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[09:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[10:17] <Vaizki> morning & afternoon
[10:17] <AndyEsser> o/
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[10:24] <fsphil> happy not monday
[10:24] <daveake> woohoo
[10:24] <AndyEsser> I'm grumpy, tired and in need of food :(
[10:24] <fsphil> I think by law you have to eat pancakes today
[10:25] <daveake> yeah but who gives a toss?
[10:25] <fsphil> that fell flat
[10:36] <AndyEsser> *faceesk*
[10:36] <gonzo_> I don't give a flip
[10:36] <AndyEsser> I'm making pancakes tonight, will be my gf's daughters first pancake day... so need to make sure I don't mess it up :P
[10:37] <gonzo_> you will get battered
[10:37] <daveake> panned
[10:37] <gonzo_> you are talking crape
[10:37] <AndyEsser> I hate you all
[10:38] <gonzo_> it's a good starting point
[10:38] <AndyEsser> I want nutella and banana on mine... but that's not very English
[10:38] <AndyEsser> ha
[10:41] <gonzo_> my daughter is making them this eve. She can cook well, but I tend to get left with a bombsite to clean up. So will dig out the paint scraper and hooked stick, to brecover them
[10:41] <AndyEsser> haha
[10:41] <AndyEsser> how old?
[10:47] <gonzo_> 15, but acts more mature than me
[10:48] <gonzo_> sometimes it feels like a scene from absolutly fabulous
[10:48] <AndyEsser> haha
[10:51] <Vaizki> hmmh what's this about pancakes
[10:52] <Vaizki> ah Shrove Tuesday
[10:53] <Vaizki> this is our version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla
[10:53] <Vaizki> and yes I prefer it to pancakes.. :)
[10:54] <AndyEsser> good lord that looks nice
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[10:55] <Vaizki> oh yes. om nom nom.
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[11:12] <fl_0> daveake: put a short notive about our changes to the pits board into my blog
[11:12] <fl_0> hope thats ok for you?
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[11:46] <AndyEsser> been working on a logo for EAD with my illustrator
[11:46] <AndyEsser> he's just randomly sent me this as a bit of fun
[11:46] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/XR8TO8R
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[11:51] <Ben-AstroSoc> nice
[12:01] <AndyEsser> Heh, yea
[12:01] <AndyEsser> might have to make use of it
[12:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> Vaizki: Remember we talked about wx sondes and you made a screenie , it locked verry choppy I said, its RS41 Sondes , at this moment I track one over norden Poland
[12:15] <Darkside> SA6BSS-Mike: i heard rumours they stop transmitting after burst, do you know if this is true?
[12:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> about rs41 sondes I dont know, but I dont think so
[12:16] <fl_0> Dont think so either
[12:16] <fl_0> we definitely tracked them during descent
[12:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> the regular sgp sondes that is used close to me tx til lbattery run our
[12:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> *out
[12:17] <Darkside> ok
[12:17] <Darkside> i dont think we'll see RS41s here in australia for a while
[12:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> the balloon I tracked passed night (and other nights) tx all the wai till the morning, last night one I could still track laying on the ground 18km from here
[12:18] <Darkside> we're still on the RS92SGPAs for now, and given the bureau's reccent investment in auto-launchers for them, i think we'll be using RS92's for a while
[12:18] <R6mco> PS-58 splashed yesterday :-(
[12:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes
[12:18] <AndyEsser> it had a good run
[12:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> 5week 5 day 5hours
[12:19] <R6mco> a real nice floater indeed
[12:19] <R6mco> copied it several times in WSPR and also telemetry in JT9
[12:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep, got last wspr spot over 9500km away
[12:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> northen poland and Gotlans is using the same freq 403Mhz, so Turned yago to Gotland and changed to SGP that ballooon starts to decode
[12:23] <R6mco> I had the first spot on Jan 6 this year, it was around 19000 km away (!)
[12:23] <SA6BSS-Mike> thats nice !! :)
[12:23] <R6mco> QTH loc RE61
[12:23] <R6mco> last spot from me is from JF48
[12:24] <R6mco> my E/W is better than N/S
[12:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> interesting to see waht water betwen theb alloon and rx station impact signal, as the hop is about 4500km the firts hop was allways in water (as ps58 was outside africa) to the us ant the allways got alot of spot and that first hop landed in in dry land/desert on its way to EU the nr of stations was allways less
[12:26] <R6mco> lets wait if YT launches a new balloon
[12:27] <R6mco> Mike: yeah .. that's true
[12:28] <R6mco> but I doubt if there are 'hops' on the ground, it also can be, due to the height, that there's a hop in the atmosphere
[12:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont remenber what its messured in but salt water was like 83 - as good as it gets and rocks/dessert like 3 worst there was
[12:28] <R6mco> true
[12:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> its hop, usuly 4000-5000km per hop
[12:29] <R6mco> conductivity of salt water is 5 mS and Er = around 81 or so
[12:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> the old voaprop could calculte nr of hops but he new one dont do tah
[12:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah, ok!
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[12:55] <Vaizki> SA6BSS-Mike, thanks for reminding me.. I have to try to catch them
[12:57] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, why not go all the way .. http://www.dafont.com/nasalization.font .. :)
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[13:04] <mactunes> hi all, wanted to give a short update on the situation in Germany for launches.
[13:05] <mactunes> some might recall that I had no chance of launching from the state of NRW. we however managed to get approval from Rhineland Palatinate for the same payload. they asked for a lot of details and all in all it took weeks of emailing back and forth, but eventually it worked
[13:05] <mactunes> so if you need a place to launch try that ;)
[13:08] <mactunes> maybe on info regarding batteries as I saw a lot of people talking about Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA or AAA batteries. We've launched 6 balloons so far using the Energizer Advanced Lithium 9V block battery (LA522)
[13:08] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: hehe
[13:08] <mactunes> it works like a charme. on our last flight we powered a PITS board with that for more than 5 hours and on all other flights we recorded 720p video on a Raspberry Pi Model A+ for more than 5 hours without any issues
[13:09] <mactunes> the LA522 is around 34g, hence lighter than 4x AAA with a battery holder. that's why we chose it...
[13:14] <R6mco> what is capacity of such a LA522 ?
[13:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/la522.pdf
[13:23] <Vaizki> isn't the LA522 basically 6xAAA in a box?
[13:26] <Vaizki> hmmm AAAA actually
[13:30] <Vaizki> or maybe it's 3 rectangular cells stacked as lithium goes well with 3V.. dunno.. google is remarkedly unhelpful on this :)
[13:34] <mactunes> i once removed the wrapping
[13:34] <mactunes> there's 3 cells inside
[13:34] <mactunes> must be 3*3V then
[13:34] <gonzo_> the duracell batts used to be AAAA batts equiv. We used to use them for the rockets, as you could peel off the metal case, saving weight, then unfold the batts and sleeve them down the rocket body
[13:34] <mactunes> 6xAAA would be much heavier anyhow
[13:34] <craag> 9v lithium batt is 3x cylindrical cells
[13:35] <craag> Doesn't work out as well as AAA for energy/mass
[13:38] <gonzo_> I used 3xAAA lithium batts, with a linear 3.3v reg. As it was about the same efficiency as a switcher, and there was little energy below the knee voilstage, to be worth the effiort
[13:38] <gonzo_> (not for a PI)
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[13:39] <craag> note that with a pi_+ you can just stick 3x1.5V into it
[13:40] <craag> susf for the eclipse flight used a pi+3xAAA
[13:40] <craag> ()x2
[13:40] <gonzo_> will they work with 4.5v?
[13:40] <fsphil> eclipse. forgot about that. it's getting close
[13:41] <AndyEsser> there's an eclipse coming up
[13:41] <AndyEsser> ?
[13:41] Action: AndyEsser googles
[13:41] <fsphil> 2017 in the US
[13:41] <craag> gonzo_: into the 5V input
[13:41] <gonzo_> the discharge curve of the lithiums seems to be quite sharp, almost nicad like
[13:41] <AndyEsser> "The next Lunar Eclipse will be a Total Eclipse and occur on April 4th, 2015"
[13:41] <AndyEsser> thanks Google...
[13:41] <craag> It'll work down to about 1.05V/cell or something, which is a very dead lithium
[13:42] <fsphil> http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2017Aug21Tgoogle.html
[13:42] <gonzo_> I assume the board inetrnals are 3v3?
[13:42] <craag> yes - USB ports are the only part that actually use 5V
[13:43] <gonzo_> useful to know
[13:43] <fsphil> a lot of usb devices run with 3.3v too
[13:44] <craag> hence why the non-rpis had that regulator that got as hot as the rest of the board (linear 3v3)
[13:44] <craag> *non-plus rpis
[13:44] <craag> plus use smps for 5V -> 3v3, 1v8 and 1v1 iirc
[13:50] <daveake> I forget the exact voltage, but the Pi A+ will boot off something less than 3.3V
[13:50] <daveake> 3 and a small bit iirc
[13:52] <craag> yep, 1.05V x3 was reliable for us I think
[13:53] <craag> That might include some margin
[13:53] <daveake> re eclipses, the USA 2017 one is convenient as it goes across the USA from NW to SE, so that's a huge area to choose a location from
[13:55] <daveake> (spammy test results):
[13:55] <daveake> PSU 2.9V: 2.68 - 2.81V. Boots and shuts down OK
[13:55] <daveake> PSU 2.8V: 2.63 - 2.72V. Boots and shuts down mostly :-)
[13:55] <daveake> PSU 2.7V: 2.57 - 2.68V. Boots intermittently
[13:55] <mattbrejza> tldr: connect 3xlithuim into 5V :)
[13:55] <daveake> First voltage is what the PSU was set to; second/third are the min/max readings measured at the Pi
[13:56] <daveake> hah yes
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[14:33] <fl_0> <mactunes> [14:05:32] some might recall that I had no chance of launching from the state of NRW. we however managed to get approval from Rhineland Palatinate for the same payload. they asked for a lot of details and all in all it took weeks of emailing back and forth, but eventually it worked
[14:33] <fl_0> mactunes: very interesting. We want to launch from NRW in 2 weeks
[14:33] <fl_0> what is/was your problem?
[14:34] <mactunes> so our problem was that we had to get approval from the landesluftfahrtbehoerde
[14:34] <mactunes> they let us know that with the current law there is no way we can launch.
[14:34] <fl_0> Okay, I guess I have to ask my colleagues who are working on the approval of them as well
[14:35] <mactunes> the law is that you have to ensure that when the balloon comes down it must not put people or things in danger
[14:35] <mactunes> their way of interpreting this sentence is, that this is never possible. so they just denied us
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> how do they legally launch?
[14:36] <fl_0> hhmmm
[14:36] <fl_0> I wonder how people got the approval here in the past
[14:36] <fl_0> i attended 2 launches from GE where this was no problem
[14:36] <mactunes> this was no problem until late last year
[14:36] <mactunes> we launched 4 balloons in 2015, but were denied early this year
[14:37] <fl_0> ARGH
[14:37] <mactunes> there is an exception for the weather service apparently
[14:37] <fl_0> that may explain it
[14:38] <mactunes> this is the law, and it is a EU wide law afaik: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:281:0001:0066:EN:PDF
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.theonion.com/article/new-hampshire-covered-shadow-floating-clinton-camp-52325
[14:39] <mactunes> this sentence is what killed it: "An unmanned free balloon shall not be operated in such a manner that impact of the balloon, or any part thereof, including its payload, with the surface of the earth, creates a hazard to persons or property."
[14:40] <fl_0> mactunes: hhhmmm but I guess this did exist before late 2015 ...
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Came into force 4 december 2012, it also says "An unmanned free balloon shall be operated in such a manner as to minimise hazards to persons, property or other
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> aircraft and in accordance with the conditions specified in Appendix 2.
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> "
[14:43] <craag> Have a look in appendix 2 Geoff-G8DHE ..
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> I did
[14:44] <craag> p54
[14:44] <craag> Other bits in there requiring permission for floating balloons and stuff too
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> The above is EU law
[14:44] <craag> with no exemption for small balloons
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> It does not directly apply unless there is national law implementing it
[14:44] <craag> ah ok SpeedEvil
[14:44] <craag> :)
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> National law may say something slightly different - and this is OK unless someone complains.
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> (broadly)
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Obviously the other states don't consider a payload on a parachute creates a hazard.
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its down to an Opinion does it create a hazard or not.
[14:46] <mactunes> exactly
[14:47] <daveake> If any balloon flight creates this undefined hazard, which seems to be the issue here, then appendix 2 could well have been shortened to "no unmanned balloon flights allowed unless you're the met office"
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> What is the penalty ?
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> The above law, strictly read, would ban party balloons.
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> It might be interesting to request release of one common 10" party balloon with a card on it.
[14:48] <daveake> hah
[14:48] <mactunes> true
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Also it is determined by the "State" i.e. the country, not by local authorities ?
[14:49] <mactunes> yes, it's a country thing
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> The national government can farm it out to states if it chooses
[14:49] <mactunes> but in Germany each state deals with this issue separately i believe
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can it ?
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Has it ?
[14:49] <mactunes> in Germany yes
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> Geoff-G8DHE: In general, how each state implemnets EU legislation has wide flexibility
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I know but has it ? Check to see thr egulations as to what aspects have been pushed down the political tree is what I am suggesting ...
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Because the regulations you need to apply is the one from the local authority in that case.
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> you'd want to actually check local and national german law for this.
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> The CAA says screw-it, and exempts under 2m balloons entirely
[14:52] <daveake> Quite. Also no need to tell them the flight path etc
[14:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> See section 5 Pre-flight notification's only applies to Medium or Heavy balloons not light ones ...
[14:54] <daveake> Yes and a 3kg payload (not unheard of) falls into that category
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[14:55] <R34lB0rg> austria actually did just "no unmanned balloon flights allowed unless you're the met office"
[14:55] <daveake> The CAA have sometimes asked for payload weights
[14:55] <AndyEsser> daveake: worth just including that in NOTAM requests?
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> So if classed as "Light" you don't have to pre-flight notify.
[14:56] <daveake> Correct Geoff-G8DHE
[14:56] <daveake> AndyEsser Nah, you;ll get asked if needed. That IME has only been for flights nearish airports/airbases where they impose restrictions on the flight direction
[14:57] <AndyEsser> fair enough
[15:05] <eroomde> adamgreig: mackay mentioned a lot in 'The Bottom Line' on R4
[15:05] <eroomde> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z56m9#play
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[15:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> realising i have to massively refactor my UART Rx ISR to accommodate checking that the GPS has initialised
[15:25] <Ben-AstroSoc> meh
[15:28] <lz1dev> exactly the way microsoft does it
[15:30] <eroomde> Ben-AstroSoc: without knowing the details, in general putting too much state and logic in an ISR is a bad thing
[15:30] <eroomde> you want the isr to just grab the bytes from the hardware peripheral and put them in some 'userland' (if you'll excuse the OS terminaology) buffer for something else to deal with
[15:31] <eroomde> the ISR doesn't want to be doing flight logic or anything really
[15:31] <Ben-AstroSoc> yeah i'm setting up some flags and a function to handle it instead
[15:31] <eroomde> ... in my opinion, anyway
[15:31] <eroomde> ok cool
[15:31] <AndyEsser> eroomde: pish... what do you know ;)
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[15:39] <eroomde> nothing. that's the scary thing
[15:41] <AndyEsser> Fake it until you make it, right?
[15:42] <eroomde> fake is a strong word
[15:42] <eroomde> use that confidence our school taught so well
[15:43] <eroomde> to try and smooth over the drowning
[15:43] <AndyEsser> the school taught us confidence?
[15:43] <AndyEsser> I just thought it taught us that if you're no good at sports or an Oxford/Cambridge hopeful you're not worth much to the school
[15:43] <eroomde> that's true too
[15:44] <eroomde> (or music)
[15:44] <eroomde> right i will be back shortly
[15:44] <AndyEsser> o/
[15:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> the example code i'm working off is formatted terribly and not ocmmented at a
[15:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> all
[15:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> well, sort of
[15:48] <Ben-AstroSoc> getting there
[15:48] <nick_> q
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[16:04] <fsphil> hopefully not my code
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[16:05] <AndyEsser> I'm really nervous about open-sourcing my code for my tracker and things
[16:05] <AndyEsser> everyone will see me for the fraud I am
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[16:08] <fsphil> "constructive criticism"
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[16:10] <Ben-AstroSoc> when setting airborne dynamic mode does the ublox return its confirmation bytes multiple times?
[16:11] <mattbrejza> it shouldnt
[16:11] <AndyEsser> o crap
[16:11] <mattbrejza> it acks every command you give ut
[16:11] <mattbrejza> it
[16:11] <AndyEsser> I really should check my ublox is in airborne mode...
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[16:12] <mattbrejza> although if you check for the flight mode confirmation not sure what you do if it fails...
[16:12] <mattbrejza> send again?
[16:12] <adamgreig> yea :p
[16:12] <mattbrejza> but then why not just send flight mode every loop
[16:12] <mattbrejza> so no need to check :P
[16:12] <adamgreig> some people do
[16:12] <adamgreig> some people reset their rfm69 every loop too
[16:12] <adamgreig> i set flight mode once ever, write to eeprom, leave it
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:12] <adamgreig> :P
[16:13] <Ben-AstroSoc> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=750 im looking at this, line 88 doesn't tell the set dynamic model function the ack packets are wrong
[16:13] <Ben-AstroSoc> so it just sits there
[16:13] <mattbrejza> tbh id just let the wdt cause reset if the rfm screwed up
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[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> no-go for today was justified
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> it rains heavily here
[16:13] <mattbrejza> yea you dont want to launch in the rain
[16:13] <mattbrejza> you get wet
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[16:13] <mattbrejza> and it sucks
[16:14] <mattbrejza> and then you need to buy a new laptop keyboard
[16:14] <Ben-AstroSoc> if it detects the wrong set of ack packets i want to run the inititialisation process again?
[16:15] <mattbrejza> tbh id check it works by using ucentre/putty, then just resend flight mode every now and again so it cant miss it
[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:15] <mattbrejza> but if you check it in code then you can have reassurance its still working
[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> main problem was the prediction of 8 bft
[16:15] <mattbrejza> but then if it fails you dont want it to retry forever
[16:15] <Ben-AstroSoc> i guess it times out if it doesnt detect anything but in that case why bother resetting the index variable if you're just going to resend all the setups
[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> as we wanted to launch from physics building roof, we are not allowed to be up there of course in strong wind
[16:18] <Ben-AstroSoc> a'ight i think i've sorted it out
[16:20] <Ben-AstroSoc> i've basically got it calling my gps_initialisation function over and over again until i receives the correct bytes
[16:21] <AndyEsser> that's ripe for an infinite loop
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[16:26] <Lunar_Lander> tech sometimes is strange
[16:32] <AndyEsser> Ghosts in the Machine
[16:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:33] <Lunar_Lander> if there are safeguards, why can two trains collide head on on a single line
[16:34] <AndyEsser> Ah yes
[16:34] <AndyEsser> about the train crash in Germany?
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:35] <mattbrejza> well im sure the crash report will be enlightning/concerning
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[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> I think so too
[16:36] <AndyEsser> As a crash had never happened on that stretch of line before
[16:36] <AndyEsser> it was either due to human error (why is this still a thing)
[16:36] <AndyEsser> or an external factor
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> the electronic safing had been checked last week
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[16:38] <eroomde> human error is a thing cos humans often make errors
[16:38] <eroomde> there was a building company that had an accident when a ladder collapsed
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[16:39] <eroomde> it collapsed because after years of use where one half ran against the extending bit (so it could tree-stand) the runner bit had rubbed against the static bit and worn the aluminium wall right down of the main tubes
[16:39] <eroomde> it should have happened because there was a workshop stores man whose job included 'inspect ladders'
[16:39] <eroomde> but all he really did was say 'yep, that's a ladder alright'
[16:40] <eroomde> it wasn't written down that he needed to ultrasonically inspect the wall thickness of the struts along the ladder length - of course that's silly. but how else do you actually tell?
[16:40] <eroomde> but someone just thought 'we should check the ladders are ok every 3 months. you, check the ladders are ok every three months' and thought that was good enough
[16:41] <eroomde> that sort of thing happenes everywhere
[16:43] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
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[16:44] <eroomde> sorry, i meant to say 'it should NOT have happened because the workshop man...'
[16:44] <mattbrejza> the british rail investigation people put all their reports online, and there are some concerning nearmisses that you would have thought would never happen
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: measure at the ends and compare?
[16:45] <mattbrejza> of course you never hear about it until it goes badly wrong
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> look for digs?
[16:45] <eroomde> it was in the middle that it was worn down
[16:45] <mfa298> some of that sounds a bit like the farce of PAT testing, the test is only valid at the time it was done. Just because the cable was tested sometime in the last year doesn't make it safe now
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> yes - compare with the middle
[16:47] <AndyEsser> mfa298: There are people coming in to PAT the equipment in my office next week
[16:48] <eroomde> i hope you don;t pay for that
[16:48] <AndyEsser> of course we do
[16:49] <AndyEsser> and I'm fully aware that it is a pointless test
[16:49] <AndyEsser> however it's a requirement
[16:49] <eroomde> a pat tester costs about 0.5 pat inspections from an outside person for a medium office
[16:49] <AndyEsser> an automated tester costs £1000
[16:49] <AndyEsser> pays for itself in a few years
[16:49] <AndyEsser> yes I know
[16:50] <mfa298> I'm not even sure a full pat test is a legal requirement, more a scam by the insurance agencies
[16:50] <AndyEsser> it's not a legal requirement
[16:50] <AndyEsser> it's all done driven my Public Liability insurance tec
[16:50] <AndyEsser> etc*
[16:50] <AndyEsser> by*
[16:50] <AndyEsser> ffs, can't type
[16:52] <russss> ofc if you own your own PAT tester then the regs say it should be recalibrated yearly
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[17:34] <Ben-AstroSoc> I'm writing a timeout for the GPS init so it can't infinite loop. Not that it matters considering we can't fly if the GPS doesn't engage
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[17:35] <mattbrejza> well it could be in a state that gives you data but doesnt respond for some reason
[17:35] <mattbrejza> if you poll gps position then yea youre screwed
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[17:44] <eroomde> yeah you definitely want timeouts everywhere
[17:44] <eroomde> if you have some state machine about gps health the timeout can be enough of a decision to drop you back into some restart sequence
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[18:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> we're just reading UART output, no polling
[18:36] <Ben-AstroSoc> but yes will have a timeout and some status LED
[18:37] <Ben-AstroSoc> will have to think about inflight restart
[18:38] <Ben-AstroSoc> this was more f or the initialisation, i'd have to write some extra logic to initiate a restart if it starts spewing rubbish for, say, 5 seconds
[18:38] <Ben-AstroSoc> not neglectingto spew anything at all
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[18:40] <Ben-AstroSoc> technician had me looking into watchdog timers this evening so maybe use one of those
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[19:28] <Ian_> Ben-AstroSoc, re your [15:48], not preferred formatting perhaps but commented in the surrounding text. Given the reveal at [16:13], I would order your next Ublox in good time in case the little black box is put on the slow boat . . . :)
[19:30] <Ian_> Sounds close to heresy to me . . . That and sounds a little like the failed compile, so the student runs the compiler again in the hope of a different response.
[19:32] <Ian_> LunarLander, often it is found that railway safety systems have been reduced to nothing by track-side copper thefts, which regularly put lives at risk.
[19:33] <Ian_> The price of copper being what it is, there are greedy people who see it as an easy target without considering the consequences of their action.
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[19:34] <Ian_> It is a terrible incident today and the victims and relatives live with the price, whatever the cause. My heart is with all affected by the tradgedy.
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> mine too
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[19:53] <Ben-AstroSoc> @Ian_ got a GPS in the mail as i type
[19:57] <kristianpaul> 7win 11
[20:01] <Ian_> Whew, lucky. I guess formatting and commenting is a very personal thing. Good at least that we have specimen code to give us a starting point. The discussions of the varous points all contribute to (my) distributed education on the subject.
[20:01] <Ian_> Let's not let the facts get in the way of a humerous moment of course. :)
[20:01] <Ben-AstroSoc> It was very helpful, was just having trouble transferring it to C for AVR from the arduino script ^^
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[20:03] <Ian_> I haven't made the jump to AVR yet, it is still in my distant future I think, but a logical step.
[20:03] <fl_0> re
[20:03] <fl_0> hi @ll
[20:04] <Ben-AstroSoc> We've been taught it but building up most of this from scratch
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> hi fl_0
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> Ian_, what platform did you use up to now?
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[20:25] <Ian_> I'm pre launch, probably by a long way, but Arduino IDE
[20:25] <Ian_> It's more a case of getting the tool chain sorted and being confident with that.
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[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[20:26] <Ian_> Happy with Vi (pre Vim) etc.
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> interpreted you like you used PIC or so before
[20:26] <Ian_> No, I had dabbled with Picaxe but CRC16 forced me to jump platforms.
[20:28] <Ian_> and obviously life is so much easier and allows me to work with C. The price of clones is nice and low now too
[20:28] <Ian_> Almost the same price as a basic Atmega328p-pu
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
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[20:36] <amell> gah, first time on the web irc...
[20:36] <amell> Who is the latest recommendation for getting one off PCBs made?
[20:36] <amell> i know of oshpark, but isnt there someone on irc who does these as well?
[20:36] <adamgreig> hackvana
[20:36] <amell> thanks
[20:37] <amell> adamgreig: oh yeah get your card ok?
[20:38] <adamgreig> I did thanks :)
[20:38] <adamgreig> the new renewal system is ace
[20:38] <adamgreig> much easier/quicker
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[20:38] <amell> yeah its nice and low maintenance.
[20:38] <amell> will you be at march launch?
[20:42] <adamgreig> I'm in india then so I won't be :( might be some CUSF people
[20:42] <adamgreig> hopefully april or may we'll have some new avionics to test launch though
[20:44] <amell> hopefully something a bit more beefy than a 1 grain vmax...
[20:44] <amell> I think you win award for lowest ever launch.
[20:44] <adamgreig> haha
[20:44] <adamgreig> idk, that tests everything we want on the avionics front :P
[20:44] <adamgreig> we should have something decently beefy at irw
[20:44] <amell> wonder you got laundry out in time.
[20:44] <adamgreig> itself a prep for a really beefy plan for balls :p
[20:45] <adamgreig> malcolm still has an m for us kicking around
[20:45] <amell> another O8000?
[20:45] <adamgreig> nah
[20:45] <adamgreig> avoiding the pro150s
[20:45] <adamgreig> 1.3c makes them a real pig
[20:45] <adamgreig> very expensive to ship and etc
[20:45] <adamgreig> but a higher total impulse this time if you follow my drift
[20:45] <amell> order something in the US?
[20:46] <adamgreig> the O8000 was in the US but they're all custom made by cesseroni so need to be shipped from canada
[20:46] <adamgreig> and so you have to pay for the 1.3c hazmat truck
[20:46] <adamgreig> costs literally as much as the motor, which is also not cheap
[20:47] <amell> 28000Ns enough?
[20:47] <amell> I know a man who wants to shift 8 x O6300 contrail motors.
[20:47] <amell> going cheap
[20:49] <amell> its just rubber so no 1.3c
[20:49] <adamgreig> what diameter?
[20:49] <amell> 152mm
[20:49] <chris_99> amell, checkout pcbshopper
[20:49] <adamgreig> hmm our current plan calls for 98mm on all the things really
[20:49] <amell> left over from Topgear space shuttle.
[20:49] <adamgreig> ah yes
[20:49] <adamgreig> that
[20:49] <adamgreig> they're still around?
[20:49] <adamgreig> thought that was all hybrids?
[20:50] <amell> hes has some left
[20:50] <amell> it is hybrid.
[20:50] <adamgreig> right
[20:50] <amell> if you pay, he'll set and fill it for you :)
[20:50] <adamgreig> where's the fun in that :P
[20:50] <amell> DIY by all means
[20:51] <amell> but will certainly be a lot cheaper than an O8000
[20:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5KNM-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5KNM-11
[20:54] <amell> chris_99: thanks, looks good.
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[20:58] <Ben-AstroSoc> Rockets?
[20:59] <amell> yes
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[21:11] <Ben-AstroSoc> sounds like you're building somethihng big
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[22:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03test-BK2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=test-BK2
[22:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE2WMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
[22:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA2RMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11
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[22:15] <k1of> Has PS-58 come down?
[22:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes
[22:15] <k1of> tks
[22:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> looked like bad weather rather then balloon failure
[22:16] <k1of> Too bad, but last I saw it, it was in some pretty desolate part of the world
[22:17] <lz1dev> .whereis ps-58
[22:17] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03PS-58 was over 03Indian Ocean 10(-56.12,75.566) at 033964 meters about 032 days ago
[22:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes, nown for its bad weather
[22:18] <fsphil> aww
[22:18] <k1of> at3964 meters I guess weather is a much bigger factor than when it is at 9000 meters
[22:18] <fsphil> it would be quite neat if one came down over land, and continued to be received
[22:18] <fsphil> might make a recovery possible
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> I liked the accuracy of the hysplit for the atlantic part
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> that it would fly that bend and then to Liberia
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> and that it did that in the end
[22:21] <k1of> what is hysplit ?
[22:22] <fl_0> .whereis DL0CRE-11
[22:22] <SpacenearUS> 03fl_0: I haven't got a clue
[22:22] <fl_0> :(
[22:22] <fl_0> hrhr
[22:22] <lz1dev> .aprs info DL0CRE-11
[22:22] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03DL0CRE-11 was near 03Münster, Germany 10(51.62909,7.25945) at 0370 meters about 0311 days ago - 12http://aprs.fi/info/DL0CRE-11
[22:22] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03DL0CRE-11>APRS via 03WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1,qAR,DL0CRE
[22:22] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03/O
[22:22] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03|!+| /DL0CRE,10'C,N18 HAB Mission -> http://ballon.n18.de
[22:23] <fl_0> does that piece of robot have a help function?
[22:23] <fl_0> or ist that documented somewhere?
[22:23] <adamgreig> .help
[22:23] <SpacenearUS> 03adamgreig: Here you go: 12https://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[22:24] <fl_0> tnx
[22:24] <fl_0> :D
[22:24] <fl_0> could have been so easy
[22:24] <fl_0> I tried it via pm
[22:24] <fl_0> :D
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[23:01] <amell> !aprs status
[23:01] <SpacenearUS> APRS Gateway: 03cache_size 103101 03callsigns 10200416 03igates 1016840 03ppm 103183 03queue_size 104 03uptime 10a month
[23:02] <amell> !aprs list-bal
[23:02] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Expected argument to be an integer: 0-24
[23:03] <amell> !aprs list-bal 24
[23:03] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Recent balloons: ED1ZAR-11, F6IPO-11, OK1RPL-11, SP5RZP-11, DL1MX-11, SQ6OMN-12, EA5DOM-11, SQ9SIM-11, OK1LPD-11, PY5GY-11, SP5MG-11, EA2SW-11, PU5NEN-11, KD2ANM, OM3BC-11, SQ9RHX-11, BU2DE-8, IK8SUT-11, KD9CKX-9, SQ6OMN-11
[23:03] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Recent balloons: 9W2ORB-9, JA5RA-5, DG4AM-10, SQ6SFN-11, SQ3DVQ-11, SQ9UU-11, SQ1FTK-12, DM2HB-11, PU5PBT-11, KG5KNM-11, DO9BAU-11, N4XWC-1, PU3XGS-11, OK1RPL-10, SQ5NWI-14, VE2WMG-11, SQ3JPV-11, CS7ACM-11, PU2KVA-11, DB1OFH-11
[23:03] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Recent balloons: DG4YGO-11, PU5PEP-12, VA2RMG-11, DL1NBR-11, DL2BWO-11, DO9BAU-12, SP9UOB-12, SQ5RZP-11, CT2KAZ-11, OK1LPD-12
[23:03] <amell> ouch
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[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> prediction looks good for up to 29 km :)
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