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[01:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[02:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF7RCV-11 after 038 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF7RCV-11
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[03:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[05:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03E4_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E4_chase
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[06:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
[06:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL3AKB-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL3AKB-11
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[07:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03160000.0302.002_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=160000.0302.002_chase
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[10:21] <fsphil> first!!1
[10:22] <LazyLeopard> ?
[10:22] Action: LazyLeopard is not yet more than half awake...
[10:22] <fsphil> just very quiet :)
[10:23] <LazyLeopard> Indeed... ;)
[10:23] <fsphil> I'm at least 45% awake
[10:23] <fsphil> should hit 90% before home time
[10:26] <gonzo_> at home time, with a step change
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[10:35] <Ben-AstroSoc> when writing file with avr, do you need to put the full file path, and if not, where should you put the file you're flashing?
[10:35] <Ben-AstroSoc> avrdude*
[10:36] <craag> path can be relative to the current directory you're in
[10:36] <craag> assuming you're running it from some command line interface
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[10:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> gotcha
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[10:54] <Ben-AstroSoc> ayy, got dl-fldigi to listen to the signal
[10:54] <Ben-AstroSoc> hadn't realised you could drag the bandwidth around
[11:04] <craag> :)
[11:04] <Ben-AstroSoc> is the atmega328 supported in avrdude? can only find the 328p
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[11:09] <Chimpusmaximus> daveake: do you mean this Friday in your mail? Got confused with the 23rd date.
[11:10] <daveake> oops yeah this friday 26th
[11:11] <Chimpusmaximus> cheers
[11:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RISHTI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RISHTI
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[11:15] <craag> Won't be able to help you receive pics on 868MHz on fri daveake :/ busy receiving pics from iss on 2395MHz
[11:17] <edmoore> what sort of pics?
[11:18] <daveake> tsk priorities eh? :p
[11:18] <edmoore> oh yeah he has exams
[11:19] <craag> edmoore: dvb-s pics of an astronaut doing his job on the international outreach station
[11:20] <gonzo_> craag, one of my friends is over at the school for the event. His strumech tower has been invited to go and play
[11:22] <craag> gonzo_: john?
[11:22] <gonzo_> that's him
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[11:23] <craag> Yeah he's been along to most so far
[11:23] <gonzo_> I take it, you are involved with the dvb feed for the event then
[11:24] <gonzo_> he's a man of relative leisure, so having fun playing
[11:27] <craag> I do all the IT, venue networking, video stream in from land rover and goonhilly, webcast stream out, and the webcast server.
[11:28] <craag> Recently been tackling the webcast audio too when everything is working
[11:28] <gonzo_> ah, nice. Didn't realise.
[11:28] <gonzo_> when you see john say Jules says 'owwwww dooooo'
[11:29] <craag> heh ok
[11:29] <craag> im driving up thursday evening
[11:29] <gonzo_> it's a big world, but there are lots of small circles within it
[11:29] <edmoore> string theory
[11:29] <gonzo_> a theory about string
[11:31] <daveake> Do groups of string theorists find accord?
[11:31] <AndyEsser> *facepalm*
[11:31] <gonzo_> I knew you would pickup the thread
[11:35] <R34lB0rg> superstring
[11:36] <gonzo_> Simpson's Individual Emperor Stringettes
[11:38] <R34lB0rg> homer in the 3d world was what 11 dimensions would be for us :)
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[11:44] <matt_astroSoc> Hi all does anyone have a link to a source where my team can buy a parachute for our weather balloon please. UK site?
[11:44] <matt_astroSoc> Thanks.
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[11:44] <daveake> http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Parachutes.html
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[11:44] <matt_astroSoc> Thank you.
[11:45] <edmoore> are you related to ben?
[11:45] <matt_astroSoc> Yeah same team.
[11:45] <edmoore> Good.
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[11:55] <Laurenceb> tbh I'd just make one out of plastic
[11:59] <Laurenceb> you can also add a frame https://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:mihab:p4130055.jpg?id=projects%3Amihab%3Aglider
[11:59] <Laurenceb> /jk
[12:03] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> Ben-AstroSoc: I use extremeburner and have aded tis to chip.xml to get it to recognice 328
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[12:03] <daveake> You could make that stick more pointy :-)
[12:04] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> <CHIP> <NAME>ATmega328P</NAME> <FLASH>32768</FLASH> <EEPROM>1024</EEPROM> <SIG>0x000F951E</SIG> <PAGE>128</PAGE> <LFUSE layout="2">YES</LFUSE> <HFUSE layout="5">YES</HFUSE> <EFUSE layout="4">YES</EFUSE> <LOCK>YES</LOCK> <CALIB>YES</CALIB>
[12:04] <Ben-AstroSoc> i found a fix for the config file, works now :)
[12:04] <SA6BSS-Mike|2> okik
[12:05] Nick change: SA6BSS-Mike|2 -> SA6BSS-Mike
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[12:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-12 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-12
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[12:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI434 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI434
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[13:08] <craag> RTLSDR folks - Should I use max tuner gain or auto?
[13:29] <Rebounder> for what? :)
[13:31] <craag> Receiving ISS
[13:31] <craag> on 2m
[13:31] <craag> So weak signal effectively
[13:32] <craag> I was effectively wondering if auto would give as good as manual-max in the absence of strong signals?
[13:40] <craag> nvm, played safe and gone with auto :)
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[14:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bFleghzy/testStringBuild
[14:19] <Ben-AstroSoc> does anything look awfully wrong with that?
[14:20] <AndyEsser> some of this looks familiar... :P
[14:21] <Rebounder> tx_datastring is global?
[14:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> tx_datastirng is global yeah
[14:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> is pent an hour trying to do it with loops and copying the bits then gave up and looked up snprintf
[14:24] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: I believe your latDirection and lonDirection are the wrong way around
[14:24] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, memset on line 2 contradicts comment on line 12
[14:25] <R34lB0rg> I don't know how you handle the tx_buffer elsewhere
[14:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> i was tyring to wipe it before writing a new set of data
[14:25] <AndyEsser> R34lB0rg: how does it contradict?
[14:25] <AndyEsser> because it says "append"
[14:25] <AndyEsser> ?
[14:25] <R34lB0rg> AndyEsser, yeah
[14:26] <AndyEsser> appending to an empty char buffer is the same as setting the char buffer to the contents
[14:26] <jonsowman> valid use of append i think
[14:26] <AndyEsser> you're aruging semantics
[14:26] <jonsowman> indeed
[14:27] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: what does the gpsLatDir and gpsLonDir look like?
[14:27] <AndyEsser> is it just a minus sign when it's W/S
[14:27] <AndyEsser> ?
[14:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> it's a single character with either 'N', 'S', 'E', 'W'
[14:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> i;m not sure how they convert to be honest
[14:27] <AndyEsser> right ok
[14:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> figured i'd deal with it on the ground/habhub woul dbe ok with it
[14:27] <AndyEsser> It'd be worth checking that dl-fldigi/habitat is ok with that
[14:28] <AndyEsser> for eg I do I check on the N/S and E/W chars and prepend a - if required to the 'numbers' section of the coordinates
[14:28] <R34lB0rg> AndyEsser, I didn't mean to argue semantics, I am a coder and this looks to me like the tx_buf was meant to be appended there and emptied by some sendchar
[14:29] <Ben-AstroSoc> so if it's N/E i'ts +ve and S/W is -ve?
[14:29] <AndyEsser> Yarp
[14:30] <Ben-AstroSoc> gotcha
[14:30] <AndyEsser> but again - check if habitat/dl-fldigi are ok with your way
[14:30] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'll fix that in a minute
[14:30] <AndyEsser> no point doing stuff if you don't need to
[14:30] <Ben-AstroSoc> i suppose
[14:32] <jonsowman> you're allowed dddmm.mmmm
[14:32] <jonsowman> but decimal degrees is just nicer
[14:33] <AndyEsser> jonsowman: well I wasn't suggesting changing to decimal degrees because that's a lot of work for little gain
[14:33] <AndyEsser> it was more whether it needed to be
[14:33] <AndyEsser> ddmm.mmmS
[14:33] <AndyEsser> or
[14:33] <AndyEsser> -ddmm.mmm
[14:34] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, I would remove gpsAltUnit
[14:34] <Ben-AstroSoc> m is implied?
[14:34] <jonsowman> http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ukhas_parser.html#coordinate-fields
[14:35] <AndyEsser> ah, no mention of N/S and E/W
[14:35] <AndyEsser> so guessing it doesn't like it
[14:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> right, i'll switch it in a mo
[14:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9DBI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9DBI-11
[14:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> wondering the best way to check if my gps is entering airborne dynamic model
[14:38] <daveake> ask it
[14:40] <AndyEsser> "Please sir, can I have some more?"
[14:40] <AndyEsser> :)
[14:41] <Ben-AstroSoc> wondering if that's not being initialised properly as i'm just getting 0s coming out atm
[14:41] <Ben-AstroSoc> hm
[14:44] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, you memcopy tx_datastring before sending?
[14:44] <Ben-AstroSoc> the buildstring function doesn't send anything, it just builds the final formatted string to be transmitted
[14:44] <Ben-AstroSoc> i call it evervy time the previous string has been transmitted
[14:46] <AndyEsser> Definitely in that order?
[14:46] <AndyEsser> transmitMessage();
[14:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF7RCV-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF7RCV-11
[14:46] <AndyEsser> buildMessage();
[14:46] <AndyEsser> neither triggered by interrupt?
[14:46] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, would you mind to show the code?
[14:46] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'll pastebin my code hang on
[14:47] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, I don't mind a query if that saves you the step
[14:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://pastebin.com/R5uXrWdY
[14:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> the way it works is every timer interrupt i transmit a bit, after the finaln bit of the final character i build a new string
[14:50] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: what's your logic behind some of your volatile variables?
[14:51] <Ben-AstroSoc> the only volatile ones are on the flags being set by the interrupts
[14:53] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, line 335 j == 10 never true
[14:54] <R34lB0rg> set to zero on 318
[14:54] <AndyEsser> Also, you don't j++ in default: part of your switch statement - so it'll do the 'case 0:' bit and then just permantmly fall into the default
[14:55] <Ben-AstroSoc> good catch
[14:56] <R34lB0rg> code review is a good practice :)
[14:56] <Ben-AstroSoc> ah, yeah j is getting reset every call
[14:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> right, fixed that
[14:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> maybe should test the string transmission bits separately, considering i think i have an issue with my gps initialisation
[15:00] <R34lB0rg> I just wanted to ask whether your gps initialization works
[15:00] <AndyEsser> Yea, set up a dummy packet from the GPS so that all your methods are still doing all their manipulations and transmitting
[15:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> i've just set an LED up to light up when gpsInitialised goes true and it's not doing anything so
[15:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> gonna set up some dummy info and come to that in a minute
[15:01] <R34lB0rg> are you able to read nmea without initialization?
[15:02] <Ben-AstroSoc> i mean im sitting in a lab at the moment but i'll have a look
[15:03] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, my usb ublox starts streaming nmea as soon as i open the device
[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03160000.0302.002_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=160000.0302.002_chase
[15:06] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, try setting gpsInitialised=1 and disable GPS_Init
[15:07] <Ben-AstroSoc> lemme write something to mirror the NMEA to the transmitter, brb
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[15:08] <Ben-AstroSoc> oh
[15:08] <Ben-AstroSoc> wait a second
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[15:08] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'm dumba s bricks
[15:08] Action: AndyEsser waits
[15:08] Action: AndyEsser triggers interrupt
[15:08] <R34lB0rg> will be to slow?
[15:08] <Ben-AstroSoc> i migh tbe setting the gps enable pin high after i've done the initilaisatino hang on
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[15:09] <Ben-AstroSoc> nope i haven't done that
[15:09] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, try making gps initialization a separate issue
[15:09] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah i'm ignoring it at the moment
[15:09] <R34lB0rg> you may ignore nmea because you are looking for the initialization response
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[15:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> still getting solid 0s
[15:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> gonna have to have a propel look at this
[15:26] <AndyEsser> do you have a USB-TTL cable, or something like MAX232 IC?
[15:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> nono
[15:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> no*
[15:27] <AndyEsser> which Max module are you using again?
[15:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> max-m8q
[15:28] <Ben-AstroSoc> i think im trying to test too much at once
[15:28] <AndyEsser> I'd definitely recommend something like a USB-TTL cable so you can just hook into the TX/RX pins on the UBlox and see what it's spewing out in Putty
[15:29] <edmoore> or a scope
[15:29] <edmoore> with serial decode
[15:29] <AndyEsser> ^
[15:29] <AndyEsser> or i2c decode if you're using i2c
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[15:33] <Ben-AstroSoc> there's no way in hell our scopes at uni do that :')
[15:33] <AndyEsser> do a manual decode :)
[15:37] <fsphil> I like that the newer budget scopes can do that
[15:42] <Ben-AstroSoc> ok, i think i'm transmitting data properly but the frequency shift looks completely wrong all of a sudden
[15:42] <Ben-AstroSoc> hm
[15:46] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://i.imgur.com/DAVUk9E.png
[15:46] <Ben-AstroSoc> used RTTY custom settings to set 425Hz shift but it doesn't line up :/
[15:46] <AndyEsser> dl-fldigi appears to be looking at a 170 Hz shift
[15:46] <AndyEsser> (also in dl-fldigi you want to move the white/yellow lines to line up with your signal)
[15:47] <AndyEsser> (err... red lines)
[15:47] <Ben-AstroSoc> i changed the settings in the OP-mode > RTTY > custom menu
[15:47] <AndyEsser> if you look at the bottom left
[15:47] <AndyEsser> it says RTTY 50 / 170
[15:47] <AndyEsser> which mans 50 Baud and 170 shift (if I remember correctly)
[15:47] <AndyEsser> Configure > Modems > RTTY I think is the screen you might want to look at
[15:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> how do i change that?
[15:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> ah
[15:48] <AndyEsser> trying to do this from memory from a few weeks ago
[15:48] <AndyEsser> so again - might be a bit of noise in these instructions :)
[15:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> yep ypoure right
[15:49] <fsphil> there's a shortcut if you right click on the text 'RTTY' in the bottom left
[15:49] <fsphil> or left click, can't remember
[15:49] <AndyEsser> one of the clicks
[15:49] <fsphil> apple people will have no idea what I'm talking about
[15:49] <Ben-AstroSoc> hm, its decoding rubbish
[15:49] <AndyEsser> screenie again please
[15:50] <fsphil> tech support in the matrix must be so much easier. "Please wait, an agent will be replacing you shortly."
[15:50] <AndyEsser> :P
[15:51] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://imgur.com/kPdj6Cg
[15:51] <AndyEsser> try reducing the volum in SDR# slightly
[15:51] <AndyEsser> see if you can get a slightly cleaner signal coming through
[15:51] <fsphil> it's not your problem, but turn SQL off (bottom right)
[15:52] <AndyEsser> also, you made sure the RTTY settings match your start/data/stop bits and ASCII/BAUDOT etc?
[15:52] <Ben-AstroSoc> where am i looking for volume? it should do yeah, lemme check
[15:53] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: pick volume type slider in the top left corner (horizontal) in SDR#
[15:53] <AndyEsser> s/pick/big
[15:54] <Ben-AstroSoc> ooh, hang on, not sure my code is doing start data stop stop properly
[15:54] <Ben-AstroSoc> should be tho
[15:54] <AndyEsser> when not sending an actual message - just send constant stop bit
[15:55] <Ben-AstroSoc> i have it looping sending a dummy msg atm
[15:58] <fsphil> extract from Twilight?
[15:58] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://pastebin.com/e1b0qHaH
[15:58] <gonzo_> if it;s an ntx2 type tx module, and you have an oscilloscope, you can look at the actual rtty waveform
[15:58] <fsphil> again not your problem, but just a comment: //sets up the CPU such that 1s = 8m clock cycles
[15:59] <gonzo_> (may need to add a delay or lots of stop bits to help you lock on the frame)
[15:59] <fsphil> you're not setting the CPU frequency here, just letting your program and the libraries know what it is
[15:59] <fsphil> your program has no control over it
[15:59] <gonzo_> (my last comment was re: looking with a scope)
[15:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> not having an antenna on either end wouldn't have a noticable effect given that it's right next tome woul dit?
[16:00] <gonzo_> you are getting good signal so, no it don't matter
[16:00] <fsphil> not really no, though you can still overload the receiver if they're too close
[16:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> it's about 18" from the radio
[16:02] <fsphil> you've a problem at line 126
[16:02] <AndyEsser> stupid question... where do you actually set the interrupt timer compare value?
[16:02] <AndyEsser> derp
[16:02] <AndyEsser> TCNT1 = reload;
[16:03] <AndyEsser> o no...
[16:03] <fsphil> You should push the rtty bit logic into the interrupt. it's pretty light weight
[16:04] <Ben-AstroSoc> i can;t decode from the scope but it's a clean signal
[16:04] <Ben-AstroSoc> what's the problem at line 126?
[16:05] <fsphil> it shouldn't be there :)
[16:05] <AndyEsser> it shouldn't?
[16:05] <AndyEsser> it indicates moving to the next character, doesn't it?
[16:05] <fsphil> oh sorry
[16:05] <AndyEsser> (rather than next ibt)
[16:05] <AndyEsser> bit*
[16:05] <fsphil> I confused rI with rJ
[16:05] <fsphil> bad choice of variable names :)
[16:06] <AndyEsser> indeed
[16:06] <AndyEsser> currentBit
[16:06] <AndyEsser> currentChar
[16:06] <AndyEsser> might be better :)
[16:06] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: just get it to send a stream of 'A' chars to start with
[16:06] <AndyEsser> and then go from there
[16:07] <AndyEsser> 00100000111
[16:12] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://imgur.com/ZqMMwTa
[16:13] <Ben-AstroSoc> "A\n"
[16:14] <Ben-AstroSoc> same with A spam, looks fine on waterfall but not decoding
[16:15] <Ben-AstroSoc> does the dropdown underneath callsign/time/latitude need to be USB or RTTY?
[16:16] <Rebounder> tried revesre? :)
[16:16] <Ben-AstroSoc> hm?
[16:16] <fsphil> USB
[16:17] <fsphil> RTTY in dldigi's mode list is an alias for LSB, which is wrong
[16:19] <fsphil> your timer setup looks odd
[16:20] <fsphil> can you explain the 45536?
[16:21] <fsphil> it's not correct if your CPU is 8mhz
[16:21] <fsphil> you need to use the same calculation you have for the USART rate
[16:21] <fsphil> F_CPU / DIV / BAUD - 1
[16:21] <Ben-AstroSoc> tha'ts what I did
[16:21] <Ben-AstroSoc> i think
[16:22] <fsphil> 8000000 / 8 / 50 - 1
[16:22] <fsphil> should be 19999
[16:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> i did 65536 - (8000000/8 * 20 * 10^-3)
[16:23] <fsphil> where'd you get that from?
[16:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> lecture notes for an overflow timer
[16:23] <fsphil> stick with F_CPU / DIV / BAUD - 1 :)
[16:24] <Ben-AstroSoc> let me plug 19999 and see what happens
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[16:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> still no decode :/
[16:26] <fsphil> any change at all?
[16:27] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: do you have a scope you can attach and triple check the timings?
[16:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> didn't look like it >_>
[16:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah, 2s
[16:28] <edmoore> needs to be 0.02s really
[16:28] <fsphil> :)
[16:28] <AndyEsser> I suspect tha tmight be your issue... :)
[16:29] <Ben-AstroSoc> its looking like about 50ms
[16:30] <fsphil> pause on a byte and take a photo of your scope :)
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[16:31] <Ben-AstroSoc> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZUhi7Ey8/IMG_0981.JPG
[16:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> doesnt appear to be anydifferente between both reload values
[16:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL3AKB-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL3AKB-11
[16:38] <AndyEsser> have you tried halving your timer count, just for shits and giggles and seeing what happens?
[16:43] <Ben-AstroSoc> Set it to 20000, no change
[16:43] <AndyEsser> suggests that your timer is triggering on overflow perhaps and not compare
[16:43] <AndyEsser> what was the link to your code again?
[16:44] <Ben-AstroSoc> It is triggering on overflow
[16:45] <Ben-AstroSoc> Will link when my laptop stops locking up -.-
[16:45] <AndyEsser> are you using TIMER0 or TIMER1?
[16:45] <Ben-AstroSoc> TIMER1
[16:47] <fsphil> you seem to be using the default timer mode
[16:47] <AndyEsser> on a 328p TIMER1 is a 16-bit int
[16:47] <fsphil> it overflows on 0xFFFF
[16:47] <AndyEsser> so it'll overflow at 65535 ticks
[16:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah, hence my equation earlier
[16:48] <fsphil> http://www.atmel.com/images/Atmel-8271-8-bit-AVR-Microcontroller-ATmega48A-48PA-88A-88PA-168A-168PA-328-328P_datasheet_Complete.pdf
[16:48] <fsphil> page 132
[16:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://pastebin.com/21VvaUXF is the code atm
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[16:50] <Ben-AstroSoc> > i did 65536 - (8000000/8 * 20 * 10^-3)
[16:50] <fsphil> you probably want the CTC mode
[16:51] <fsphil> using OCR1A to set the overflow value to your (F_CPU / DIV / RATE - 1) value
[16:52] <Ben-AstroSoc> So an output compare?
[16:52] <fsphil> you're trying to modify the counter as it's counting
[16:52] <fsphil> that's bad. let the hardware do the hard work
[16:53] <fsphil> CTC is "clear timer on compare match"
[16:53] <fsphil> it counts up to your value, then starts again
[16:53] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'll refactor to an output compare when i get home and see if it works any better
[16:53] <Ben-AstroSoc> right
[16:54] <fsphil> what you're doing now is just setting the initial counter value
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[16:54] <fsphil> it'll ignore that after the first clear and just count from 0 to 65535
[16:55] <fsphil> if you really wanted to do that you'd have to reset the counter value each time
[16:55] <daveake> Not that this is the problem, but the idea of using a timer ISR is to do the RTTY bit-wiggling inside the ISR, not to set a flag and have your (possibly busy doing something else) main loop test the flag and do the RTTY
[16:55] <Ben-AstroSoc> Doesn't it reset to reload after overflow or have I missed something dumb
[16:55] <fsphil> but there's no point
[16:55] <fsphil> no
[16:55] <Ben-AstroSoc> Right, I was taught not to fill up the interrupt routines >_>
[16:55] <fsphil> all it ever does is increase TCNT1, or clear it
[16:55] <AndyEsser> Ben-AstroSoc: don't do lots of computation etc in them
[16:55] <AndyEsser> but simply setting an output pin to 1/0 is fine
[16:55] <fsphil> good advice generally, but RTTY is very light weight code
[16:55] <daveake> correct, but rtty sending is fine
[16:56] <Ben-AstroSoc> Right, ok
[16:56] <AndyEsser> SetPin(1/0); Increment Counter;
[16:56] <AndyEsser> done :)
[16:56] <fsphil> don't do any string manipulation work in it
[16:56] <fsphil> but the rtty logic is all good
[16:56] <daveake> yeah memcpy malloc etc are banned :)
[16:56] <fsphil> strlen( is banned too
[16:56] <daveake> yup
[16:56] <Ben-AstroSoc> Will have another look at home, maybe this timer stuff is why it's not working
[16:57] <fsphil> it's a good bet :)
[16:57] <AndyEsser> Anything to do with strings is banned ;)
[16:57] <fsphil> yes
[16:57] <fsphil> just look for a character that says 0x00, and you know you're done
[16:57] <daveake> yeah just use a char* into your tx buffer
[16:57] <daveake> wfs
[16:58] <fsphil> pointers are great for this if used correctly
[16:58] <AndyEsser> hehe
[16:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> Half of this goes over my C head :')
[16:59] <Ben-AstroSoc> Will have another look later
[16:59] <fsphil> this is a good way of learning
[17:00] <AndyEsser> ^
[17:00] <Vaizki> it's a trap!
[17:01] <AndyEsser> pointers are the rope you can use to haul heavy loads, or hang yourself with
[17:01] <AndyEsser> use with caution until fully understood :)
[17:01] <AndyEsser> anyway, home time!
[17:01] <AndyEsser> catch y'all tomorrow
[17:01] <Vaizki> use in a padded room to learn
[17:02] <daveake> or a padded buffer
[17:02] <fsphil> circular buffer. there is no escape
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[17:05] <Vaizki> you're never cornered with one
[17:06] <Vaizki> I will now go have a beer with the 63GHz scope
[17:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
[17:09] <fsphil> don't get too close. it'll just wave goodbye
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[17:35] <Ben-AstroSoc> Tempted to blow part of my student loan on one of those PSU/signal generator/oscilloscope units you can plug into your computer
[17:36] <mattbrejza> first step is to get friendly if the lab techs and see if theres any equipment likely to be thrown out soon
[17:36] <mattbrejza> thats how i got my psu
[17:39] <Ben-AstroSoc> I got an old oscilloscope off them but it's not even digital
[17:39] <Rebounder> it's a start :)
[17:40] <Ben-AstroSoc> We're still using analogue supplies in our society lab room
[17:42] <mattbrejza> analgoue supplies are fine, rarely you want to program a precise value
[17:42] <edmoore> I would def recommend standalone scopes and electronics equip over pc stuff
[17:43] <edmoore> Strongly so
[17:44] <edmoore> If you want to spend monies on a scopre the rigol 1054Z is by far the best scope for the money. Its price is amazing for what you get.
[17:45] <Miek> i agree for scope and such, a pc-based logic analyser is good though
[17:47] <edmoore> Yes
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[18:14] <fsphil> yeah it's handy being able to export the decoded data
[18:14] <fsphil> for quickly checking things though the rigol is amazing
[18:15] <fsphil> I wish the old one had the logic stuff
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[18:37] <Vaizki> hacked 1054z is a nobrainer if going for a new scope
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[19:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://uk.farnell.com/picoscope-flexible-res-scopes was trying to find the scope i was shown a few weeks back ( i know it's not one of these as they're £££££) :')
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[19:37] <Ben-AstroSoc> set up at home and the signal is reaaaaally noisy
[19:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03160000.0302.002_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=160000.0302.002_chase
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[19:52] <Ben-AstroSoc> usbasp driver doesn't install on windows 10 zzzzz
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[19:55] <mattbrejza> it can be installed
[19:55] <mattbrejza> probably requires driver safe mode tohugh
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[19:55] <Ben-AstroSoc> i did the disable procedure for my laptop (8.1) and it worked fine
[19:56] <Ben-AstroSoc> doesn't for W10 tho
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[20:00] <mattbrejza> usbasp is on all the win10 lab machines here so its possible
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[20:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'll try it gaain
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[20:05] <Ben-AstroSoc> Nope, still blocks it
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[20:10] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: Microsoft Pegasus II balloon launch can be followed by anyone with a smartphone https://t.co/v2McJhZcwJ #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas #IoT
[20:12] <edmoore> poor james
[20:12] <daveake> " 50-person launch team"
[20:12] <fsphil> Launch in -291503623 seconds
[20:13] <daveake> lol
[20:13] <daveake> "time till landing ... 5 minutes ... 20 minutes ... 2 seconds .... -99191919 hours ... crash"
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[20:14] <fsphil> $$mspegasus,124256,installingupdate,10,of,215
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[20:14] <daveake> dammit was just doing that joke :)
[20:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> Ben-AstroSoc: have to rebot with shift pressed in win10 to boot into non signature driver mode
[20:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> guess you allready googled this up http://www.howtogeek.com/167723/how-to-disable-driver-signature-verification-on-64-bit-windows-8.1-so-that-you-can-install-unsigned-drivers/
[20:16] <fsphil> still loved the kernel errors over rtty you had daveake
[20:16] <daveake> hah yeah
[20:16] <daveake> SD card came loose
[20:17] <daveake> Imaging stopped but the tracker program gamely continued
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[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> interestnig
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> *interesting
[20:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> SA6BSS-Mike: I've done that 3 times, still blocked it
[20:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> I installed mine usbasp last week, u want me to rar it up if u want to try my driver??
[20:19] <Ben-AstroSoc> if you could, i'll try it
[20:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> it worked fine on my 8.1 laptop earlier today
[20:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok one sek
[20:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/USBasp.rar
[20:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> in the rar there is a folder win 10 usb asp driver
[20:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont remember wich driver I used
[20:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> lemme give it a go
[20:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> no luck
[20:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> u saw there is two drivers?
[20:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> yep, tried both
[20:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> oki
[20:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> well wotgh a try anyway
[20:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> this isn't worth the blood pressure imma buy one of the proper ones off amazon
[20:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> hehe
[20:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> tried another usb port I gues?
[20:24] <Ben-AstroSoc> lemme try
[20:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> nope
[20:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> oki
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[20:29] <Ben-AstroSoc> tried to zadig it, it reckoned it installed the driver properly, avrdude said otherwise
[20:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> he, wa just about to post this :) http://rayshobby.net/dead-simple-driver-installation-for-usbasp-and-usbtiny-on-windows/
[20:30] <Ben-AstroSoc> ...
[20:30] <Ben-AstroSoc> i worked
[20:30] <Ben-AstroSoc> i owe you a pint
[20:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
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[20:31] <Ben-AstroSoc> why the hell wasn't that hgiher up on google
[20:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI434 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI434
[20:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> that link is going in the bookmarks
[20:33] <SA6BSS-Mike> had a fight with the comp a couple a weeks ago just to set up a siomple smb share, I was going crazy, I could share from c: but not from the external hdd
[20:34] <fsphil> there was a time when hardware was easier to setup on windows
[20:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> I had to regedit it http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/how-to-share-a-usb-external-hard-drive-on-a-home-network-246730/
[20:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> back in the flobby disc ages :)
[20:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> *floppy
[20:44] <Ben-AstroSoc> I'm just about old enough that my first computer was a powermac
[20:47] <fsphil> I don't want to one-up you because it'll start a thread I can't win ;)
[20:47] <Ben-AstroSoc> I'm 20, I can't win the old computer-off :')
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[20:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f0gra_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f0gra_chase
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[21:01] <fsphil> I hope that callsign is a pun
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[22:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
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[23:35] <Ben-AstroSoc> made the mistake of queueing up 4GB of video processing
[23:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> that's not gonna finish tonight
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[23:47] <fsphil> 4GB isn't too bad if that's uncompressed :)
[23:47] <Ben-AstroSoc> it's ~8 ~30s clips of jupiter
[23:47] <Ben-AstroSoc> converting it all to .AVI for processing
[23:47] <fsphil> ah ha
[23:47] <fsphil> yeah good night for it
[23:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> yep, did a mosaic of the moon too
[23:48] <fsphil> I've only tried single shots of the planets so far, never tried the video method
[23:49] <Ben-AstroSoc> my single shot planetary pictures always came out terribly
[23:49] <Ben-AstroSoc> need to invest in a better barlow lens
[23:49] <fsphil> yeah they're always very small in my frame
[23:49] <Ben-AstroSoc> we'v eonly got a x2 at the moment
[23:51] <fsphil> do you know of any good mounts I can put my canon on that will track the stars?
[23:51] <fsphil> it seems like something that should be simple but the only one I found was crazy money
[23:52] <Ben-AstroSoc> i was going to suggest an equatorial wedge bu that's proabbly not what you want
[23:52] <Ben-AstroSoc> the electronic ones tend to be hella expensive
[23:53] <Ben-AstroSoc> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6xtremoh2x74xpi/Moon_23022016.png?dl=0 when it uploads to my dropbox
[23:53] <fsphil> could be a nice project for 3d printing
[23:53] <Ben-AstroSoc> most of them seem to be £200 ish
[23:53] <Ben-AstroSoc> i've seen someone make one with arduino though
[23:53] <Ben-AstroSoc> don't know how accurate it was
[23:54] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-star-tracker-for-your-DSLR-and-make-your-o/ most tend to be scotch mounts
[23:55] <Ben-AstroSoc> they don't track per se just follow the rotation
[23:56] <fsphil> hah, that's very bodgy
[23:56] <Ben-AstroSoc> dropbox file has uploaded
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