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[00:24] <Bazz_vk2dli> anyone here tracking PS-60?
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[00:40] <R34lB0rg> http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=5&qm=All&f=PS-60&q=PS-60
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[00:44] <Bazz_vk2dli> I have had 6 successful decodes in a row(VK2DLI) , dont expect to be able to hear PS-60 after next one - it is too low on horizion
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[00:56] <Laurenceb_> oh dear http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/01/31/2249238/france-to-pave-1000km-of-road-with-solar-panels
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[01:03] <amell> !aprs
[01:03] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Tracking via APRS: 03DK3SB-10, 03DK3SB-8, 03KD5ZPL-11, 03KD9DBI-11, 03KG5KNM-11, 03M0SBU-11 10(UBSEDS13), 03M0UPU-7, 03M0UPU-8, 03M0UPU-9, 03SP3OSJ-12, 03VK3YT-11
[01:05] <amell> do you think ubseds is ok and will make UK longitude?
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[01:17] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/listings/Luminary099/ERASABLE_ASSIGNMENTS.agc.html#314A41434352
[01:23] <amell> yeah, a lady wrote most of that.
[01:23] <amell> mary something
[01:25] <amell> laurenceb_: http://svtsim.com/moonjs/agc.html
[01:25] <amell> suggest you put apollo AGC emulator on your rockoon.
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[02:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03+56 9 7826 4918_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=%2B56%209%207826%204918_chase
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[05:53] <Oddstr13> !dial UBSEDS13
[05:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Oddstr13: Latest dials for 03UBSEDS13 10(ac0a): none
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[05:54] <Oddstr13> is it going to tx on APRS over norway?
[05:55] <Oddstr13> or was it contestia or some such?
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[06:38] <SM0ULC-R1b> morrn
[06:39] <SM0ULC-R1b> Oddstr13: i think it did usa aprs here
[06:39] <SM0ULC-R1b> Oddstr13: maybe right over you soonish :)
[06:41] <Oddstr13> so, 144.somethong
[06:42] <Oddstr13> I don't have software to decode aprs set up yet tho
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[07:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CLIFTON1 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLIFTON1
[07:04] <Vaizki> qtmm works..
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[07:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> Oddstr13: iirc ubseds using aprs and Contestia over Norway but only Contestia over Sweden, it should come in range of Norveigan aprs network tomorrow noon
[07:14] <Oddstr13> rather good coverage for aprs in norway iirc
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[07:19] <SM0ULC-R1b> I wonder why no APRS over Sweden..
[07:22] <R34lB0rg> guessing legal issues
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[07:23] <Odd^odroid> http://i.imgur.com/KD1fvYd.jpg I... should probably keep the monitor off.
[07:24] <SM0ULC-R1b> oh
[07:25] <Odd^odroid> also, imgur sucks. got any better alternatives?
[07:25] <SM0ULC-R1b> I have a noise old Samsung also. I run via VNC when the interference passes thing I wnat to listen to.
[07:25] <SM0ULC-R1b> Oddstr13: not really, gdrive?
[07:25] <Odd^odroid> yea, this is a AOC monitor
[07:26] <Odd^odroid> cheapest thing you can find that is a 24" HDMI, pretty much
[07:26] <Odd^odroid> but, yea, see what imgur did to my lovely PNG image :/
[07:27] <Odd^odroid> converted to jpg with like 70% compression :(
[07:27] <Odd^odroid> s/compression/quality/
[07:28] <Odd^odroid> I guess I'll just have to get around to rewriting my website, to allow for more generic image uploads :P
[07:29] <Odd^odroid> random screenshots kinda don't belong in my photo gallery ^^
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[07:30] <SM0ULC-R1b> :/
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[07:59] <Vaizki> what s wrong with imgur?
[08:00] <Vaizki> oh ok if you upload images that are over 5MB yes it will compress them
[08:01] <Vaizki> but I think if you create a imgur account (and don't do the upload anonymously), then they won't compress it
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[08:16] <Odd^odroid> Vaizki: was about 2MB I think, and a PNG file, not JPEG
[08:16] <Odd^odroid> did upload anon tho, so that might be it
[08:16] <Vaizki> hmmh yea try with a registered user
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[10:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-60 after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-60
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[10:15] <Vaizki> PS-60 refuses to leave :)
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[10:22] <R34lB0rg> ps-58 is amazing
[10:28] <SM0ULC-Reb> yepp
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[10:54] <fsphil> hah, it's scribbling over oz
[10:55] <daveake> Kangaroo HAB
[10:55] <daveake> er
[10:55] <daveake> reboot brain
[10:55] <fsphil> nearly lol
[10:55] <daveake> Boomerang HAB
[10:55] <fsphil> high altitude boomerang
[10:56] <daveake> need more caffeine
[10:56] <fsphil> I thought it should spin the other way
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[11:02] <gonzo_> only if someone has pulled the plug out
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[11:10] <SM0ULC-Reb> naah, it's just spinning up for a slingshot to the west
[11:15] <R34lB0rg> http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=-35.64007&lon=128.94619&zoom=4&type=terrain&units=metric&pin=Melbourne+VIC%2C+Australia&plat=-37.81411&plon=144.96328&tl.play=0&tl.spd=2&tl.dur=1&tl.frames=20&tl.mode=simple&groupSevere=1&groupHurricane=1&groupFire=1&groupCamsPhotos=1&groupRealEstate=1&eyedropper=0&drought=0&extremes=0&fault=0&favs=0&FemaFlood=0&fire=0&firewfas=0&fissures=0&fronts=0&hurrevac=0&hur=0&labels=0&lightning=0&livesurge=0&mm=1&mm.mdl=
[11:15] <R34lB0rg> GFS&mm.type=300&mm.hour=12&mm.opa=100&ndfd=0&rad=0&dir=1&dir.mode=driving&sst=0&sat=0&seismicrisk=0&svr=0&ski=0&snowfall=0&StateLines=0&stormreports=0&tor=0&tfk=0&tsunami=0&riv=0&wxsn=0&cams=0&pix=0&PrecipStart=0
[11:16] <R34lB0rg> sorry, didn't realize thats more than one line
[11:16] <R34lB0rg> looks like ps-58 is stuck between low pressure west and high pressure east
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[11:22] <fsphil> http://www.blitzortung.org/en/page_0/index.php?map=20
[11:23] <fsphil> there's been lots of lightning over the area in the last few days
[11:23] <fsphil> I doubt it would survive a pass over a thunderstorm
[11:27] <R34lB0rg> physics makes it avoid areas with raising air ;)
[11:28] <R34lB0rg> however it would be very interesting to launch from below a thunderstorm / low pressure are
[11:28] <R34lB0rg> if it survives the clouds it should reach more than average altitude
[11:28] <R34lB0rg> has anyone tried that?
[11:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> a pico would just fall back to earth, it would not survive 1 in a 1000 launches
[11:34] <R34lB0rg> I guess a pico had better chances of survival than a larger balloon
[11:34] <R34lB0rg> a double or triple hull would be advisable
[11:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> larger balloon would sugest a latex up/down fligt going +30000m not caring about wethar and winds at below 30000m
[11:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> last should be below 10000m where the wheter and wind is
[11:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> pico is like har to break throgh clodlayer an low winds
[11:37] <SA6BSS-Mike> damn cant write today, pico often have problem just breaking through thin cloudlayer
[11:37] <fsphil> the inside of a thunderstorm is quite a harsh place
[11:38] <fsphil> a little foil balloon would have no hope
[11:38] <fsphil> would be fun to try though, if it can be released and tracked safely
[11:38] <craag> A load of 100g latexes instrumented to the hilt would be cool though :)
[11:38] <fsphil> yeah
[11:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> it feels like youst breathing on a pico foil ballon so it gets humid is enught to strand it
[11:38] <fsphil> couldn't be done in NI, there are so few thunderstorms
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[11:39] <craag> I can't remember when we last had one here..
[11:40] <fsphil> there was some thundersnow nearby, but didn't reach me
[11:40] <fsphil> over the weekend
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[12:39] <fsphil> OT, www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2016/01281656-fun-with-a-new-data-set-change.html
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[12:45] <daveake> "Where are the stars? The moon is airless and the "sky" should be full of stars. So, why is it pitch black?" sigh
[12:46] <fsphil> that's on there?
[12:46] <daveake> comments
[12:46] <fsphil> urg
[12:47] <fsphil> it *is* full of stars. just underexposed :)
[12:47] <daveake> :-)
[12:47] <daveake> Someone explained that
[12:47] <fsphil> it's hard enough taking an image of stars at night
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[12:48] <chris_99> should have captured a HDR image ;)
[12:48] <daveake> :)
[12:48] <fsphil> internal reflections would probably still be brighter than the stars
[12:48] <R34lB0rg> everyone explaining and denying such things is part of the big conspiracy ;)
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[12:49] <fsphil> the lunar surface is quite dark though, so maybe
[12:53] <R34lB0rg> more interesting: the sky should be really full of stars, but most of them are so far away that their light will never reach us
[12:55] <fsphil> cue brian cox telling us we're all doomed
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[12:58] <R34lB0rg> the dinosaurs were doomed because they didn't have a space program
[13:00] <R34lB0rg> (conspiracy theories may claim that they left earth)
[13:05] <fsphil> also quite a bad episode of voyager
[13:05] <R34lB0rg> i liked that one
[13:06] <zuph> I'm sure a few did leave earth, with as much ejecta as must have been thrown up.
[13:07] <fsphil> bits of dinosaur might be on the moon and mars
[13:12] <zuph> As many as 2x10^12 >2cm diameter hunks, so it would seem: http://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0016-71692008000300005
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[13:40] <gonzo_> did they thank us for the fish before leaving?
[13:42] <R34lB0rg> most dinosaurs were vegetarian
[13:46] <fsphil> maybe that's why they died out
[13:47] <gonzo_> too much time spent tryinmg to find the vegi option on the menu?
[13:48] <kokey> whatever they ate, must have been high in carbohydrates
[13:49] <AndyEsser> morning
[13:49] <kokey> that's why we have fossil fuels
[13:49] <fsphil> afternoon
[13:49] <gonzo_> maybee they ate coal. Possibly they were pregnancy cravings?
[13:49] <Laurenceb> actually thats an interesting idea
[13:49] <fsphil> NO IT ISNT
[13:50] <Laurenceb> maybe dino dna could survive on the moon
[13:50] <Laurenceb> but I doubt it'd have enough energy to reach the moob
[13:50] <fsphil> I doubt it would survive the landing
[13:50] <fsphil> well, more impact than landing
[13:50] <zuph> I doubt it would have survived the ejection.
[13:51] <gonzo_> if the landing is as cluttered as mine, possibly not
[13:51] <zuph> But, the paper linked shows that a huge number of particles would have exceeded escape velocity. Most would eventually fall back on the earth, but some would inevitably end up on the moon.
[13:51] <gonzo_> early morning visits to the loo are a dangerous time
[13:51] <fsphil> gonzo_: at some point you just need to build a new floor over it
[13:52] <fsphil> pretend the mess never existed, and this floor was always oddly high
[13:52] <gonzo_> sedamentary layers.... Ah, then we have coal
[13:52] <zuph> I wonder what the subsurface temperatures on the moon are...
[13:54] <fsphil> pretty likely the apollo folk measured that
[13:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI868 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI868
[13:54] <fsphil> "The mean subsurface temperature at a depth of 1 m is approximately 252.4K"
[13:56] <fsphil> http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00562006
[13:56] <gonzo_> that would help long term habitation of the moon. No need for freezers.
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[13:56] <fsphil> you have to pay to read that
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[13:57] <fsphil> "Unfornatualy, the Apollo 16 heat flow experiment was rendered inoperative when an astronaut accidently tripped over one of the cables."
[13:57] <fsphil> yay manned space flight
[13:57] <AndyEsser> hahaha
[13:58] <gonzo_> which flight did they fry the camear?
[13:58] <fsphil> 12
[13:58] <gonzo_> 12?
[13:58] <gonzo_> snap
[13:58] <fsphil> accidently pointed it at the sun
[13:58] <AndyEsser> people are morons
[13:58] <AndyEsser> :)
[13:59] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBMAMO11e8
[13:59] <gonzo_> if that was the bigest mistake made it was prob nopt a bad flight
[14:00] <zuph> Neat. That's balmier than I would have thought.
[14:00] <fsphil> "found to vary from -24c at a depth of 18 inches, up to -16c at the base of the apollo 17 probe"
[14:01] <fsphil> nice mix of units there
[14:01] <AndyEsser> fsphil: guarantee the americans don't see a single thing wrong with that
[14:01] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35456557
[14:01] <Laurenceb> lol thrust curves
[14:01] <fsphil> hah yeah
[14:01] <Laurenceb> same motor I use for my spin system
[14:01] <fsphil> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jC07AAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA319&ots=ODclQUPodg&dq=lunar%20subsurface%20temperature%20apollo&pg=PA320#v=onepage&q=lunar%20subsurface%20temperature%20apollo&f=false
[14:03] <zuph> NASA loves mixing units: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLCMa8OXAAA_95h.png:large
[14:03] <fsphil> haha
[14:03] <AndyEsser> o good lord
[14:03] <AndyEsser> they have mixed units for the same damn measurement
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[14:18] <kokey> measured in centifeet and kilomiles?
[14:29] <zuph> Connector plating measured in Microinches is one that gets to me.
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[14:30] <russss> the apollo guidance computer did internal calculations in metric but the astronauts insisted it displayed values in imperial
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[14:38] <Flutterbat> and that was 50years ago...nothing changed :(
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[14:40] <russss> actually I read that in a book recently, but looking at the code I don't believe that fact to be strictly true
[14:41] <eroomde> russss: have you read the collected tindlegrams?
[14:42] <russss> hah yeah
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[14:45] <eroomde> for anyone else, http://tindallgrams.net/
[14:46] Action: AndyEsser reads
[14:46] <AndyEsser> this gun be good
[14:46] <eroomde> a fixer nasa parachuted in to try and get the computer and software for apollo working with mit who were not getting their act together
[14:46] <russss> http://tindallgrams.net/66-FM1-75 is the classic one
[14:46] <eroomde> his dispatches back to nasa are very funny
[14:46] <eroomde> but a good project managewr
[14:46] <eroomde> the quote on the front page roughly sets the tone
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[14:47] <AndyEsser> The ulcers one?
[14:47] <eroomde> yes
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[14:51] <fsphil> it's amazing it all came together
[14:52] <eroomde> absurdly so
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[15:07] <eroomde> just reading through a couple, one has a summary at the end: "Id like to make one final observation regarding the overall situation. Its probably terrible; I really dont know yet."
[15:07] <AndyEsser> ha
[15:08] <craag> :D
[15:12] <AndyEsser> might have something interesting in the works for my future HAB launches :)
[15:12] <AndyEsser> after I've done the maiden voyage(?) and tested my tracker and stuff works :)
[15:14] <craag> :)
[15:15] <craag> wish I could have used that quote the other weekend when people asked for launch eta :P
[15:15] <AndyEsser> hehe
[15:15] <AndyEsser> If I ever fly a payload I need to come up with some sort of document that basically goes
[15:15] <AndyEsser> 1) There is not guarantee we will fly when we say we will
[15:15] <AndyEsser> 2) There is no guarantee thtat the payload will be recovered
[15:16] <AndyEsser> 3) There is no guarantee the payload won't be damaged
[15:16] <craag> sticking to launch timing is actually one of the crucial bits, and one of the ones you can control.
[15:16] <AndyEsser> Well I was more thinking about weather on the day
[15:16] <craag> planning some ISH is fine, but not on a noon launch in the winter
[15:16] <craag> ah yes ofc
[15:17] <AndyEsser> (hence why I'll probably get in the habbit of booking 2 NOTAMs)
[15:17] <AndyEsser> habit*
[15:17] <AndyEsser> goddamn terrible typing today
[15:17] <AndyEsser> HABit
[15:18] <craag> if you let dave know asap when you decide not to launch then he doesn't need to do the final paperwork for the notam, which keeps him happy
[15:18] <AndyEsser> ie if I book 2 saturdays
[15:19] <AndyEsser> and fly on the first
[15:19] <eroomde> The Habbit: There and not back again
[15:19] <AndyEsser> just drop him an email straight away to cancel the 2nd one and he'll be happy?
[15:19] <AndyEsser> eroomde: heheh
[15:19] <craag> yep, or realise on the Thursday that sat will dump you in the sea
[15:19] <AndyEsser> cool
[15:40] <daveake> yeah aiui there's 2 lumps of work he does - 1 is a check on the location, and 2 is the notam/permission
[15:40] <daveake> for the regular sites he only does #2
[15:40] <daveake> and that's the last working day before the flight, normally
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[15:48] <AndyEsser> ah ok
[15:48] <AndyEsser> so just dropping a follow up email to say "Launched ok, no need for backup, please cancel NOTAM for xyz"
[15:59] <daveake> yes
[15:59] <daveake> always good to let him know
[16:00] <daveake> depending on when the backup date is relative to the primary date, he may just issue a notam for the first and then wait to hear from you re the second
[16:00] <AndyEsser> Ok :)
[16:00] <daveake> So if it's "monday and friday", that's what will happen; if it's "saturday and sunday" then he'll issue a 2-day notam instead
[16:01] <AndyEsser> trying to do some planning now, had planned for an end of April launch - but I'm supposed to be in Boston and then it's the Army vs Navy Rugby match the weekend after... so... either I bring it forward, or push it back
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[16:45] <DL7AD> good evening :)
[17:02] <JerJer> heh - its afternoon on this side of the big pond
[17:03] <JerJer> i'm in Michigan
[17:03] <nick_> Hopefully not Flint?
[17:04] <JerJer> I grew up in Flint& Do not live there any more, that's for sure
[17:06] <fsphil> ahoy
[17:13] <JerJer> i'm expecting my first batch of RFM69HW's to arrive via the slow boat from China soon& maybe by spring I can start testing
[17:15] <fsphil> there was someone on ebay selling them from texas a while back
[17:16] <daveake> Anarduino ?
[17:16] <fsphil> that sounds familiar
[17:16] <daveake> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RFM69CW-HopeRF-433Mhz-Wireless-Transceiver-with-RFM12B-compatible-Footprint-/181925519933
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[17:18] <JerJer> i grabbed a lot of 10 of them for a pretty good price - not in any hurry :)
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[18:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7GPS-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7GPS-11
[18:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7GPS-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7GPS-12
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[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> A0217/16 - ASCENT OF RADIOSONDE AT OSNABRUECK, PSN PSN 521705N 0080132E,
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> (11NM WNW OSNABRUECK VOR OSN). LENGTH 10M, COLOUR ORANGE GREEN, RATE
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> OF ASCENT 1000 FT/MIN. GND - UNL, 09 12 0900-1300, 09 FEB 09:00 2016 UNTIL 12
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> FEB 13:00 2016. CREATED: 20 JAN 13:33 2016
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> looks like our NOTAM
[19:26] <mattbrejza> you ready?
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> A0217/16 - ASCENT OF RADIOSONDE AT OSNABRUECK, PSN PSN 521705N 0080132E,
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> (11NM WNW OSNABRUECK VOR OSN). LENGTH 10M, COLOUR ORANGE GREEN, RATE
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> OF ASCENT 1000 FT/MIN. GND - UNL, 09 12 0900-1300, 09 FEB 09:00 2016 UNTIL 12
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> FEB 13:00 2016. CREATED: 20 JAN 13:33 2016
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:26] <mattbrejza> :)
[19:28] <garymortimer> In the words of Dixon of Doc green, evening all
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[19:30] <SM0ULC-Reb> any signs of UBSEDS13?
[19:30] <garymortimer> I have a hunch Norway will check in very soon for UBSEDS unless I have missed something today
[19:30] <R34lB0rg> you got a permit for germany? congratulations!
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> was "easier" than thought
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> it really depends on the state you are in now
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> lower saxony wants some general info and that is it
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> bavaria wants you to get a launch permit from your city too
[19:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7GPS-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7GPS-12
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[20:16] <richardeoin> hysplit for USBEDS13 http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/trajplot_116856.pdf
[20:16] <richardeoin> the winds are very slow
[20:16] <SM0ULC-Reb> oh
[20:17] <fsphil> there's quite a storm blowing just south of it
[20:17] <richardeoin> so it'll probably be this time tomorrow before it would be in range of Norway
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[20:18] <richardeoin> yes I think if it had been 500km further south it would have moved very quickly fsphil
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[20:29] <Laurenceb_> tomorrow lunchtime hopefully
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> coast of Norway has very good APRS
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[20:33] <Laurenceb_> PS-58 is alive on WSPR
[20:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-58 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-58
[20:34] <Laurenceb_> and the tracker :D, 32 days in the air
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[20:36] <Laurenceb_> thats number 2 spot according to arhab records
[20:38] <fsphil> back in the southern hemisphere
[20:39] <fsphil> it got quite far north
[20:39] <fsphil> 27.7 degrees
[20:42] <craag> UBSEDS makes 4th ?
[20:42] <criticalmass> Evening all
[20:43] <fsphil> evenin'
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[20:59] <AlvaroPelon> Hello, I want to receive NTX2 with the code in the UKHAS, with a FM receiver in the same frequency, is it possible?
[21:00] <AlvaroPelon> Or I will need a SSB receiver?
[21:01] <Upu> you will need an SSB reciever
[21:03] <AlvaroPelon> How can I use the NTX2 for FM receiving?
[21:04] <fsphil> the NTX2 is a transmitter
[21:05] <AlvaroPelon> trasnmitting**
[21:05] <garymortimer_> An SDR radio dongle is a cheap way to receive
[21:05] <garymortimer_> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/
[21:06] <AlvaroPelon> Yes, but I want to use my amateur radio for receiving, beacuse is more sensitive
[21:06] <Upu> does it do SSB ?
[21:06] <AlvaroPelon> No
[21:06] <AlvaroPelon> FM only
[21:06] <Upu> well you can't use it then :)
[21:06] <garymortimer_> Well then it wont work!
[21:06] <Upu> not for the USB transmission the code is doing
[21:06] <fsphil> FM is not an efficient use of the NTX2's limited power
[21:06] <Upu> you can transmit FM from the NTX2 but as fsphil points out the power is really low
[21:06] <fsphil> you won't get very much range with it
[21:07] <AlvaroPelon> Okey so SSB
[21:07] <fsphil> an sdr dongle with a decent antenna will work better
[21:07] <AlvaroPelon> Its better
[21:08] <AlvaroPelon> Is LSB the same as SSB
[21:08] <fsphil> it's one form of SSB
[21:08] <fsphil> the other being USB
[21:08] <Vaizki> SSB is more efficient than FM or AM
[21:09] <AlvaroPelon> Sorry, my transmitter isn´t NTX2, is HX1 ( 300 mw)
[21:09] <fsphil> if your local rules allow you to use amateur radio from the air, you might be able to fly with APRS with more power than an NTX2
[21:09] <AlvaroPelon> Feom radiometrix, bought in HAB supplies
[21:09] <AlvaroPelon> from*
[21:09] <Vaizki> hx1 is good for aprs which is fm
[21:09] <AlvaroPelon> Im in Spain and I have an amateur radio license
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[21:10] <mfa298> you need to check what the local rules say, a lot of people here have Amateur Radio licenses, but in the UK the license explicity says it cannot be used airborne.
[21:10] <Upu> you need to make it do APRS
[21:11] <fsphil> what type of flight computer do you intend to use?
[21:12] <fsphil> or more simply, what is the HX1 going to be connected to :)
[21:12] <AlvaroPelon> Atmega328
[21:12] <AlvaroPelon> Arduino
[21:13] <fsphil> right. that can work, the APRS signal can be generated with the PWM hardware on the atmega
[21:13] <Upu> https://github.com/HABduino/HABduino/blob/master/Hardware/HABduino41.pdf
[21:13] <Upu> there is a schematic there
[21:13] <Upu> and you can use daveake's flextrack to make it work
[21:13] <AlvaroPelon> Okey thank you :)
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[21:13] <Upu> https://github.com/daveake/FlexTrack
[21:14] <Upu> hey Lunar
[21:14] <criticalmass> My little SDR is great fun. I'm still learning but it's a very cost effective way of getting going.
[21:14] <criticalmass> I just haven't worked out what a decent antenna is yet :-)
[21:15] <SM0ULC-Reb> criticalmass: rtl-dongle?
[21:15] <fsphil> depends what you want / can fit on your roof :)
[21:15] <Upu> that schematic has fail labling the HX1 is the one in the middle
[21:16] <AlvaroPelon> Is the same connection ?
[21:16] <criticalmass> yes SM0ULC-Reb, I picked one up from rtl-sdr.com
[21:16] <AlvaroPelon> NTX2 and HX1
[21:17] <Upu> NTX2B is the thing at the top left with the resistor network attached to it
[21:17] <AlvaroPelon> Can I use any GPS with serial out?
[21:18] <mfa298> criticalmass: they're a great way to get playing and see what radio stuff is out there.
[21:18] <Upu> yeah but some don't work above a certain altitude
[21:18] <mfa298> and I'm not sure if you can have too many rtl-sdr sticks (seeing as theyre so cheap)
[21:20] <fsphil> I have four. that's too many
[21:21] <criticalmass> mfa298: I'm an avionic engineer by trade, so I already understand some of the theory. Learning how to receive different signal types though is very different.
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[21:22] <criticalmass> And a pain in the arse when you're using the crappy antenna that comes with the dongle :-)
[21:22] <AlvaroPelon> I will launch my ballon under 15.000 meters so the alltitude isn´t a problem
[21:23] <mfa298> fsphil: Im curently waiting for #6 in the post. although I did give one of the others away
[21:24] <mfa298> I do have a selection of tuners though, E4000, R820T and waitign on a R820T2
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[21:25] <SM0ULC-Reb> criticalmass: a little GP-antenna for 430 mhz is a nice upgrade for antenna :)
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[21:28] <criticalmass> SM0ULC-Reb: Cheers, I will investigate.
[21:28] <mfa298> GP antenna gives something you can make fairly easily and will work (especially if you've got a good location)
[21:28] <criticalmass> Ultimately I'm going to need a magmount or similar for the chase car.
[21:29] <mfa298> for magmount a fair number of people have used the WSM-270 (from memory)
[21:29] <SM0ULC-Reb> criticalmass: are good ones for 70cm/2m
[21:29] <criticalmass> mfa298: I'm based in Surrey. Not sure if that's a good location on not :-)
[21:30] <mfa298> for magmount you could try http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/21033-watson-wsm-270-mini-mag-antenna.html
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[21:30] <mfa298> I've not actually tried driving with it on the car though (probably ought to sometime)
[21:31] <mfa298> criticalmass: location is as much about how much sky the antenna can see
[21:31] <criticalmass> 😃
[21:31] <criticalmass> That would make sense.
[21:31] <gonzo_nb> and remembering the radiation pattern of the antenna, that will also limit how much it can see
[21:32] <mfa298> I just use a basic GP antenna on a bit of wood out the window for tracking. http://imgur.com/CY373G4
[21:33] <gonzo_nb> lower gain antann on a chase car is prob best. As if you are chasing, you will often be close, so high-ish signals at high angles
[21:33] <mfa298> I see lots of sky to the west as I'm on the 6th floor, not so good for stuff the other side of the block of flats (lots of concrete between the antenna and sky)
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[21:38] <gonzo_nb> cor general monitoring at a distance, a colinear, be it a magmount ot mounted on the house, is besty. But anything that you can get out and listening is good
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[21:45] <gonzo_nb> mfa298, you could do with anothr station on the other side of the flats
[21:46] <gonzo_nb> I saw an amsat station that the guy had a row of huge fir trees, so he had two sets of antennas wither side of them. And as the sat tracked overhead, it would switch over the the antennas on the other side of the trees
[21:46] <gonzo_nb> a bit overkill, but he could afford it
[21:49] <mfa298> probably cheaper than buyign a new house :D
[21:50] <Vaizki> which reminds me I have an auto-tracking satellite antenna assembly to repurpose :)
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[21:53] <lz1dev> i've added a setting to enable telemetry interpolation
[21:53] <lz1dev> should be useful for PS* flights
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[21:55] <gonzo_nb> an hours use of a chainsaw is better in my book
[21:55] <gonzo_nb> and you get lots of fire wood
[21:57] <criticalmass> mfa298: It's as easy as that :-)
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[21:59] <gonzo_nb> Vaizki, I used my amsat arrays for tracking often. Only a few feet off the ground, but the gain helped with distant habs, not so much antennagain, but by reducing the local noise/interference
[22:00] <gonzo_nb> but all antennas are down a the mo. should be back up again got the hab season though
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[22:01] <SpaceLeaks> https://www.facebook.com/Space-Leaks-156805794698704
[22:02] <Upu> we are aware
[22:03] <Vaizki> gonzo_nb: http://media.yatco.com/images/vessels2/108/108321/large_207753.jpg
[22:03] <Vaizki> it's like one of those on top there...
[22:03] <Vaizki> inmarsat mini-m voice/modem service antenna
[22:04] <criticalmass> I'm building an Arduino based tracker. It's not my design, I've borrowed it. What should I use as the antenna from the NTX2B? Do people generally just solder on a piece of wire of the correct length to the board?
[22:04] <lz1dev> why would you make that fb page
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[22:06] <Vaizki> criticalmass: use a length of coax to bring the antenna "outside the box"
[22:06] <Vaizki> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna
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[22:08] <gonzo_nb> it depends what the box is. If it's rf tranparent, like polystyrene, then you could just do as you suggest
[22:09] <criticalmass> Vaizki: Thank you. I really should bookmark all these pages :-)
[22:09] <gonzo_nb> I do that on my pico paloads, as it it just a ntx2 taped to the side of a battery holder
[22:09] <criticalmass> Yeah, it 's polystyrene.
[22:10] <criticalmass> I think I'll bodge a length of coax, like Vaizki suggested.
[22:10] <Vaizki> the ground plane (the X from the coax braid) will help though
[22:10] <gonzo_nb> I use some hook up wire (16/0.2 or even a bit of cat5 strand) soldered to the pcb. And the ground plane wires are just the same soldered to the tin plate case of the ntx2
[22:10] <criticalmass> Just in case I decide to lead line my payload.
[22:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Leadlining recomended if your have a criticalmass of course ... ;-)
[22:11] <gonzo_nb> take care soldering polythene coax like rg174, as it is easy to melt the dielectric and short the cable
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[22:12] <gonzo_nb> an rf transparent box is best. No tx ant issues, or gps rx issues
[22:12] <criticalmass> This is what my board looks like (or will, when I receive it) : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Eul0qxeXUXaEZRMkRUa1VUQWM
[22:13] <gonzo_nb> if you can find some ptfe coax (expensive, but if you have some in the junk box) that is great for soldering
[22:13] <criticalmass> It makes me feel like it's been designed for a coax connector to be board mounted.
[22:14] <Vaizki> can't say much based on that image
[22:15] <gonzo_nb> lookes like it. But soldering coax is easy enough, but beware of the heat on the dielectric
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[22:33] <criticalmass> Yeah, sorry. Could have done better with the images.
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