all IOs will make lots of chips tolerant
[14:57] <edmoore> reason that that's because the io pins have diode input protection and so if you input VCC + >0.6 then you'll start to get current flowing onto your vcc rail through the protection diode
[14:57] <edmoore> and then be enlightened in a friday afternoon of knowing-vs-understanding
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> (where tolerant = not die.
[14:58] <AndyEsser> edmoore: ok thanks
[14:59] <AndyEsser> I shall re-read and digest what you've just old me
[14:59] <AndyEsser> told*
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Also - 'ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM VALUES' means values at which it will not die for 10s.
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> it may not work optimally afterwards, and may not work at all during imposition of those limits
[14:59] <LunarMobile> What part are you discussing?
[15:00] <LunarMobile> Hi btw
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> <AndyEsser> anyone know, before I dive into the datasheets - are the IO pins on the AVR328p 5v tolerant?
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[15:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hr_v_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hr_v_chase
[15:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Object Movie for the BALYOLO3 flight http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2016_Flights/BALYOLO-ACORN_20160226/index.php?ind=4
[15:13] <Upu> anyone likely to be placing an order with HAB Supplies in the next few days ?
[15:13] <Upu> if you are could you do it via https://store.uputronics.com/ and let me know what you think
[15:13] <Upu> ta
[15:14] <AndyEsser> hmm... global labels in KiCad - do they work like wires?
[15:14] <AndyEsser> ie if I have "LABEL1" connected to a wire
[15:14] <AndyEsser> and another label "LABEL1" connected to another wire, does it count as those two wires being connected?
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[15:17] <LunarMobile> Thanks for the info upu :)
[15:18] <daveake> Steve nearly at PI434 now
[15:20] <Rebounder> hopefully easy pic
[15:20] <daveake> He says he can see it
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[15:21] <daveake> position updated
[15:21] <daveake> cool, enar edge of field
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[15:21] <Rebounder> might be easier than USAF.. :)
[15:22] <daveake> 3:19 PM <daveake> Easy to get to ?
[15:22] <daveake> 3:21 PM <RocketBoy> yep - peasy
[15:22] <daveake> well that one got taken to the gate, so was even easier :/
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[15:28] <R34lB0rg> wonder if we will hear about the recovery from RAF
[15:29] <tweetBot> @daveake: My PI434/868 flight recovered (by a very helpful fellow HABber). #UKHAS https://t.co/3rqwX3F96H
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[15:46] <AndyEsser> Should test points be added to the schematic? or just added onto the PCB during design?
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> both is useful
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[15:47] <AndyEsser> I shall liberally spread them around the schematic as required then :)
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> same as you add connectors - test points are just connectors
[15:48] <AndyEsser> yea, was just going to use a 1x1 connector in Kicad on the schematic to denote them
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> they let you think about where you want test points at schematic entry time, which is probably right
[15:48] <AndyEsser> yea
[15:48] <AndyEsser> that was my thinking
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[15:59] <tweetBot> @petejbell: @BBCMIDigital https://t.co/V5u8DgTOv6
[16:00] <tweetBot> @ReiverArmstrong: @PeterGWeather @ProfBrianCox @NASA @spacegovuk Testing the retrieval equipment today prior to our launch in 2 weeks. https://t.co/v2jDmXOcq2
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[16:20] <tweetBot> @ReiverArmstrong: @PeterGWeather @ProfBrianCox @NASA @spacegovuk Success! 😀 https://t.co/ZFXRBBehKw
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[16:26] <Ian_> Thanks daveake for relaying your RocketBoy PM info for our info and entertainment this afternoon and many thanks to Steve for his fearless assistance. :)
[16:27] <daveake> Yeah, a bit above and beyond the call of duty there, especially with the the lakenheath thing :/
[16:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did the balyolo team pick it up or Steve ?
[16:31] <number10> steve
[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> I saw him on the map but wasn't sure!
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[16:38] <daveake> I think he left it at the gate for balyolo to pick up
[16:45] <edmoore> trees come out of the air rather than out of the ground, when you consider that they're mostly carbon
[16:46] <edmoore> from this we can draw an important analogy for management and startups: close the spreadsheet and go for a drink because it's friday afternoon
[16:47] <AndyEsser> ha
[16:49] <AndyEsser> I do believe, that my schematic is _almost_ ready for another review and check :)
[16:49] <AndyEsser> usual dirty PCB turnaround was like 4-6 weeks, wasn't it?
[16:49] <edmoore> shoot it
[16:49] <edmoore> i mean, put it online
[16:49] <AndyEsser> edmoore: not quite ready yet
[16:50] <AndyEsser> I need to go through and add some Test Points in
[16:50] <AndyEsser> and a mountain of Resistor values need calculating
[16:50] <AndyEsser> but, latest version
[16:50] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/ZYy1CBD
[16:57] <AndyEsser> O yea, still need to change out the RTC
[16:57] <nick_> AndyEsser: you're allowed to use multiple sheets.
[16:58] <AndyEsser> that seems far too sensible
[16:58] <AndyEsser> I suspect when I tie outputs to ground, they should really be taken via a resistor?
[16:58] <AndyEsser> for example the ANTON pin on the GPS?
[16:58] <nick_> Also, am I right in thking you're using a bunch of global labels?
[16:58] <nick_> When it might be better to use local ones?
[16:58] <AndyEsser> Yes, they're global
[16:58] <AndyEsser> I wasn't aware of local ones
[16:59] <AndyEsser> Is that local to the sheet, or project?
[16:59] <nick_> You put a local label on the net
[16:59] <nick_> And I think that's local to a sheet.
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[16:59] <nick_> Since you only have one sheet that doesn't really make any difference.
[17:00] <AndyEsser> so if I had mmultiple sheets
[17:00] <AndyEsser> local would be across each individual sheet
[17:00] <AndyEsser> but global but span them all
[17:00] <AndyEsser> (for example the +3v3 rail would likely be global)
[17:00] <nick_> But if you use hierachical sheets then I think it's nicer to have local one and entry points to the sheets.
[17:00] <AndyEsser> Ah ok
[17:00] <nick_> Yeah, I think it makes sense to have a small number of globals.
[17:00] <AndyEsser> Shall look at that when I do my next one
[17:00] <nick_> In the schematic I'm working on basically 3v3 and GND.
[17:00] <AndyEsser> Unfortunately I have to bugger offski
[17:01] <AndyEsser> but please feel free to PM any of the thoughts so that I can easily check them when I'm next on
[17:01] <nick_> Well, you could also turn this into multiple sheets with little effort.
[17:01] <AndyEsser> if I don't pop on - have a good weekend all
[17:02] <R34lB0rg> you too AndyEsser
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[17:06] <Lunar_Lander> thanks you too AndyEsser
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[18:19] <garymortimer> right then I'm back I see Steve went on for the other payloads, does Lakenheath still have the other?
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[18:30] <RocketBoy> When I left Lakenheath at about 2:30 their gate 1 reception had the BALYOLO payload and the team had phoned them and were 20 mins away
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[19:11] <Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/K0BjfL.jpg
[19:14] <gb73d> lol
[19:14] <gb73d> i dont get most of it :)
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[19:22] <gurlavie> Hi, I am looking to setup an iGate. Any recommendation for a DIY reference ? Tax
[19:22] <Vaizki> kind of put of scope here?
[19:22] <Vaizki> out of scope...
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[19:56] <clwillingham> Hello, I'm looking to launch a HAB in Florida next month. we've got a LoRA transceiver on-board for basic telemetry and a backup GSM Module to send its location after the payload has landed. Considering the protocol's are different, would it still be possible to track it through HABHub?
[19:56] <clwillingham> *(LoRa RFM95W more specifically)
[19:58] <fsphil> daveake wrote this: https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway
[19:58] <fsphil> it runs on a Pi and can upload lora data to habhub
[19:58] <daveake> It is. If the LoRa transmissions are standard UKHAS style telemetry then they just need uploading to habitat
[19:58] <fsphil> it can handle normal UKHAS-style strings as a lora packet iirc, and a custom binary format too
[19:59] <daveake> which is, essentially, what that software fsphil mentioned does
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[20:02] <clwillingham> That is awesome, thanks. We're actually using a Moteino as the interface, and i can customize the output to follow any style necessary.
[20:03] <clwillingham> is there anything i should do when generating the config file?
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[20:06] <clwillingham> ah nevermind, i think i just figured out what i was missing, i thaught you had to add the radio and telemetry configuration in genpayload
[20:07] <daveake> You do need to defined the sentence structure in genpayload; you don't need the rtty stuff.
[20:10] <clwillingham> Ok, cool.
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[20:34] <AndyEsser> RocketBoy: how did it get to Gate 1 in the first place - did someone happen to find it, or did they have to go searching for it?
[20:42] <clwillingham> Just setup the payload config, here's the doc ID. let me know if theres anything I should change: fb3bb266516c12214a54a1271b46f1df
[20:52] <daveake> Nobody can tell if your payload config is correct, without uploading from your payload, which is something only you can do/.
[20:53] <daveake> So, try uploading. If your payload appears on the map then it's correct; if not then check http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ for error messages
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[21:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[21:18] <RocketBoy> AndyEsser: It landed on a pile of aggregate - one of the contractors picked it up and took it to the Gate1 reception - When I went in he was with the desk clerk who was on the phone working out how to handle it.
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[21:25] <daveake> We saw it moving on the map after you started to upload positions from it, which was interesting.
[21:27] <RocketBoy> yeah - he must have been driving with it on the internal roads - he seemed to double back at one point - difficut to see whats going on as they have put up a high fence.
[21:30] <Vaizki> you put a payload down on RAF Lakenheath? I missed all the action being at a trade show..
[21:31] <Upu> you missed an exciting afternoon :)
[21:31] <daveake> This was the balyolo team
[21:31] <daveake> (You Only Lakenheath Once)
[21:31] <Vaizki> oh.. tracker web gui has been updated too
[21:32] <daveake> Steve was on his way to (very kindly) recover my payload (which landed in a field, near a road, not in an airbase)
[21:32] <daveake> when we diverted him to help figure out where balyolo was
[21:33] <Vaizki> so now all on the home office christmas card list :)
[21:34] <Vaizki> + you're
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[22:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6ZXH-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6ZXH-11
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[23:58] <Laurenceb_> these are interesting http://www.ceramtec.co.uk/files/mt_biolox_delta_en.pdf
[23:58] <Laurenceb_> I wonder what non medical applications await
[23:59] <sketco> Is the telemetry from this flight available anywhere?
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