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[03:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03heidico2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=heidico2_chase
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[04:29] <Oddstr13> < fsphil> and probably dump a lot of it
[04:29] <Oddstr13> fsphil: do tell if you wana get rid of a box with random components or something, hehe
[04:30] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: nice, I need to seriosly start building mine
[04:30] <Oddstr13> got a corner in the central heating building set aside for it
[04:33] <Oddstr13> I'll probably want some kind of power conditioning if I am to do radio stuff there tho
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[04:36] <kk4yel> one comment on the http://picospace.net/tracker/new site, received is spelled wrong...
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[06:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> Got 5 spots from ps-58 , high sfi and low K & A index, textbook exmples of good propogation, distance 7400km
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[07:28] <fsphil> Oddstr13: I probably will be
[07:31] <Oddstr13> poke me with a picture & price for shipping to norway if you get that far, and can be bothered :)
[07:32] <Oddstr13> kinda missed the sparkfun dumpsterdive.. again :P
[07:34] <fsphil> hah
[07:34] <fsphil> will do
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[07:35] <fsphil> I know the drawers are full of stuff that I'll probably never use
[07:35] <fsphil> but are not worth ebay'ing
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[07:40] <Oddstr13> assorted components and such would be nice
[07:44] <Oddstr13> anyways, better get some sleep, been up all night :P
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[08:01] <fsphil> yes. sleep is good
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[09:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC after 0314 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC
[09:57] Action: daveake checks calendar
[09:57] <daveake> nope
[09:57] <daveake> BARC appears to be flying, and coming down
[09:59] <Vaizki> any opinion on Keithley 2000 / 2015 DMM vs hp/ag 34401A?
[10:00] <gonzo_> quite an interesting discontinuity in the track
[10:00] <daveake> I just selected the last hour
[10:01] <gonzo_> (that was a BARC reference, not to do with DMMs!)
[10:01] <Vaizki> parser log is spamming at a rate that indicates simulation or testing
[10:02] <Vaizki> lots of exceptions and parse errors too
[10:02] <gonzo_> ah, do they fly the same callsign repeatedly?
[10:02] <daveake> yes they do
[10:02] <daveake> Well there are no images, so probably they've left it at 300 baud
[10:03] <daveake> so to me this looks like a real flight
[10:04] <Vaizki> so how are updates coming in every 3 second
[10:05] <Vaizki> doesn't look like 300 baud..?
[10:06] <daveake> 300 baud will be about 2 per second
[10:06] <daveake> sorry
[10:06] <daveake> 1 per 2 seconds
[10:07] <Vaizki> ah right so it is.. my basic math skills are failing
[10:07] <daveake> 60 bytes is 2.2. Not sure how long the sentences are
[10:07] <daveake> I ought to know I guess as it's a PITS :/
[10:07] <Vaizki> hehe
[10:09] <Vaizki> lots of CRC failures though
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[10:12] <AndyEsser> daveake: you mean you don't have an NSA style data collector in your PITS so you know exactly what's happening?!
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[10:13] <daveake> Only the bit that tells me when users put the board on upside down
[10:13] <AndyEsser> hehe
[10:13] <AndyEsser> does that happen a lot?
[10:14] <daveake> one put it on with the pits sticking out sideways, upside down
[10:14] <daveake> another couldn't figure out how to put in on
[10:14] <daveake> despite ... a) there's a photo on the main page, b) there's a support page with a step-by-step, and c) it's f-ing obvious
[10:15] <daveake> oh, and d), the board says "this way up" on one side and "this is not the right way up" on the other
[10:15] <AndyEsser> hehe
[10:15] <AndyEsser> really? nice
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[10:18] <daveake> The fact that it's a stackable connector does give these people more inventive opportunities to get it wrong
[10:19] <Vaizki> after working on my new lab corner yesterday I actually took the tracker protototype from a drawer and put it in sight so I'll actually get back to it some day..
[10:19] <Vaizki> really only need to order boards and get on with it to be honest.. :P
[10:20] <fsphil> but there are a 100 other things you can be doing too :)
[10:21] <Vaizki> well the desk is clean, the tracker is the only thing there! :)
[10:21] <Vaizki> but now that you mention it I do have a class A hifi amp that just died on me and needs a look...
[10:22] <fsphil> average 34401A price is about £400 atm
[10:22] <fsphil> is that typical?
[10:23] <eroomde> 2nd hand? maybe a bit less
[10:23] <eroomde> if that's the new price then awesome
[10:23] <eroomde> got for it
[10:24] <fsphil> HP logo. very second hand
[10:24] <eroomde> it's specs are basically identical to the 34461a but just has no lcd and onboard logging/trends/histograms. but nothing a python script and serial port can't fix
[10:24] <eroomde> if ebaying i reckon you might snap one up a bit cheaper
[10:25] <fsphil> yeah I don't mind it being a bit older. plus the display will match the 6632b
[10:25] <fsphil> I'll keep an eye out
[10:25] <Vaizki> eroomde, I can get a Keithley 2015 THD for £270 shipped, any experience with the 2000 or 2015?
[10:25] <eroomde> hmm actually £400 does seem to be about the going rate
[10:25] <Vaizki> speaking of hifi THD measurement can't hurt
[10:25] <fsphil> £400 and up it seems
[10:25] <eroomde> i have no direct experience with them but i have heard really good things about the 2015 thd
[10:26] <eroomde> the thd feature is especially nice if you're doing audio work
[10:26] <eroomde> i don't think, iirc, the thd measurement goes up to audiophile lunacy quality, but it's ideal for things like making and testing radios
[10:27] <eroomde> yeah looks like £400 is about right
[10:27] <eroomde> get them with stand and rubber ears
[10:27] <Vaizki> yea.. I guess under 300 quid is reasonable for the 2015 THD then
[10:27] <eroomde> it helps for stacking
[10:27] <fsphil> £445 for the one with the stand
[10:27] <eroomde> and carrying
[10:27] <fsphil> and that's an auction
[10:28] <fsphil> £800 new :)
[10:28] <eroomde> well, your shout. I find the stand useful
[10:28] <fsphil> so 400 ain't too bad
[10:28] <eroomde> £800 new is batty
[10:28] <eroomde> farnell sell the 34461 new for less
[10:29] <eroomde> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Agilent-Plastic-Grey-Handle-33120A-34401A-1-Year-Warranty-/251982103554?hash=item3aab4dc402:g:-kkAAOSweW5Vbuxu
[10:29] <eroomde> :)
[10:30] <gonzo_> rubber ears, is that an audiophile thing?
[10:30] <fsphil> yeah the 34461A is just slightly over 800 on farnell (I have to pay vat sadly :)
[10:30] <fsphil> I'll keep an eye on ebay for a while, see what comes up
[10:30] <eroomde> oh yeah vat lol
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[10:33] <fsphil> not sure I could talk work into buying one...
[10:34] <eroomde> fsphil: just pinged our mutual friend
[10:34] <eroomde> he might have something
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[10:36] <fsphil> oh
[10:38] <eroomde> usually his stuff is ebay prices but calibrated and in warranty
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[10:38] <fsphil> that psu I got of him has been perfect so far
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[10:41] <eroomde> they're great PSUs
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> my 6632B is doing the 'uncal' thing and is for some reason ~80mV off.
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> Which is annoying
[10:42] <eroomde> got sense connected?
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> err - 'err' I mean
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> yes
[10:43] <eroomde> maybe just try running the cal routine i guess
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> Done that.
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> I wish there were actual proper docs.
[10:43] <eroomde> there are iirc
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[10:43] <SpeedEvil> Yes, but I'm 99% sure the fault is in the uncovered bit
[10:43] <eroomde> i have the service manual here
[10:43] <eroomde> you want?
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> If it's the one that doesn't cover the digital part, I think I have that.
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> If you have it to hand, would be great.
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> might not be the same
[10:44] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9eidvdkm2btvbb/agilent_6632b_service_manual.pdf?dl=0
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> Thanks
[10:45] <eroomde> i don't believe it covers the digital stuff
[10:46] <eroomde> but if it is uncal despite having run a cal i would still suspect an analog problem
[10:46] <eroomde> i'd dive in with a meter and check all the test points are what they should be
[10:47] <fsphil> do they use a battery to store the cal settings?
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> IIRC it was looking a bit like a dead DAC bit.
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> But I need to re-look at things, it's been a while.
[10:49] <eroomde> no fsphil, i don;t think so
[10:49] <eroomde> non-volatile memory iirc
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[12:14] <Vaizki> damn that keithley 2015 was gone
[12:15] <Vaizki> oh well, another one will pop up
[12:21] <Laurenceb_> http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/2015_10_20_hyperloop_competition_rules.pdf
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> Appendix l: 'lol'
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[12:57] <garymortimer> HI all, this numnut has forgotten the IRC for flight approvals
[12:58] <adamgreig> #habhub
[12:58] <garymortimer> thanks
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CLIFTON1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CLIFTON1
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hr_v_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hr_v_chase
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[14:06] <kk4yel_> anyone have a version of wsjt-x dev 1.6 modified for the balloon tracking compiled for Mac OSX? I am trying to find info on how to compile it myself for Mac, but so far no luck.
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[14:29] <fsphil> I've found it a tricky enough program to compile on linux
[14:31] <fsphil> how far have you gotten?
[14:32] <craag> he's gone
[14:32] <fsphil> kk4yel is here
[14:32] <Vaizki> we couldn't save him
[14:32] <Vaizki> so sorry
[14:33] <fsphil> or my tab completion is lagging :)
[14:33] <Vaizki> and like a phoenix kk4yel rises!
[14:33] <craag> ah yes, kk4yel_ asked and left
[14:33] <fsphil> the _ means evil twin iirc
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> https://larvalsubjects.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/mouse-in-space.jpg
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[14:38] <fsphil> major tom, and jerry
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[14:57] <IUBAVM> UPU - I am running to a class now, but if you have any time later today please let me know and we can connect to try to figure out this stuff.
[14:57] <UpuWork> just ping me
[15:17] <eroomde> PING UPU
[15:20] <AndyEsser> Unable to resolve host: UPU
[15:21] <fsphil> he's already on ipv8
[15:31] <Ian_> :)
[15:32] <Ian_> Was Sam Harrison the guy associated with the recent CRAAG4 flight?
[15:33] <mattbrejza> yes
[15:33] <Ian_> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-harrison-a3a4085b
[15:33] <Ian_> Is this guy real or multiplexed?
[15:34] <fsphil> is he human or is he dancer?
[15:34] <Ian_> Creative writer by profession I'll be bound.
[15:35] <eroomde> i'm sure he's a nice enough guy but i observe his picture might fall foul of the first bold category here http://jesuschristsiliconvalley.tumblr.com/post/46537875392/what-your-profile-picture-says-about-you-hint
[15:36] <jonsowman> hah
[15:37] Action: AndyEsser goes and checks his profile pics
[15:38] <AndyEsser> Mine is currently a Drawing...
[15:38] <AndyEsser> whoops
[15:38] <AndyEsser> doesn't like that either
[15:38] <fsphil> mine is either a cartoon fly, or a ghost from pacman
[15:39] <Ian_> Those bugs did well to escape with their lives . . .
[15:39] <craag> lol
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[15:40] <ipswich> we saw barc on the habhub can anyone tell us about it?
[15:41] <Ian_> Sorry Phil, I'm just an avid between the lines reader :) Sounds like someone more than prepared to walk on the faces of others to achieve his goals, unfortunately. Destined to succeed in life, naturally.
[15:42] <eroomde> it's worse than a bite
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[15:42] <UpuWork> Reply from UPU: bytes=1 time=100000ms TTL=2000
[15:43] <eroomde> replies from upu are often a jiffy bag with nice electronic components
[15:43] <eroomde> we like getting replies from upu
[15:43] <UpuWork> indeed
[15:43] <AndyEsser> ^
[15:43] <UpuWork> sorry had my head down setting up a new online shop
[15:43] <UpuWork> EV Certificates are fun
[15:43] <fsphil> I've kept all the black boxes. I need to sell them back to UpuWork
[15:43] <AndyEsser> UpuWork: and a waste of money
[15:44] <UpuWork> I know but I've had people moaning I don't encrypt anything and the EV's are only £60 a year
[15:44] <UpuWork> just a pita the set up
[15:44] <AndyEsser> really?
[15:44] <AndyEsser> no no - you need an SSL
[15:45] <UpuWork> as you have to ring Ned Flanders (GoDaddy Support) to get them sorted
[15:45] <AndyEsser> I've moaned at you about it
[15:45] <fsphil> avoid godaddy
[15:45] <UpuWork> in that case I am responding to your requests
[15:45] <AndyEsser> but EV is typically a boatload of cash
[15:45] <UpuWork> and implementing your suggestions :)
[15:45] <Vaizki> you dont need EV to encrypt
[15:45] <UpuWork> We have a reseller account
[15:45] <ipswich> BARC?
[15:45] <UpuWork> I know Vaizki :)
[15:45] <UpuWork> yeah BARC is in the air
[15:45] <UpuWork> somewhere
[15:45] <AndyEsser> Whoof whoof
[15:45] <fsphil> who let the HABs out
[15:46] <UpuWork> but EV makes the bar go green and thats worth at least £50's worth of your confidence a year
[15:46] <fsphil> so far nobody has asked us for that
[15:46] <Vaizki> Oh so this is a confidence scheme
[15:46] <fsphil> money making scheme (for the ssl dealers)
[15:46] <UpuWork> I'm changing many things
[15:47] <UpuWork> http://www.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=50
[15:47] <UpuWork> mock up
[15:47] <ipswich> do you know who is behind BARC and their contact? we are thinking of launching a balloon
[15:47] <Vaizki> AndyEsser, I also got around to lab corner v2 yesterday .. http://imgur.com/a/MDaCb
[15:47] <UpuWork> I do ipswich
[15:47] <UpuWork> You want to launch with them ?>
[15:48] <fsphil> was gonna say avatech, but someone already has that
[15:48] <Vaizki> Lab full of ugly but functional to be precise :)
[15:48] <ipswich> no we just want some help with our project
[15:48] <UpuWork> ask on here
[15:48] <Vaizki> ask us
[15:48] <UpuWork> BARC do occasionally come on here
[15:48] <UpuWork> are you in ipswich ?
[15:48] <ipswich> yes
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[15:49] <Ian_> Who provided support for BARC customers?
[15:49] <UpuWork> nice and close to Cambridge
[15:49] <UpuWork> they do now Ian :)
[15:49] <Ian_> s/provided/provides
[15:49] <ipswich> we've read dave akeman's work and we need some help with what to buy
[15:49] <Ian_> :)
[15:50] <ipswich> we're wondering what type of reciever to use
[15:50] <Ian_> ipswich you have arrived at your destination
[15:50] <ipswich> upuwork, why is cambridge important
[15:51] <UpuWork> Lots of launches from that area
[15:51] <UpuWork> and Dave Akerman is daveake
[15:51] <ipswich> i know
[15:51] <ipswich> thx
[15:52] <ipswich> do things get blown out to the north sea
[15:52] <UpuWork> yes
[15:52] <UpuWork> you'll need to launch inland
[15:52] <AndyEsser> UpuWork: Any SSL cert beyond a certain point will make the bar green, and give you padlock - all the EV does it puts the name of the company there as well
[15:52] <eroomde> we have the predictor to help us avoid sea landings
[15:52] <eroomde> sometimes the winds take it west, but rarely
[15:52] <UpuWork> yep AndyEsser
[15:52] <fsphil> mostly in the summer
[15:53] <AndyEsser> UpuWork: but if it's only £50 great
[15:53] <AndyEsser> usually I've seen EV be at least £200 increase
[15:53] <UpuWork> oh I've seen them for £2000+
[15:53] <ipswich> who can we talk to about the whole thing?
[15:53] <UpuWork> us
[15:53] <UpuWork> chat away :)
[15:53] <eroomde> this channel
[15:53] <ipswich> k thx
[15:54] <ipswich> so is the pi in the sky board any good?
[15:54] <Vaizki> spill the beans on the plan so far
[15:54] <UpuWork> Yeah its amazing and the person who designed it is a god amonsgt men
[15:54] <UpuWork> however I'm biased so ask the rest about it
[15:54] <ipswich> we have a 250 pound budget
[15:55] <Vaizki> for what bits?
[15:55] <AndyEsser> Does that include the helium, parachute and balloon?
[15:55] <ipswich> everything but they may give us some more money
[15:55] <UpuWork> £250 probably isn't enough
[15:55] <ipswich> how much should we ask for
[15:56] <UpuWork> Well
[15:56] <UpuWork> ignoring the tracker
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> What sort of timescale are you thinking of you can trade time for money to some extent
[15:56] <UpuWork> a 1000g balloon will cost ~£50
[15:57] <UpuWork> Parachute ~£25
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[15:57] <UpuWork> Helium to fill it god knows ~ £ 150 ?
[15:57] <fsphil> about that yeah
[15:57] <UpuWork> Tank of fuel for the chase car : £40 ?
[15:57] <mattbrejza> we've done launches for £350 for so. £70 He + £50 balloon. total mass < 300g
[15:58] <mattbrejza> numbers off top of head, but you get the idea
[15:58] <mattbrejza> stills camera £20 from ebay 2nd hand,
[15:58] <UpuWork> I would be asking for £600
[15:58] <UpuWork> as you need a radio, antenna(s)
[15:58] <UpuWork> camera ?
[15:58] <ipswich> we wanted to use the pi camera as the main media capturing device
[15:58] <UpuWork> my suggestion is as follows
[15:59] <UpuWork> don't ask for anything at the moment
[15:59] <UpuWork> sit down and plan it all out
[15:59] <UpuWork> afk
[15:59] <mattbrejza> other camera options: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160874297245
[15:59] <ipswich> thx mattbrejza
[16:00] <mattbrejza> borrowing radios and stuff helps too
[16:00] <mattbrejza> depends what you want, depends on how mich work you want to put in (self made trackers are cheaper than bought ones)
[16:02] <ipswich> is LoRa a good board for the tracker
[16:02] <ipswich> the one that attaches to the pi
[16:02] <mattbrejza> it works well
[16:03] <ipswich> thanks for the information gtg get my bus
[16:04] <ipswich> thank you it was very useful i will hopefully be back sometime later
[16:04] <mattbrejza> :)
[16:07] <craag> btw Ian_ last weekend was the practice flight for the bugs, pending some approvals, they'll be flying again next month :)
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[16:10] <AndyEsser> craag: do you have little capes to put on them?
[16:12] <mattbrejza> hopefully the extra time will reduce the breadbaord count to 0
[16:13] <craag> btw https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10207319103848689.1073741836.1618230054&type=1&l=a91df60a8c
[16:13] <craag> CRAAG4 Photos ^^
[16:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03URKHAB after 037 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=URKHAB
[16:14] <AndyEsser> craag: what's the little device int he first photo, with the antenna in the clear plastic box?
[16:15] <craag> It's a Lora RX with screen and bluetooth upload, mattbrejza's little baby.
[16:15] <AndyEsser> cool
[16:15] <craag> you can just about see the telem coming up on the phone next to it
[16:15] <craag> which is then uploaded to habhub
[16:15] <craag> v nice system
[16:16] <AndyEsser> nice
[16:16] <mattbrejza> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K6qgDmPRW-YHSR0qc3dHZuHpbfrytzN6_Q/view?usp=sharing
[16:17] <craag> oh also does uplink too
[16:17] <craag> the 'uplink count' in the telem was the amount of times that the balloon had heard it reply
[16:17] <craag> should have been once every 4 sentences or so
[16:19] <craag> http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=11&f=17ba/CRAAG4&q=a3e799a4301470630f29edc0d22c17ba
[16:20] <craag> Looks like it was quite reliable even at range and after burst
[16:20] <mattbrejza> click somewhere on the path though, the latest telemetry is just after reset
[16:20] <craag> yeah that's obvious in the telem graph
[16:20] <mattbrejza> oh right, forgot about that
[16:21] <craag> annoyingly my phone OOM-killed the bluetooth in the background, so there weren't uploads for the first portion of the flight
[16:22] <mattbrejza> :(
[16:24] <craag> need a habbing kindle fire or something
[16:24] <craag> ideally with audio in for rtty too
[16:24] <craag> Could you run them concurrently mattbrejza ?
[16:24] <mattbrejza> yea i think that works
[16:26] <craag> :)
[16:27] <fsphil> bluetooth is a great idea done really badly
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[16:38] <Ian_> craag, Many thanks on the heads up. Have the team considered 5 min epoxy or a screw lid with flow in seal?
[16:38] <craag> That would require pre-thought Ian_
[16:39] <Ian_> Sam too busy for that Lol
[16:39] <Ian_> eroomde, your appreciation (a few days ago) noted.
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[17:01] <Ian_> craag, is the last picture your yagi in the grass and was it straight at the beginning of the chase? Looks to be a bit stressed
[17:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3GDP-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3GDP-1
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[17:28] <Miek> buzzwordyness aside, this might be of interest: http://thethingsnetwork.org/
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[18:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YFFZ5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YFFZ5
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[18:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-58 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-58
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[18:55] <kk4yel> anyone have a wsjt-x dev 1.6 or 1.5 compiled for Mac OSX?
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[18:57] <SM0ULC-Reb> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wsjt/files/wsjtx-1.6.0/
[18:57] <SM0ULC-Reb> Darwin ok?
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[18:58] <kk4yel> Does that have the special modifications for balloon telemetry tracking
[18:58] <SM0ULC-Reb> right... no..
[18:58] <SM0ULC-Reb> at least i don't think so..
[18:59] <kk4yel> @SM0ULC-Reb, yeah that is the problem. They have the win version compiled on the picospace site, but no native options for the Mac
[19:00] <SM0ULC-Reb> kk4yel: trying to do wspr/jt9 via rtl_fm the the ssb-implementation seems to have serious errors
[19:00] <Vaizki> I am a heavy mac user but when I got into this SDR stuff, it quickly became obvious I need a windows machine.. so I went and bought a small Lenovo one with a lot of CPU and a crappy GPU.. :)
[19:02] <kk4yel> yeah, it's no issue for me at the moment, but they clearly provide the source code on picospace for their modified dev versions, and I was just polling to see if someone had taken the time to compile it for Mac OSC
[19:02] <kk4yel> OSX
[19:02] <SM0ULC-Reb> kk4yel: run in virtual windows?¨
[19:02] <Vaizki> virtualization simply doesn't work for a lot of the sdr stuff
[19:03] <kk4yel> Again, the desire is for native. They give the source code. If I knew how to do it, I would compile it and share, but can't find a set of instructions for it anywhere.
[19:03] <SM0ULC-Reb> worx ok for me with sdrsharp/sdrconsole/wspr/wsjt etc. but only about 1 MS on my mac
[19:04] <Vaizki> hmmh ok.. my airspy doesn't go below 2.5MS without changing the firmaware and that was just full of drops
[19:04] <Vaizki> with a native win pc it runs 10MSps
[19:05] <SM0ULC-Reb> i can't do 5 MS on my fastest.. :/
[19:05] <prog> what if a RPi can do 20MSPS?
[19:06] <kk4yel> I know there are times when Windows is the only solution, but this is not such a case. There must be a way to compile it as Joe Taylor releases native OSX builds on the main site. This modified version should be no different. And being directed to just go run windows isn't too helpful (or cost effective)
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[19:07] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: a rpi-1 ?
[19:07] <prog> 2
[19:07] <prog> but probabli a RPi 1 as well
[19:07] <SM0ULC-Reb> right.. a bit more powah :)
[19:07] <prog> probably
[19:07] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: rtl_tcp runs <20% cpu when i run 2 MS if i remember correectly
[19:08] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: on my v1B
[19:08] <prog> SM0ULC-Reb: rtl_tcp uses <20% for *copying* data
[19:08] <prog> I'm talking about a fully fledged ADSB decoder
[19:08] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: would be nice to see that new adsb-version for airspy :)
[19:08] <prog> it's on the website
[19:09] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: yeah, well, i'm -1 on rpi2 & airspy
[19:09] <russss> I can run 3 rtl_tcps on a Pi v2, which is enough to saturate the network
[19:09] <russss> and I think that only uses ~50% CPU
[19:09] Action: prog facepalms
[19:09] <SM0ULC-Reb> russss: yeah, you have to upgrade to a gig comp :)
[19:10] <prog> russss: streaming 20MSPS without processing uses exactly "zero" cpu
[19:10] <prog> so if your app uses some cpu to copy data, then ask for refund
[19:10] <russss> hah, I will need quite a few refunds
[19:11] <russss> still needs to copy it off the USB and into userspace and out to the network, that will use some CPU.
[19:11] <Vaizki> if your printer driver is over 200MB, ask for a refund?
[19:11] <russss> but your main concern is USB saturation, which doesn't *seem* to be an issue on the Pi2
[19:12] <russss> but my rig is not "in production" yet.
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[19:14] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: as i wrote on twitter. opst a comparison with rtl and get some more customers for the spy, might even get me :)
[19:14] <prog> it was done before
[19:15] <prog> it compares well compared to Kinetic SBS3
[19:15] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: sri, must have missed out on that one
[19:15] <prog> compares/does
[19:15] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: really nice work
[19:15] <prog> comparing against rtlsdr is not fair
[19:16] <prog> this was done with an older version https://twitter.com/usa_satcom/status/675848400164655104
[19:19] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: very impressive.
[19:20] <prog> the new version is even better
[19:21] <russss> I would like to put an airspy on my roof, but I need a sufficiently powerful-but-low-power computing board to run it
[19:21] <prog> RPi 2
[19:22] <fsphil> you don't want to put an rpi on the roof
[19:22] <russss> got one of those. I've had enough scope creep though, so I'm starting with RTLSDRs
[19:22] <prog> if it's sealed, it's OK
[19:22] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: the precision with MLAT. is that easier to increase when doing pure SDR?
[19:22] <fsphil> or anywhere else where you can't replace the SD card when it inevitibly becomes corrupt
[19:22] <prog> SM0ULC-Reb yes
[19:22] <russss> fsphil: it's flat roof which is relatively reasonably accessible
[19:23] <fsphil> ah not too bad then
[19:23] <fsphil> it might also help if the filesystem was read-only
[19:23] <fsphil> I've not tried that yet
[19:23] <russss> basically I don't want to get any cable thicker than ethernet from the roof into the house because I've had enough problems with the damn thing leaking already
[19:24] <fsphil> I have an original FCD on the mountain, but just with a crappy antenna atm
[19:24] <russss> also ethernet is totally the lowest-loss feeder cable
[19:24] <prog> the timing resolution is 20MHz. Bev of COAA/PlanePlotter measured the scatter and the clock drift is less than 1 cycle vs. GPS disciplined Kinetic SBS3
[19:24] <russss> I am slightly concerned by lightning strike risk though, so at the moment I'm trying to make the whole setup quite low cost
[19:24] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: anyway, great work! i will concentrate in tryin gto fix rtl_fm to do ssb for wspr/jt9/*
[19:25] <prog> well. some day I will be motivated enough to write optimized SDR tools for embedded systems
[19:25] <russss> RPi2, USB hub, a handful of RTL-SDRs, preamp, splitter, fake-PoE splitter and a custom PSU board
[19:26] <prog> meanwhile -> use what you have in hand
[19:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> just put a lna at your antenna and take a coax to your hobbey room, irc the airspy can support lna power, from a controll in the sw (sdr#)
[19:27] <russss> I've spent £15k on this roof and I'm not drilling another hole in it. Ethernet is easier to sneak into the house.
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[19:28] <fsphil> nice thing about ethernet is you can add a webcam
[19:28] <russss> yeah, and there will be a ukhas.net gateway up there with some sensors
[19:28] <SM0ULC-Reb> prog: the rtl_fm is great since it's so generic. easy to pipe into whatever..
[19:30] <russss> webcam could be cool, my roof has a decent view of central London
[19:30] <prog> it doesn't match my own standards...
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[19:31] <prog> you get 90dB of dynamic range after decimation when using airspy. You can imagine the filtering.
[19:32] <fsphil> that and its broken SSB support :)
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[19:32] <russss> rtl_tcp is good for my use. I just need a RPi with gigabit now ;)
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[19:34] <fsphil> I'll probably put an rtlsdr on the mountain site, just as it's cheap and I expect it all to break horribly at some point
[19:34] <russss> it works well for the suws websdr
[19:34] <fsphil> the 96khz of the fcd is just not enough these days :)
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[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:26] <Ian_> Hello Lunar_Lander - did you get yesterday's message vvv
[20:26] <Ian_> [19:41] Action: DL1SGP wanted to tell Lunar_Lander that the prediction seems to be improving for them :P but he is not here
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> I actually talked to him later that night
[20:26] <Ian_> Good.
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[20:45] <Upu> ping fab4space
[20:50] <fab4space> hello Upu
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[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
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[22:13] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, https://smallhacks.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/reading-codes-from-rsa-secureid-token
[22:14] <Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/6i8C0C.jpg
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[22:17] <mfa298> heh, from that RSA SecureID page: I found great tool fswebcam
[22:17] <mfa298> I wonder who wrote that :p
[22:22] <chrisstubbs> ;)
[22:22] <chrisstubbs> Thought Phil would appreciate seeing it put to such good use
[22:25] <fsphil> hah, that's great
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[22:31] <fsphil> 2012, I bet it didn't last long :)
[22:33] <mfa298> that is quite an ingenious setup to save some effort having to read and type in stuff from an lcd.
[22:34] <mfa298> the true unix way
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[22:56] <craag> Ian_: Re: yagi - the elements are loose
[22:58] <Ian_> I just won a 13ele with wobbly elements. Wasn't sure if your's had taken a battering in the dark.
[22:59] <craag> It did - but it wasn't in great shape already
[22:59] <Ian_> For forays into the wild away from tracks, a few hi intensity LED beacons could be stuck as you went and aid navigation on the way back. Saves on telephone calls by your mates :)
[23:00] <Ian_> Hi tech bread crumbs
[23:00] <craag> navigation was fine - communication was lacking due to no phone service
[23:00] <craag> I did have my 2/70 handheld but had forgotten about it
[23:00] <craag> something to remember for the next time that'll never happen
[23:00] <craag> ;)
[23:03] <Ian_> Hopefully the team will get their consents and apply all they have learned to make the main flight a success.
[23:04] <Ian_> Loved Matt's small plexiglass/perspex rx, is it LORA?
[23:04] <craag> Yes LoRa
[23:05] <Ian_> Nice! He's come a long way already.
[23:05] <craag> When partnered with a working tracker it's fantastic
[23:06] <mattbrejza> wrong matt?
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[23:06] <Ian_> :) thats mobile telephony for you!
[23:07] <Ian_> Need to caution Ipswich about proximity of 808 #16 to GPS when he is back on.
[23:07] <mattbrejza> tbh canon cameras arnt much better
[23:08] <mattbrejza> or the pi
[23:08] <craag> or mbed arm boards
[23:09] <craag> whereas I have had no problems with 808 #16s
[23:09] <mattbrejza> mbed :/
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[23:13] <Ian_> Test, test, test I guess and plan on max separation. Just found out that I know how to cut glass, but am absolutely crap at doing it. :)
[23:13] <Ian_> Back to the horticultural glass supplier!
[23:17] <mattbrejza> i hope you know of a 24hr one
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[23:48] <Ian_> Nah, it's been in need of a couple of panes for a while. Just getting round to it . . .
[23:49] <Ian_> Tomorrow, next day, sometime .. . never!
[23:53] <Vaizki> ha.. I finally solved it why the FT-817ND power connector was so flaky.. there was a 1.5mm thick bit of plastic in the barrel jack, broken off from some bad connector used by a previous owner
[23:53] <Vaizki> took me like half an hour of digging and a bit of dremel to get it out
[23:53] <daveake> ouch
[23:54] <Vaizki> well tbh the whole connector is a piece of crap
[23:54] <LazyLeopard> Indeed.
[23:55] <Vaizki> with loads of room to spare for a proper connector, they put in a 4mm/1.7mm jack which is also so sunk into the body plate that it's almost impossible to get a decent seating of the connector
[23:55] <daveake> yeah, one of a few things they should sort and bring out a fixed version
[23:55] <daveake> batteries/charging being the main one
[23:55] <Vaizki> give me a molex or powerpole
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