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[00:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ria-20a_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ria-20a_chase
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[05:20] <Evidlo> Is it reasonable to assume that my HAB will be within radio range in the duration of its flight?
[05:29] <Ian_> Hello Evidlo, short answer, No. . . . Where in the world are you?
[05:29] <Evidlo> USA
[05:30] <Evidlo> IN, so well away from coasts
[05:30] <Evidlo> My question is really, am I going to have to drive after my balloon to keep contact?
[05:30] <R34lB0rg> yes
[05:30] <Ian_> OK. Reason for asking is that in the UK we are not permitted to fly amateur transmitters airborne, so use the ISM band which falls in the amateur 70cm band
[05:31] <R34lB0rg> earth isn't flat - the farther you are away when it lands the more track you loose
[05:31] <Ian_> Which is good for receivers. Limited to 10mW
[05:31] <Ian_> Are you a licensed Ham operator?
[05:31] <Evidlo> I'm taking the Technician test tomorrow morning
[05:32] <Ian_> Good, then you will doubtless be looking at using APRS, which in the US has a lot or receiving stations but
[05:33] <Ian_> where in the UK we tx telemetry every 10 to 20 seconds, you will be limited to one or two minutes between tx
[05:33] <Ian_> Anything more frequent will make you well acquainted with the grumpy old souls that think they own the spectrum :-)
[05:33] <Evidlo> So do most people implement their own comms from surface to air, then use APRS for the other way?
[05:34] <Evidlo> The payload is large enough that I need some cutdowns
[05:34] <R34lB0rg> Ian_, I think even they would accept a data burst when the balloon is going down for landing
[05:35] <Ian_> The granularity of your fixes will be fairly course and you really want to be at the predicted end zone ahead of the package to be able to rx and follow it down.
[05:35] <Ian_> tnx R34lBOrg
[05:35] <Evidlo> You're really only expected to transmit at 30s intervals? I was thinking I would be transmitting constantly
[05:36] <Evidlo> At least from surface to air
[05:36] <Ian_> Not a lot of people use ground to air for cutdowns. it's a mute point but possible. (Licensing issue) think incidental.
[05:37] <Ian_> I guess that you have found the regs relating to balloon flights from the FAA?
[05:38] <Evidlo> Yes, 4 independent cutdowns. Two for payload, two for balloon envelope
[05:38] <Ian_> My gosh, your surname isn't Google-Loon by chance?
[05:39] <Evidlo> No
[05:39] <Evidlo> was that sarcasm?
[05:39] <Evidlo> lol
[05:39] <Evidlo> I thought you were serious for a moment
[05:39] <Ian_> Most people are happy with one cutdown or none - I was of course joking. 4 cutdowns is definitely a Mericun balloon
[05:40] <Ian_> Hot wire or pyro?
[05:40] <Evidlo> see 101.35 http://www.chem.hawaii.edu/uham/part101.html
[05:41] <Evidlo> Probably 2 hot wires for payload. I'm still not sure about the envelope
[05:41] <Ian_> I haven't read it of course, but you have obviously acquinted yourself, which is what's important to keep you out of the pokey
[05:41] <Evidlo> Maybe another hot wire wrapped around the plastic
[05:42] <Ian_> If you have cut away the payload, presumably two separate packages then surely the balloon itself shouldn't require more cutdowns?
[05:43] <Evidlo> The section I linked says the payload needs two cutdowns, and the envelope needs two also
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[05:46] <Ian_> OK, read that . . . Hmmmm. There are a number of US members on here regularly who will be better able to advise you re cutdowns and radar reflectors, but
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[05:47] <Ian_> The experience in the UK and mostly the whole of Europe I believe is that radar reflectors are a waste of time and pose as much of a problem as they seek to avoid.
[05:48] <Evidlo> The FAA is probably pretty strict about retro reflectors
[05:48] <Ian_> We tend not to operate cutdowns, but a few people do to meet their own requirements to release packages for specific reasons generally.
[05:49] <Ian_> That's why a currently active US HABber will be best to advise you of the practice. The aim is certainly to stay legit and free!
[05:51] <Ian_> It is only recent with dave ake and the LORA flyers that an uplink has really become feasible, certainly in the UK/EU
[05:52] <Ian_> By the time you find that you need a cut down to miss a 747, it's too late already. just hope that your package is statistically like a defrosted frozen chicken
[05:53] <Ian_> Those turbofans have a healthy appetite I'm told
[05:53] <Ian_> The amount of time spent at airliner altitudes is fairly minimal
[05:54] <Ian_> Unless of course you manage to get a floater. There have been pictures from HAB where an aeroplane has flashed by not too far underneath the camera . . .
[05:54] <Ian_> Swissair I believe
[05:54] <Evidlo> Does LORA specify any frequency or modulation scheme?
[05:54] <Evidlo> Or is it just a name, like WiFi?
[05:56] <Ian_> LORA is a proprietry modulation scheme. LORA is Long Range. I believe that it is a bit chirpy, but don't have the details
[05:57] <Ian_> https://www.lora-alliance.org/What-Is-LoRa/Technology I believe that a number of IC fabs have licenced the technology and produce chips.
[06:00] <Ian_> http://www.daveakerman.com/ this is the guy, to be found here who is one of the current LORA HAB developers
[06:01] <Ian_> Unlike me, they will doubtless still be fast asleep.
[06:01] <Evidlo> One thing I don't understand is that a lot of people talk about 10mW transmitters, but the module I'm playing with claims to be 1W.
[06:03] <Ian_> The ISM band document that controls us in the UK is Ofcom's IR2030 and 10mW is the limit. The LORA freqs I believe allow 100mW but then there is duty cycle limitations
[06:03] <Ian_> I believe APRS is likely to be 100mW to 1W as standard
[06:04] <Ian_> So that explains the low power which is prevalently discussed here. It is typically good for 600+km
[06:04] <Ian_> range
[06:05] <Evidlo> What is an average travel distance for a HAB?
[06:05] <Ian_> I'm located near Birmingham UK and can hear 50baud RTTY from balloons going out over the coast - headed for the North Sea or Netherlands - romping in 5/9
[06:06] <Evidlo> I mean, how far do the balloons usually go, physically?
[06:07] <Ian_> Depends upon the winds. and a number of other factors. Most check the predictions and look for something favourable. After all if you are going to spend twice the package value in fuel then you may as well stay home and have a beer
[06:08] <Ian_> Ten miles to one hundred and fiftey I guess.
[06:08] <Ian_> fifty
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[06:12] <Ian_> I take it that you have got here via habhub.org ? There is the CUSF predictor, burst calculator and other tools to help with the planning and tracking of balloon flights. I know that a number of APRS flights have been linked in so that they appear on the tracker map, but that is arranged with the guys over on #habhub rather than here #highaltitude
[06:13] <Ian_> If we had been allowed to use Ham radio airborne then I doubt that a lot of the infrastructure which has a network of distributed listeners throughout Europe would have become quite as popular as it is
[06:14] <Ian_> I hope that I haven't been too vague and that you can call back when the guys with the experience are awake.
[06:15] <Evidlo> No, thanks for the help
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[06:35] <Ian_> Just reading the do you gave me the link for and don't believe that the reporting is quite as published, although ATC is advised of actual launch times etc.
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[09:28] <Vaizki> morning.. kinda.. slept until 11am
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[11:21] <AndyEsser> Vaizki: did the same thing :)
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[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP6NVB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6NVB-11
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[11:44] <Avi> moving!
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[11:49] <Darkside> Avi: you're a melbournite?
[11:49] <Darkside> you didn't happen to go to Linuxconf did yo?
[11:49] <Avi> nope, didnt go, not a linux fan
[11:49] <Avi> why?
[11:49] <Darkside> well its not just about that
[11:49] <Darkside> i gave a talk there on some high altitude ballooning stuff
[11:50] <Avi> oh
[11:50] <Darkside> i was in geelong the last week for the conference
[11:50] <Avi> im only interested in low altitude, while i repair this **** quadcopter
[11:50] <Darkside> oh right
[11:50] <Darkside> no experience with quadcopters here...
[11:50] <Avi> basically i just need a single photo, monthly
[11:51] <Darkside> too much time and effort to go into those things..
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[11:51] <Avi> i do wonder how high i can do with string and a baloon withoput it being blown too far
[11:52] <Darkside> mm tethered balloons kind of suck
[11:52] <Avi> cheapest though
[11:52] <Darkside> sure, but you end up with something at like a 45 degree angle lol
[11:52] <Avi> probably ok
[11:52] <Darkside> because of the higher altitude winds
[11:53] <Avi> *sop long as the string stays attached
[11:53] <Avi> else my cam is going to space
[11:53] <Darkside> hah
[11:53] <Avi> again....
[11:53] <Ian_> Tethered balloons quickly become a nightmare with just a little size and a bit of wind. 45 degrees is optimistic with a lot of wind
[11:53] <Darkside> heh
[11:53] <Darkside> yes we had a demo tethered balloon pop when it hit the ground
[11:53] <Avi> why did it hit the ground
[11:54] <Darkside> strong wind
[11:54] <Ian_> Just look at some of the hairy moments pre launch. Would you really want to extend the risk period and best plan on tracking your bunch of GoPros, before they leggit
[11:54] <Darkside> overcame the lift of the balloon
[11:54] <Avi> hm
[11:54] <Avi> but what if the list is like 200h and only need like 100g
[11:54] <Avi> lift
[11:56] <Ian_> It's likely to be a vector and the distortion of the balloon may well become an airfoil section and bias the balloon into the ground.
[11:56] <Ian_> With strong gusts in a hefty breeze
[11:56] <Avi> hm
[11:56] <Avi> any other methods i could use for about $50?
[11:57] <Ian_> Take up drinking more beer
[11:57] <Avi> lol
[11:58] <Darkside> the gas to cary a gopro under a tethered balloon, plus the cost of the balloon would easy be over AUD$250
[11:58] <Ian_> It won't solve your problem, but will take your mind off it for a couple of days. :)
[11:58] <Darkside> does depend on what price you get from BOC/Air Liquide/Supagas
[11:58] <craag> There are aerostats designed for lifting payloads in wind
[11:58] <Darkside> or a kite!
[11:58] <Darkside> but for repeatable photos, a quadcopter is probably best
[11:58] <Ian_> They are very good . . . didn't say cheap!
[11:58] <craag> Where they're half-balloon, half-kite
[11:59] <craag> But yes - pricey
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[11:59] <Avi> i can get 90cm helium (and i guess part air) for $27.50, plenty able to lift a mobius can and some nylon string
[11:59] <Avi> *cam
[11:59] <craag> Sure
[12:00] <craag> But any wind and that will go more horizontal than vertical
[12:00] <craag> It's a problem many of us deal with when trying to launch a standard HAB in the wind
[12:00] <Avi> ah
[12:01] <craag> By all means try it, if you're lucky with the wind it'll work :)
[12:01] <Avi> you mean try wthout a camera first!
[12:02] <Avi> pahahahah
[12:02] <Avi> with my luck...
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[12:02] <craag> hehe just make sure the cord is well attached..
[12:02] <Avi> could be tricky, nylon isnt very good at being tied
[12:02] <craag> There have been people who've lost DSLRs on tethered balloon because the knot came undone...
[12:02] <Avi> oh NOES!
[12:03] <craag> Standard nylon cord will be fine - it's what we all use on the HABs
[12:03] <Avi> i have some 0.7mm and 0.9mm
[12:03] <Darkside> i use brickies line
[12:03] <craag> I think the stuff I use on light payloads is labelled as 1.0
[12:03] <Darkside> fluro stuff
[12:04] <Avi> el wire!
[12:04] <Avi> jk
[12:04] <Darkside> easily has 20-30kg tensile strength, whic his more than enough
[12:04] <Avi> that is a lot!
[12:04] <Darkside> you actually dont want it to be too strong on a HAB, and there are even some limits in the legislation on tensile strength of the cord you use
[12:05] <Avi> oh?
[12:05] <Darkside> probably so it snaps if it gets caught in a light aircraft engine
[12:05] <Avi> ah right
[12:05] <Darkside> you'd have to go looking in CASR part 101.e to find it
[12:06] <Avi> hm CASR part 101.e
[12:06] <Avi> https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-page/casr-part-101-unmanned-aircraft-and-rocket-operations
[12:07] <Darkside> hrm
[12:08] <Darkside> actially its not in there
[12:08] <Darkside> must be in the ICAO regulations
[12:08] <Darkside> oh well
[12:08] <Darkside> bedtime for me
[12:10] <Avi> night
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[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F1JRN-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F1JRN-9
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03D-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=D-9
[13:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03hkLo1 after 0312 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hkLo1
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[13:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO3FVR_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3FVR_chase
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[15:01] <Mark_B> Good afternoon
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[15:02] <Mark_B> OK if I just upload a couple of sentences for testing?
[15:02] <Mark_B> to spacenear that is
[15:02] <craag> Mark_B: Go ahead - totally fine whenever
[15:03] <Joe_____> !flights
[15:03] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Current flights: 03UBSEDS13 434.600 CONTESTIA 16/1000 10(ac0a)
[15:03] <Mark_B> ack, thnx craag
[15:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MM8
[15:04] <Joe_____> !aprs
[15:04] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Tracking via APRS: 03DK3SB-10, 03DK3SB-8, 03KD5ZPL-11, 03KD9DBI-11, 03KG5KNM-11, 03M0SBU-11 10(UBSEDS13), 03M0UPU-7, 03M0UPU-8, 03M0UPU-9, 03SP3OSJ-12, 03VK3YT-11
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[15:09] <Joe_____> !aprs status
[15:09] <SpacenearUS> APRS Gateway: 03cache_size 102165 03callsigns 10198993 03igates 1016687 03ppm 102643 03queue_size 106 03uptime 1025 days
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[15:13] <Joe_____> !aprs list-bal
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: I4NHK-11, W3EAX-12, KB1YTY-1, KD5ZPL-11, 30H38W-12, KK6TKY-11, N8CALL-12, N8CALL-10, JI1LLJ-7, W0ISU-10, CS7ACM-3, DB0KL-9, KK6HCS-12, KE0EWJ-11, MD2JED-11, KD9CVO-2, KD9CVO-1, TI2PMR-9, K6RPT-10, KF4OVF-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: ZS6SRC-11, EA4RKU-01, KE7RQW-9, KE7RQW-7, YOUCAL, TINYT-9, DF0HSA-2, DF0HSA-3, DC4AT-2, KE5HDN-11, KD2IVU, KG5EHQ, OE2DBL-11, KC9UKT-3, PU4NIK-11, K1623306, AETH31-1, AETH31-2, AETH31-9, KF5ZBW
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SQ1FTK-11, KG5HAN-11, KT5TK-11, SC2DIJ-1, KC3FOE, KD2HHE-1, DL2FX-11, M1SJE, AETH30-1, AETH30-2, N2JC-9, HB9FOF-11, RS9SG, KD0MSL-11, KM4MRH-11, KW4OBF, SV1NJX-11, KC0D-11, KG7JUW-6, KG7JUW-5
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: GAS-3, GAS-9, GAS-8, IK3CYN-11, KB9LTH-11, K3DMF, KC2DIJ-2, KF5PGW-9, KF5PGW-8, KF5PGW-1, KF5PGW-3, KF5PGW-5, KF5PGW-4, KF5PGW-7, KF5PGW-6, DL0TTM-1, LU1DZL-11, KK6MIR-11, K7BYI-6, OE5HCE-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KD2EAT-10, STBUG2-1, OH6VHF-3, UCDAV1-11, KDEPE-10, VK2MRW, DC1MAK, IW7EHF-5, KC9LHW-11, DC2EH-16, DC2EH-15, WD4STH-12, EA7IHT-11, SP6VGB-11, KF7ZFJ-2, LZ1IGI-11, N2VQJ-11, K0SCC-11, KM4JQF, F5KAV-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KG7NJU, BLNTME-1, APHAX0, KJ4NSR-11, KG5JFN-11, KE5VSH-1, KD9EAF-11, K5ARB-1, KD9AUK-4, KD0PAW-11, WD0FCK-11, WD0FCK-12, OM3KEG-11, EA2EEL-11, LZ1AAV-11, KB3WMI-9, KE8AMH-11, KG7HIZ-11, JF-11, W8MHS-4
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: W8MHS-1, KG7TMT-11, KF7LKI-12, M0UPU-11, VK2BDX-2, KB9UFO-11, WP4NJQ-11, XNA0-11, SQ5AZK, UAH007, LA2ASA, CHANGE-11, DM1JZ, EA5URA-11, KC3DIJ-1, AETH28-10, KM4DDY-12, LATERNE, W7UQ-6, SQ5OMQ
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: Q9UVI-11, OZ5DZL-9, KF5FPX-11, KJ6RVG-2, F11NBE, KB1HHK-11, KD5UMO-6, VE4JPI, VK4LMK-11, PY3JRT-11, W0WYX, W3EAX-9, KC2DIJ-9, VE6LAU-10, KF5WYX-11, KK6KFC, KG5GRO, K4613562, KC1DME-11, KA7NSR-7
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: N2JAC-9, BV5AB-III, GAS-10, GAS-12, KE0FYF-11, DN4GB-11, KI6RC-11, DL1NBR-14, KK4PCM-11, DC2EH-2, DC2EH-8, DC2EH-5, DC2EH-7, KC3DWT, DK3SB-8, EA2005-9, VA2RMG-10, KD7MS-4, SP9SKP-3, SP9SKP-2
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SP6AN-11, KC2DIF-1, HS1JAN-11, SQ3ODN-7, KJ4TOK-9, KM4JIE-11, K3713556, KJ6YXG-13, KG5FRM-10, KB0SIS-11, dh2op-11, KF7RCV-11, DL0MES, KD4BFP-8, KE0BMD, K3833779, K6RPT-11, KB1KVR, ZS6POT-11, KK6SVZ-1
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: VK4BW-11, DK0AIS-11, JI1MCU-11, DG0CCO-11, KD0AWK-12, KK4NSF-11, KE8AKG-11, K3434326, KP4AW-11, KI4QCQ-11, KA7NSR-6, K16NTH-7, JE6OTP-11, KK6IVY-1, DJ0FET-5, KJ6YXG-8, J2314405, KF6RFX-2, KF6RFX-3, OE6PWE-8
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: K3SWE-1, KJ6TLZ-1, J2314289, KD0PGM-2, KB1NJW-11, CWXXX-11, K0843823, KA7NSR-13, KK6PUZ-1, VE3HHZ, KB3ZZI-9, SQ2MMS-11, KG5FRM-3, KG5FRM-7, KG5FRM-8, KG6VWA-11, KF5YVS, KB8PVR-3, SQ5IZJ-11, DO2FKL-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KK6SVF-11, DG4LX-11, 9W2NSU-11, KK4VJY, IK2XKF-7, BV2DQ-7, KB1WED-1, KI6GTA-7, KG7RXR-11, DB0JKG-11, KG5CA-11, WB8ELK-15, WB8ELK-11, N9UX-11, W0NSV-11, KC8SIR-1, DK0TU-12, SQ6OMN-0, KK7TN-4, KD7ICN-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: DL1NER-11, K2813290, KK6UWV-7, DH3SUP-11, OZ6AHK, PY2UEP-11, KE9CIF-11, KF7YAF, KD4STH-12, VE5MMG-4, KD8WJT, KD0PGM-11, KC1DEO-11, SP9KN-11, KB0MC-3, KM4FSW-11, DG4SEX-11, K2813562, DB2EH-11, 0MES
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SP9SCO-8, W9YJ-11, KC5DVJ-7, ZS6ERB-11, EA7URC-11, N5YML-7, K5GTO-11, 3D12S-11, SQ5NPS-11, KC9LIG-11, KD7YUR-11, SQ5KTM-11, ZS6SRC-12, HOTAIR, KC9UKT-2, EA2002-7, EA2002-9, sq1fyb-11, ZS5LT-11, OZ6AHL
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: EA4FUF-11, LZ1DEV-11, KD2FZW-11, VK2BDX-11, KC0UUO-11, AIRCOR-51, K6STS-11, W9GSP-11, JO73982, KC9LHW, STBUG1-1, EA3IK-11, SQ7PFS-11, KD8TMY-11, M0XER-4, GAS-5, GAS-6, GAS-1, N7GZR-3, KC9UKT-10
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: F4GBV-11, KAPVYQ-1, K4543224, AD7ZJ-11, KE5VSH-2, KK6SDN-11, ABC123-1, N8CALL-3, N8CALL-9, SA6CCS, EA2EIH-11, J0723918, KD2IED-11, KC2xIJ-1, KB0TVJ-10, N0MPM-11, AE0SS-13, K3243185, KE8AFA-11, SP9UOB-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: VE2MJT-11, SP0FLY-11, FRA485-3, SP5NVX-12, KC1BLZ-9, OK1LHD-11, H27III-9, DK0LG-11, KE5GDB-7, KG5FRM-2, KG5FRM-1, KG5FRM-6, KG5FRM-4, KG5FRM-9, EA2CCC-7, N8ERF-2, N8ERF-1, JA5RA-12, CT2JVS, DN2WR
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: XNAO-11, OZ4AGN-1, F6IPO-11, KF4OVF-2, AETH28-3, AETH28-2, NG5A-5, AETH28-1, AETH28-4, VA2EM-10, KF5IZV-10, ZS6COG-11, XE1TRY-11, SQ5NAF-11, K2GXT-11, AGGIE2, EA2003-3, PD0ACZ-11, W1DOW-1, JI1IAZ
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KC3DDW-11, K1AMO, SP6VWX-11, EA2EIH-7, KD0NMG-11, KQ6YPQ, KG7QED-1, AIRCOR-61, X0013-11, TH-9, OK1RPL-11, KD0GDM, KD0ZTV-5, KD0ZTV-3, KD0ZTV-4, DK9AK-11, KC5DVJ-4, KD2RED-11, KF7RHV-11, AIRCOR-2
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SP6AN, OZ2CLJ-11, HB9HLI-11, KG5BSV, UAH011, DK5UG, W3ADO-11, TEST77-1, ZS6MDV-3, W5LCY-7, ZS6VOL-9, VK3BKI-11, KK4QIN-11, OE5DRL-9, 9W2JEK-5, K2814136, VE4SHS-8, X00X7-11, SP9MLI-11, LZ1BGA-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SQ9RHT, KF7FER-11, W0VOL-11, SA7AXO, W2SO, KC9VVJ-11, K6LCM-11, SP3PJE-11, OK1LCD-11, J2313652, DM5MB-15, J3233836, KC5UFS-11, N4CAP-11, VENUS1-2, KD0VHS, KC9YMN-1, KC9YMN-4, KE7IGH-10, K2734440
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: CS5PBA-11, 1LOL, PE2G-11, KG7MLH, KC3EJD-11, I-VIEW311, KG7INH, J3233438, F4EMY-12, MINERV-11, N8CALL-2, L1946085, W7ZUR-11, DO3OCM-11, KC5WIF-9, DC1SF-1, OZ1UFO-9, KD8OOI, KD9CWC-11, J43VHF-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KC2AIJ-1, YO4SJI-11, N1ME-11, KD8WUE-11, YOUCID, DH1BBO, KD0HIP-7, ALNTME-1, K6WRH-11, W7ASU-2, UCDAV2-11, KF5UEF-11, VE3YDN-9, KC8UCH-11, KC2DII-1, WZC-12, KK6PNN-2, IK3CY4-11, DK0OD-11, W8MHS-9
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KK6AIN-4, BV5AC-11, DJ3AK-11, CCR-11, J2313560, KE0EAC, BALFR1-11, SQ6SFN-O, SQ3DHO-11, KC9URZ-1, OM1ATS-11, SV1BGR, KM4EFW-11, 4STH-7, K2ZRO-9, N0NQN-11, VK6KCH-11, XOO25-11, DG9IS, OH6VHF-1
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: EA4GOQ-1, KF7ZFJ-1, LZ2WIN-11, KM4JIE, OE6PWE-9, KI6UBK-11, WB2LJK-10, KG7TMT-9, KK4PHP, 9A3GLO-11, KG5BFY-3, AE5JY-9, 9A1CBV, NW1X-11, N2NXZ-10, W4SMT, HB9FKC, DC2EH-1, W1YA-11, N8CALL-14
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KF5POS-11, K4UAH-11, NM5SS-6, N9UMJ-3, WXJO73982, K5ARB-11, K5ARB-10, EA4JM-11, O2HERO-1, VA6TNY-12, VE6TS-7, SR05-11, WP4POG-2, SQ3MQD-11, WB0URW-12, KE0DZX, DG9IS-11, DL1VV-2, KM4JQF-11, KK0UWV-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: K3243163, DL4MDW-12, WB2LJK-11, VK5EI-11, KG7KTB, UAHB05, WB8ELK-14, VE4SHS-15, KA1CNF-11, KJ4TOK-11, K3353087, SP5RZP-11, KC2BIJ-1, KC2EIJ-1, KG7QED, NT4BG-12, KM4DRI-11, VK2HAB-9, SP10LOT, KK6NVH-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: DK0TUI-11, ATSAT-1, ATSAT-3, ATSAT-2, ATSAT-5, ATSAT-4, KD0AWK, KD0AWk, KE4ERF-11, KD0MVU, VK3BKI, KK4KDA-11, J4633353, KD0NGV-11, KC9QCD-10, W0ISU-6, W0ISU-9, KG7NMO-11, AETH32-3, KB4ZOD-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KF5KUM, K9BIG-11, DL7AD-1, N8ERF, 4X6UB-11, KE0BMU-11, KG7SSH, KC5SFU-5, J4713537, BALLONS, YO4SJI, CT1GFQ, S59ABL-11, KF5KMP-8, AE7DM, STH-12, KC9UKT-1, ED1ZAR-11, KD9SPK-11, OH6EFY-9
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: VK2GG, SQ3NTQ-11, OH6VHF-2, SQ6OMN-O, SQ8DRQ-5, KC1DEX-11, KE7SYF-3, W8DES-8, KC0MSV-11, KD5GOM-11, KD9AFJ, KD4STH-9, KD4STH-8, KD4STH-7, SQ6OMN-7, KK6IIA, K8UMF-1, F5MVO-11, KE8AMI-11, KG6VTA-3
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KD6CXV-6, KC3EOK, KC1CVN-10, NL7TO-11, W7QO-8, UAHB06-11, YS1BBS-7, J2314574, DL4FLY-7, KF7LKI-11, W6VDC-12, DD1RK-10, AG6OQ, 4NHK-11, KD4BFP-9, R2AGQ-11, VK2HEK-11, DK3SB-10, KC8TPT-9, EA2EEL-14
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: iu2dxm-11, VE6JBJ-13, AETH32-4, AETH32-2, AETH32-1, PU2VLW-11, JL2QGJ-7, SONDA, F1TKE-11, KM4FSW-12, BAL253-11, DB1OFH-3, DB1OFH-2, HC2DIJ-1, KC0KBB-6, KD0TPR-1, DL1MX-11, AB6UI-11, E29AJP-1, KF7WII-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KT5TK-4, KE0BMD-1, PY2FG-11, VEBNC-12, K3353066, KF5OUQ, DK3SB-7, KM4JHT, M10, DD9ET-9, KE0DAU-11, W4SMT-11, W7ASU, VE3LNU-P, AETH49-4, KG7WPU-11, HB9AW-11, J2313156, JG6YCS-11, KJ4ZVJ
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: AE5JY-8, K9DMT-11, W7RMD-3, DJ1AN-11, KC9QCD-11, KD9CKX-11, ZR6LJK-3, VE7APF-10, VE5AA-11, N2NXZ-11, N2NXZ-12, KG5BFY-11, GC2DIJ-1, JG6AXB-B, KE7ROS-11, KJ6RVG-1, EA4RKU-11, K54STH-8, J2344014, N7ERU-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KE7IGH-13, KB1JLX, KK6KTY-11, DO2JMG-12, DO1NEW-11, SR0FLY-5, JO3PJQ-11, HS7YVB-5, DJ5SO-5, AA4IH-9, N8VRN, KB2VOT, J2314395, KC2DEJ-1, 8H385H-12, SQ6OXK-12, UAH-1, UAHB07-11, KD8SVI-11, KC2GIJ-1
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KJ4YZI-11, KD0GTK, WB8ELK-6, WB8ELK-3, KG7QDJ, KD9CWO-11, STTX1H-9, KC1DCX-11, VK6XT-11, W2KGY-12, KB1VGO-7, KE5QVG-11, KG7QLA-11, OM3BC-12, DK0TU-13, VK3HRA-12, PA3WEG-2, DO2EIM-11, J0723903, F11055
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SQ5NWH, KI6YMZ-11, DO6ZM-11, KC9OYJ-11, AETH31-8, VK3YT-12, VK3YT-10, K0843827, GCC, KC3DYS-12, KC3DYS-11, 14FRS, KJ4RSG-11, VE4SHS-9, VE4SHS-5, VE4SHS-6, VE4SHS-7, WD4CFN-11, CE3PCN-11, J4713520
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KC4DIJ-1, KA8HUZ-10, STH-8, KF5ZBY, DL3CM-15, W7ZUR-2, KG7OKP-11, KC9UKT-11, J0723876, KB5DMT-4, UAH013, UAH010, KE0FUL-12, MI0VIM-11, DO2EIM-9, DO2EIM-2, OE1FFS-11, KF5KMP-3, KF5KMP-6, KF5KMP-4
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SQ6DST-11, W5ADC-7, K3233740, KC3EKD-1, EA2CZO-11, M3VXJ-7, W7QO-7, DD7ET-9, KK4KRG-11, K4823003, WA2MJM-3, WA2MJM-1, N1RCA-11, FRA485-13, J4634376, KB1VDI-6, KC2tIJ-1, WLADEK69, DK0TU-11, KM4JFX-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KD9AUK-5, KK4ETE-11, VA6TNY-11, KE0CGK-11, 2EH-b4, KE0DZR-11, KC9UKT-7, KC9UKT-9, DO9HO-11, KK6PUZ-11, KC1CVN-11, KV4AC-11, W9YB-11, KK6BGR-11, EA2SW-11, KA5HND-1, KD0ZJF, DF0AIS-11, KJ6UXG-11, K1633162
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: K9BYT-11, VENUS1-1, DC2EH-4, EU1XX-11, JC2DIJ-1, LZ1LCD-9, KD0PFM-11, VE3OPP, F8DDE-7, KD9AIQ-12, VK3YT-9, VR2OT, LZ1DEV, AF5LI-11, K3243179, KD0WKW-11, 2E0EBR, VE6ATV-11, JA0GWB-8, FRA199-3
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: AETH31-10, KC9YCR, EA5HYC-9, N3NB, 9A3GVK-11, XC20, KK6aVY-1, SP5PAS-11, J2314401, UAHB09-11, KC1DPF, KC8YQL, WA2MJM-12, WA2MJM-11, KJ6RPF, KC5NXD-11, KF7VHP-6, KF7VHP-2, 9W2WIY-9, HK-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KC3BJG-11, N5JHH-B0, OZ5DZL, 9W2WIY-11, SP6VGB, KD5AIQ-11, WB9SA-11, KM4FFQ, N4EE-11, J2333543, DL7AD-14, DH6IAG, KG5FKB-11, KC9PON-11, KD0TRE-11, KD7MS-2, Zl2IC-2, KE0BVB-11, KE8AFA, W0ISU-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: 4x6ub-11, N2JAC-11, VE3MW-11, DAD680, K3CAM-11, KC8SIR, KF5KMP-9, 756PON-11, KB1FDE, BX1AD-11, J2323111, K4014187, KE7SYF-2, K6NPS-1, LZ1KNB-11, KD5UMO-8, HB9HFJ-11, BV2DQ-14, KD9EAH-11, W6SCE-15
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KC1DIJ-1, K5LSU-11, J2314363, W6FSS-1, K4MSU-11, N6IGM-1, VE5AA-12, KD0AWK-14, KD0AWK-8, EA3RDG-11, EA3RDG-12, KK6QVY-1, W5YW-11, SQ6RQV-11, K0HK-11, HB9FDK-10, VK2HAB-11, VK2HAB-12, CT4BB-11, OM3KAA-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: AA0WD-11, VENUS1-3, VENUS1-5, VENUS1-4, VE3REX-11, N2NXZ-8, N2NXZ-9, KM4JIE-1, KK6IIE, KC3EMR-11, KE7BQV-9, KD8CJT-11, KD8CJT-12, K4613533, KD9CFC-2, KC1DEQ-11, KK6ZXH-11, DO2JMG-11, KA7NSR-15, KD2IMA
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: VE7GM, DL7AD-10, K6NPS-5, BV2DQ-12, KF5PGW-11, W5VWD-11, KD9ADV-11, DJ5SO-11, KD9DEJ-11, KB1YTY, J4634379, KD0PAW-1, KC3EMR-12, ZS6COG-12, KE7BCY, DO2EIM-1, KF5RGX-11, K4543091, WB8ELK-4, SP5QWK-11
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: W3EAX-11, DJ9VF-11, TRACK-6, DO6SOM-8, K4014212, KI4PQA-11, DL7AD-12, L1946088, KG7IXX-11, KJ4TDM-1, L1946116, KC2DIL-1, W2CXM-11, N7RXE-11, TE1LEO-11, NV2Z-11, HB9FDK-11, DN2WR-7, EA4CZ-11, W7ASU-1
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: G1VQV-5, KC9YMN, HB3YNQ-7, OM2AMR-11, EA4GKQ-11, F1DMG-11, KF6RFX-11, X00X9-11, NA9VY-11, DK3SB-11, KE8CIF-11, DC2EH-12, IU8ALR-5, SQ6RMA-12, KE5QVG-12, EA5IIO-11, FRA199-10, ECDYM-1, N2NXZ-3, KG7OKP-12
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: DL7AD-2, SQ3DWI-11, KC3FBT-11, FRA199-5, KM4DDY-11, KB1YOR, SP3JAB-12, M0SBU-11, OK1RPL-10, N8CALL-4, KD7MS-1, KF5PGW-12, KC1EAI-11, VE2EKL-11, PY2GN-11, JQ6ONP-11, DL0PTB-11, 1DC2EH-7, KD2HEQ-11, DC2EH-14
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KC9QOV-11, SP6IZU-11, SR06-11, K4434276, VK3YT-11, KI66BK-11, WB0SXC, KD2ANM, DM1JZ-1, KM4MRL-11, SP7DDY-11, NG5A-3, HB9FDK-15, K4733266, K4553387, KG6VTA-11, DK3SB-9, BV2DQ-9, PU5PEP-11, SQ3DWI-13
[15:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KD0VYQ-1, WB8ELK-1, KG7VCK-11, N8CALL-11, AIRCOR-1, DO6SOM-11, KC2DHJ-1, KG6VRA-11, DL9BQ-11, PU4VLT-11, VE6TS-11, DL2OAQ-11, DL4MDW-11, F4EMY-11, EG1CVS, KJ4CQQ-11, GAS-4, SP2OFP-11, EA3FCA-11, K4553669
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: W5ADC-11, ON6LS-11, KD4BFP-11, K6GLS-11, KJ6NKA, WP4POG-3, OM3BC-11, MARS-2, ZS6SRC-13, KE5LWQ-13, RZ3AZT-11, K2JJI-11, HB9FDK-14, XOOX25-11, KB4ZOD-12, Kz6YXG-11, KB8BKZ-9, 13RF188-5, W9UVI-11, VA6YME-1
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KF5IZV-11, KB8BKZ-8, VE2ESM-11, W0ZC-12, JH1HFE-13, DK6GB-11, K5UTD-11, HB9FDK-2, VA2GKA-11, PY4ZBZ-12, W8DES-7, DC2EH-11, HB9FDK-4, SP9UOB-12, DL3AKB-11, W6TS, KD2JED-11, WB8ELK-2, F1JRN-9, OK1LPD-13
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: PU3XGS-11, PY2SM-11, HB9FDK-12, BV2DQ-6, SQ5NWI-15, K1RR-11, VK4YOI-11, DL7AD-13, WB1SAR-11, SQ3DWI-12, DK0PT-11, BAL254-11, KG6VTM-11, PY2PE-11, HB9FDK-3, KG7ALB-11, PP1AR-11, N4XWC-1, K4UAH-12, W8DES-6
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KI6VBK-11, DAD680-5, KD7YYH-9, KM4DDY-13, OE5DRO-RS, KA7NSR-8, PE1PTP, N4IP-11, SQ8KGB-11, BV2DQ-11, WB0SXC-11, KV7VGJ, K9MQ-11, AB1JC-11, DL2OAQ-12, KC1EAJ-11, GJ6YXG-11, SP3OSJ-12, DJ1AN-13, K6RPT-12
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: JH5CQX-9, W3EAX-10, HABALL, KD0ZTV-1, SQ3HLZ-11, HB9IAC-11, SP6SG-10, N0C4LL-1, KC2DIJ-1, NG5A-2, KD9AIQ-11, CMAKER, W9RGT-5, DC2EH-13, NM5SS-1, L1946098, PU5WRF-11, OZ2CLJ-1, HB9FDK-1, SQ4AFR-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: K4TCP-11, KJ69XG-11, K4014171, L1943746, MJ6YXG-11, KO2DIJ-1, IK8SUT-11, HJ6YXG-11, KG5AO-11, W0ZC-13, HB9FDK-13, FRA199-1, W9RGT-4, SP3JAB-14, AD4GN-11, SP5MG-11, KD9CKX-9, PU2OAL-11, KD5UMO-7, WD9HFT-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KK6PNN-1, BG7YAM-5, KC1EML-11, N2JAC-1, CX1AA-11, KD2EAT-11, KE0EWJ, LU7FDV-11, DH7JC-11, SP5RZP, AD4GP-11, FRB001-1, NN5RR-11, HG8PSL-11, L1946110, KB1YOF-11, W7QO-9, SO3RTY-11, KC3GDP-1, SQ6RMA-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KK4POC-11, X00X3-11, W5NAC-11, SR0FLY-11, KJ6Y8G-11, KJ6YXG-11, W9MOK-2, VA2EM-11, KB1YTM-11, SP3PDK-12, AGGIE-3, AGGIE-1, DO9BAU-11, SQ6OXF-11, KG4OBF, N8ERF-11, K67RH-7, N1YIP-11, PU5NEN-11, SV1BYK-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: PY2RN-11, SP2KMH-11, DL0CRE-11, KC9ZMJ-11, KA7NSR-14, AG6SC-12, SP6NVB-12, KD7MS-3, SP6NVB-11, 9W2ORB-9, PU2KVA-11, KC2HIJ-1, 9W2BPA-9, W0ZC-11, KD5STH-9, KE0FUL-11, JA5RA-5, K4253280, K5KTF-8, M0RPI-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: OZ1ZOR-11, N6DVR-11, KE5GDB-11, SR0FLY, KE0BMV-11, CX2SC-11, VA7GL, KK6UDN-1, KA7NSR-9, N7ERU-12, KE5RJJ-11, DG4AM-10, AE0SS-12, SQ5AM-11, SP7DDY-9, SJ6YXG-11, SQ3LLH-11, DL1NBR-15, SP3WWD-11, PY5GY-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: VA6BER-11, KC9QBK-6, K7GPS-11, SQ9UU-11, W8MHS-11, MARS-3, JA5RA-10, VE2WMG-11, SP3JAB-13, F0XXX-12, 2E0EBR-10, KM4OFC-6, IGATE1, K5013435, KI4NHK-11, OK1LOL-11, W7UQ-3, KD2BBW-1, EA2EEB-11, DJ1AN-12
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: 9A3GLO, SP4KKM-11, XE1BRX-11, KJ6iXG-11, KB4RSM, KK6UWf-11, DL1NBR-13, DG4YGO-12, KA5AHS-1, OE5DRO-11, DO4BM-11, SQ2DK-11, W1DMA-11, SK6UWV-11, NM5SS-10, KD9AUK-11, DC2EH-6, SQ3HLZ-12, OK1JRA-11, KK6UOV-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SQ9NFI-11, DL1NBR-12, CE3PCN, KK7TN-3, OK1LPD-11, WB8ELK-5, KJVYXG-11, CS7ACM-11, DM2HB-11, VE2ZDK-11, KE0FYF, OZ2CPU-9, IU2DXM-11, DG4GAO-11, RA4NHZ-9, SQ7PFS-5, 1DC2EH-11, L1943101, PY5LUI-11, SQ1FYB-12
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: KD8TDF-11, KK4PAS-11, JG6YCR-11, KK6UWV-8, SQ9RHT-11, SQ9NFI-12, KC3DEJ-11, SP5IZJ-11, KK6UWV-11, KG5KNM-11, WP4POG-4, KK6MFT-11, KJ6YXG-7, SQ3PJN-11, PY2RN-7, N1CALL-11, SQ9RHX-11, K7GPS-12, SP3JAB-11, DG1SUL-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: DM2HB-12, DN4BAS-12, WP4POG-1, SQ5AAG-11, DC4AT-11, SP9AMG-11, VE6LAU-11, PY4ZBZ-11, DL6JOS-11, JE6WWZ-11, NOEL, EA5HYC-11, SP3VAT-11, KD9CVO-3, KD0SCM, PY3MO-11, DN4BAS-11, SQ5RZP-11, SQ9SIM-11, DF2ET-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: DL2OAQ-13, 9A6AIB-11, DL5BQ-11, SQ1FYB-11, SQ6OMN-12, KK4SSY-11, LZ1SAT-11, OE5VIP-11, SQ9RHX-12, AGGIE-2, SQ1FTK-12, ZS1JEN-11, W0RC-12, N712NC, K0DCW-12, K2ZRO, JA5RA-4, BG7THH-7, DG4GAO-9, 2E0EBR-4
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: OK1LPD-12, DG4YGO-11, PU5PBT-11, PY5LF-11, DK3RS-11, SQ6SFN-11, EA5DOM-11, PU5PEP-12, VA2RMG-11, SQ5NWI-14, DL2BWO-11, DL1NBR-11, DO9BAU-12, KE0GIQ-11, SQ6ODL-11, DB1OFH-11, SP3PDK-11, SQ3JPV-11, EA4GNP-11, SQ2ODE-11
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe_____: Recent balloons: SQ3DVQ-11, CT2KAZ-11, SQ6OMN-11, SP9JKL-11
[15:14] <mattbrejza> erm
[15:14] <daveake> spambot
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[15:19] #highaltitude: mode change '+o Upu' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[15:19] Joe_____ kicked from #highaltitude by Upu: spamming
[15:20] <Upu> bit late but hey ho
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[15:21] <mattbrejza> not sure it was joe's fault
[15:21] <Upu> no thats why I didn't ban
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[15:23] <lz1dev> .aprs list-bal
[15:23] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Error: list index out of range
[15:23] <lz1dev> wut
[15:23] <daveake> I think it'd be much better if that particular bot replied to use not the list
[15:23] <daveake> user
[15:23] <lz1dev> you are supposed to give it a integer argument
[15:23] <lz1dev> to how many hours back it should look
[15:24] <lz1dev> without it, you get a list of all ballons
[15:24] <lz1dev> ever
[15:24] <mattbrejza> we noticed lol
[15:25] <Upu> on misread that sorry
[15:25] <Upu> apologies to jo
[15:25] <Upu> was the bot
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[15:25] <Upu> sorry Joe__
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[15:28] <Joe__> !aprs
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe__: Tracking via APRS: 03DK3SB-10, 03DK3SB-8, 03KD5ZPL-11, 03KD9DBI-11, 03KG5KNM-11, 03M0SBU-11 10(UBSEDS13), 03M0UPU-7, 03M0UPU-8, 03M0UPU-9, 03SP3OSJ-12, 03VK3YT-11
[15:30] <Joe__> !aprs add DL3AKB-11
[15:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe__: You need to be an admin to do that.
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[15:41] <Upu> !aprs add DL3AKB-11
[15:41] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Added 03DL3AKB-11 to APRS Importer
[15:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XE2NL - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XE2NL
[15:45] <SM0ULC-Reb> Upu: is it about to fly?
[15:46] <Upu> no idea
[15:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd4bfp-car - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd4bfp-car
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[17:34] <Laurenceb_> lol I hadnt seen this
[17:34] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jlzQq3nOj5c
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[17:51] <SpeedEvil> hah
[17:52] <Laurenceb_> I was looking at personal high temperature hot air airship
[17:52] <Laurenceb_> using high temperature multifoil
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> like the flock stuff
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> https://www.festo.com/rep/en_corp/assets/pdf/Iso_Ballon_en.pdf
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> you mean to avoid the use of gas?
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> yes
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[17:54] <SpeedEvil> It's a pity scaling rather sucks
[17:54] <Laurenceb_> not too much
[17:55] <Laurenceb_> say 7m diameter, 30m long
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> yeah - fine as long as you're tooling down the sky.
[17:55] <Laurenceb_> gives ~220kg lift
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[17:56] <SpeedEvil> Having enough control authority to push 30*7m sideways on landing is fun.
[17:57] <Laurenceb_> well if the shape could be optimised the drag coefficient is <0.02
[17:58] <Laurenceb_> so with a 50hp engine itd do 80mph
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[17:59] <Laurenceb_> ~20mpg equivalent including the burner
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[18:00] <SpeedEvil> Oh - sure.
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying it won't work great in still air
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> Or indeed in consistent winds.
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[18:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0AWK-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-8
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: At that point though, aren't you pretty much at the performance of a PIper Cub or something?
[18:02] <Laurenceb_> yes lol
[18:03] <Laurenceb_> http://www.cameronballoons.com/products/airships
[18:03] <Laurenceb_> just seems you can get much better performance than those things using multifoil, an interesting idea
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[18:08] <Laurenceb_> looks like its been done
[18:08] <Laurenceb_> http://www.gefa-flug.de/files/luftschiff_6sitzer.png
[18:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC9QBK-6 after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9QBK-6
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[18:32] <Laurenceb_> oh wow this exists http://smallblimps.lefora.com/
[18:36] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vbGYRsDgJxs
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> you should totally get them to fund you for your cargo one.
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[19:00] <Laurenceb_> http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/attachments/aircraft-design-aerodynamics-new-technology/24892d1372436666-russians-ultra-light-airships-16283_original.jpg
[19:03] <DL7AD> good evening
[19:03] <DL7AD> has anybody tried to communicate with the ublox modules by I2C?
[19:04] <DL7AD> i wanna know opinions about communicating with the ublox modules via I2C
[19:04] <Laurenceb_> yes
[19:04] <Laurenceb_> it works
[19:04] <DL7AD> because i feel it very unreliable
[19:04] <Laurenceb_> you need to read a buffer
[19:04] <Laurenceb_> data goes into an internal buffer, you can read out the number of byte remaining and then grab some
[19:04] <DL7AD> yes
[19:04] <DL7AD> right
[19:05] <Laurenceb_> you have to be careful not to let it overwrite itself
[19:05] <DL7AD> but what i experience. even if the lock LED blinks, it still tells me over the protocol that it dont has any lock
[19:06] <Laurenceb_> oh
[19:06] <Laurenceb_> iirc there is a configuration you need to enable
[19:06] <Laurenceb_> hmm it might not be possible to use i2c alone, depends on the module
[19:06] <Laurenceb_> actually no
[19:07] <DL7AD> MAX module
[19:07] <Laurenceb_> if you can talk to it over i2c you should be able to configure
[19:07] <Laurenceb_> yeah you will need to enable data over i2c iirc
[19:07] <DL7AD> yes does work agree
[19:07] <Laurenceb_> otherwise it wont arrive at the i2c
[19:07] <DL7AD> wait
[19:07] <DL7AD> i do get data
[19:07] <DL7AD> but unreliable
[19:07] <Laurenceb_> hmm it might still be misconfigured
[19:08] <DL7AD> i can read a fix out of the protocol
[19:08] <Laurenceb_> what is you update rate?
[19:08] <DL7AD> 1fix/s
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[19:08] <Laurenceb_> ah ok
[19:08] <Laurenceb_> I had issues at like 10hz with reliability over i2c
[19:08] <Laurenceb_> but i was running it well over spec
[19:08] <DL7AD> if often blinks but tells me at the same time over i2c that it has no lock
[19:08] <Laurenceb_> the rtos was probably failing to cope with processor load
[19:08] <AlvaroPelon> Hi, does anyone have a AFSK PACKET example for arduino?
[19:08] <AlvaroPelon> Please
[19:09] <DL7AD> AlvaroPelon: yes
[19:09] <Laurenceb_> DL7AD: do you ever get valid position over i2c?
[19:09] <DL7AD> Laurenceb_ yes
[19:09] <Laurenceb_> this is very odd then
[19:09] <AlvaroPelon> DL7AD: Wich one?
[19:09] <Laurenceb_> sorry I don't know, havent seen this one
[19:10] <DL7AD> AlvaroPelon: https://github.com/tkrahn/pecanpico4 see modem.cpp ax25.cpp and aprs.cpp
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> I used an aerlier module, and i2c worked reliably once I used the correct configuration fro ucenter
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> *from
[19:10] <DL7AD> Laurenceb_ ok
[19:10] <AlvaroPelon> Thanks
[19:10] <DL7AD> hm
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> could it be related to clock stretching?
[19:11] <DL7AD> clock stretching?
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> I know the Rpi people cant make ublox work over i2c for that reason
[19:11] <DL7AD> Laurenceb_: but piinthesky also uses i2c
[19:12] <DL7AD> Upu: doe it?
[19:12] <Laurenceb_> weird.. I dont know then
[19:12] <DL7AD> does it?
[19:13] <DL7AD> weired
[19:16] <Upu> bit banged I2C I believe
[19:16] <Upu> daveake can confdirm
[19:16] <DL7AD> Upu: eh?
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> bit banged to avoid the clock stretch issue
[19:17] <daveake> yes i2c in software
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> DL7AD: I'd read the config from pi in the sky source then
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> I just using ucenter to get the right config
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> *used
[19:18] <DL7AD> how does this bitbanging work?
[19:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[19:18] <daveake> just follows the i2c spec (better than the pi cpu does ...) using regular gpio pins
[19:19] <DL7AD> daveake: thats what im doing
[19:19] <daveake> or at least it works correctly with clock-stretching at arbitrary times, which the Pi doesn't
[19:19] <Laurenceb_> DL7AD: I'd check your config
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[19:21] <DL7AD> I#m confused. is this bitbanging i2c specific or ublox specific?
[19:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[19:23] <DL7AD> @Upu
[19:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:28] <Laurenceb_> it'll be due to Rpi issues
[19:30] <DL7AD> yes i will try this
[19:46] <daveake> It's not ublox-specific, no
[19:46] <daveake> clock-stretching is a normal i2c thing
[19:47] <daveake> pi handles it partially
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[19:48] <BigBadBen> evening all
[19:48] <BigBadBen> I have a question about my radio signal in SDR sharp.
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[19:50] <BigBadBen> I'm transmitting a brief pulse, captured it and took a look in Audacity. One one transmitter I get a nice clean square wave. On the other (an MTX2) I get a sinusoid ringing on the 'high' parts. Why might this be?
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Are they different types of transmitter ? If so which is the other type ? Can you put up a screen shot of the waveforms ?
[19:52] <BigBadBen> On a short pulse (circa 400micro secs) the ringing looks pretty uniform, but on a longer pulse (1000+ micro secs) the ringing attenuates towards the middle of teh pulse and then amplifies again to the end? Could it be my antenna?
[19:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not impossible but very unlikely.
[19:53] <BigBadBen> I have an image, but where should I put it?
[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> 400uS is a very short pulse for a Tx designed for audio transmissions.
[19:53] <daveake> Is this pulse modulating the transmitter, or switching it on/off ?
[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> put the images on imgur od similar and link to it here
[19:53] <BigBadBen> switching
[19:54] <BigBadBen> I enable the MTX and then toggle the Tx pin.
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[19:54] <Evidlo> Do you have to use bell202 to use the APRS system?
[19:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well yes thats the specification!!
[19:55] <daveake> and does this ringing start after the enabling or the Tx switch ?
[19:55] <BigBadBen> tx switch
[19:57] <BigBadBen> brb...
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[20:12] <Evidlo> Hmm, so I need to make a bell202 modem, and I'm on the fence between using an attiny85 or a PLL
[20:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes or use a modem chip
[20:14] <Evidlo> Would 1 modem require 2 PLL devices?
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[20:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Evidlo, Not sure I understand what your thinking of see ftp://ftp.tapr.org/projects/picdev/datasheets/db614-2.pdf
[20:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> or for ideas ftp://ftp.tapr.org/projects/picdev/datasheets/73k302l.pdf
[20:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> here is a design for an ATtiny10 https://sites.google.com/site/wayneholder/attiny-4-5-9-10-assembly-ide-and-programmer/bell-202-1200-baud-demodulator-in-an-attiny10
[20:22] <Evidlo> Yes I'm looking at that now. That was my original inspiration
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[20:46] <AlvaroPelon> Anyone has another AX25 AFSK transmitting on arduino?
[20:46] <AlvaroPelon> Examples
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[20:55] <Upu> Dave Akermans Flextrack
[20:56] <Upu> https://github.com/daveake/FlexTrack
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[20:56] <AlvaroPelon> another one please
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[21:03] <daveake> trackuino
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[21:09] <Laurenceb_> http://s16.postimg.org/ni7lhujv9/ff_hovercraft_f.jpg
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> hoverboard
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> well
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> 2.93 years have been some time
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> and that for about 2 h of flight
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> well :)
[21:14] <daveake> Lunar_Lander All set for Tuesday?
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[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:19] <daveake> :)
[21:19] <craag> Got some pics of the payload Lunar_Lander ?
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDaW5rT092WXp3Q3M/view?usp=sharing
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDaUVsVUVNemhFdnM/view?usp=sharing
[21:26] <craag> Flight computer board hidden on the left there?
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDc0Nkb3IxejAyYlE/view?usp=sharing not a final configuration
[21:27] <SM0ULC-Reb> evening
[21:27] <craag> How are you holding the boards, stopping them shorting out on each other?
[21:27] <SM0ULC-Reb> Lunar_Lander: interesting design of payload :)
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> thansk :)
[21:28] <craag> Yeah remember to keep wires away from that gps antenna if possible
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> craag, we applied hot glue to all the parts where something could short out and also by now we managed the wires a bit more
[21:29] <craag> :)
[21:29] <craag> Just checking you've thought of it :)
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1lke6hPHKJDZXZiLVoxZTE3WVU/view?usp=sharing antenna
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[21:32] <SM0ULC-Reb> Lunar_Lander: up & down flight i guess? :)
[21:32] <craag> Remember to put the straw sticking out under the camera
[21:33] <craag> So we know it's real ;)
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:37] <SM0ULC-Reb> Lunar_Lander: D-9 is yours?
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[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> no, it's from DL7AD
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[21:45] <SM0ULC-Reb> right
[21:46] <SM0ULC-Reb> too late here, good night!
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[22:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hr_v_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hr_v_chase
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[22:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[22:57] <Ian_> Lunar_Lander Gaffa Tape for the batteries in the final config, to stop them popping out?
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> good idea :)
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[23:00] <Ian_> I actually expected you to say 'of course' . . . I'll try to follow your flight.
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[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> I wanted to see what happens if I say something else :)
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[23:17] <Ian_> Then I would get you mixed up and call you Sven, instead of Kevin :)
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:48] <Laurenceb_> picoarmicurrrr
[23:48] <Laurenceb_> http://www.skylighter.com/images/newsletter/118/Flag-Lantern-Flight-b.jpg
[23:49] <fsphil> I think it's illegal in the US not to have at least 1 flag in all photos
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[23:55] <daveake> Including hab photos
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