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[04:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[10:39] <R34lB0rg> R.I.P. PS-58
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[11:48] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: #AmateurRadio 145.8 #APRS balloon heading for Europe https://t.co/9KrjQrtrFF
[11:48] <tweetBot> #hamradio #hamr #ukhas Forecast Track: https://t.co/fwAmtdzmSU
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[13:38] <tweetBot> @DavidGalvin9: @FeckOffCup https://t.co/BMCrF4Uj9T
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[13:48] <craag> wat tweetBot ?
[13:48] <daveake> confusedBot
[13:48] <craag> eh, weird
[13:48] <craag> tis twitter's filtered feed though
[13:48] <AndyEsser> it's a RT of the AMSAT tweet
[13:49] <craag> mm, shouldn't have come through though
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[13:49] <craag> It's set to ignore retweets
[13:49] <daveake> We used to get retweets, then one day something I did caused a bit of retweet-spam, and the logic got changed :)
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[13:49] <craag> heh yes :)
[13:49] <AndyEsser> haha
[13:50] <eroomde> it used to announce (will, griffonbot did) when there wasa mailng list email
[13:50] <eroomde> which was quite a good feature, i thought
[13:50] <craag> That would be rather good
[13:50] <daveake> That'd need a filter too
[13:50] <craag> lol
[13:50] <daveake> I'm not saying what :p
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[14:30] <j0nnymac> yo!
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[14:38] <craag> Hmm random group of people to ban
[14:39] <craag> ah looks like someone banned everyone using the web interface lol
[14:39] <R34lB0rg> seems someone banned the webchat
[14:47] <AndyEsser> looks like winds finally starting to shift in my favour for a launch
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[14:54] Nick change: Guest49636 -> G0PAi_Ian
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[15:01] <G0PAi_Ian> Not quite sure how that happened but someone was messing with us
[15:06] <craag> Looks like an admin somewhere typoed a ban command and banned all webchat users G0PAi_Ian
[15:07] <G0PAi_Ian> I guess that you use a separate client?
[15:07] <craag> irssi - the one true client
[15:08] <craag> (linux console client ;) )
[15:08] <AndyEsser> ^
[15:08] <AndyEsser> irssi in a screen
[15:08] <craag> there's also YChat for windows gui
[15:08] <craag> XChat for linux gui
[15:08] <craag> etc
[15:11] <G0PAi_Ian> Ha ha, I guess that I'm just a webchat user. I wonder how long until the registered username gets unbanned?
[15:11] <G0PAi_Ian> I will have to consider a linux client, after an OS upgrade
[15:13] <craag> Hopefull they'll realise their mistake soon and undo it
[15:13] <eroomde> i think people use weechat over irssi nowadays
[15:13] <craag> heathen
[15:13] <Miek> <3 weechat
[15:14] <eroomde> weechat in tmux instead of irssi in screen
[15:14] <Miek> i still haven't switched to tmux though
[15:14] <eroomde> no me neither
[15:14] <eroomde> well actually i have been using it a bit recently
[15:15] <eroomde> for vim+ipython
[15:24] <daey> tmux is great!
[15:25] <daey> never worked with screen though, so i cant say what is better
[15:25] <eroomde> they're basically indistinguishable as a nohup substitute
[15:25] <eroomde> but if you want to sort of fling text between buffers on split terminals and so on, i think tmux makes that all a little easier
[15:25] <daey> well there has to be a reason why they both exist
[15:26] <eroomde> i might try irccloud tho re: earlier convo
[15:26] <eroomde> upu seems to like it
[15:26] <eroomde> and i believe russss works(s/s/ed/) on it
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[15:26] <russss> I still work on it, part time
[15:27] <eroomde> i think i might give it a go
[15:28] <eroomde> the royal festival hall, where i sometimes work if i have a london meeting that makes it worth being in london for the whole day (but should still work) blocks port 22 on its wifi
[15:28] <eroomde> so i can't log in to a remote server for irc anyway
[15:28] <AndyEsser> have sshd running on port 80 as well
[15:28] <AndyEsser> :)
[15:29] <kokey> I used to have sshd running on port 443 somewhere
[15:29] <kokey> many companies have a transparent proxy in place for port 80 (and 443)
[15:30] <kokey> but you usually have to use a CONNECT proxy for SSL/https
[15:30] <eroomde> maybes but not my machine
[15:30] <kokey> and a CONNECT proxy works fine for SSH too
[15:30] <craag> School networks are fun - was dealing with one for ARISS the other week that filtered HTTP and whitelisted HTTPS domains
[15:31] <kokey> I had to do that to break out of the network while working for a bank
[15:31] <eroomde> at that point you just get satellite internet i think
[15:32] <AndyEsser> I snuck one of my own AWS IPs into a list of our game servers on AWS that I gave sysadmins at my last job so I could get ssh access
[15:32] <eroomde> or the thing they used to do at EARS which was put a 3G usb modem in the focus of a 60cm dish and point it at a known cell tower about 2 miles away
[15:32] <craag> It also did some weird foo where it tried to resolve HTTP hostnames, then reverse-lookup to check they weren't blacklisted
[15:33] <craag> Which hung their firewall when I used a subdomain pointing to a local (private) IP
[15:33] <craag> :P
[15:34] <craag> next ARISS school contact tomorrow evening 1809 UTC btw
[15:35] <craag> Should have dvb-s downlink too :D
[15:35] <fsphil> ah sweet
[15:39] <daey> you must be the first person that i see that gets excited about using dvb-s :D
[15:39] <daey> everyone else shudders
[15:40] <craag> urggh the mpeg2 encoder up there is awful
[15:40] <craag> in sooo many ways
[15:40] <daey> why is there an mpeg2 encoder up there?
[15:40] <craag> but it's live dvb-s from the iss, receiving with our own receiver :)
[15:40] <craag> in the HAMTV DVB-S transmitter
[15:41] <AndyEsser> daey: to encode mpeg2?
[15:41] <daey> urg i didnt mean dvb-s. i meant "sat internet"
[15:41] <fsphil> AndyEsser: boom
[15:41] <daey> AndyEsser: i thought the sat is just a relay that takes the encoded stream and forwards it
[15:41] <R34lB0rg> they have a raspi on iss now - could use it for encoding
[15:41] <fsphil> the video is being generated at the ISS, not being relayed by it
[15:41] <AndyEsser> daey: the ISS isn't a sat... and they generate the stream there... so need to encode it
[15:41] <craag> R34lB0rg: Things are in motion...
[15:42] <AndyEsser> (yes, I know _technically_ the ISS is an artifical satellite)
[15:42] <eroomde> orbital motion
[15:42] <fsphil> unless it's all being filmed on a sound stage in birmingham
[15:42] <daey> AndyEsser: ahh. i thought you were talking about dvb-s satelite tv :x
[15:42] <craag> sssh fsphil
[15:42] <AndyEsser> fsphil: nah, Pinewood Studios
[15:43] <fsphil> mpeg in general is quite awful
[15:44] <R34lB0rg> "experts" at work
[15:44] <fsphil> hah
[15:44] <kokey> why not animated gifs over rtty?
[15:44] <fsphil> we did that once kokey
[15:44] <craag> kokey: It's been done ;)
[15:45] <kokey> what?
[15:45] <kokey> 16x16 resolution? ;-)
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[15:45] <fsphil> not much more
[15:45] <fsphil> I'll see if I can dig it out
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[15:45] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-26--14-56-05-ELATED-520.gif
[15:46] <AndyEsser> I'm so elated
[15:46] <fsphil> the timing was off, so we didn't see the bear being dropped
[15:46] <AndyEsser> o look... a teddy bear
[15:46] <AndyEsser> eroomde must love it
[15:46] <fsphil> it's ok if it's disposed of during flight
[15:46] <kokey> fsphil: oh, one of the rpi launches
[15:47] <AndyEsser> fsphil: heh
[15:47] <fsphil> this was one of daveake's
[15:47] <fsphil> it was still sending that video when it landed
[15:48] <kokey> oh, I suppose the price of arduino friendly cameras must have come down plenty
[15:48] <fsphil> not really
[15:48] <fsphil> though I haven't looked in a whlie
[15:48] <craag> That with his new super-868 might work well
[15:48] <daveake> hah yes, should do that again but with lora, and with that python camera library
[15:48] <fsphil> yeah
[15:48] <fsphil> intra-frames too
[15:48] <kokey> I think they used to be like 30GBP a pop
[15:48] <kokey> now more like 10GBP if you're lucky
[15:49] <fsphil> £40 last I looked. it was cheaper to get a pi+cam
[15:49] <fsphil> and that had better image quality
[15:49] <kokey> yeah the quality of those ovo cams aren't great
[15:49] <fsphil> the pi cis an OV
[15:49] <fsphil> er
[15:50] <fsphil> the picam is an OV* of some description
[15:51] <craag> I use OVs at work - recent ones are good
[15:51] <fsphil> OV5647
[15:51] <craag> OV themselves are errr... not so good.
[15:51] <fsphil> yeah
[15:51] <fsphil> documentation is awful
[15:51] <fsphil> if it exists
[15:51] <kokey> ah, yeah just saw a OV5647 based one for a tenner
[15:52] <AndyEsser> looking forward to my first flight with a camera
[15:52] <AndyEsser> but... 2nd system
[15:52] <AndyEsser> ;)
[15:53] <kokey> that said would be a pita to make it work with an arduino as is
[15:53] <fsphil> ooh stick a disposable on there AndyEsser :)
[15:53] <fsphil> the avr is fine if the jpeg parts are done by the camera
[15:53] <kokey> I'm wondering about a camera that could be used with a pico
[15:53] <AndyEsser> was going to use a £60-70 Sony Cybershot type thing mounted on the bottom in a clear plastic dome
[15:53] <fsphil> and you can stream it out at a slow rate
[15:53] <AndyEsser> fsphil: was going to transmit the images - just save it to sd card in the camera
[15:54] <AndyEsser> wasn't*
[15:54] <fsphil> ah, thought you meant you where not flying a camera at all
[15:54] <AndyEsser> o right
[15:54] <AndyEsser> on my 1st one
[15:54] <kokey> ov7670 i2c based ones are about a tenner
[15:54] <AndyEsser> no I'm not
[15:54] <daveake> Who needs a camera? Just pre-load some previous shots onto a memory card :p
[15:54] <daveake> We all know what it looks like up there :)
[15:54] <AndyEsser> haha
[15:54] <fsphil> "The sky is dark, the ground is cloud."
[15:54] <kokey> just photoshop out the teddy bear
[15:55] <AndyEsser> the planet is flat
[15:55] <craag> s/flat/concave/
[15:55] <craag> </gopro>
[15:55] <daveake> concave, according to gppro
[15:55] <fsphil> lol
[15:55] <daveake> snap
[15:55] <AndyEsser> gppro/gopro?
[15:55] <daveake> yes
[15:55] <fsphil> kokey: the i2c bus is only used to configure the camera
[15:56] <AndyEsser> daveake: able to elaborate?
[15:57] <daveake> lens distortion of gopro >> actual curvature of the earth
[15:57] <AndyEsser> aaaah
[15:57] <AndyEsser> thank you
[15:58] <fsphil> http://images.techtimes.com/data/images/full/135390/gopro-hero3.jpg
[15:58] <fsphil> warping space
[15:58] <AndyEsser> lol
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[16:01] <fsphil> the curve isn't too much at 30km. enough that I think you'd see it if you where up there
[16:02] <kokey> fsphil: ah yeah I see mostly some kind of 8 pin fifo
[16:02] <AndyEsser> I'm aiming for somewhere between 30km and 40km for my 2nd system
[16:02] <fsphil> kokey: yeah it just dumps the image data out as fast as it can
[16:02] <AndyEsser> hoping for higher :)
[16:03] <FuzzyLemon> hello! please can you approve this payload doc: c29100b267679df948545c35f4084e10
[16:06] <FuzzyLemon> do i need to go to #habhub
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[16:12] <MikeUoN> yeah if you go to #habhub and paste your code in, it should automatically do stuff
[16:18] <AndyEsser> does someone have a link to a photo of their tracker PCB? (preferably with a silkscreen/text/logo layer)
[16:26] <mattbrejza> https://twitter.com/SUSpaceflight/status/525220098345566208
[16:26] <mattbrejza> https://twitter.com/SUSpaceflight/status/516932061920497664
[16:27] <AndyEsser> ta muchly
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[16:29] <mattbrejza> are you prettying up your board?
[16:29] <AndyEsser> nah, someone was asking what a PCB was for my project
[16:30] <AndyEsser> so wanted an example of a tracker
[16:31] <chris_99> those your PCBs mattbrejza?
[16:31] <mattbrejza> yep
[16:31] <kc2pit> Those are HopeRF patterns, aren't they? I've been wondering how terrible the thermal frequency drift gets on those.
[16:31] <chris_99> cool :) what did you design them in
[16:31] <AndyEsser> MS Paint
[16:31] <chris_99> haha
[16:31] <mattbrejza> oh right, perhaps pics of assembled ones would be more useful.. :P
[16:31] <mattbrejza> eagle
[16:32] <mattbrejza> although ive been meaning to try drawing a board by hand and scanning it in at some point
[16:32] <AndyEsser> why....
[16:32] <AndyEsser> ?
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[16:32] <mattbrejza> to make it look old school
[16:32] <AndyEsser> ah ok
[16:32] <mattbrejza> nice flowing traces
[16:34] <chris_99> i'm just learning how to use kicad at the mo', i used to use eagle, but i'm not sure if eagle has a scripting interface, i just made a little script that places pads for me automagically
[16:34] <chris_99> oh apparently you can use python with eagle too
[16:38] <mattbrejza> if youre starting from zero, then perhaps kicad is a better choice, seeing kicad is always improving
[16:38] <mattbrejza> eagle hasnt changed since 2009
[16:38] <mattbrejza> or whenever
[16:38] <AndyEsser> I need to get familiar with Kicad
[16:38] <AndyEsser> really need to start work on my tracker circuit design and PCB design
[16:39] <MikeUoN> I've heard some good things about the newest version of kicad
[16:40] <chris_99> i'm finding it quite nice, and i like the 3D pcb view which i'd not seen before
[16:41] <MikeUoN> yeah, it's annoying having to render a view each time you want something in eagle
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[17:55] <Avi> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aiwww53ikkr0l1x/mobius%20on%20string.jpg?dl=0
[17:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W5BTR-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5BTR-11
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[18:00] <MikeUoN> Nice picture Avi :)
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[18:02] <Avi> much better thyan my 'other' planned method of attaching it to a string O_O, dont even ask
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[18:03] <MikeUoN> Is it a tracker?
[18:03] <Avi> no, just a ground tethered, for photography
[18:03] <MikeUoN> ah ok, cool stuff!
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[18:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> nice the tweted tracker W5BTR-11 from oklahoma US is outside spain
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[18:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> still at 5500m, thats a low alt for crossing atlantic
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:26] <russss> http://imgur.com/a/9JDxg
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[18:32] <russss> nice video for that too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX45Qae1xCE
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[18:38] <fsphil> rather nice video editing
[18:41] <Avi> ^
[18:41] <russss> it's impressive that they managed to get a NOTAM for a balloon launch right in the middle of the approach path to a major airport in the middle of the day, but the US seems to have a pretty laid back attitude to this stuff
[18:41] <Avi> wish i could do that
[18:47] <MikeUoN> thats cool
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[19:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> oh oh W5BTR-11 goinf down
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[19:26] <Mark_B> good evening
[19:26] <Mark_B> I'm just going to send a few sentences to spacenear for testing UON1b
[19:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UON1b - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UON1b
[19:34] <Mark_B> test carried out - satis
[19:34] <Mark_B> Thanks
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[19:35] <SM0ULC-Reb> Evevning!
[19:36] <Mark_B> Good night :0
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[19:36] <Mark_B> ;)
[19:36] <Avi> but its morning
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[19:36] <Avi> but im going to bed now anyway!
[19:36] <Avi> bye
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[20:05] <Ben-AstroSoc> gps and radio showing up tomorrow :)
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:05] <Ben-AstroSoc> need to work out what components i need for the aerials next
[20:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yours looking good for Friday ? Lunar_Lander
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[20:07] <Mark_B> Hi again
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> looks like we can meet the initial idea to get close to 30 km
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> 29 km for instance looks good
[20:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sounds hopeful then!
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[20:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Pirror_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Pirror_chase
[20:10] <Mark_B> Is there a way to get directly to #habhub to get flight docs approved, without coming here first asking for links?
[20:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> just type "/j #habhub"
[20:11] <MikeUoN> When you arrive on the welcome page, set channel to #habhub instead of #highaltitude
[20:11] <Mark_B> Thanks fellas
[20:13] <Ben-AstroSoc> i'm stupid, just spent half an hour trying to work out PWM code then realised we built a resistor network so we wouldn't have to use PWM code
[20:13] <fsphil> lol
[20:13] <Ben-AstroSoc> -__-
[20:14] <Ben-AstroSoc> *deletes 20 odd lines*
[20:14] <fsphil> the resistors make things so much easier
[20:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah
[20:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> one of my friends wrote a python script to find the exact standard values we needed
[20:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> saved a lot of math
[20:22] <fsphil> I just plugged in different resistors until it was about right
[20:23] <mattbrejza> not that much maths.. https://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:ntx2_eqn.gif
[20:24] <mattbrejza> hmm that needs some more \mathrm{}
[20:24] <Ben-AstroSoc> sure, but we did even less xD
[20:24] <Ben-AstroSoc> doesit have to be really really close to 425Hz shift or more 400 ish
[20:25] <mattbrejza> at 50 baud doesnt really matter
[20:25] <fsphil> just set the shift in the flight doc, the autoconf in fldigi should do the right thing
[20:25] <mattbrejza> proper answer is that teh shift should be a multiple of the baud rate o that the carriers are orthognal
[20:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> will do. not got round to setting up the server side stuff yet
[20:25] <mattbrejza> but at large multiples of the baud it doesnt matter
[20:26] <mattbrejza> but it does mean that at 300 baud you should have 300 or 600Hz shift for best results
[20:26] <Ben-AstroSoc> so 50baud - ~400/450Hzshift is what we want to aim for
[20:27] <mattbrejza> if you feel like being exact yea
[20:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> i mean, might as well
[20:27] <Ben-AstroSoc> we have it set for 425H at themoment so i ugess if that works
[20:29] <Ian_> 850Hz, 425Hz and even 170Hz tone shifts were standard pre-orthagonal thought values :) legacy/history
[20:30] <Ben-AstroSoc> i wonder if my comms systmes module will cover this
[20:30] <mattbrejza> you might find 425 is more convient cos its a default though
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[21:24] <Mark_B> cheerio
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[23:18] <nichughes> hi - Can anyone help me get an on going prediction for a site. I've used one that had been set up but never tried to get one for myself Thanks.
[23:26] <daveake> The admin guys hang out in #habhub so I'd join there to ask
[23:28] <daveake> It's called an "hourly" and they'll need the lat/long for the location, and a name for it
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