highaltitude.log.20160220

[00:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JE6RHS-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JE6RHS-11
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[00:33] <Ben-AstroSoc> gute N8 o.
[00:33] <Ben-AstroSoc> o/
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[02:05] <Laurenceb_> https://www.instagram.com/p/BB-u40nl8XL/
[02:05] <Laurenceb_> lol secret control hardware
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[03:55] <Evidlo> So I've been testing this VHF module I bought. Is it normal for them to get really hot while transmitting?
[03:55] <Evidlo> Are they supposed to be pulsed?
[03:56] <Evidlo> I guess it should be normal. It's drawing close to what the datasheet said it would draw. (a little over the max rating)
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[04:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[05:49] <fl_0> mornin
[05:49] <fl_0> DL0CRE-11 flight for today canceled :-(
[05:49] <fl_0> strong winds and rain here :-(((
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[07:45] <daveake> Evidlo Do you have the proper antenna attached ?
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[07:59] <Evidlo> daveake, it calls for a 50ohm antenna. I read that a ~15cm piece of wire is correct for 433mhz
[07:59] <daveake> 433MHz is not VHF
[08:01] <Evidlo> OK the module is vhf and uhf then
[08:01] <mfa298> what module are you using
[08:02] <Evidlo> DRA818V
[08:03] <mfa298> that says it's vhf so you'll want a bigger antenna as daveake says
[08:04] <mfa298> datasheet says 134-174 which is vhf not uhf
[08:05] <Evidlo> I know for a fact that I'm transmitting at 433Mhz. I have a receiver tuned to that frequency
[08:05] <mfa298> it's possible you're getting a harmonic and there's a much stronger signal in the 134-174 range
[08:05] <daveake> Indeed
[08:06] <daveake> Even with the correct aerial, those modules are going to get warm if used continuously
[08:06] <Evidlo> There is also a UHF version
[08:07] <daveake> Yes but the model you told us you have is the VHF one
[08:07] <mfa298> the UHF version isn't the DRA818V though, so somewhere something is wrong
[08:07] <Evidlo> It gets too hot to touch if you were to let it run (no heatsinking)
[08:08] <daveake> Max current 750mA @ 5V, which is 3.75W, so yeah it'll get warm
[08:08] <Evidlo> I'll check the model tomorrow
[08:09] <daveake> What is this for ?
[08:09] <Evidlo> I'm curious how long it takes to switch from RX to TX, so I can do pulsed transmissions
[08:09] <Evidlo> Balloon
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[08:09] <daveake> Yes, I mean will you be transmitting APRS or what ?
[08:09] <mfa298> and it lists output power of up to 31dBm which I think is getting on for 1W RF power,
[08:10] <daveake> 30 = 1W iirc
[08:10] <Evidlo> .5 and 1W tx modes
[08:11] <mfa298> I was working up from 26db<unit> being 400<unit>
[08:11] <mfa298> seeing as lots of the British in here should know that case where unit=W
[08:11] <Evidlo> Also I'm not using aprs. It's custom
[08:13] <mfa298> It looks like that module is designed for voice transmitters so probably expecting ~50% duty cycle at most
[08:16] <Evidlo> On the ptt button you mean?
[08:16] <daveake> duty cycle = % of time transmitting
[08:17] <mfa298> i.e. at most you should be transmitting no more than you're listening (otherwise it's a very one sided conversation)
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[08:24] <daveake> And the answer to your question is in the datasheet:
[08:24] <daveake> T_SW Tx/Rx switching time 20 mS
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[08:39] <DL1SGP> good morning everyone
[08:41] <R34lB0rg> good morning people
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[08:54] <fsphil> lies. I just looked outside and it's horrible :p
[08:57] <DL1SGP> seems like the german launch is in ISH timezone :)
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[09:00] <fsphil> "fl_0 | DL0CRE-11 flight for today canceled :-(" -- bad weather
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[09:01] <DL1SGP> sighs
[09:01] <DL1SGP> thanks fsphil
[09:02] <DL1SGP> shuts down HAB tracking equipment
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[09:48] <fl_0> re
[09:48] <fl_0> DL1SGP: sorry, we had to cancel
[09:48] <fl_0> but weather was too bad :(
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[09:55] <Rebounder> fl_0: you have any upcoming windows?
[09:56] <DL1SGP> no worries fl_0
[09:56] <fl_0> Rebounder: not yet
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[10:25] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, here is a the driver code I needed for the si7021, was an easy one: http://paste.ofcode.org/NJMwqbeR9rty47WGATyzg3
[10:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> doesn't look too hard
[10:26] <R34lB0rg> Ben-AstroSoc, it's perl (for rpi) but maybe easier to understand than the arduino samples you find
[10:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> gotcha
[10:27] <R34lB0rg> most complex so far was the bmp085
[10:28] <R34lB0rg> i've done MPU6050, SI7021, HMC5883L, BMP085 so far - just let me know if you want my code
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[10:29] <Ben-AstroSoc> will do, thanks :)
[10:30] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:30] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
[10:31] <mfa298> that can't be proper perl code, it's readable :p
[10:32] <DL1SGP> pb0ahx: the flight for today was canceled due to bad weather
[10:32] <R34lB0rg> mfa298, that's how I code in perl :)
[10:36] <mfa298> I do like perl when it's readable :)
[10:38] <R34lB0rg> I can also volunteer code that currently shows your own location, planes (fed by decode1090) and satellites on a cached openstreetmap on a raspi with display
[10:39] <R34lB0rg> would be easy to feed tracking data
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[10:51] <R34lB0rg> how do you like http://home.hostmaster.org/position
[10:52] <R34lB0rg> http://home.hostmaster.org/pressure
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[10:54] <Rebounder> R34lB0rg: what moduels do you use for drawing?
[10:55] <R34lB0rg> use GD::Graph::lines;
[10:55] <Rebounder> ah
[10:55] <R34lB0rg> http://home.hostmaster.org/adsb?zoom=3
[10:57] <R34lB0rg> satellites are live from current tle data
[10:57] <Rebounder> R34lB0rg: tip, use a fixed with font for much more readability of the numbers
[10:57] <R34lB0rg> big circle where the satellite is, small circle where it will be in a minute
[10:57] <Rebounder> s/with/width
[10:58] <R34lB0rg> I have not decided on a font, easy enough to replace a ttf file
[10:58] <Rebounder> R34lB0rg: nice anyway, are doing a similar thing for sime stuff here. rasterpiccy with text intop
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DM3FB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DM3FB
[10:59] <R34lB0rg> I can pre-cache the osm tiles for an area, plug in a usb gps and have a offline-map on the go
[11:00] <R34lB0rg> next thing I want to add gyro, accel and compass data to make an artificial horizon
[11:00] <R34lB0rg> Rebounder, if you like perl you are welcome to get the code
[11:02] <Rebounder> R34lB0rg: bash and perl are my ususal tools. trying out a bit with python also.. a bit more readable code usually
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[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[11:04] <Rebounder> R34lB0rg: what data are displayed on the adsb-pic?
[11:05] <R34lB0rg> Rebounder, larry wall was a linguist; I found that perl allows me to express exactly what I mean
[11:05] <R34lB0rg> satellite positions, altitude heading and velocities calculated from celestrack tle data
[11:07] <R34lB0rg> I especially like http://home.hostmaster.org/position
[11:07] <R34lB0rg> how many people are aware of the velocity at which they are circling around the axis of this planet
[11:08] <R34lB0rg> and the gravitational and centrifugal forces we are exposed to
[11:09] <R34lB0rg> if I fake position data from iss you would see gravity go to = 0
[11:15] <R34lB0rg> sorry if I am talking too much
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[11:16] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TSR2-Aircraft-Bristol-Siddeley-Olympus-320-Jet-Engine-TSR-2-/131452123119?hash=item1e9b2837ef:g:4tYAAOSwv0tU~vxF
[11:16] <SpeedEvil> Insane
[11:17] <Ben-AstroSoc> TIL people sell full size jet engines on ebay
[11:17] <Ben-AstroSoc> do you think parcelforce deliver
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> Full-sized supersonic engines
[11:18] <edmoore> i have bought a jet engine b4
[11:18] <edmoore> full size
[11:18] <edmoore> and got it running (with some others)
[11:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> i have a couple of mini ones
[11:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> for turbine helis
[11:19] <edmoore> i even can claim to have redesigned the ignition system on the viper engine to be a much better edmoore ltd viper ignition system
[11:19] <edmoore> way more reliabkle
[11:19] <edmoore> unlike my typing
[11:19] <Ben-AstroSoc> i toyed with the idea of making a turbine quad at one point
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[11:20] <edmoore> is the dynamic response of a turbine up to it?
[11:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> didn't have £1500 to spend on engines
[11:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> depends, some of hte smaller ones are pretty good
[11:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> was looking at some form of thrust vectoring if it wasn't
[11:21] <edmoore> yeah
[11:21] <edmoore> that'd be my gut instinct
[11:21] <edmoore> firefly stylee
[11:21] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://www.wrenpowersystems.com/ these guys make pretty responsive ones
[11:21] <edmoore> i inow themn
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> Variable pitch engines work just fine
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> err
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> rotors
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[11:21] <edmoore> still have the mw54 build-it-yourself parts and drawings
[11:21] <edmoore> never finished it
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> and are ideal for jet engines
[11:22] <SpeedEvil> spooling up/down doesn't really scale very well for large rotors
[11:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah
[11:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> it was all part of some stupid project i had to launch a rocket from a quad
[11:22] <Ben-AstroSoc> seeing as i stil have a bunch of spare estes motors going
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[11:23] <edmoore> i believe you fit in well here Ben-AstroSoc
[11:23] <Ben-AstroSoc> aha
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6NVB-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[12:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-12 after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-12
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[12:55] <LunarMobile> Hello
[12:56] <DL1SGP> hello LunarMobile
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[13:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5TDW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5TDW_chase
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[13:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL3AKB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL3AKB-11
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[14:44] <sp9rqa> Badnie idzie, musiaBem w.cz skrci w radiu ;-)
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[15:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[16:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0TUI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0TUI-11
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[16:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KA7NSR-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KA7NSR-7
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[16:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KA7NSR-6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KA7NSR-6
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[18:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6UWV-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6UWV-11
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[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SK6UWV-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SK6UWV-11
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[19:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK65WZ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK65WZ-11
[19:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6UWV-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6UWV-11
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[19:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[19:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> lz1dev: any friends in LZ with receiver :) ?
[20:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK5UWV-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK5UWV-11
[20:05] <lz1dev> LZ is not very big on balloon tracking, you can try their forum
[20:05] <lz1dev> aren't you doing aprs too?
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[20:06] <lz1dev> there are couple of nice igates on top of tall mountains
[20:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> lz1dev: yes im also doing APRS :-)
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[21:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0EWJ - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0EWJ
[21:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3YT-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3YT-12
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[22:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PS-61 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-61
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[22:29] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=36326.0,3Battach=1100430,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.4B7WEaX2Gz.jpg
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[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL1ISB_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1ISB_chase
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